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9561  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Manhunt 2 banned in UK on: June 19, 2007, 02:41:51 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on June 19, 2007, 02:35:04 PM

The game being banned in Germany is no big surprise, same for Australia.  Does the PS3 have PAL and NTSC versions?  cause if not I hear it's region free.....

There are PAL and NTSC versions, I would guess they'd be region free (when the publisher allows it) for games but not for movies.
9562  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Look at them guests! on: June 19, 2007, 02:34:30 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on June 19, 2007, 02:28:44 PM

Quote from: ROTC1983 on June 19, 2007, 12:14:38 PM

From what was said, it seems a lot of the guests are bots...

you're a bot!  Tongue
That is absurd of CeeKay Gaming Trend Senior Member Online to say, $suspectedbotname is clearly a valued member of Simple Machines Forum Gaming Trend - Index.
9563  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Manhunt 2 banned in UK on: June 19, 2007, 02:31:31 PM

Quote from: Clay on June 19, 2007, 02:26:16 PM

Or, to put it another way, NTSC is 29.97 frames/second and PAL is 24 frames/second (based on the cinema). . .
(with 20% more vertical resolution)
9564  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: 172 guests... on: June 19, 2007, 02:19:25 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on June 19, 2007, 02:13:13 PM

What is this "web" of which you speak?
9565  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Manhunt 2 banned in UK on: June 19, 2007, 01:51:25 PM

Quote from: papasmurff on June 19, 2007, 01:45:51 PM

I know that I am kinda a noob in this respect but what does PAL mean??

NTSC and PAL are two different video formats for television.  NTSC is used in the US, Canada, Mexico, and Japan.  PAL is used in Europe, South America, and Australia.
9566  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Sony] Blockbuster chooses Blu-ray on: June 19, 2007, 01:45:22 PM
From reading about this, it doesn't seem like Blockbuster is so much trying to influence the market as it is reacting.  They're not siding with Blu-Ray because they want Blu-Ray to win, they're siding with Blu-Ray because for them it was renting less terribly than HD-DVD, which hasn't been renting at all.
9567  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer impressions on: June 19, 2007, 01:03:46 AM
Woah, Edward Norton as Bruce Banner?  Color me intrigued.
9568  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Pet Peeve: Double clicking on: June 18, 2007, 02:51:55 AM
This drives me crazy as well.  It doesn't help that their belief in the need for double clicking gets reinforced by their clumsy clicking.  They'll try a single click, but miss the link or button.  When they then mouse over it properly, they double click, and viola!  It works!  Must be because of the double clicking!
9569  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Forza 2: COOL CAR PIC'S....... on: June 18, 2007, 12:10:38 AM
Someone at Qt3 was curious to see how my Autobot logo method differed from him, so I did a shot of both my Autobot logo deconstructed and my Skull from PvP deconstructed:

Autobot logo, with the left half kept together:





Skull:


9570  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mario Party 8 on: June 17, 2007, 11:15:05 PM
Played it for the first time with my fiancee and another couple last night.  We had a lot of fun, but our main complaint was that they didn't have us playing minigames enough.  We had to move our pieces around the game for what seemed like 5-6 minutes before we could have a brief 30 second minigame at the end of the round.  We only played the Monopoly style map where you invest in hotels, so I don't know if the other boards bring in more minigames.

After that we had some fun spending time just playing minigames freeform, but of course we wished we had more of them unlocked.  Overall I think we all agreed the 3 on 1 games were the most fun, it's really fun to all team up against someone.

So thumbs up from us, but it'd be a lot better if the boardgame moved faster so we didn't have to wait so long between minigames.
9571  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Forza 2: COOL CAR PIC'S....... on: June 17, 2007, 09:56:29 PM
This just in, PeteRock sighted in local suburb!

