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9601  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: You MUST rofl at this on: July 26, 2007, 01:04:01 PM
And that's the big cultural difference.  We can hardly fathom being on a gameshow and not doing everything you can to win.  With this Japanese show and others like Takeshi's Castle, the contestants just seem to be trying to...have fun?  Does not compute!
9602  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Princess Bride...then & now on: July 26, 2007, 01:01:12 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on July 26, 2007, 04:35:45 AM

we have lost so many good people today.... depward....darkstar one... laner.... when will the carnage stop?
Well naturally I'd expect a banning announcement to follow in the Site Feedback forum in the next few days.  Then the madness will at last come to an end.
9603  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 10 Things I hate about Star Trek on: July 26, 2007, 02:59:48 AM

Quote from: unbreakable on July 26, 2007, 02:09:15 AM

Quote from: wonderpug on July 25, 2007, 10:41:22 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on July 25, 2007, 10:06:06 PM

Although saying there is no scientific basis for time travel is a pretty huge one, as well.

Do tell!  The paradoxes of time travel were one of the most interesting parts of The Fabric of the Cosmos when I read it, I'd love to hear some counter-arguments.

Well, of course, if you want a brief overview of the science, Wikipedia is good as a sort of 'primer'.  But in specific, Ron Mallett has recently done perhaps the most groundbreaking theoretical work on it, which others are working on trying to test his theories for practicality.  He has also written a book on the subject.  Also, if you are interested in hearing more let me know: he has been interviewed on NPR at least two times, and I can dig for links to the interviews.

Even Ron Mallet's best case scenario would be a time travel back to when the machine was created.  Has any piece of time travel fiction ever used that type of setup?

If all the "science fiction" definition needs for a scientific explanation is for someone to have done some form of research that isn't proved or disproved, how is telepathy and telekinesis any less plausible than time travel?

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But with your refined explanation, let me see if I'm understanding you correctly.  If "the story has to be based on science," then: If in a Star Wars story the Force is used, as in the movies, it is most definitely not science fiction, it's science fantasy.  If in a Star Wars story the Force is not used, as in books like Tales from Jabba's Palace, it then becomes science fiction.

Yes, that sounds about right.  The more a story is about the force, the more it's about fantasy.  Despite being in the same "world" and setting.

This is the part that seems fishy to me.  If everything about the world is science fiction until you introduce one fantasy element, why does that one element have the power to disqualify the entire work from being science fiction?  Ender's Game seems like clear cut science fiction to me, yet it has definite handwaving magic for the non-centrifugal gravity and the faster-than-light communication. The former is a prominent feature of the storyline, and the latter is an inseparable part of the storyline.  Thus disqualified from being science fiction?
9604  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 10 Things I hate about Star Trek on: July 25, 2007, 10:41:22 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on July 25, 2007, 10:06:06 PM

Although saying there is no scientific basis for time travel is a pretty huge one, as well.

Do tell!  The paradoxes of time travel were one of the most interesting parts of The Fabric of the Cosmos when I read it, I'd love to hear some counter-arguments.


But with your refined explanation, let me see if I'm understanding you correctly.  If "the story has to be based on science," then: If in a Star Wars story the Force is used, as in the movies, it is most definitely not science fiction, it's science fantasy.  If in a Star Wars story the Force is not used, as in books like Tales from Jabba's Palace, it then becomes science fiction.

Star Trek, despite it's best efforts, is also a story based on magic, and thus is not science fiction.

Did I get that right?

So how does 2001: A Space Odyssey fare?  The immortal star child that lives and travels through space is a key part of the story's resolution, is it magical enough to disqualify the book and film from being science fiction?
9605  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: Rock Band Bundle $200.00 shipped at Amazon on: July 25, 2007, 08:51:35 PM

Quote from: ATB on July 25, 2007, 08:35:35 PM

So you can solo campaign through the whole game as a drummer? Then do it for bassist. Then vocalist. Then lead?

That's like 4 GHs in one game.  Or am I wrong.
3 in 1, there's no bass campaign. 

Also, I believe they've said the multiplayer "Band World Tour" campaign will allow for any combination of players either at the same TV or over Live.
9606  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: Rock Band Bundle $200.00 shipped at Amazon on: July 25, 2007, 08:21:23 PM
Though the $200 pricetag for the bundle seems likely to me, in some of the interviews at E3 the Harmonix reps stated that these pricing rumors are not the official word, and hinted that the actual prices would be at least a bit less.

