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9401  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sunday Skin Poll(redux) - Does it really belong here? on: June 22, 2007, 01:54:40 AM

Quote from: mytocles on June 14, 2007, 07:16:12 AM

However - and this is on me really  -  I also tend to associate the Sun-Skin post with the other one that is punctuated by rather slutty pictures (um... part of the title is Having Fun, I think?)  On that one, I got as far as the splayed naked woman on the car hood, and just wasn't much interested in visiting that thread again.  It is my own linking of the two - and disinterest in the Sunday WOMEN's Skin topic that has led me to conclude that the locker room isn't always for me.

Quote from: mytocles on June 15, 2007, 05:35:32 PM

Here is an exercise to try:  go to the This is Fun thread, locate the naked female splayed on the car hood - and show it to your wife, girlfriend, female co-worker, or sister.  Ask her what she thinks about a professional forum with pictures such as that.  I went to that site, thinking of finding some Fun Fotos... and I would have enjoyed going beyond that picture, if I hadn't been totally offended by it.  I am not a prude, that was not the issue for me. Some men will disagree, but I felt that the picture represented the whole "demeaning of women" gig. Yeah, I was in college when the whole Women's Libber thing happened, but many people - not just me - agree that women should be treated with more respect than that.  And people, men or women, who are disrespected, often enough, would likely not hang around for very long.

So we've got mytocles, a long time Gone Gold/Console Gold/Gaming Trend reader, who posts that she was so offended by a picture in the "This is Fun" thread that she didn't want to read past the first page.  So offended that when we're talking about the Sunday Skin posts, she recalls this car hood picture from another thread as a perfect example of a demeaning picture that could drive away someone such as herself.

And then someone goes and bumps the three year old picture up with the latest postings in the thread.

If people want to mock my arguments in this thread or in the latest Sunday Skin, fine, whatever, I can take it.  But I see the picture bump in the "This is Fun" thread as a big F.U. to mytocles, and anyone who might share her opinion.  As a forum we're saying that women should not only expect and tolerate the locker room mentality, but if they bring up something that's particularly offensive to them we're going to shove it in their faces? 

If the forum considers this an acceptable way to treat not just a hypothetical female demographic, but an actual female forumer who's been an active poster for years, I guess I should start including myself in the demographic that's being driven away by the locker room mentality.
9402  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: DiRT [360/PS3/PC] Impressions on: June 21, 2007, 07:38:24 PM

Quote from: Calvin on June 21, 2007, 07:26:20 PM

Quote from: Brendan on June 21, 2007, 06:41:55 PM

Quote from: Calvin on June 21, 2007, 06:08:06 PM

Don't get me started again on how awesome it is to have VOICE HELP for every freaking part of the interface.

y cant calven read?

What are you talking about dude? I'm agreeing completely will bullwinkle, and reiterating the same points I made earlier.
CliffsNotes:
"Really excited about voice help!"
"Ha u need voice cus can't reeed!"
9403  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What's Bioware doing? Oh yeah. A Sonic RPG. Yeah... ok... on: June 21, 2007, 06:09:23 PM
I think of Mario Bros. and I can picture Goombas, Koopa Troopers, Shy Guys, those Ninja guys, Hammer Bros., the list of memorable characters goes on and on.  I think of Sonic and all I can picture are coins and loop-de-loops, the course layouts basically, and this is coming from someone who grew up owning a Genesis and a Game Gear instead of a SNES and a Gameboy. 

I'm looking through Wikipedia's list of Sonic characters, and I can only recognize about a half dozen of them.
9404  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Maybe Sony pushing Blu-Ray through the PS3 wasn't so crazy after all... on: June 21, 2007, 05:54:16 PM

Quote from: unbreakable on June 21, 2007, 05:46:55 PM

If Blu-Ray succeeds as a format, I doubt the PS3 will have anything to do with it.  It sounds more like Blu-Ray may succeed more out of backroom negotiations with key players (Blockbuster, movie studios, manufacturers, etc).  The only thing is, those deals are going to cut into any financial windfall Sony may reap from "winning"... kind of like the "even if they win they lose" console war they are currently engaged in.

