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2441  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 20, 2008, 04:02:03 PM

Quote from: JohnathanStrange on April 20, 2008, 03:20:50 PM

I find it valuable to at least attempt to understand why people have certain beliefs. And I don't mean in a condescending pyschological "they cling to their old beliefs" way but in their words. I like to hear their evidence. It doesn't mean I have to accept it.

The problem is the movie is not about other peoples beliefs, the movie is not about ID. Every review I have read says the movie is very vague and misses the opportunity to discuss the belief in fact.

The movie is about people who get blacklisted for their beliefs about ID. And on this basis the movie is completely false. Take one of the people the movie is about, Richard Sternberg. He claims that he lost his job as an editor for publishing a pro-ID paper. If you read the site I linked to it shows that every claim made in the movie is false. Basically he did not lose his job for publishing the paper, he was not fired from his unpaid job, he had actually already put in his resignation 6 months before the paper was published. Every story in the movie is like this, an exaggeration/lie.

Why give people money who made a movie that is a complete lie? You won't be finding out why they believe what they do, you will just hear made up stories of more "Christians are persecuted in this country, poor us" beliefs.

And the clips of the scientists they used? The ones they lied to in order to get an interview? They went out of their way to try to explain themselves and were then taken completely out of context to make them look bad.

On the other hand, a large amount of people have lost their jobs for going against ID in the classroom. And these people get death threats for it. Even PZ Myers (a scientist in the movie) says he is getting a large increase in hate mail since the movie came out. His site is kind of amusing, especially when he talks about disproving ID arguments in some of the crazed emails he gets.

As far as Ben Stein, I always liked him too, and then I started to wonder why. Because he was amusing in a game show. After this movie I have no respect for him. At least make a movie that tries to explain your beliefs instead of one that mutates reality to try to get sympathy for something that isn't there.

I would highly encourage anyone who is considering this movie to do some research on it before seeing it. Then even if you still insist on giving these people money, you will know the truth behind it.
2442  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 19, 2008, 07:00:11 PM

Quote from: pr0ner on April 19, 2008, 06:57:05 PM

So that prime example in Bowling for Columbine of Moore editing Charlton Heston speeches together to misrepresent what Heston was truly saying isn't a "core fundamental misrepresentation"?

Sure it is, but misrepresentation of a crazed actor who is being used as a figurehead isn't the same as misrepresenting a philosopher or scientist who actually knows what he is talking about. smile
2443  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Bike Pr0n on: April 19, 2008, 06:57:27 PM

Quote from: spigot on April 19, 2008, 06:55:18 PM

Couple of my babies when I lived in the city. They will be missed. I also had a Trek 2200 that I can't find pictures for sadly. I long for my biking days, but they seem like distant memory after moving out to the burbs.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z67/rogsim/fixie1.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z67/rogsim/fixie2.jpg
http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z67/rogsim/fixie3.jpg

You cover your bikes in electrical tape??
2444  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Wii] How does it look on larger HD sets? on: April 19, 2008, 06:55:49 PM
Back when the system came out people were claiming that non-Nintendo component cables had an inferior picture. I don't know if there is any truth to that, but you might want to look into Nintendo brand cables.

As for the system, I always see them at Target.
2445  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 19, 2008, 06:23:21 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 19, 2008, 05:49:41 PM

If it comes out of Michael Moore's head, it's dismissed as bullshit by me and you aren't going to convince me if you link the library of congress.

Ignorance is bliss.
2446  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Metallica Rock Songs on: April 19, 2008, 05:07:38 PM

Quote from: joeyjazz on April 19, 2008, 04:08:04 PM

The band changed, get over it.

I think we all got over it by 1992. Metallica died and we all moved on. smile Just when someone asks for the best of Metallica, there really isn't any dispute so we have to correct the Bon Jovi fans who turned into Metallica fans after their downfall.