Quote from: ATB on July 25, 2007, 08:00:39 PM

I wonder what the SP will be like in this game.

The single player "Solo Tour" campaign sounds like an expanded version of the basic Guitar Hero formula.  You start off designing your avatar's look (hair, face, body type) and movement style, and picking a home town.  As you progress, you get to travel to bigger venues in other cities.  In addition to buying new equipment with your earnings, you'll be able to buy clothes--with the selection differing at each city.
9607  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XBLA]this week...Wing Commander Arena on: July 25, 2007, 05:29:43 PM
You know what would be a neat prize for a Wing Commander themed sweepstakes?

How about (almost) every Wing Commander game ever released, AND the all the consoles and hardware to run them?

9608  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Hold a tick...GH: Rocks the 80s Warning on: July 25, 2007, 02:47:11 PM

Quote from: Starshifter on July 25, 2007, 02:37:07 PM

So, is the 80's edition coming to the Xbox 360?
I don't think it's ever been mentioned.  Boggles the mind.
9609  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Hold a tick...GH: Rocks the 80s Warning on: July 25, 2007, 02:23:53 PM
Help me remember my gaming history: when did the Red Octane/Harmonix split happen, May 2006?  And then 80s Edition was first announced as being in development in January '07?

Did a bit more digging:

May '06: Activision buys Red Octane for $100M
September '06: MTV buys Harmonix for $175M
January '07: We first hear of 80s Edition "already in development" with an expected Spring release

So when are they considered "split," when Activision makes the purchase or when MTV makes the purchase?
9610  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Microsoft's Shane Kim is an idiot. on: July 25, 2007, 01:58:33 PM
Oh man, that's not the only painful part of the interview:

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GI: I saw Halo 3, but it’s not playable.

Kim: You will see it here.

GI: It’s not playable here.

Kim: In terms of you getting your hands on it? Maybe.

GI: It was being driven. Why wasn’t the controller in my hands?

Kim: That’s a good question for those guys. Obviously, they want to control the demo. Maybe they’d let you pick it up.

GI: I asked.

Kim: They wouldn’t let you pick it up?

GI: Nope.

Kim: I promise you, it’s real.

GI: I went through the demo twice. It’s looking really nice. Halo Wars looks sick. You guys definitely have a great lineup. You do have a lot of games, but that being said, there are a lot of games that have been shown previously that are missing in action. Alan Wake, we saw a trailer last year. That’s a big question mark.

Kim: It’s not this year.

GI: 2008?

Kim: It’s not this year.
9611  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Hold a tick...GH: Rocks the 80s Warning on: July 25, 2007, 01:50:51 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on July 25, 2007, 01:41:07 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on July 25, 2007, 01:36:04 PM

Harmonix gets the benefit of the doubt from me until we discover some exposé unveiling what really happened in the Red Octane/Harmonix split that points the finger otherwise.  They earned their free pass as far as I'm concerned.

I like Harmonix plenty and Rock Band looks quite awesome on it's own merits but I see no reason they should be given a free pass for putting out shoddy product.

I can see where you're coming from, but you have to admit it's a tough position to be creating a product for your biggest competitor.  The more they impress the public with 80s Edition and build up the Guitar Hero name, the tougher the battle for Rock Band just 4 short months from now.

It just seems so bizarre that they would have Harmonix go through with 80s Edition after the split.  IMO when the split happened and everyone's plans changed, Red Octane should've just adapted 80s Edition to be a $20 downloadable add-on for Guitar Hero II on the 360.  The lack of bonus songs and new guitars to purchase becomes a non-issue, the DLC promises for GHII no longer look as empty, and you boost the Guitar Hero brand more than the $50 boxed 80s Edition seems to be doing.
9612  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Hold a tick...GH: Rocks the 80s Warning on: July 25, 2007, 01:36:04 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on July 25, 2007, 01:27:03 PM

This situation with Rock the 80s vaguely pisses me off.  Mainly because it seems like everyones falling all over themselves slobbering over Harmonix because Rock Band looks so awesome to the point where Harmonix will get a free pass for crapping out this one.

Harmonix gets the benefit of the doubt from me until we discover some exposé unveiling what really happened in the Red Octane/Harmonix split that points the finger otherwise.  They earned their free pass as far as I'm concerned.
9613  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Hold a tick...GH: Rocks the 80s Warning on: July 25, 2007, 01:03:15 PM

Quote from: ATB on July 25, 2007, 04:53:02 AM

Hold a tick?