If Blu-Ray movies are currently keeping pace with or outselling HD-DVD movies, and 1.4 out of the 1.5 million Blu-Ray players are PS3s, I don't see how you could argue that the PS3 had little to no influence.  If the 1.4 million PS3 owners on average buy just one movie each, the 0.1 million stand-alone owners would each have to buy 14 movies to have the same effect.
9405  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Do you exercise? on: June 21, 2007, 05:38:00 PM

Quote from: warning on June 21, 2007, 04:27:02 PM

I really like the idea of swimming but I don't and probably never will have a decent sized pool.  That means I have to pay someplace a membership fee, leave my house and drive there, workout, shower and change and come back home.  There's just too many loopholes for me to ever make that a consistent habit.

Ain't that the truth.  It's hard enough for me to get to my gym sometimes, and it's right across the street from my apartment. 
9406  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: A great POTBS overview on: June 21, 2007, 03:59:18 PM
There's a drawing for 200 beta accounts going on at warcry.  Some new information on the official website regarding the mechanics of ship combat, and it looks like a listing of ship types, but I haven't had a chance to browse those articles yet.

Hope this game's still on track to be released soon, is the release date still just "sometime after June?"
9407  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Do you exercise? on: June 21, 2007, 02:31:52 PM
I was on a great exercise routine early this year, then slacked off for a few months.  I'm back on track now:

Strength training 2-3 times a week, alternating upper+core and lower+core, with a 1 mile jog on the treadmill as a warm-up.

Jogging 3-4 times a week, mostly 2-3 miles with one 4-5 mile "long run"

Swimming tossed in every now and then as cross-training.

My main focus now is working up my cardio health and gradually increasing my weekly mileage and so I can more easily go longer distances.  I've got my sights on a half-marathon in October.  I have a 12 week training schedule that I'm planning to follow that starts on July 17th with 3-4 mile runs on week one, so I'm ahead of schedule.
9408  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Wii Internet is Pay to Play on June 30th? on: June 21, 2007, 02:20:52 PM

Quote from: Calvin on June 21, 2007, 01:44:27 PM

If you ever find yourself using the browser for more than novelty or a very quick trip to check your mail, let us know.
I use the Internet Channel on the Wii, and I have my regular PC on a desk just behind my couch, and a HTPC hooked to my TV that has a keyboard with a built in touchpad.

The Wii boots up faster than the regular PC, and it's easier to just grab the Wii remote on the coffee table than it is to go grab the HTPC keyboard that's next to the TV.  Besides that, the Wii browser's zoom function does a much better job of making things legible on my SD TV than simply enlarging the text on Firefox with the HTPC.  The Wii is also my preferred way to look up guitar tabs.  It's awkward to play the guitar at my regular PC, and the Wii does a better job at blocking the myriad of pop-ups on the tablature websites than Firefox.

I wouldn't want to type a post like this one with the Wii remote, but for typing URLs or a few words here and there into a search box it works great.  I mean, the Wii remote is pretty much equivalent to having a mouse.  Imagine if you had a picture of a keyboard on your screen and you had to use the mouse to point and click to spell out a URL.  Slower than a keyboard, for sure, but I'll bet you could click the word out pretty fast.
9409  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Wii Internet is Pay to Play on June 30th? on: June 21, 2007, 01:38:02 PM

Quote from: Jag on June 21, 2007, 01:27:29 PM

How do you download Opera. I've barely played around with the Wii internet controls at all. (I have a PC for that biggrin)
Go to the Shopping Channel, then err...Wii Utilities or something?  It'll be called the Internet Channel.
9410  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Wii Internet is Pay to Play on June 30th? on: June 21, 2007, 01:16:49 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on June 21, 2007, 12:53:20 PM

Quote from: Calvin on June 21, 2007, 12:15:09 PM

Why in the world do you want to use opera on your Wii? Can you download stuff from the net like you can on a PS3? Does the Wii have mouse/kb compatibility to making surfing useful (which it is only barely on the PS3, and I think its fair to say the differences in systems has been convered). What's the real point here? And of course, why is Nintendo bilking you people out of 5$ is another good question.

The pointer works pretty well (the controller even does a slight rumble when you pass over hyperlinks). 

And while it's of course nowhere near as fast as a real keyboard, pointing and clicking at an onscreen keyboard to type is loads faster than using a d-pad or an analog stick.
9411  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: DiRT [360/PS3/PC] Impressions on: June 20, 2007, 11:53:34 PM
How good is the navigator in the rally mode?  Helpful and not annoying?
9412  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [DS] Sim City Impressions on: June 20, 2007, 11:51:01 PM
If the game tiles really are the same size as the stylus tip, I'd say it's more the fault of the game designer than the DS.  The stylus was plenty accurate for me on Ouendan when I had to rapidly hit tiny (but not too tiny!) dots all over the place on insane difficulty.