9572  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Friday Night Gears of War (6/15/07)... on: June 16, 2007, 04:30:19 PM
Thanks for the invites, wish I had the game. frown
9573  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 Trailer on: June 16, 2007, 03:07:37 AM
Looks good to me, and hallelujah no scaled encounters!
9574  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Anyone here know anything about Little Italy restuarants? on: June 15, 2007, 09:00:45 PM

Quote from: Darkstar One on June 15, 2007, 08:50:28 PM

Stupid question--what are these "street hawkers"?
Pigeons are considered good eating in Italy, so as a carry-over from the old world in a lot of Little Italy districts around America you can find people who still train hawks to hunt down pigeons and bring them back for the hawker to roast.  As Tebunker said, it's very fun to pit two hawkers against each other for your business, you can see some pretty impressive aerial maneuvers as the birds try to beat each other to the kill.

Or maybe Tebunker's just talking about people who stand in the doorway yelling to draw people in, one or the other.
9575  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sunday Skin Poll(redux) - Does it really belong here? on: June 15, 2007, 07:14:01 PM

Quote from: Lee on June 15, 2007, 06:33:46 PM

If KD stops, then Corruptrelic may take over the duties. Do any of us want that? slywink

Ok, I retract everything I said on page 1. slywink
9576  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sunday Skin Poll(redux) - Does it really belong here? on: June 15, 2007, 04:11:14 PM
Why are you still on the "live with or leave it" angle?  The skin threads don't bother me, I look at them, I don't have a problem with them.

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on June 14, 2007, 02:43:48 PM

I'm interested in seeing how this plays out.  I'll give it to this Sunday and we'll see then. 
But clearly Ron's interested in at least examining the issue.  I would wager that he's more interested in hearing people's thoughts for and against the issue than he is in just throwing up a poll and going with the winner.

Quote from: Blackadar on June 15, 2007, 03:39:38 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on June 15, 2007, 03:29:27 PM

Consider, in your ardent faith in the word of the poll, that Turtle, who initiated this round of discussion about whether the skin posts are turning away, said that he likes them.

So depending on whether he and I voted for option 1, option 2, or option 1 and 2, we could've added 2-6 "poll points" towards keeping them as-is, despite both thinking that they might be turning away the female demographic.

I guess this is a TV show now.  Do you know what the "female demographic" consists of?  And do we take a worse ratings hit by removing any/all offensive threads or by keeping them?  Let's hire Gallup to find out!

If you're going to post again, answer this - is the argument that Sunday Skin - and NSFW threads like it - are too offensive, or is it that Ron's posting these the problem?  It's either one or the other.  Define the issue, please.

The female demographic consists of females who may be interested in gaming forum, or just an off-topic forum with people they relate to.  And I don't know if removing skin threads will make us gain more people than we lose, I thought that was the whole point of Turtle bringing up the discussion.

And as for your ultimatum, I think the issue at hand is whether threads full of skin pictures make the site less welcoming to women.  As a point in the discussion of that issue, I personally think that if the skin threads are coming from the site staff on a regular basis, it sets more of an example than if it's just a forumer posting the thread.
9577  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sunday Skin Poll(redux) - Does it really belong here? on: June 15, 2007, 03:29:27 PM
The poll has spoken, live with it or leave?  Is that what we've come to?  Did you miss the part where I'm not offended by the skin threads?

Consider, in your ardent faith in the word of the poll, that Turtle, who initiated this round of discussion about whether the skin posts are turning away, said that he likes them.

So depending on whether he and I voted for option 1, option 2, or option 1 and 2, we could've added 2-6 "poll points" towards keeping them as-is, despite both thinking that they might be turning away the female demographic.
9578  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sunday Skin Poll(redux) - Does it really belong here? on: June 15, 2007, 02:53:22 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 15, 2007, 01:57:03 PM

Quote from: Laner on June 15, 2007, 01:26:28 PM


Maybe you missed the part where the site owner doesn't start all those threads you mentioned on a weekly basis.

Maybe you missed the part where it's the site owner and he can do any damn thing he wants.

Sorry, I find the whole "Ron should censor himself even more than the average poster here" argument beyond bewildering.  You'd have a much stronger argument that perhaps the threads themselves should be outside the CoC.  But to suggest that the site owner shouldn't have the same permissions (almost used the word "rights", but then we'd get into the whole "there are no rights on a private forum sidetrack) as a normal user is ludicrous.

