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10081  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Wii idiia: Descent on: December 02, 2006, 04:05:33 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 02, 2006, 03:52:02 PM

I was rooting through some old t-shirts today and found one for Forsaken.  Who cares, but it occurred to me: How great would it be to revive the Descent series on the Wii?  What made Descent fun was the relatively new experience of moving your ship in full 3D with the mouse.  Imagine that with a Wii controller.  YES!

There's an entire generation that hasn't had the opportunity to get motion sickness from Descent!

I was immune to the effects, but it was hilarious how many of my friends had to look away from the monitor for a bit after playing the game for a few minutes.
10082  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Motorstorm - The Real PS3 Killer App! on: December 02, 2006, 03:55:21 PM

Quote from: The Grue on December 02, 2006, 03:24:59 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on December 02, 2006, 03:17:53 PM

I know these are numbers on sales and not directly tied to system sales, but if any game that's going to be called a system seller is going to have to appear near the top of the sales charts, and few games come close to Gran Turismo.

This is the problem.  We can't say that just because a game sold the most on a system that means it sold systems itself.  It could just be that the majority of people who owned the system happened to buy that game.  This is why you would need to try to see if you could correlate a spike in hardware sales with the release of one of the GTs.

It's inconsequential for a title to be a "system seller" if it didn't sell a lot of systems.  If Shaq-Fu sold 5,000 copies and every single buyer bought a Playstation along with it, it won't count as a "system seller" since 5k Playstations is a drop in the bucket.

With 10.5 million units sold, if only one in four copies of Gran Turismo were bought along with a PSX, that's more PSXs sold than if every single copy of Resident Evil (2.5M) sold a system.  If at worst Gran Turismo only sold a PSX in one in five sales, that's still more PSXs than if every single copy of Tomb Raider 1 (1.8M) sold a system.

However you slice it, if any game is going to be a system seller in any meaningful definition, it's going to be a game with a lot of sales.

edit: but I do agree that it would be more meaningful if we could see a graph of PSX and PS2 sales over the years and months.  My point is just that with Gran Turismo's enormous number of sales, it's hard to imagine a scenario in which the game did not move a significant number of consoles.
10083  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Motorstorm - The Real PS3 Killer App! on: December 02, 2006, 03:17:53 PM
Is it really in dispute that Gran Turismo sold systems?

From good old Wikipedia

Top 5 selling games for the PS1:
Gran Turismo (10.5 million)
Final Fantasy VII (8.6 million)
Gran Turismo 2 (8.5 million)
Metal Gear Solid (6.6 million)
Final Fantasy VIII (6 million)

The original outsold Final Fantasy VII, the sequel almost matched Final Fantasy, and after Metal Gear and FFVIII no other game came close to Gran Turismo's sales.


Top 6 selling games for the PS2:
Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (13 million, 7 million in US only)
Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (12 million)
Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (11 million, 3.8 million in US only)
Grand Theft Auto III (11 million)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (7 million, 2 million in US only)
Final Fantasy X (4 million, 2.3 million in US only)

Gran Turismo held its own with the Grand Theft Auto behemoth, stayed ahead of Metal Gear Solid, and embarrased even Final Fantasy.  (Are those numbers for Final Fantasy really on the mark?  They're hard to believe.)

I know these are numbers on sales and not directly tied to system sales, but if any game that's going to be called a system seller is going to have to appear near the top of the sales charts, and few games come close to Gran Turismo.
10084  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: So, my non-gaming parents played a Wii... on: December 02, 2006, 02:42:36 PM

Quote from: Misguided on November 30, 2006, 03:28:06 AM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on November 30, 2006, 03:18:42 AM

And besides Wii Sports, can you see any of those people purchasing another game for the system? 

That's the question that's been on my mind.

Wii Play isn't too far in the future, and should appeal in the same way as Wii Sports, not to mention it'll add another controller to further ensure that people are bringing in their friends and family.

Remember, this "new market" is not like us.  While we might balk at Wii Play if it gets 60-70% reviews, the new market won't even see the review.  These people go by word of mouth, advertising, talking with the store employee, and what box cover looks neat.  These are the people you see in EB shopping for their niece or nephew and reading the back cover of games we know you shouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.