And I know there are people who like new and old Metallica, they just aren't real common. Well except for on online gaming forums, but they are hardly a good representation of the country. Otherwise Battlestar Gallatica would be the number one show in the country. biggrin
2447  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: I hate cable newscasters on: April 19, 2008, 03:10:58 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 19, 2008, 03:07:36 PM

Quote from: Lee on April 19, 2008, 03:05:31 PM

Jesus, those legs.

Indeed.    I think we now officially agree on two things Lee...   love of photography and chicks.  smile nod

Hey, I may very well vote for McCain too. smile
2448  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: I hate cable newscasters on: April 19, 2008, 03:05:31 PM
Jesus, those legs.
2449  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Metallica Rock Songs on: April 19, 2008, 03:03:47 PM

Quote from: Gratch on April 19, 2008, 02:58:21 PM

It signalled the beginning of Metallica's decent into complete and utter suckitude.

smile It's always amusing the reaction Metallica gets. Even back in the day they were too hard for the new evolving glam pop metal fans (which ended up killing metal) and I used to get a lot of crap for listening to them.

You don't often meet someone who likes both new and old Metallica.
2450  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: I hate cable newscasters on: April 19, 2008, 02:55:38 PM
I guess you like blondes.

Robin in the Morning on Headline News for the win! Except she is too damn perky, I want to slap her sometimes.
2451  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Metallica Rock Songs on: April 19, 2008, 02:46:53 PM

Quote from: Laner on April 19, 2008, 02:44:33 PM

Quote from: Lee on April 19, 2008, 02:40:08 PM

And Justice is much more mainstream and slow I thought.
Guh?

Maybe it's just me, I listen to some stuff that is much harder than Metallica. Even their older stuff seems pretty mellow to me anymore.
2452  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Metallica Rock Songs on: April 19, 2008, 02:40:08 PM

Quote from: ScubaV on April 19, 2008, 02:33:26 PM

Yeah, I'm looking for names of other Metallica songs.  As for being "thrash metal", that's how Wikipedia describes them.

Yeah, I just looked up Thrash Metal on Wiki myself. I guess it just means fast metal. I don't see it myself, Ride the Lightning the song is fast, the rest of the album is not. And Justice is much more mainstream and slow I thought. I think older Metallica has a rougher sound than new Metallica. They lost that edge with the Black album and became much more refined, and for me boring.
2453  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Metallica Rock Songs on: April 19, 2008, 02:28:39 PM
Since you seem to only like bad Metallica (sorry smile), I guess you will like anything after the Black album and should avoid anything before it.

Now if you are interested in finding out about the classic band, pick up Master of Puppets. Avoid Kill em All if you are don't like rawer harder music. (I am not sure if I would ever call Metallica Thrash, but Kill em All would be the only album that would be close.)
2454  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: I hate cable newscasters on: April 19, 2008, 02:16:29 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 19, 2008, 02:00:52 PM

Kiran....    nod

I KNEW you watched CNN! smile
2455  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 19, 2008, 02:13:19 PM
Christianity Today review.

Quote
But another result of wartime Germany did not seem tangential—recurrent images of the Berlin Wall as a metaphor for the supposed "wall" in academia and scientific circles, the wall that represents the two "sides" of the debate. The filmmakers—and Stein—would say that the wall is very real, that it was constructed by the "thought police" of the scientific community (read: evolutionists) who have no intent of allowing ID proponents any access to the other side.

They really just don't get it. Science is very willing to discuss it, the problem is that science is based on putting forth a theory and then letting your peers scrutinize it. If you write a paper saying that the world is flat you have to back it up, provide evidence for why you think the earth is flat. Then you send the paper out to your peers and let them do everything they can to disprove your logic.  Intelligent design has to meet the same standards as everything else to be accepted. The problem is ID cannot be backed up with anything besides faith, and faith just doesn't work in science.

ID will be taken very seriously when evidence is put forth to give it the benefit of the doubt, just like everything else.