I hope it's just a case of a reviewer being nitpicky.
9413  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [DS] Sim City Impressions on: June 20, 2007, 10:47:52 PM
Very curious about this one.  It seems like a perfect match for the DS, but I too have been scared by the early reviews.
9414  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Car porn (Forza 2) on: June 20, 2007, 10:46:29 PM
A 5 liter V8 is a closer match to the rally cars than a 2.4L turbo 4-cylinder engine?  You're crazy.  icon_biggrin  It may be front wheel drive, but wasn't the whole point of the SRT-4 to go after the market interested in WRXs and Evos?

I'll give the Mustang a try, though, I'm open minded. smile
9415  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Car porn (Forza 2) on: June 20, 2007, 05:59:02 PM
I'm always up for multiplayer, but it seems like we haven't been meeting critical mass these days.

I've come to the realization that I just don't care for the American cars in the game.  I needed something for a B-class North America only series, and I just couldn't find any cars that interested me.  I ended up cheating by using an Acura NSX, an American branded Japanese car trying to be an Italian car doesn't seem like what they had in mind for the race.  smile

As I'm typing this I'm realizing I should've given the Dodge Neon a try since I like the WRX and the Evo so much.
9416  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Look at them guests! on: June 19, 2007, 05:08:53 PM
I agree with your point and/or observation, mytocles Gaming Trend Senior Member Online.  Have you tried any refreshing Coca-Cola products recently?  I find them a perfect match for Simple Machines Forum Gaming Trend Forum - Index.
9417  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 on the 360 on: June 19, 2007, 03:31:39 PM

Quote from: DamageInc on June 19, 2007, 03:23:46 PM

What if it was designed only for the PC but had built in options for using the 360 pad?

Just something to think about.
I wouldn't bet much money on them designing a UI to fit the 360 controller and then not releasing the game on the 360.
9418  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Has MS Finally Changed 360 Cooling? on: June 19, 2007, 03:24:50 PM
My 360 is coming up on its one year birthday, I'm almost tempted to intentionally make it overheat so I can send it in and get the new heatsink installed under warranty.
9419  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (6/18) on: June 19, 2007, 02:42:57 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on June 19, 2007, 02:39:40 PM

when did dirt start whoring himself out?  icon_wink

I don't know, but I'm thinking rental instead of purchase.
9420  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Manhunt 2 banned in UK on: June 19, 2007, 02:41:51 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on June 19, 2007, 02:35:04 PM

The game being banned in Germany is no big surprise, same for Australia.  Does the PS3 have PAL and NTSC versions?  cause if not I hear it's region free.....

There are PAL and NTSC versions, I would guess they'd be region free (when the publisher allows it) for games but not for movies.
9421  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Look at them guests! on: June 19, 2007, 02:34:30 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on June 19, 2007, 02:28:44 PM

Quote from: ROTC1983 on June 19, 2007, 12:14:38 PM

From what was said, it seems a lot of the guests are bots...

you're a bot!  Tongue
That is absurd of CeeKay Gaming Trend Senior Member Online to say, $suspectedbotname is clearly a valued member of Simple Machines Forum Gaming Trend - Index.
9422  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Manhunt 2 banned in UK on: June 19, 2007, 02:31:31 PM

Quote from: Clay on June 19, 2007, 02:26:16 PM

Or, to put it another way, NTSC is 29.97 frames/second and PAL is 24 frames/second (based on the cinema). . .
(with 20% more vertical resolution)
9423  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: 172 guests... on: June 19, 2007, 02:19:25 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on June 19, 2007, 02:13:13 PM

What is this "web" of which you speak?
9424  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Manhunt 2 banned in UK on: June 19, 2007, 01:51:25 PM

Quote from: papasmurff on June 19, 2007, 01:45:51 PM

I know that I am kinda a noob in this respect but what does PAL mean??