These people also don't care about gaming dry spells like we do.  They're not going to need or want to buy new games as often as we do.  Even if we only see one Brain Age/Nintendogs/Wii Sports/Wii Play title every 2 months, that schedule is already going to be outpacing some of the purchasing habits of this new audience.  Many of these people are going to be perfectly content if they have nothing other than Wii Sports to keep them busy until March.
10085  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Motorstorm - The Real PS3 Killer App! on: December 02, 2006, 02:20:52 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on December 02, 2006, 02:05:56 PM

Quote from: Hetz on December 02, 2006, 01:57:41 PM

Quote from: The Grue on December 02, 2006, 01:36:35 PM

Sorry, but racing games aren't the system sellers you seem to think they are.  You fail at creating hype.  Good day, sir.

Gran Turismo says Hi.

Next!



2001 says Hi.

This is not 2001.



If didn't have a 360 by the time Forza 2 came out, I would without a doubt buy one for Forza 2.  Er, uh...says hi?
10086  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Motorstorm - The Real PS3 Killer App! on: December 02, 2006, 05:36:49 AM

Quote from: Kobra on December 02, 2006, 12:33:25 AM

GT4 of course!

Wow, guess I should've gotten to a few more tracks before I gave it up for Forza.
10087  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Motorstorm - The Real PS3 Killer App! on: December 02, 2006, 12:18:20 AM

Quote from: Kobra on December 01, 2006, 11:51:25 PM

The question of the day is..



Is the difference worth $500+Change at this time?

I say no, although I understand why people feel the need to justify their purchase, $600 is a good chunk of bread for a game machine.  That hit is worse to swallow when there really isn't anything earthshattering about it to brag over.

What's game is that 2nd one?
10088  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Analyst says: EA brand name 'tarnished' on: December 01, 2006, 08:10:15 PM

Quote from: Ridah on December 01, 2006, 08:01:38 PM

Quote
Total score: 14 Madden's for a Nintendo console vs. 4 Mario Kart's.

I think Madden Vs. Mario Party would be a better arguement. 6 Madden games on GC (began with 2002), 4 Mario Party games on GC (Mario Party 4-7). 4 Madden games on N64 (Madden 64, 99-01), 3 Mario Party games on N64 (Mario Party 1-3).

10 Madden games for a Nintendo console to 7 Mario Party games. Nintendo = whore too?

Did each successive Mario Party game have more new than just a roster update? slywink
10089  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gran Turismo HD cancelled. GT5 announced. on: December 01, 2006, 05:32:41 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on December 01, 2006, 04:38:46 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on December 01, 2006, 04:00:25 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on December 01, 2006, 03:45:51 PM

Quote from: Misguided on December 01, 2006, 03:20:53 PM

D'oh!

Sorry KD. I don't go to the front page most of the time.

You really really should.  Most of the time we have more news than any other site, including IGN. 

Maybe it's just ADD or something, but I find that without subheadings the column of headlines on the front page just sort of blurs together.  For me, it's just too much text in one block without any separators.  The only thing that I typically notice on the front page is the featured article at the top, simply because it has both a headline and a subheading describing the article.

I only mean this as constructive criticism, different strokes for different folks and all that.

All will be remedied shortly.  Q1 2007. smile

Can I preorder or do I have to wait in a line for 30 hours on launch day?
10090  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gran Turismo HD cancelled. GT5 announced. on: December 01, 2006, 04:00:25 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on December 01, 2006, 03:45:51 PM

Quote from: Misguided on December 01, 2006, 03:20:53 PM

D'oh!

Sorry KD. I don't go to the front page most of the time.

You really really should.  Most of the time we have more news than any other site, including IGN. 

Maybe it's just ADD or something, but I find that without subheadings the column of headlines on the front page just sort of blurs together.  For me, it's just too much text in one block without any separators.  The only thing that I typically notice on the front page is the featured article at the top, simply because it has both a headline and a subheading describing the article.