Honestly the only people are going to like this film are YEC who are in denial.
2456  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Wii] How does it look on larger HD sets? on: April 19, 2008, 01:56:46 PM
And Ridah falls for the gimmick. Tongue As much as graphics seem to be important to you, I would say to stay far away from the Wii.
2457  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 19, 2008, 01:59:55 AM
I have been following the movie quite closely (reading reviews as well as articles from the scientist involved), and I will not be seeing it. I will not give these people money. Not only did they trick the scientist involved into the interviews and then take those interviews completely out of context to make them look bad, but most of the movie is a lie. This site has a lot of information about the movie and the people who claimed to be fired (who weren't actually). They also don't explain their viewpoints very well being very vague while they compare people who believe in evolution to Nazis.

Almost every review completely destroys the movie, even the one positive rated review I found, the text was pretty negative. It's supposedly quite badly done.

Also they are being sued for using animations without approval, what with the false pretense interviews and filling an audience with stand ins, the makers of the movie seem to be morally bankrupt as well.

9% on Rotten Tomatoes so far. I find it hard to believe anyone could give this movie a positive review if they would research it some and find out the movie is an exaggeration/lie.
2458  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 Collectors Edition...metal lunchbox!!!!! on: April 18, 2008, 03:02:44 PM

Quote from: Beer Goggles on April 18, 2008, 02:56:53 PM

Quote from: morlac on April 17, 2008, 10:17:23 PM

Quote from: Beer Goggles on April 16, 2008, 01:42:19 PM

If I had to guess, I would say that Fallout will be just as moddable as Oblivion.

A better question might be if it HAS to be modded to make it fun to play slywink

I am looking forward to all the mods.

I always do too with Oblivion, but then it gets to a point I am in now. I would love to play again, but the number of mods is so overwhelming I don't know where to start. Plus the scaling mobs is kind of turning me off.
2459  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Survivor 4/10 on: April 18, 2008, 02:56:33 PM

Quote from: coopasonic on April 18, 2008, 02:11:46 PM

The entire hour fo the show was pre-empted by a severe weather alert... farkin crap, I don't care if there's a tornado on the ground, I want my survivor - we have sirens if the tornado gets close to me.

Last night was the first time I saw the emergency alert system change the channel on my cable box though, kinda neat. it wasn't a test!

They do that channel changing thing every 30 minutes here. Couple of weeks ago we were supposed to get 7-8 inches of snow so they did the warning for a good 6 hours. I was recording some soccer games and thankfully it goes back to recording whatever it was recording in the first place, but it cut the games to 30 minute blocks on the DVR. We only got an inch or two of snow too. I was thinking about calling to complain since the warnings are usually way overboard.

Anyway, CBS has the shows online to watch.

Really boring show last night, except for the end. I really like Ozzy, despite the fact that he has Amanda, but was glad to see him go just because I always like to see the cocky guy in control get booted. The end was great. Amanda looked like someone just died in front of her.

Oh and I heard the same thing as ATB said. Jeff doesn't see anything but the competitions and councils.
2460  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: stop over logging on on: April 17, 2008, 02:44:44 PM
Great episode. South Park has been more miss than hit for me this season, but this one and Heavy Metal were instant classics.

And I was yelling at the TV, just unplug it! smile
2461  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Wii Fit available for pre-order now on: April 16, 2008, 03:53:09 AM
I think we can thank the weak dollar for the price tag. 8800 Yen equals $86.52 today.

Interesting article about using the program for one week.

Part that worries me:

Quote
My balance is getting better, although I'm not losing weight. By today, I've figured out my main problem with Wii Fit. It's not that it weighs you every day, with the little on-screen Wii Board mascot constantly telling you in a chirpy asshole voice that you're "too fat!" It's that there's too much interstitial fluff in between the exercise.

