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41  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: So. Why Couldn't the Mumbai Attacks Happen in AnyCity USA/EU? on: November 29, 2008, 10:10:25 PM
Tossing a dart in the dark, I'd ballpark it at 3 parts vigilance to 2 parts greater opportunity to change one's station in life in the areas in question to 5 parts dumb luck.

Some would argue your assumed lower frequency of terror events in "Europe" as well, but I'll let that pass
42  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: So. If the US Hadn't Invaded Iraq... on: November 29, 2008, 10:04:02 PM
If you wanted the analysis to go only a certain way, you might have started a thread based on facts and not on opinions and conjecture.

You're getting exactly what you deserve for trying to solve the world's vaugeries in only one internet thread
43  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Neb. finally gets the law right. on: November 22, 2008, 04:04:21 AM
There is.  You can surrender your parental rights and make them a ward of the court.  It takes time.  Not one stop shopping.
44  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Go to longer...? on: November 22, 2008, 03:59:33 AM
Ever listen to the older folks in your church?  "My Bunions" this and "My Prostate" that... Folks, they exchange health care stories.  A quite significant number of them.  They are in effect swapping survival strategies.   When you can advantage yourself of information what doctors to see and how to treat something you may develop, you network for solutions to what is killing you early.

A Pious life is a fine thing in and of itself, but it's not some deep mystery of good health.

And where can I get funding for my next study?  if this passes muster, I want to be paid for something equally valueless 
45  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Heathens Caused the Market Meltdown! on: November 21, 2008, 03:29:40 AM
I read that three times, and I still can't fathom how the two assertions of observations link in the reporter's mind.  They have nothing to do with each other.

Meanwhile, that anti Christian bias of the internet is sure a lot of undeserved abuse, huh?
46  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: No Bailout for GM please. Let em die. on: November 20, 2008, 05:32:27 PM
When presented the facts of the proposals that refute your fears, you would rather insult others than learn and adjust.

And it's just a proposal. there is not even a bill in any house yet, and you are wetting your pants like the sky is falling.

Proposals can change.  You'll be okay.  Have some warm milk or something and wait for a bill.

Obama holds a veto, and made the two specific tenets of his health care reform that Brendan outlined.  He would risk the dissatisfaction of the electorate by not keeping those tenets in anything he ratified.  He is highly motivated to veto any plans that do not include them.

And Business risks non-retention and turnover by trying to "cheap up on benefits' as you fear.  If your business shafts you, it's on the head of your business, not the proposed legislation.

And you are entitled to think this is naive of anyone to think.  But I would rather be naive in this case.  Living life your way, seeing problems  before there is any reason to look for them,  sounds damn miserable.
47  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: No Bailout for GM please. Let em die. on: November 20, 2008, 03:11:21 AM
The Dwight D. Eisenhower National Highway System springs to mind.
48  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: No Bailout for GM please. Let em die. on: November 20, 2008, 02:41:43 AM
and all this conjecture ignores that the legislature would be the source of any regulations to come, no proposal, ill or boon, is completely assured.  What is proposed may not happen, and what Brett fears Is even less likely to happen.  Either nothing on this issue will happen bogged in the process, or what passes will have to get past an executive veto.   The best way to avoid that veto is to tailor legislation to the campaign proposals of the President-elect.
49  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: No Bailout for GM please. Let em die. on: November 20, 2008, 02:32:14 AM
Again, I have to think you may not know the proposals.  Companies of certain size will be regulated to provide health care benefits.

Whether your particular employer decides to continue the package you have and enjoy now or the one they will be required to provide minimally is the decision of an employer that wants to attract and keep better employees or chase them out the door.   Cheap on the benefits while wages across the economy are stagnant, I think your employer will be looking for replacements more often than the next "Save-A-Buck Inc. Healthcare PPO" you fear will replace what you have
50  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: No Bailout for GM please. Let em die. on: November 20, 2008, 01:51:39 AM
You're looking for bogeymen Brett. Every proposal to date has clearly said that those in health plans with which they are satisfied will be able to opt to keep them.
51  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: The Housing Disaster - Who is to blame? on: November 19, 2008, 12:03:56 AM

Quote from: cheeba on November 18, 2008, 11:53:48 PM

But what does blame matter really?