Of course he can do whatever he wants.  He can turn Gaming Trend into a full-on thumbnail gallery porn site if he wants to.  But what does he want to do with the site?  What does he want people to come here for?

Is he ok with the forumers in the Off-Topic forum keeping five threads of non-nude skin threads bumped up to the top, a picture post thread each for five different fetishes?  Instead of just Sunday Skin, can the forumers start a regular skin thread each day of the week?

I'm guessing you might think those examples are absurd. 

There's a line, of course, and yours is probably drawn to where one or two skin threads at a time is ok, but 5 is getting a bit carried away.  For other people, the line is drawn a lot sooner--just one skin thread at a time gives the forum too much of a men's club vibe.

So there's two questions:
1) Does this place have too much of a locker room vibe, where half-nude pictures and sexist comments (like mytocles mentioned) are getting thrown around enough to drive away potential forumers?
2) Do we care?
9579  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: IGN gives DiRT an 8.4 on: June 15, 2007, 01:37:11 PM

Quote from: ATB on June 15, 2007, 01:26:41 PM

Quote from: Misguided on June 15, 2007, 02:30:07 AM

30 is plenty, if consistent.
60 dropping to 45 isn't that bad. 30 dropping to 15 is a big problem.

How does one tell what the framerate is?

I hear guys on podcasts say it was running at a smooth 60 fps. How do you check that?

I just count them real fast.
9580  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Come on down! It's Bob Barker's final show! on: June 15, 2007, 01:36:39 PM

Quote from: Destructor on June 15, 2007, 01:11:57 PM

I also agree that TPiR is Bob's show. I just don't see how it can go on without his dedication and energy.

Folks may not remember it, but there was a short lived attempt to bring TPiR to prime time with a different host.  IIRC, they had much bigger prizes, the format was tweaked slightly (I seem to remember they even stuffed it into a half hour timeslot), and I think it failed after only a month or two.

I can't see how the show could succeed without him, but then again I'm sure a lot of people didn't see how the Tonight Show could have gone on without Johnny.  I'll be very curious to see how the new host handles his first day on the job.

Also, I think it'd be awesome if Bob Barker took advantage of his retirement and did what a lot of other folks his age do...be in the audience of the Price is Right!
9581  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Come on down! It's Bob Barker's final show! on: June 15, 2007, 04:59:52 AM
Whew, it looks like the 2nd showing is at 8pm.  It snuck up on me and my DVR is currently out of commission, glad I can still catch it in prime time.

I can't believe I missed my chance to see a taping.  The one time I tried to go with some friends, we got to the studio at 6:30am but there were already too many people line.
9582  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sunday Skin Poll(redux) - Does it really belong here? on: June 15, 2007, 04:39:33 AM

Quote from: Lee on June 15, 2007, 02:40:29 AM

Quote from: wonderpug on June 15, 2007, 01:37:05 AM

For the record, I'm not personally offended by the skin, it just seems unprofessional to have as a site-sponsored weekly feature.  It's a step away from having a "Babes of the Week" button on the front page.  If Ron wants the place to feel more like Maxim, I guess it's appropriate, I just always got the impression he wanted the site to be fairly family friendly.
Wow, talk about jumping to conclusions. Step away? Please. They are posted in an off topic forum, most of the stuff posted here is unproffesional, silly, funny, etc.

Not so much a conclusion as it is an opinion.  The site owner, every week, posts a series of girly pics.  We have forumers who anticipate them every Sunday, and who notice if they're gone for a day.  Surely we have lurkers who also make a habit of looking at the pics every Sunday.  I don't think it's that much of a stretch to call it a feature of the site, it's content provided by the site staff on a scheduled basis.

Quote
The site is family friendly. The forum is most definitely adult, and not because of one Sunday post. I see quite a few threads I wouldn't think people would want their kids reading.
Our forumers are mostly adults, but are the forums intended to be adult only?  Ron doesn't like excessive swearing or nipples, so there's a line somewhere.  I don't remember anything in the forum registration asking if I was over 18.