NTSC and PAL are two different video formats for television.  NTSC is used in the US, Canada, Mexico, and Japan.  PAL is used in Europe, South America, and Australia.
9425  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Sony] Blockbuster chooses Blu-ray on: June 19, 2007, 01:45:22 PM
From reading about this, it doesn't seem like Blockbuster is so much trying to influence the market as it is reacting.  They're not siding with Blu-Ray because they want Blu-Ray to win, they're siding with Blu-Ray because for them it was renting less terribly than HD-DVD, which hasn't been renting at all.
9426  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer impressions on: June 19, 2007, 01:03:46 AM
Woah, Edward Norton as Bruce Banner?  Color me intrigued.
9427  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Pet Peeve: Double clicking on: June 18, 2007, 02:51:55 AM
This drives me crazy as well.  It doesn't help that their belief in the need for double clicking gets reinforced by their clumsy clicking.  They'll try a single click, but miss the link or button.  When they then mouse over it properly, they double click, and viola!  It works!  Must be because of the double clicking!
9428  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Forza 2: COOL CAR PIC'S....... on: June 18, 2007, 12:10:38 AM
Someone at Qt3 was curious to see how my Autobot logo method differed from him, so I did a shot of both my Autobot logo deconstructed and my Skull from PvP deconstructed:

Autobot logo, with the left half kept together:





Skull:


9429  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mario Party 8 on: June 17, 2007, 11:15:05 PM
Played it for the first time with my fiancee and another couple last night.  We had a lot of fun, but our main complaint was that they didn't have us playing minigames enough.  We had to move our pieces around the game for what seemed like 5-6 minutes before we could have a brief 30 second minigame at the end of the round.  We only played the Monopoly style map where you invest in hotels, so I don't know if the other boards bring in more minigames.

After that we had some fun spending time just playing minigames freeform, but of course we wished we had more of them unlocked.  Overall I think we all agreed the 3 on 1 games were the most fun, it's really fun to all team up against someone.

So thumbs up from us, but it'd be a lot better if the boardgame moved faster so we didn't have to wait so long between minigames.
9430  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Forza 2: COOL CAR PIC'S....... on: June 17, 2007, 09:56:29 PM
This just in, PeteRock sighted in local suburb!

9431  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Friday Night Gears of War (6/15/07)... on: June 16, 2007, 04:30:19 PM
Thanks for the invites, wish I had the game. frown
9432  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 3 Trailer on: June 16, 2007, 03:07:37 AM
Looks good to me, and hallelujah no scaled encounters!
9433  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Anyone here know anything about Little Italy restuarants? on: June 15, 2007, 09:00:45 PM

Quote from: Darkstar One on June 15, 2007, 08:50:28 PM

Stupid question--what are these "street hawkers"?
Pigeons are considered good eating in Italy, so as a carry-over from the old world in a lot of Little Italy districts around America you can find people who still train hawks to hunt down pigeons and bring them back for the hawker to roast.  As Tebunker said, it's very fun to pit two hawkers against each other for your business, you can see some pretty impressive aerial maneuvers as the birds try to beat each other to the kill.

Or maybe Tebunker's just talking about people who stand in the doorway yelling to draw people in, one or the other.
9434  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sunday Skin Poll(redux) - Does it really belong here? on: June 15, 2007, 07:14:01 PM

Quote from: Lee on June 15, 2007, 06:33:46 PM

If KD stops, then Corruptrelic may take over the duties. Do any of us want that? slywink

Ok, I retract everything I said on page 1. slywink
9435  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sunday Skin Poll(redux) - Does it really belong here? on: June 15, 2007, 04:11:14 PM
Why are you still on the "live with or leave it" angle?  The skin threads don't bother me, I look at them, I don't have a problem with them.

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on June 14, 2007, 02:43:48 PM

I'm interested in seeing how this plays out.  I'll give it to this Sunday and we'll see then. 
But clearly Ron's interested in at least examining the issue.  I would wager that he's more interested in hearing people's thoughts for and against the issue than he is in just throwing up a poll and going with the winner.

Quote from: Blackadar on June 15, 2007, 03:39:38 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on June 15, 2007, 03:29:27 PM

Consider, in your ardent faith in the word of the poll, that Turtle, who initiated this round of discussion about whether the skin posts are turning away, said that he likes them.

So depending on whether he and I voted for option 1, option 2, or option 1 and 2, we could've added 2-6 "poll points" towards keeping them as-is, despite both thinking that they might be turning away the female demographic.

I guess this is a TV show now.  Do you know what the "female demographic" consists of?  And do we take a worse ratings hit by removing any/all offensive threads or by keeping them?  Let's hire Gallup to find out!

If you're going to post again, answer this - is the argument that Sunday Skin - and NSFW threads like it - are too offensive, or is it that Ron's posting these the problem?  It's either one or the other.  Define the issue, please.