I only mean this as constructive criticism, different strokes for different folks and all that.
10091  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: I take back all the negative things I said about Elite Beat Agents. on: December 01, 2006, 12:47:19 AM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on December 01, 2006, 12:28:16 AM

Oh man, the bonus song on the hard difficulty:

Spoiler for Hiden:
Jackson 5's "ABC"

Has the downright cutest, funniest story biggrin biggrin biggrin

I don't know what the triggers are to unlock these things in the first place, but you'll find that bonus stage on the easier levels as well.   Is it tied to points?

And I don't know if you ever watched Animaniacs, but there's a recurring character that would always end up in the same kind of situation as that bonus stage.
10092  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Atlus needs to create a modern remake of Double Dragon on: November 30, 2006, 10:20:08 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on November 30, 2006, 09:19:26 PM

Double Dragon had none of the RPG elements that made RCR so good


You know what I think of your RPG elements?
BARF!
Is this fun yet?
10093  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Atlus needs to create a modern remake of Double Dragon on: November 30, 2006, 09:17:35 PM
Psh, you call River City Ransom old school?  Double Dragon predates it by 3 years.  I think Double Dragon II was out by the time River City Ransom was released.

Pansies.
10094  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Retail Adventure. on: November 30, 2006, 08:31:19 PM
I've got this sneaking suspicion that pr0ner doesn't like Kobra.

It might not be apparent at first glance (I have almost a 6th sense about this sort of thing) but if you look real close, the signs are there.
10095  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Atlus needs to create a modern remake of Double Dragon on: November 30, 2006, 05:54:03 PM

Quote from: JLu on November 30, 2006, 04:55:19 PM

I have to confess at first I just saw you calling for a remake of Double Dragon and I thought you meant the movie...
I thought everyone in the world had agreed to pretend that didn't happen.
10096  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Atlus needs to create a modern remake of Double Dragon on: November 30, 2006, 04:25:43 PM
Atlus is a good company.

Double Dragon is a loved old school franchise.

Modern remakes of loved old school franchises can be very popular, very fun, see Prince of Persia, Metroid, Ninja Gaiden.

Atlus owns the rights to the Double Dragon franchise.

Atlus needs to create a modern remake of Double Dragon.

I'd be happy with either a fancy graphics version on the 360, or a version customized to the Wii that lets you and a friend punch bad guys with the wiimote'n'chuck.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.
10097  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Did Wii break your TV? on: November 30, 2006, 03:18:02 PM

Quote from: Misguided on November 30, 2006, 03:12:12 PM

Quote
...swing the remote with all the strength you can muster...

It isn't a 14 pound bowling ball. Why is this so hard to grasp?

I don't know if your pun was intended, but it's a good one.
10098  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Did Wii break your TV? on: November 30, 2006, 03:17:11 PM

Quote from: weleavefossils on November 30, 2006, 03:04:25 PM

if people would only follow directions.

http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/wiiplay.jsp

Ohhh....you don't let go of the controller when you play.
10099  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Let's War! What's your Most Disappointing Game of the Year? on: November 30, 2006, 01:46:25 PM
Rise of Legends, almost definitely.
10100  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: my buddy just busted one of my wii-mote straps on: November 29, 2006, 11:54:44 PM

Quote from: Destructor on November 29, 2006, 11:49:35 PM

Quote from: Tebunker on November 29, 2006, 08:42:38 PM

Still wondering if Nintendo will send out replacement straps.

Well, you can buy one for $1.00 plus shipping. But odds are if you call and let them know what happened, they might replace it for free.

Not sure, but I think Tebunker is suggesting something more along the lines of a recall where they'll send out stronger straps that can handle everyone's...enthusiasm.
10101  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Optical + Component = ?? on: November 29, 2006, 11:13:11 PM
If they're all using different video inputs on your TV, what do you need the switch box for?  Just the audio? 
10102  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Optical + Component = ?? on: November 29, 2006, 10:24:19 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on November 29, 2006, 09:48:28 PM

If I run an optical cable for audio from my PS3 to my Pelican switch box, and then use Component audio/video to my TV/Surround sound, will that work?  (Or do I need to drop in another optical?)

(hope that made sense...)   retard
I think most switch boxes will only output what you stick in, so you would need to have red&white RCA audio plugs going into the Pelican if you want red&white RCA audio going out. 