9614  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Star Trek movie - Spock is cast on: July 25, 2007, 12:54:07 PM
Yeah, this one's going to be young Kirk and Spock at the Academy.

edit: I should say, that's the rumor going 'round.  A younger Kirk and Spock, at least.
9615  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PSP] The ultimate looking console on: July 25, 2007, 02:25:04 AM
It took me about 2 minutes of looking at that ebay page before I realized it wasn't Starshifter telling us about the next season of EMERGENCY! being released.

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9616  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Kid friendly PS2 coop games on: July 24, 2007, 08:38:45 PM
Lego Star Wars
9617  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 10 Things I hate about Star Trek on: July 24, 2007, 07:42:34 PM

Quote from: Pyperkub on July 24, 2007, 07:09:48 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on July 24, 2007, 01:45:15 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on July 24, 2007, 02:16:05 AM

Quote from: Destructor on July 23, 2007, 10:58:07 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on July 23, 2007, 03:25:08 PM

It's somewhat incredible how the two most popular Science Fiction stories (Star Wars/Trek) are actually Science Fantasy.

I'm curious - why do you use Science Fantasy and not Science Fiction?

Because Science Fiction is based on science.

With this definition, I could disqualify all of the following from being science fiction:

Ender's Game
2001: A Space Odyssey
The Time Machine
The War of the Worlds
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Dune
Alien
The Matrix
Blade Runner
Terminator

I mean, if it has to be entirely based on real science, what is a science fiction book by this definition?

Ender's Game - wrong - the science it is based on is that of learning, socialization, and military science
2001: A Space Odyssey - wrong again - the idea of a thinking, man-made being acting against us is classic science fiction - see frankenstein
The Time Machine - I haven't read this in a long time and can't comment one way or another
The War of the Worlds - Wrong - the science has to do with biology and the common cold taking down otherworldly invaders - hot science at the time.
Close Encounters of the Third Kind - fantasy
Dune - very complex social, political, evolutionary and environmental science fiction
Alien - could be horror, but I'll go for sf, based on looking at what we know of evolutionary science and postulating a perfect warrior species.
The Matrix - sf - takes computer simulations and extropolates them to examine what reality is
Blade Runner - sf - once again looking at man made beings and what makes us human
Terminator - sf - once again looking at man made beings and what makes us human

Eh?  I think you completely missed the point of this exercise.  I think all of those are science fiction, that's why I listed them.  But if we're disqualifying things from being sci-fi the same way we're disqualifying Star Trek:

Ender's Game - no scientific basis for faster-than-light communication, non-centrifigul artificial gravity
2001: A Space Odyssey - no scientific basis for an immortal star-child
The Time Machine - no scientific basis for time travel
The War of the Worlds - no scientific basis for advanced life on Mars, then or now
Close Encounters of the Third Kind - no scientific basis for hovering disc UFOs
Dune - no scientific basis for spice, sandworms, ornithopters, shields and laser-shield interactions
Alien - no scientific basis for multi-planet species symbiosis, pulse rifles, hypersleep
The Matrix - no scientific basis for magically floating hoverships
Blade Runner - no scientific basis for hovercars
Terminator - no scientific basis for time travel, sentient liquid metal
9618  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Discussion] What do you feel is "SciFi" vs. Fantasy? on: July 24, 2007, 06:07:40 PM
For books, just look at the font for the title:

serif = fantasy
sans serif = sci-fi
9619  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Drew Carey new host of Price is Right on: July 24, 2007, 03:50:54 PM

Quote from: Purge on July 24, 2007, 02:31:30 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on July 24, 2007, 01:33:50 PM

Quote from: Purge on July 24, 2007, 01:18:01 PM

It's not like Bob Barker had anything other than tenure.

Are you saying with a straight face that you don't think Bob Barker had talent?

He could have been replaced with anyone's grandpa.

Do you have any reason for thinking that Bob Barker brought nothing to the show other than being an old man, or are you just tossing out zippy one liners for the fun of it?
9620  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: Guitar Hero 80s for $40 + $15 gift card on: July 24, 2007, 03:34:53 PM
I'm surprised to find that I'm not jumping on this deal.  I guess I've got my sights set on Rock Band even more than I thought.
9621  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 10 Things I hate about Star Trek on: July 24, 2007, 01:45:15 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on July 24, 2007, 02:16:05 AM

Quote from: Destructor on July 23, 2007, 10:58:07 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on July 23, 2007, 03:25:08 PM

It's somewhat incredible how the two most popular Science Fiction stories (Star Wars/Trek) are actually Science Fantasy.