The female demographic consists of females who may be interested in gaming forum, or just an off-topic forum with people they relate to.  And I don't know if removing skin threads will make us gain more people than we lose, I thought that was the whole point of Turtle bringing up the discussion.

And as for your ultimatum, I think the issue at hand is whether threads full of skin pictures make the site less welcoming to women.  As a point in the discussion of that issue, I personally think that if the skin threads are coming from the site staff on a regular basis, it sets more of an example than if it's just a forumer posting the thread.
9436  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sunday Skin Poll(redux) - Does it really belong here? on: June 15, 2007, 03:29:27 PM
The poll has spoken, live with it or leave?  Is that what we've come to?  Did you miss the part where I'm not offended by the skin threads?

Consider, in your ardent faith in the word of the poll, that Turtle, who initiated this round of discussion about whether the skin posts are turning away, said that he likes them.

So depending on whether he and I voted for option 1, option 2, or option 1 and 2, we could've added 2-6 "poll points" towards keeping them as-is, despite both thinking that they might be turning away the female demographic.
9437  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sunday Skin Poll(redux) - Does it really belong here? on: June 15, 2007, 02:53:22 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 15, 2007, 01:57:03 PM

Quote from: Laner on June 15, 2007, 01:26:28 PM


Maybe you missed the part where the site owner doesn't start all those threads you mentioned on a weekly basis.

Maybe you missed the part where it's the site owner and he can do any damn thing he wants.

Sorry, I find the whole "Ron should censor himself even more than the average poster here" argument beyond bewildering.  You'd have a much stronger argument that perhaps the threads themselves should be outside the CoC.  But to suggest that the site owner shouldn't have the same permissions (almost used the word "rights", but then we'd get into the whole "there are no rights on a private forum sidetrack) as a normal user is ludicrous.

Of course he can do whatever he wants.  He can turn Gaming Trend into a full-on thumbnail gallery porn site if he wants to.  But what does he want to do with the site?  What does he want people to come here for?

Is he ok with the forumers in the Off-Topic forum keeping five threads of non-nude skin threads bumped up to the top, a picture post thread each for five different fetishes?  Instead of just Sunday Skin, can the forumers start a regular skin thread each day of the week?

I'm guessing you might think those examples are absurd. 

There's a line, of course, and yours is probably drawn to where one or two skin threads at a time is ok, but 5 is getting a bit carried away.  For other people, the line is drawn a lot sooner--just one skin thread at a time gives the forum too much of a men's club vibe.

So there's two questions:
1) Does this place have too much of a locker room vibe, where half-nude pictures and sexist comments (like mytocles mentioned) are getting thrown around enough to drive away potential forumers?
2) Do we care?
9438  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: IGN gives DiRT an 8.4 on: June 15, 2007, 01:37:11 PM

Quote from: ATB on June 15, 2007, 01:26:41 PM

Quote from: Misguided on June 15, 2007, 02:30:07 AM

30 is plenty, if consistent.
60 dropping to 45 isn't that bad. 30 dropping to 15 is a big problem.

How does one tell what the framerate is?

I hear guys on podcasts say it was running at a smooth 60 fps. How do you check that?

I just count them real fast.
9439  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Come on down! It's Bob Barker's final show! on: June 15, 2007, 01:36:39 PM

Quote from: Destructor on June 15, 2007, 01:11:57 PM

I also agree that TPiR is Bob's show. I just don't see how it can go on without his dedication and energy.

Folks may not remember it, but there was a short lived attempt to bring TPiR to prime time with a different host.  IIRC, they had much bigger prizes, the format was tweaked slightly (I seem to remember they even stuffed it into a half hour timeslot), and I think it failed after only a month or two.

I can't see how the show could succeed without him, but then again I'm sure a lot of people didn't see how the Tonight Show could have gone on without Johnny.  I'll be very curious to see how the new host handles his first day on the job.

Also, I think it'd be awesome if Bob Barker took advantage of his retirement and did what a lot of other folks his age do...be in the audience of the Price is Right!
9440  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Come on down! It's Bob Barker's final show! on: June 15, 2007, 04:59:52 AM
Whew, it looks like the 2nd showing is at 8pm.  It snuck up on me and my DVR is currently out of commission, glad I can still catch it in prime time.

I can't believe I missed my chance to see a taping.  The one time I tried to go with some friends, we got to the studio at 6:30am but there were already too many people line.
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