In this case, a great deal, as it will shape the proposals of regulations that are surely coming and very likely to pass.
52  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Franken/Coleman - predictions? on: November 16, 2008, 12:48:56 AM

Quote from: msduncan on November 15, 2008, 04:35:00 PM

Prediction:   They will steal it for Franken.    They've already managed to find 400+ votes for him even before the recount.     

For someone that hates when people demonize or make light of a Christian, you are awfully quick to do rather the same thing to people that you are assuming to be of a different political view than yours.
53  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: No Bailout for GM please. Let em die. on: November 13, 2008, 03:40:14 AM
Airlines are a bad Example.  They have been getting federal bailouts for decades in the interest of maintaining a compeitive aviation infrastructure rather than letting the market become monopolistic.

US Airways has been crying poor for over a decade at the Pittsburgh Airport about improvement commitments and a former hub status that they never came through with in the late 1990's  They built the whole airport around their operations and left the County in a lurch as they scaled back.  Senator Arlen Specter has been up one side of them and down the other for as long as I can remember, seeking action.

I agree with your point, but you chose a bad example
54  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: No Bailout for GM please. Let em die. on: November 11, 2008, 05:38:00 PM
If they get aid before Jan 20, I don't know that it would be a good idea.  After Jan 20, that administration has pointed throughout the ir election campaign to the notion that they would expect commitments and concessions on retooling production lines for more fuel efficient models before agreeing to allocate aid
55  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: What happens if McCain somehow wins? on: November 03, 2008, 03:16:58 PM
Not interested in commenting on Abortion.

But I find it willfully ignorant that some people believe that Murder and Theft are illegal because the commandments of their one religion out of the many world religions forbids such acts, and since the acts were outlawed where they live, the laws must be a representation of a majority belief in the religion rather than the principles of the laws stand for unto themselves.

One doesn't have to believe in any religion at all and can still decide that Murder and Theft are wrong, and there exists religions which believed it was wrong long before the founding and scriptures of the Jewish or Christian religions.  Many religions that sprang forth following these also believe Murder and Theft are wrong.

Some people need the threat of punishment under law to motivate them to conform to society.  Laws exist to handle the times where people chose on their own to not behave in the adherence to the common good.  Even in such a world, People can be good without religion or laws to guide them.  Some people can manage to be good their whole life, as if there were no laws at all to govern them.  They just choose it for themselves, mandated or not.
56  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: What happens if McCain somehow wins? on: October 31, 2008, 04:35:29 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on October 31, 2008, 04:02:27 PM

Quote from: olaf on October 31, 2008, 03:48:48 PM

If McCain wins I expect riots.  The media has been telling the world, non-stop, 24/7 'Obama is your next President'.  People believe it.

And if people riot just because their candidate lost, well it shows alot about those people and their party, and none of it is good.

these Hypothetical People would not be rioting because of their supposed partisan views.  Frustration at their economic situation and their future prospects is much more likely to be the cause.  I would not doubt maybe one or two out of four rioters would even be registered to vote, or be old enough to vote.  They would just riot because there's a chance to loot and likely get away with it.

For someone who likes to moan when someone else makes guesses at your partisanship, I am surprised that you would want to paint hypothetical others with a partisan brush.
57  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: One of those questions... on: October 30, 2008, 01:45:51 AM
Engines are still measured in displacement, yes?   a 1.8 Liter engine is less force-generating than a 3.0 liter engine?  Here fuel consumption volume is a function of engine mass.  there's more than one mass in the model.
58  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: One of those questions... on: October 29, 2008, 03:36:23 PM
Force is equal to an object's mass multiplied by its acceleration.

Engines produce the force.  Transmissions amplify the force by mechanical advantage of a small gear turning a larger gear, and then distribute the force through the drive wheels, wheter two or four wheels.