I'm curious - why do you use Science Fantasy and not Science Fiction?

Because Science Fiction is based on science.

With this definition, I could disqualify all of the following from being science fiction:

Ender's Game
2001: A Space Odyssey
The Time Machine
The War of the Worlds
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Dune
Alien
The Matrix
Blade Runner
Terminator

I mean, if it has to be entirely based on real science, what is a science fiction book by this definition?
9622  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Drew Carey new host of Price is Right on: July 24, 2007, 01:33:50 PM

Quote from: Purge on July 24, 2007, 01:18:01 PM

It's not like Bob Barker had anything other than tenure.

Are you saying with a straight face that you don't think Bob Barker had talent?
9623  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Guitar Hero 80s for $40 + $15 gift card on: July 24, 2007, 01:23:21 PM
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcmcat126200050040&type=category
9624  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: now you can have 'The Touch' on: July 24, 2007, 12:20:22 AM
I'm still bummed The Touch wasn't put into Guitar Hero 80s Edition.

It's great having the mp3 now, but nothing beats the video. smile
9625  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (7/23) on: July 23, 2007, 03:09:19 PM
Oh, forgot about Wing Commander Arena.  I'll most likely grab this as long as my impression of the demo falls into at least the fair-decent range.
9626  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Good PS2 games on: July 23, 2007, 03:05:48 PM
Ring of Red is still one of my favorite TBS games.  Gotta love the grainy WWII newsreel footage with giant mecha spliced in.
9627  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (7/23) on: July 23, 2007, 02:42:34 PM
If I see it on sale for $25 or less: Guitar Hero 80s.
9628  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (7/23) on: July 23, 2007, 02:16:29 PM
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Kirby's Dream Course™ (Super NES®, 1-2 players, Rated E for Everyone, 800 Wii Points)
Devil's Crush (TurboGrafx16, 1-2 players, Rated E for Everyone – Animated Blood, Mild Fantasy Violence, 600 Wii Points)
Shining Force™ (Sega Genesis, 1 player, Rated E for Everyone – Mild Fantasy Violence, 800 Wii Points)
9629  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mythos opens up on: July 20, 2007, 03:18:25 AM
See, this is where advertising counts.  If there was some mention in the title or in the post of this being made by the guy who did Fate I would've been all over this thread!  I hadn't heard of the Mythos name until Bill Harris' post just today.
9630  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Question about Firefox on: July 19, 2007, 05:50:04 PM
Ah, I see.  The only time I use that list is if I type the first 3-4 characters of a URL, and in that case it does place the more frequently used sites at the top.  I usually come to this site by typing "www.gam", which brings up gamingtrend at the top of the list, with gamefaqs and gamespot next in line.  Way at the bottom are things like gamershell and gametrailers, which I don't visit nearly as often.
9631  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Question about Firefox on: July 19, 2007, 05:14:27 PM
Just click and drag them to the order you prefer.  Personally I like it better that way.  I'd rather arrange them myself then have to hunt for the new location each time I want to use the link.
9632  Gaming / Analog Gaming / Re: Opinion: Why I Didn't Go to the New E3 (from GameDaily) on: July 19, 2007, 02:04:16 PM

Quote from: Mark Friedler on July 19, 2007, 01:54:22 AM

- Venue: Call me a snob; however, I think the venue, a hangar at the Santa Monica airport, was a big downgrade from taking over the entire LA Convention Center. I couldn't see how the logistics would work bouncing between hotels and an airport hangar.

- The Airplane Hangar (again): "You're kidding me. Isn't that where Motley Crue played at the Spike awards a few years back?" (Content of an actual conversation with another exec)

- Expenses: I didn't think I could get a $400/night (or more) beach front hotel bill reimbursed as it was way above our Company's limit for LA. The "beach" thing would have been suspicious anyway.

- European Tourists: Whenever I've been in Santa Monica in July, the place is swarming with French, German and other Eurotourists. Sidewalks tend to be clogged with slow moving, picture taking and T-shirt buying riffraff who wouldn't know Mario if he jumped on their heads.