For example, on my old switch box, I couldn't input s-video and use a yellow RCA video going out, it had to be the same on both sides.
10103  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: So, my non-gaming parents played a Wii... on: November 29, 2006, 10:08:21 PM

Quote from: gellar on November 29, 2006, 10:01:20 PM

Quote from: Ralph-Wiggum on November 29, 2006, 09:57:09 PM

Quote from: gellar on November 29, 2006, 09:45:39 PM

See, that's why I don't want a Wii.

Last thing I need is the girlfriend wanting to play games on my TV.  Fuck that noise.

gellar

Bacon told me he wanted a Wii. You wouldn't want to disappoint Bacon, would you?  icon_frown

Bacon would only want a Wii so he could eat it.

gellar

In Soviet Russia, bacon eat WE!
10104  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: $3300 weed whacker on: November 29, 2006, 09:32:15 PM
Now all the guy has to do is quit smoking, eat healthier, and get to the gym 3 times a week and he'll be able to shoot energy beams when he swings it.
10105  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: So... how many PS3's were bought to be resold, not played? on: November 29, 2006, 08:16:13 PM

Quote from: lokiju on November 29, 2006, 07:43:58 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on November 29, 2006, 07:02:22 PM

When the going rate for PS3s on ebay get down to $900 or so, I wonder if Sony will start bidding on them since it'd be cheaper for Sony to buy them back at $900 than to manufacture new ones to sell.

Except that by doing this they would not be creating more units but simply redirecting older ones, thus not getting as many into the hands of gamers and losing a lot more via software sales than the hardware price loss. Um, at least that made sense in my head... 
(I wasn't really serious, but...)

If Sony buys the $900 ebay PS3 and puts it back in Best Buy, that Christmas shopper who was about to spend $900 on ebay can now walk into Best Buy and instead pay just $600 to walk out with the PS3.  All for less time and money than it would take to build a PS3 from scratch to put on the Best Buy shelf!  And that Christmas shopper who paid $600 at Best Buy instead of $900 on ebay will have $300 freed up to buy games and accessories that will bring more money to Sony!
10106  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: An ATB Retrospective on: November 29, 2006, 07:57:57 PM

Quote from: LoneStarSpur on November 29, 2006, 07:51:22 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on November 29, 2006, 04:06:25 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on November 29, 2006, 02:57:02 PM

ATB, your post somehow triggered Connie Chung's rendition of "Thanks for the Memories" to start playing on repeat in my head.

THANKS

WILLIAM SHATNER SINGING 'ROCKET MAN'!!!!!!!

you can thank me later  icon_biggrin

I hate you.

The last year...flew by!
My Maury...what a guy!
10107  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: I take back all the negative things I said about Elite Beat Agents. on: November 29, 2006, 07:11:10 PM
My biggest disappointment in the Americanization of the game (other than "Help!" being a really boring distress call compared to "ou....Ou...OUENDAN!") is that the agents take transportation to the event instead of just bizarely being already-present behind school desks or in mid-slurp at a ramen bar.

Great game though, any word on how well it's selling?
10108  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: So... how many PS3's were bought to be resold, not played? on: November 29, 2006, 07:02:22 PM
When the going rate for PS3s on ebay get down to $900 or so, I wonder if Sony will start bidding on them since it'd be cheaper for Sony to buy them back at $900 than to manufacture new ones to sell.
10109  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: So, my non-gaming parents played a Wii... on: November 29, 2006, 06:55:10 PM

Quote from: Clay on November 29, 2006, 06:36:36 PM

Now, it sounds like they might want a Wii.  Isn't this exactly what Nintendo wanted the Wii to do?  Sell to parents and non-gamers?  Does anybody else have experience with non-gamers playing a Wii?

Not yet, but almost certainly in my near future.  It's been a losing battle trying to get my girlfriend interested in gaming.  Beyond having fun spectating a game here and there, or back seat driving a game like Indigo Prophecy, they just never catch her interest.

She's already said that she thinks she'd have fun with Wii Sports.

Even better, the other night she "casually" asked what kind of warranties or accessories people hypothetical would need to buy if they were to hypothetically purchase a Wii.