Your scenario assumes one will not reach a mass vs force limit.  to generate infinite force,  You would either need to increase the mass infinitely,  or the acceleration.  But in a car, the acceleration is a function of the mass of the engine and the mechanical advantage of the transmission.  Ignoring terminal velocity of air resistance on the body of the car and tire friction caused by gravity, to achieve more acceleration, you will always need more mass.  You need more mass in the engine to be able to burn the fuel possible to move the increasing mass of the car.  eventually in the model, mass must peak. 
59  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL Week 8 on: October 27, 2008, 02:28:14 AM

Quote from: ScubaV on October 27, 2008, 12:57:28 AM

I'd hate to be a Steelers fan, all I saw was part of the 4th quarter, but that was one of the most pathetic performances I've seen in a while.  That was Lion/Bengals caliber football.

I think that is making a bit much of things.  You missed a great three quarters of football before that implosion.

One touchdown loss after that many turnovers and sacks and penalties isn't all that shameful.  Not having a backup long-snapper was shameful, and the Offensive tackles both ought to be selling peanuts instead of playing football, But the Defense made The Giants earn the 19 hardest points they scored all year. The reigning Super Bowl Champion team.   If you have the NFL network, you may want to watch the game you missed. it was better than the game you saw.

Now we need to teach the tackles and tight ends to pass block somehow, and get our #2 WR Holmes to stop smoking pot while driving about town.  Imbecile.

But Hate being a fan?  For that?  Really? The last touchdown was not scored until there was less than 4 minutes left in the game.

They are still up on their division, and the records don't matter once the playoffs start.  The Offensive Tackles will, but the records won't.  It's likely not our year, but we've surprised folks once this century so far.

A football team that at least gets to the playoffs for 12 of the last 20 years, and 5 of the last seven, is nothing to be ashamed of. A Hockey Team That was in the Cup last year is nothing to be ashamed of.  And believe me, we know when to be ashamed of a sports team. We have the Pirates, after all.

60  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL Week 8 on: October 27, 2008, 02:17:29 AM

Quote from: Thin_J on October 27, 2008, 12:33:48 AM

God I love watching Pittsburgh lose.

Cincy fans would know how to find joy in watching football teams lose games, I suppose.  Stick with what you know, they say.
61  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: 3rd Debate - Obama in a romp, says CBS poll on: October 17, 2008, 02:41:20 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on October 17, 2008, 04:55:36 AM

Isn't Joe incorporated?  icon_confused

Joe doesn't yet own anything to incorporate.  The business is hypothetically "making $250K".  Who knows what Joe really makes as a unlicensed pulmbing skilled craftsman.  Or what his wife makes.

But a non-incorporated Joe is my point.  If Joe was a separate tax entity than the business, Joe wouldn't be "making $250K" and "Need to worry about Obama's proposed tax policy changes increasing his taxes."

Either you Incorporate or LLC, and keep a risky $250K business off of your personal bottom line and keep your personal finances safeguarded...

Or You "make $250K and need to worry about higher taxes" because you can't put your head around business practices, tax policies, and being self-employed, and prove McCain's disingenuous, political, and hypothetical point.

Joe is not in trouble if Joe keeps his head out of his own ass.
62  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: 3rd Debate - Obama in a romp, says CBS poll on: October 17, 2008, 02:58:00 AM

Quote from: Ironrod on October 17, 2008, 02:12:13 AM

Quote from: the Nightbreeze on October 17, 2008, 12:08:23 AM

If you are going to buy a plumbing business with $250K of revenues:

$250k of profits, right? The candidates have been sloppy about that. $250k of revenue is peanuts. My business needs to gross that much just to pay me a living wage, never mind any employees. I'd need to bring in something over $2 million to generate a $250k profit.