Having lived in Westwood for a few years, and having flown out of the Santa Monica Airport for a couple of those years, I can't quite understand why someone would prefer downtown LA so much more than the Santa Monica area.  The Santa Monica airport is in a nicer neighborhood, is safer, has better public transportation, is closer to LAX, the beach--and are vacationing Europeans really a worse crowd to be around than the, er, charming locals you find around the LA Convention Center?  And if $400/night at a beachfront hotel is out of your budget--how about staying at a cheaper hotel?
9633  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Call of Duty 4: E3 2007 Trailer on: July 19, 2007, 01:37:17 PM

Quote from: Jag on July 19, 2007, 01:24:40 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on July 19, 2007, 12:58:11 PM

Quote from: Jag on July 19, 2007, 12:20:50 PM


Ok, that looks really really fun. 

I love how the tanker sways in the ocean. The gameplay definitely seems to have a GRAW feel to it too.

I got that vibe as well.

I might be too soft for this game, I don't know if I would've
Spoiler for Mild spoiler, I guess (from the video):
killed the guys sleeping in the barracks and the guy in a drunken stupor.  Take no prisoners, I suppose?

It's my nerves, sir!
9634  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Call of Duty 4: E3 2007 Trailer on: July 19, 2007, 12:58:11 PM

Quote from: Jag on July 19, 2007, 12:20:50 PM


Ok, that looks really really fun. 
9635  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Infinity Engine Marathon on: July 18, 2007, 07:48:43 PM
Another question: (crosses fingers) Any chance there's a mod that lets you use the character kit options from BG2 in BG1?
9636  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Wii Rockstar Table Tennis on: July 18, 2007, 06:40:15 PM
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Rockstar Games presents Table Tennis is heading to the Wii™

New York, NY - July 18, 2007 - Rockstar Games is proud to announce that Rockstar Games presents Table Tennis will be making its way to the Wii™ home video game system from Nintendo this Fall.

Developed by Rockstar Leeds in collaboration with Rockstar San Diego, Rockstar Games presents Table Tennis is the perfect Wii gaming experience. Feel the unmatched speed and intensity of the real-life sport with an authentic physics engine and intuitive gameplay that mimics the exhilarating experience found in international competition.

Rockstar Games presents Table Tennis made its debut in May 2006 on Xbox 360™ video game and entertainment system from Microsoft and was met with huge critical acclaim, winning Gamespot's "Best Sports Title" at E3 2006.

"Ever since we released Table Tennis, fans have been asking us to create a Wii version," said Sam Houser, Founder and Executive Producer of Rockstar Games. "By bringing Table Tennis to the Wii and utilizing the motion-sensitive Wii Remote™, a new audience can now experience a game that is beautifully designed and impossible to put down."

Addictive, fast-paced and above all fun, Rockstar Games Presents Table Tennis is guaranteed to be the must have title for all Wii owners.

My biggest question: True motion sensing to determine swings and spin, or just a half-assed translation of the 360 version where a general swing motion is the equivalent of a button press?
9637  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: PS3 price drop? on: July 18, 2007, 06:11:33 PM

Quote from: TC Weidner on July 18, 2007, 05:56:33 PM

I saw a report in a business paper talking about brand image etc.  There was just a large US national poll taken and the data shows the three largest , well recognized, and popular and respected brands in US are
1) Coca cola
2) SONY
3) Toyota

Sony will be fine.

All three of those companies have had failed products.  I'm not sure what your point is.
9638  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Nervous Brickdown on: July 18, 2007, 03:34:46 PM
How long is the game?  Everything in the reviews makes it look right up my alley, but I don't know if I want to buy it if I can beat the whole thing in one evening.
9639  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: PS3 price drop? on: July 18, 2007, 03:26:33 PM

Quote from: Purge on July 18, 2007, 11:19:47 AM

Turtle, I'm only going to say this once....

when you flame your competitor publicly and repeatedly for not having 100% backwards compatibility, then put it in your product with close to 100%, and then yank it from at least one launch market (EU), and then force the rest of the markets to go to the currently less-than 50% compatibility before your software is ready is just plain crazy.

It would be worth breaking the backwards compatibility promise if was part of a strategy to bring the price down.  Desperate times, and all.  Cut out the wifi, the card reader, the emotion engine, don't include a video, USB, or ethernet cable, hell maybe even cut HDMI, do whatever you can to get a $399 pricetag so people might actually start buying your system.
9640  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gran Turismo 5 Prologue coming in October of this year on: July 18, 2007, 02:29:54 PM
Oh, are the license tests in the game?  I know a lot of people complained about them, but I missed having them when I defected to Forza.
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