This is supposed to be a convenient way for me to get exercise in the privacy of my own home, right? So why do I have to spend an entire hour with the thing just to get 30 minutes of aerobics? Why can't Wii Fit string together a series of exercises for me, without all the chit-chat from the announcer, without me having to pick up and put down the Wiimote constantly to cycle through screens?
2462  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Wii Fit available for pre-order now on: April 16, 2008, 02:37:40 AM
One of the reviews I read somewhere said the board is just begging for a full skiing game, so I sure hope so.
2463  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Wii Fit available for pre-order now on: April 16, 2008, 02:30:22 AM
Yeah the videos kind of put me off, but reading the reviews everyone seems to like it, so I pre-ordered. If nothing else it will make a nice weight tracking system while it encourages me to do things like push-ups. In other words it can't hurt and it might be fun.
2464  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: April 16, 2008, 02:23:28 AM
2-0 Avs after 6 minutes! Still my money is on the game being tied by the 3rd. icon_neutral
2465  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: We need Starcraft 2 on consoles on: April 16, 2008, 12:35:16 AM
I would agree, but I can't imagine trying to play Starcraft with a controller. A FPS you can get away with a controller, even if the mouse is far better. But for a RTS, it requires a mouse IMO.
2466  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I Had My First Whopper this past week on: April 16, 2008, 12:12:36 AM

Quote from: coopasonic on April 15, 2008, 11:37:37 PM

Quote from: mori on April 15, 2008, 11:06:09 PM

The problem with bacon on burgers is that all the fast food joints use such poor bacon. Would you eat that bacon with your eggs for breakfast? Hell no. Go to the diners that use "real", thick, crispy bacon and it is nirvana.

Any bacon is better than no bacon... except canadian bacon.

Not sure about that. McDs bacon is almost completely tasteless. Jack-in-the-Box uses choice bacon.
2467  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Wii Fit available for pre-order now on: April 16, 2008, 12:08:10 AM
If anyone is interested Amazon has Wii Fit for pre-order. May 21st, $90.
2468  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Beserk new-thread-starting on: April 15, 2008, 10:15:44 PM
Well to Daehawk's credit, Darkstar's thread title is pretty F'ing stupid. Maybe we should start a simple "Fallout 3" thread in PCs and just ban Unbreakable from it. smile
2469  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 Collectors Edition...metal lunchbox!!!!! on: April 15, 2008, 10:13:02 PM

Quote from: IkeVandergraaf on April 15, 2008, 09:42:45 PM

...and the harder it is to get it to run on modern machines.  I still would like to try to play through the first two before the third comes out.

Actually Fallout 1 plays quite well on Vista. Well besides some funny colors sometimes, but if you alt tab a couple of times they go away. I hear you don't have that problem on XP. It does look bad full screen so I turned off scaleing so I have little box to play in, but it looks good.

2 has some music issues, but there is a fix for it.

I got the them for $20+ Tactics, through Overstock (GoGamer was sold out).
2470  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Our perception of Christianity influenced by Hollywood? on: April 15, 2008, 07:36:23 PM
Well I still think Hollywood accurately portrays Christians. Most Christians don't feel the need to talk about it, just like most characters never mention it. The guys who ask you within the first 5 minutes if Jesus Christ is your savior or hands out cards to strangers telling them how great Jesus is deserve to be mocked in Hollywood. But thankfully those kind of people are very uncommon in real life and in movies/TV shows.
2471  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Our perception of Christianity influenced by Hollywood? on: April 15, 2008, 03:11:41 PM
And still waiting for examples. Besides one movie and Ned Flanders. Heck Christians even have a movie coming out this week trying to fight back against their persecution in the science world and comparing people who believe in evolution to Nazis. Expelled. Of course the movie has already been torn apart so badly it's kind of embarrassing.

I saw There Will be Blood recently, and their is a rather important character who is a Christian in it. The were depicting a certain kind of person of the time though, not Christians in general and the movie makes that quite clear.
2472  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Favorite Drink To Relax? on: April 15, 2008, 02:31:49 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on April 15, 2008, 12:50:32 PM

Ice cold Sierra Nevada or Blue Moon, poured in a chilled glass.

You will always be a Killian's Red drinker to me. smile
2473  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Moslo and Ultima help on: April 15, 2008, 05:11:18 AM

Quote from: Daehawk on April 15, 2008, 03:29:40 AM

"I just started Fallout 1, and it seems like it's going to be a lot more playable than the Ultimas."