It wasn't clear, but the way it was presented is the business is "making $250K" and therefore "Joe would be making $250K". There may be no profits, it might be all profits, though coming from the trades before I went to university, I doubt it for a two-man operation.  But if Joe is considering carrying a $250K revenues that breaks even business, all the more reason to make the business its own taxable entity.

plumbers deal with open flames and running water and sewage.  If the liability insurance Joe decides to carry decides the damage he does to a homeowner's property was preventable because Joe's hippie daylaborer got baked at lunch and did not sweat the toilet tank feed right on the Second floor of a $400K house, joe is on the hook when the house molds or falls apart on the first floor antique dining room suite.  if the business is not its own entity, that's Joe's equipment, vehicles, savings, and house on the line.  Just because the liability insurance is paid up does not mean the insurance will pay out, and you can't half ass it in business

As for clarity, I'm sure McCain left the details in vaugeries on purpose, just because for the purposes of his assertions, he just needed Joe to be "making $250K a year" because of Obama's proposed income tax policy landmark.  If he's shufflinging $250K in plumbing materials around his spreadsheet, Joe is not "Making $250K", and not meeting the point of McCain's assertions anyways.
63  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: 3rd Debate - Obama in a romp, says CBS poll on: October 17, 2008, 12:08:23 AM
Going back to the debate, I am not surprised that Joe the Plumber played such a illustrative role in economy and tax policy explanations.  It shows McCain's willingness to listen to experts.  If the economy is going down the tubes, after all, tubes are right in a plumber's wheelhouse.

If you are going to buy a plumbing business with $250K of revenues:

1) It is a small business, because of the number of employees, and exempt from the requirement to provide a level of health care McCain was trying to pound.
2) It will be likely eligible for the job creation tax rebate for additional employees you may hire.
3) You better get cracking on being licensed as a Plumber first. those waiting lists can get damn long.
4) If it generates that much revenues and you are not making it its own taxable entity, like by incorporating it or LLC-ing it, perhaps you need to review business and licensing practices before you plan to buy a Plumbing business and lumping it into your personal income.  Because if it busts, your house and savings are likely gone with the wind if you don't.  It shouldn't be on your personal income taxes.  You're dumb, and asking the world to take your whole nest egg.
64  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: My kidney stone is back or something(updated 10/9/08) on: October 14, 2008, 11:28:42 PM

Quote from: Semaj on October 14, 2008, 10:14:17 PM

Quote from: Zero on October 14, 2008, 06:57:19 PM

Quote from: the Nightbreeze on October 11, 2008, 04:14:00 PM

and if you are not whizzing clear liquid,  you are not hydrated enough.  if you are passing Budwiser yellow or darker, get some water.

alirght, I just tried this starting yesterday...and to get myself "clear" - I had to drink a lot of water (more than the 8 glasses per day recommended), and it seemed that I'm whizzing every hour! Maybe I've got too much junk and it needs that much to clear it?  Or is it possible to piss Budweiser color and still mean you're hydrated?

Vitamins can help.  If you eat phenomenally healthy...  The yellow tends to reflect the amount of stuff you are processing... I'd still drink water 10-12 times a day... if it's still yellow, maybe you are clearing stuff out?

I'm not drinking anywhere near that volume, maybe 5 gas station oversize mugs of hot tea or sugar free crystal light/kool aidish stuff.  I'm going clear , and only about every 2-3 hours.  the color you observe is what your kidneys are kicking out of your bloodstream, like an oil filter for the blood.  If you are comfortable with Mountain dew or Michelob, you could be doing worse.  I'm Coors light-ing it over here.  If you are  Lager-ing it, you're really beating your kidneys.
65  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: My kidney stone is back or something(updated 10/9/08) on: October 11, 2008, 04:14:00 PM
as a veteran of two stones, I was told an eye on limiting carbonation and not getting more than daily needs of calcium is helpful as well.

First stone was "search and rescue", and second was passed on its own.

and if you are not whizzing clear liquid,  you are not hydrated enough.  if you are passing Budwiser yellow or darker, get some water.
66  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Season Talk on: October 11, 2008, 04:07:58 PM
It's going to be a tough crawl back to the Playoffs for my tired and battered Penguins without Hossa.  The Power Play needs to step it up, which is tough to do with the missing personnel. Yet, It is hard to not have some high hopes with the core of players on our bench.  Malkin apparently was in some serious pain in the cup games, explaining his smothering by the Wing's defense.  Hopefully he has healed. 