I'm thinking this is hypothetically going to be a very very fun Christmas Day.
10110  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: What kind of packaging do Netflix DVD's come in? on: November 29, 2006, 03:06:52 PM
More to the point of the original poster, though, how many of these unplayably scratched discs are the fault of the packaging rather than the fault of Joe Schmoe video renter who leaves the DVDs laying on the ground or in his toddler's gentle care?
10111  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Wii Search... on: November 29, 2006, 02:58:45 PM
Plus with the Japan-US conversion rate, 100,000 Japanese units a day is only 1,000 US units a day.
10112  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: An ATB Retrospective on: November 29, 2006, 02:57:02 PM
ATB, your post somehow triggered Connie Chung's rendition of "Thanks for the Memories" to start playing on repeat in my head.

THANKS
10113  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: my buddy just busted one of my wii-mote straps on: November 29, 2006, 02:05:50 PM
Nintendo clearly needs to rerelease the Powerglove with an added gizmo to lock the Wiimote into your grip. 

Rise from your grave.
10114  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: VC titles coming tonight or tomorrow morning on: November 29, 2006, 12:17:14 AM
What was the final word on the pricing for VC titles?
10115  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: PS3 and used games on: November 28, 2006, 04:28:29 PM

Quote from: lokiju on November 28, 2006, 04:20:13 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on November 28, 2006, 03:47:12 PM

Quote from: The_Man on November 28, 2006, 12:19:59 PM

Quote from: Canuck on November 28, 2006, 10:42:41 AM

I remember a few months ago reading horror stories about how Sony was going to make it so that only the original purchaser of a game would be able to play it on their own PS3.  So now that the PS3 is out, for those that bought it, is there any indication that you won't be able to resell your game once you tire of it?  Or were those reports all fearmongering?

That was simply a rumor.  Gamestop has already gotten a few used PS3 games in.


Not a rumor good sir...just not implemented. (yet)

So Sony actually entertained the notion of making sure their games couldn't be rented through huge companies like Blockbuster (Gamefly, etc), or sold as used via Eb and Gamestop? I guess that also makes returns (from stores that allow them) out of the question. Also, you can't bring your game to a friend's house to play co-op? Anything else I missed (of course I did, come join in the fun!)?

It was just a patent for the technology that the rumor grew from, there's other things they could do with the concept besides locking down the normal library of games. 

  • DIVX style blu-ray rentals that you can "rent" from an ordinary store for $4 that can only be used on your system and expire after a week
  • Games you buy in a store but are small enough to fit on the hard drive.  This tech could make it so you could buy the game, install it, and then play it without putting the disc back in the drive, without allowing you to pass it on to all your friends
  • In-store expansion packs.  Similar to the above, letting you install an expansion pack and then store the disc away, without allowing you to give everyone you know the expansion pack for free.
Then again, this is Sony, so perhaps it's not irrational to assume the worst.
10116  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: Devil's Holiday Sale on: November 28, 2006, 03:29:19 PM

Quote from: Devil on November 28, 2006, 02:52:45 PM

Not even a nibble!

List the random stuff!
10117  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Shadowrun Open Beta Sign-up on: November 28, 2006, 03:27:31 PM
Can someone please provide a lazy me with a quick summary of what this game is and why I should be excited about it?  The title isn't ringing a bell.
10118  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Follow-up on the PS3 shooting victim in CT on: November 28, 2006, 02:56:30 PM

Quote from: Kobra on November 28, 2006, 02:52:43 PM

Wow, that guy sounds retarded.

“When they let us in the lobby there at Wal-Mart, I was on the floor coughing up blood and telling the workers to take the wallet out of my pocket and give it to my friends so they could continue waiting in line and purchase the PS3s,” Mr. Penkala said. “For some reason I wasn’t thinking about my wound, I was all about those PlayStations.”

This guy was a few inches to the left away from being a finalist for this year's Darwin Award.
10119  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Follow-up on the PS3 shooting victim in CT on: November 28, 2006, 02:35:20 PM
Public Service Announcement:  Your life is probably worth more to you than $2600
10120  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: PS3 and used games on: November 28, 2006, 02:06:24 PM
Also contrary to some pictures that were floating around the internet in the months before the launch, the PS3 will not grill both sides of your food at once and Knock-Out-the-Fat™.

Sony bastards™.
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