+1

I mean because of Ultimas are truly ancient, not because Fallout is a better game Daehawk. I played Fallout long ago, and while it is good, it's not Ultima IV in its prime.
2474  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 15, 2008, 02:12:18 AM

Quote from: Gratch on April 15, 2008, 02:07:28 AM

So...when do we begin to assume OO isn't coming back?  Or did we pass that point already?

I am starting to wonder. What has it been? 11 days?
2475  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Moslo and Ultima help on: April 15, 2008, 02:10:43 AM

Quote from: unbreakable on April 14, 2008, 06:53:25 PM

Quote from: Lee on April 13, 2008, 04:30:06 AM

Quote from: Daehawk on April 13, 2008, 03:24:44 AM

Personally I like to play 6 7 7pt2 8...the rest are kinda meh.

Ulitma IV is the best RPG ever made, that is all. Tongue

Ultima V was pretty great too.

I have the Ult 1-5 box set, I loved all of them.  Ultima 3 was especially fun, since back in the day I found it too hard (it's kind of funny how going back to those games, they now seem too easy).

I tried to play III and VI in a tiny little dos box (I thought VI was a higher resolution than it is, either that or I had a Hercules card back in the day that doubled the resolution) and found the interface too annoying to really make a go of it. A very small map screen and archaic controls just take out the enjoyment for me despite the very fond memories I have of the games.

Interestingly I did find an OSX version of III that looks decent. I might try it out.

I just started Fallout 1, and it seems like it's going to be a lot more playable than the Ultimas.
2476  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 15, 2008, 01:44:32 AM

Quote from: wonderpug on April 14, 2008, 11:24:43 PM

Quote from: Lee on April 14, 2008, 10:59:54 PM

He's really bitter about OO for some reason.

If you're really curious they're doing a Gone Gold Forum Grudges 101 course at the popehat forums.

That was pretty interesting, I remembered some of it, but not in that much detail. Thanks for the heads-up.
2477  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Our perception of Christianity influenced by Hollywood? on: April 14, 2008, 11:14:42 PM

Quote from: Victoria Raverna on April 14, 2008, 07:02:23 AM

Quote from: CSL on April 14, 2008, 06:54:56 AM

Quote from: Victoria Raverna on April 14, 2008, 06:22:04 AM

Movies make fun of BAC because it is a lot safer than make fun of muslims.slywink



You think we can't make fun of Muslims too?

You can but then you probably have to hide for the rest of your life or until you outlive the person that order your death. Even then you have to keep watching your back.slywink


So Darkstar One needs to watch his back?
2478  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 14, 2008, 10:59:54 PM

Quote from: cheeba on April 14, 2008, 07:35:14 PM

Quote from: ATB on April 14, 2008, 06:23:12 PM

Quote from: The Meal on April 14, 2008, 04:39:11 PM

Kelric is entrenched at PopeHat (and from his messages there, doesn't intend to make a presence here).


 thumbsup
How many bitchy replies does this make for ATB now?

He's really bitter about OO for some reason. It's more amusing than anything else.
2479  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I Had My First Whopper this past week on: April 14, 2008, 10:56:18 PM

Quote from: WalkingFumble on April 14, 2008, 02:45:17 PM

Quote from: Lee on April 14, 2008, 03:58:22 AM

I would like BK a lot more if they didn't nuke everything.

so the smoke coming from the top of the building is radiation?  damn, i thought they cooked their hamburgers. 

My best friend in HS worked in a BK, and if you are ever in one, you can seem them do it. They flame broil a bunch of burgers then put them a steamer to keep them warm. When you order it, they put it together and nuke it so the cheese melts and the bun is warm. This is why so often the buns are pretty soft and spongy. Never been to a BK that didn't nuke their burgers (and since they are always on AF bases I have been to BKs all over the world). This is why BK advertises to make it your way, because they don't have to cook a patty to make a burger like McDs does. McDs has too cook the meat, that is why they are always slower on special orders.

Do a search and a few places mention it.
2480  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I Had My First Whopper this past week on: April 14, 2008, 03:58:22 AM
I would like BK a lot more if they didn't nuke everything.
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