It's going to be a long road to the second season.

67  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL Week 6 on: October 07, 2008, 05:04:43 PM
my advice: Pick Pittsburgh and Buffalo this week.  They can't loose.
68  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL Week 5 on: October 06, 2008, 04:08:55 AM
on the subject of PIT @ JAC....

HA!  nod
69  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Heroes Season 3 (spoilers for our less fortunate European friends) on: October 06, 2008, 04:02:32 AM

Quote from: Moliere on October 06, 2008, 12:00:18 AM

How do the Level 5 cells keep the inmates in? Do they have magic Plexiglas or concrete? Did the Haitian spread his blood all over them to nullify their powers? Well, we know that's not true since we saw the blue fireball guy using his powers in the cell.

The Fear User said that he had been talking to Sound Guy while they were locked up and how that kept him alive. Then he seemed surprised that Peter was inside the Sound Guy. Yet every time they showed Level 5 Peter can be overheard yelling "I'm Peter! Someone help me, I'm trapped in this body" etc.

Your astute observation is even worse when you consider that a guy whose power is sonic vocal concussive bursts is not being kept in a soundproof cell.  Hell, all of them ought to be soundproofed and Isolated just to demoralize them.
70  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: September 16, 2008, 03:27:18 AM
Declining to continue the Russia derail beyond this: Diplomacy is still a game of carrots and sticks, and we're about equal on sticks, and Russia can afford to make more sticks. We need to start looking for carrots. 

Carry on with the VPing.
71  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: September 14, 2008, 07:49:14 PM
We don't have to cede one pail  of dirt if we can think of a way to negotiate with them.

We barely talk to them except to tell them what actions they take and we don't like.  How are you going to change anything by diplomacy like that?

What can we give the Russians to not do what we would rather see them not do?

A kick in the pants is not the answer.  A terse email that will be ignored isn't either.  There must be answers.  What is certain is that the answer is not either of these.
72  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: September 14, 2008, 07:30:21 PM
Go ahead and voice your displeasure with Russia's actions.  Hold press events and issue statements.

But if you believe that will change Russia's behavior one bit, you are kidding yourself.

Negotiations work when you have something to offer the other side.

Now what does the world have for Russia that Russia wants, other than customers?  Answer that, and you may get somewhere in your policy decision proposals.

Because you won't stop them from finding customers, even if you convince your staunch allies to boycott their commodities.  Somebody wants it, and someone will pay for it, and those revenues are all they need to stalemate us out of consideration.

We aren't offering Russia anything.  Why would they bend to our demands?  Threat of open war?  They are economically on the better side of that bet.

Offer them something, and you might convince them.  Let's hear the offer.  Might convince me, too.

73  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: September 14, 2008, 04:34:43 PM

Quote from: cheeba on September 14, 2008, 03:41:21 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on September 14, 2008, 01:13:45 PM

Thanks, but I'd rather not pick a fight with a country that has 14,000 nuclear weapons.
So Russia can do anything it wants? Good plan. I'm sure that'll work out for the benefit of all.

So as an alternative, you would suggest what?  Kicking both Putin and the new PM in the sack and chanting USA?

Because any force we apply will be met in kind.  This is not Iran or 1990's Iraq that we can just try to embargo and politically isolate into economic futility.  Very large wars are lost on Russian fronts for a great many reasons, and Russia's energy and natural resource supplies within the decade are projected to make them independently stable as an economic power.  The way we might win a conflict with Russia involves a lot of allies and us bombing a lot of allies of theirs and them, and returned in kind in a cascade.

Russia needs to be respected and considered in a diplomatic fashion, because they hold better cards than we do.  We are not in the top bargaining position here.  And to suggest we will Bully Pulpit Russia into anything by puffing our chest and wagging shameful fingers at them at them is misguided, stated in the kindest terms possible.