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Do we really judge websites by their forums? I love Gamspot, can't stand their forums. Same with Penny Arcade. I could probably find another 100 examples. These threads have nothing to do with the front page, and I think it's safe to say they never will. In fact hopefully soon we will be able to comment on the front page on articles without even entering the forums.
You wouldn't think any differently of Gamespot if they opened up a forum section to submit amateur porn?  Of course a site owner is responsible for what they allow in their forums, don't be silly.  There's a reason Ron has a code of conduct and moderators enforcing it.  You yourself posted in ATB's original thread that you thought "a dedicated skin forum would reflect on the GT site itself."  My similar opinion is that a skin thread posted on a regular basis by the site owner reflects on the GT site itself.

Quote
Anyway, the poll is pretty clear, the vast majority like the threads, or just ignore it.
So the majority of people who have not been driven away by the locker mentality have voted that a locker mentality will not drive them away.  That's pretty convincing.

Again, I don't personally have a problem with the threads.  I look at them, as do I look at the NSFW round robin thread at OO.  The difference is that OO is just trying to be a hangout, not a professional gaming site.  IGN is a gaming site with a Babes Channel, and I do think that makes IGN more of a Maxim style gaming site.  Gamespot, as far as I know, does not have a section for girly pictures, and sure enough, to me that makes them more professional.
9583  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sunday Skin Poll(redux) - Does it really belong here? on: June 15, 2007, 01:37:05 AM
I don't understand why it's so hard for some people to even comprehend the point of view of people who don't find Sunday Skin appropriate.  Would you be also be okay if a mod posted a weekly erotic story?  You don't have to click on it, they're just words, etc.  Is it really so difficult to see how a weekly, "Hey guys, let's get aroused together!" thread is different than a thread talking about games with guns, or how wanting softcore porn left out of a gaming forum is different than being offended by the human body?

I mean jeez, I'm pro-choice but it's not exactly a struggle to at least see where the pro-life people are coming from.

For the record, I'm not personally offended by the skin, it just seems unprofessional to have as a site-sponsored weekly feature.  It's a step away from having a "Babes of the Week" button on the front page.  If Ron wants the place to feel more like Maxim, I guess it's appropriate, I just always got the impression he wanted the site to be fairly family friendly.
9584  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [ds] etrian odyssey impressions on: June 14, 2007, 08:51:30 PM
You folks still playing this?

I was chugging along at a great pace until I finally unlocked the Hexer.   My plan was to unlock both Ronin and Hexer and then powerlevel them at the same time before continuing on deeper in the labyrinth, but I only got them to level 15 or so before I got bogged down in the grind and lost my incentive to play.  I think my DS has been in sleep mode for almost a week now (plugged in) with my poor adventurers stuck frozen in mid-fight, but I'd rather play Forza at home and I've gotten back to reading books on the subway.

I should probably just forget about the Ronin & Hexer and continue on with my original party so I can finish the game, but even that route is hard after losing my momentum with the game.
9585  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Has MS Finally Changed 360 Cooling? on: June 14, 2007, 05:35:39 PM

Quote from: mikeg on June 14, 2007, 05:19:36 PM

Personally, I think with them K N O W I N G it is a design flaw they should replace EVERY system that is not set up the new way.  Cuz make no mistake about it, they will die. 

To do anything else, imo, is criminal.   If not, they will never get my money again that's for damn sure.

Man on plane: A new console built by my company plays a game somewhere rendering at 60fps. The GPU overheats. The system crashes and burns with every Live download trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of consoles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.

Woman in next seat: Are there a lot of these kinds of failures?

Man on plane: You wouldn't believe.

Woman in next seat: Which console company do you work for?