As long as they find customers in a desperate global rescource market, Russia has nothing to fear from anyone.

74  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Wacky Canadian question on: September 13, 2008, 12:03:34 AM
It has something to do with the illegality of sweepstakes-like raffles form what I can understand.

Bioware during the development of one of the expansions of Neverwinter Nights had a similar stipulation for a website competition.

I guess there was once too many fixed raffles for the tastes of our friends to the North.

However, "games of skill" are legal.  So what you are legally doing is being the fist person chosen to participate in a sudden death test of mathematics skill. or whatever the question may be.

75  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [travel] Pittsburgh Bound! on: September 09, 2008, 03:19:04 AM
Well, to begin with, you could shoot Scraper the moon.  If he doesn't like watching Playoff level hockey and football, maybe he'll enjoy looking at your ass instead.  If Scraper doesn't like watching Pittsburgh Baseball, well, no one will hold that against him. Even a dominatrix cant stand watching that much pain.

Then, when you pull your drawers up and assuming you have a car, Century Three Mall is in your vicinity. 

So is the Waterfront. (  and

Both are good to kill an afternoon or an evening. 

Also, you don't want to miss parking the car down at Station Square ad riding the Incline up Mt. Washington for one of the best views of Downtown.  Go in the evening and wait for nightfall and take a good camera if you can.

The South Side is down the road from station square. in fact it is halfway between West Mifflin and Station Square.  East Carson Street is the main road, and you will never see more bars on any street in perhaps the whole nation. 3-5 of them to a block.  it's where the college crowd from across the river hang out.

Email me if these sorts of thing aren't what you were after.  I can suggest museums and other cultural stuff in the area if sober fun is more your concern.  Do be sure to find a Primanti's Bros. somewhere, though. Pastrami might me a safer choice for a first timer who is not so sure about greasy and garlic Kolbassi.

76  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Happy NFL Season! on: September 08, 2008, 01:02:48 AM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on September 08, 2008, 12:22:40 AM

Quote from: rickfc on September 07, 2008, 06:15:19 PM

OMG the Texans looks embarrassingly bad.  Down 21-3 before the half.  I hope they can turn it around quick, if not, it's going to be a LONG season...

Wait, the Texans actually have fans?

Sure, Why not?

Not that I put a great amount of value on My Steelers beating the JV squad, but not all of the 38 points scored against the Texans are because the Texans may have thought they showed up to play cricket instead of football.  The Steelers were a playoff team last year and have at least a decent shot at their division's title.    The Texas QB just got rattled, and there may be a better QB out on the market somewhere for their future.  They can turn it around, and they ran into a considerable team this week.
77  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Far Cry 2 CE..get some wood on: September 05, 2008, 09:11:21 PM
Box and wood have gone together since the dawn of man?
78  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: September 04, 2008, 11:38:12 PM

This one I can field:

Quote from: YellowKing on September 04, 2008, 10:40:02 PM

The question I have for the Obama supporters is this:

2. If experience isn't an issue, then why are you so hell-bent on pointing out Palin's lack thereof?

People are not concerned with experience so much as the Hypocrisy it takes to make an experience argument for one ticket and against another instead of making a genuine, consistent argument.

Many times I have heard yourself be floored that people were not appauled  by Bill Clintion's conduct on the matter of testifying about receiving Fellatio evasively and perhaps perjously.  You focused on the testimony, other focused on the fellatio as not being a big deal.

We're looking at the hypocrisy, whereas you want the put the microscope on experience.  You might not think that is right of someone to do, but that is where some people are at.
79  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: MSNBC Gop Poll on: September 02, 2008, 08:35:47 PM
You know, I can believe it. As a party, they have been trending to looking for hands-off government.

However, the answer they hope the woman comes to about having an abortion is another matter.
80  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Raids in Minnesota on: September 02, 2008, 03:04:01 PM
A pair of shiny pennies are on their way right over.  Mail me a letter if you don't get them.
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