Man on plane: A major one.
9586  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Has MS Finally Changed 360 Cooling? on: June 14, 2007, 03:36:33 PM
I think the idea is that it intentionally overheats your system in order to expand some of the contacts that have come loose from their solder and get them to reconnect.
9587  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: [Forza 2] Thoughts, Questions, and Suggestions for Forza 2 Multiplayer... on: June 14, 2007, 03:18:16 PM
You know, I just thought of a better way we could do some kind of driving lessons in the game.  If you're in a multiplayer lobby, but dont' join the race, I think you can go in to spectate the live race, right?  And I believe you can even pull up the telemetry to see the steering and gas/brake inputs the driver is doing.  Since you can still use voice communication from the lobby, this method would let the tutors give live advice and comments right from the back seat.


Another idea I've tossed around for how to make multiplayer more fun for all is the idea of a handicap system to let the beginner drivers be able to compete with the more experienced drivers.

Couple ways we could do this:

Set PI handicap.  If we plan to have a D400 race, the experienced drivers have to stick to the 400 limit, but the less experienced drivers would be allowed a PI handicap of an extra 30, 50, 70 PI, or whatever seems a fair boost for each person to bring them in line with the front of the pack.  They could keep the handicap through events (and tweak the amount as they get better), so that with a 50 PI handicap they'd know to bring a C450 for a D400 race, a B600 for a C550 race, and so on.

Handicap based on lap times.  This would take some extra planning, but basically we get some of the more experienced drivers to post their best lap times for a certain course, like Sunset Peninsula, and then the less experienced drivers are allowed to add whatever upgrades they need to get close to that lap time.  Someone might really need a tire upgrade that results in them bringing a B-class car to a D-class event, but if they end up having a similar lap time then the class difference won't be an issue.

As far as the settings the race host would use to allow for this, it would be as simple as allowing all cars, and having everyone in the room just agree on what class race they were doing next, self policing their car choices.

It might take some tweaking to make this feel fair to all, but I think it would let the "back of the pack" folks have a more exciting chance for first place, while giving the "front of the pack" folks a bigger challenge.
9588  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Forza 2 tips and tricks on: June 14, 2007, 03:05:28 PM
Booo.  I mean, you get cash for beating AI in single player, why not give it for beating AI in multiplayer as well.  I don't see how it would break the game, it's not like it would turn into some cash farming exploit. Even if I win an 8-person multiplayer race my winnings are still going to be well short of the $25k or so I can get from the early Professional races with the difficulty and rarity bonuses.  So why not let the last place human still get some prize money if they beat some AI cars?

Ah well.
9589  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Good news for XBOX 360 dogfighting lovers (not that kind of dogfighting) on: June 14, 2007, 02:30:13 PM

Quote from: Purge on June 14, 2007, 02:01:55 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on March 21, 2007, 03:38:18 PM

Not to mention Fable 2, which seems to be shaping up to be some kind of dog simulator...

By that logic, so was Bards Tale, and Dungeon Hack. retard

Eh?  Back in March, when I made that post, we had just been told that the dog in Fable 2 would replace the minimap, would not be controllable, would attack enemies for us, be trainable Black & White style, would morph good/evil Black & White style, would feature advanced AI, and allow us to experience love.  The joke's not quite as appropriate these three months later.
9590  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Forza 2 tips and tricks on: June 14, 2007, 01:02:05 PM
I could be remembering it wrong, but when you're given a long list of tire brands to choose from, aren't the first few high on grip and reaction but low on longevity?

Regarding multiplayer races:  Does adding CPU opponents affect the prize amount at all?  If someone gets last place among the humans, but manages to beat 4 CPU opponents, do they get some cash reward or still zero?
9591  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Wii vs. Guitar Hero II - the non-gamers decide on: June 13, 2007, 08:40:07 PM

Quote from: Dimmona on June 13, 2007, 08:27:34 PM

So there you go - different strokes for different folks I guess.  Out of all the games we tried, I never imagined that the one thing they would get completely hooked on would be the stupid Warioware Darts game.

Non-gamers are hard to predict.  Out of all my numerous failed attempts to get my fiancee to try various games that seemed very approachable, she ended up really liking Indigo Prophecy of all things without any nudging from me.

I'm surprised your friends didn't go for Tennis or Bowling, those two usualyl seem to go over well when I introduce people to the Wii.
9592  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sunday Skin Poll(redux) - Does it really belong here? on: June 13, 2007, 08:05:20 PM
"I feel like they don't belong here" is given a neutral rating, and is on par with the "Meh, I don't care" option?
9593  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Prince of Persia Classic: Anyone Get it? on: June 13, 2007, 06:01:05 PM

Quote from: Purge on June 13, 2007, 05:50:41 PM

Ooo, they need a redux of Out Of this World.

[/derail]

They have a version with updated visuals on the PC, for a whole dollar less than PoP Classic!

[rerail]
9594  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Prince of Persia Classic: Anyone Get it? on: June 13, 2007, 05:41:16 PM

Quote from: Gratch on June 13, 2007, 05:34:59 PM

Was considering it, but $10 is pretty steep for something that I'll probably spend a couple hours with at the most.

Yeah, $10 for what is almost by definition a one hour game is a bit rough, but nostalgia reigns supreme on this one.  Unless I hear reports of control issues (one of those euro-reviews mentioned you can't use the d-pad for the game) it's just a question of when I tire out from Forza enough to want a diversion.
9595  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Car porn (Forza 2) on: June 13, 2007, 04:10:54 PM
GAH.  Getting tempted by the Microsoft Wheel.  Gogamer's at $100, but with shipping it'd be $115, meaning it would just be another $15 to have instant gratification buying it at a B&M store, so $130 it would be.

Pros:
Fun - I'm loving Forza, wheel would add to the enjoyment and immersion
Drifting - I think it'd be fun to learn how to do in a sim, and although I'm getting better at it with the gamepad, the ability to more precisely countersteer with the wheel would make it much more doable.
Future usefulness - At some point I'll be buying DiRT, and rally racing is just incredible with force feedback.  Other racing games sure to follow.

Cons:
Empty wallet - I really shouldn't be spending another $130 on a peripheral.
Build issues - Accidentally downshifting twice instead of once doesn't sound fun.
Mortality - Fiancee will kill me.

DO WANT
9596  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Forza 2 tips and tricks on: June 13, 2007, 02:34:32 PM
Weird, I don't think I've noticed any reduced handling on the last laps of an 8+ lap race.  Are you guys using upgraded tires?  I don't think I've had the high end racing slicks on any of the cars I've raced 8+ laps with, but I would think that even those would last much longer than 6 laps.
9597  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Going hiking in Southern California on: June 13, 2007, 02:02:09 PM
I don't think you're going to find the experience as intimidating as you seem to think it might be.  California has an excellent State Park system.  Unless you're planning on going backpacking or climbing a summit, you'll do just fine even with just a pair of sneakers, a few granola bars, and a bottle of water.  Just go your own pace, stay hydrated, and you'll do just fine.
9598  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Forza 2: COOL CAR PIC'S....... on: June 12, 2007, 10:55:28 PM
Move over Ferrari, go home Lamborghini, there's a new beauty in town.  I give you, my Plymouth Barracuda:





 dude
9599  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Forza 2 tips and tricks on: June 12, 2007, 08:47:34 PM

Quote from: Geezer on June 12, 2007, 08:20:02 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on June 12, 2007, 03:47:41 PM


Quote from: juniordan on June 12, 2007, 02:10:20 PM

Whats the Fix [to understeer]??
To reduce understeer, raise front tire pressure/lower rear
'cept the bolded part is backwards slywink
Woops, fixed it above.
9600  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Car porn (Forza 2) on: June 12, 2007, 06:40:02 PM
I have got to remember to take a picture of my AWESOME ghetto Plymouth Barracuda that looks like something you'd find eternally resting on cinder blocks on someone's driveway.  Its overall color is a hideous late 60s green, but the front left fender and right door are colored primer.  It's got rust behind most of the wheel wells and on the roof, some bullet holes on the hood and one door, "WASH ME" written in dirt on the trunk, and a spraypainted "JOE WAS HERE" graffiti on one side.  It's a thing of beauty.
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