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1721  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: June 05, 2008, 04:02:28 PM

Quote from: gellar on June 05, 2008, 03:27:46 PM

That was one of the coolest endings to a Stanley Cup Finals I've seen.  At first glance, I seriously thought that desperation attempt went in.

gellar

Me too, and part of me wondered how horrible/wonderful it would be to have to reign in all of the Red Wings players celebrating in the corner, because the game wasn't over and was going into overtime.
1722  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: June 05, 2008, 01:41:02 PM
Congrats to the Red Wings. As much as the Pens were able to make this an entertaining series, the Red Wings looked like champions throughout.

And the officiating was terrible all around. Blatant penalties committed by both teams would go uncalled, and then the penalties that were being called were weak at best. The only good thing is that it seemed to go both ways. It will be interesting to see if this is addressed or not in the offseason.
1723  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sad day for a friend on: June 04, 2008, 08:24:03 PM
You did the right thing. Hopefully his family will be able to help him and he wont just take advantage of them like he would have taken advantage of you.
1724  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Watching sports on a DVR on: June 04, 2008, 08:18:16 PM
If I have no other option, I will record a sporting event, and go into lockdown mode. I had to do it with a lot of the Pens games this year. It sucks when I'm at work, because I can't go to ESPN. But most of the other sites I frequent wouldn't have any spoilers. I also have to send out a text message to a couple of people before the game starts and tell them I am not watching it, so they know not to send me any messages.

If I am able to watch the game at home, I will watch it live if I know that someone else I know is going to be watching it live, because I'll most likely be sending text messages to them about the game. If it is a game nobody else cares about but me, I'll record it and start watching about halfway through so I can cut through most of the commercials.

One thing I noticed though is that if I am watching a game live, I am reluctant to pause the game, or rewind it to watch a play again. I don't know why this is, because if I have recorded the game I do it without hesitation.
1725  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: It's official: Obama Vs McCain. Coming this November '08 on: June 04, 2008, 08:00:29 PM

Quote from: LordMortis on June 04, 2008, 07:22:08 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on June 04, 2008, 06:58:36 PM

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I really don't understand how anyone in their right mind would want to continue down the same path we have been going down for the past 8 years of this asshole in the white house.

A lot of us don't feel that McCain = a continuation of Bush policies. Before McCain was ever considered anywhere close to being a nominee, he was painted as a maverick who scored better with independents than his own party and was known for his moderate stances. Even when he was fighting with Huckabee for the nomination, he was painted as a guy who would have an extremely difficult time appealing to the more conservative base of his own party.

Then he clinches the nomination, and all of a sudden he is portrayed as a Bush lackey who will constitute a third term of Bush.

Sorry, but if you believe that, then you are freely buying into Democratic spin. In reality, it doesn't make much sense. 

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Something happened and he became a pet of Bush and the Republicans.

That "something" was him clinching the nomination and the Democratic war machine going on the offensive to paint him as a Bush clone.

I think your timeline might be off.   If you made this 2000 rather than 2008 then I would agree with you.  McCain was totally the Not Bush Republican (in the way was presented) until he lost to Bush in the primaries.  Then something happened and his presence changed.  He felt like he didn't want to become the Not Bush Republican Whipping Boy and became the Bush Thrull instead.

I was going to post something similar to this. Before 2000 I would have voted for McCain in a heartbeat, and is was probably the only republican I could stand. But since he lost the primary it has felt like he believed the only way to win the primary is to appeal to the same people that voted for Bush.

I'm far from an expert on politics, but I have still had the impression of McCain as a "Bush Clone" years before he won the primary a couple of months ago.
1726  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: June 04, 2008, 06:53:10 PM

Quote from: The Meal on June 04, 2008, 06:43:59 PM

How many people live in your house, how many shows do they record, how often do they watch the recorded shows, how long is your own backlog, and how much space do you have left on your DVR?  I keep an extra 90 minutes off all the hockey games I record, but recording that much extra, in HD (sorry, kratz), rapidly eats up what little space we have left.

Okay, what little space *I* have left.  My girls hardly watch any TV programs...

We don't record many shows, but we barely ever watch TV. I have entire seasons of Lost, Supernatural, Smallville, Grey's Anatomy and several other shows that my girlfriend records and never watches still on my DVR. I know most people that have DVR run out of space fairly quickly unless they watch everything, but I rarely run out of space. Then again, I set a couple shows to not be deleted unless manually erased, and let a bunch of other shows purge off after awhile.
1727  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: June 04, 2008, 06:22:10 PM

Quote from: The Meal on June 04, 2008, 05:59:16 PM

I'm with you on wanting it over in G6, however.  We're camping/rafting this weekend, so we wouldn't be able to watch G7 until getting back in town on Sunday night (and if it goes to OT, no guarantees that it'd be recorded on our DVR).

I've had to record several games this postseason. I always tell it to record an extra 3 hours after the scheduled ending so that I know I get everything, even if it goes into multiple overtimes.
1728  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: What do you consider "camping"? on: June 04, 2008, 02:59:42 PM
I think it also depends on what game you are playing, as well as the game mode. A game that is a little bit more on the realistic side like COD4, it is a valid strategy to sit and defend a position, especially one that is important to the map. I might have a problem in a game like Halo under certain situations, but I think I have changed my views on camping since playing COD4 so much.
1729  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Does character matter in the NFL? on: June 04, 2008, 02:52:30 PM
Each NFL team is a big corporation. All they care about is making money. And if they have the option to bring in a talented player with some personal issues, or a stand up citizen that is an average player, the talented player will win every time, unless the backlash from the fans is going to be big enough that it is going to be a problem.

The only way character will ever truly matter in the NFL is if it matters to the fans, because they have the power to hurt the teams in the pocketbooks. But right now that blind regional loyalty wins out almost every time.
1730  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Review] The Bourne Conspiracy on: June 04, 2008, 02:07:29 PM
Good review. After the demo I lost interest in the game, but I think I'll rent it now.
1731  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: June 04, 2008, 01:35:29 PM

Quote from: Eduardo X on June 04, 2008, 12:08:16 AM

That was a game that ought to get NHL ratings up again. It was still on at 11:30 here, which means people tuning in to Leno and the nightly news got an amazing game instead.

I've read that the ratings have been up pretty big in the US all series. The two games on Versus were up well over 100%, and I think Game 3 on NBC pulled in a 2.4 share or something, which is the biggest game since 2000 or 2002.

And apparently Game 4 pulled a 2.3 share, but Game 5 was way up.

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The Pittsburgh Penguins' 4-3 win to avoid elimination against the Detroit Red Wings earned a 4.3 overnight rating and an 8 share on NBC. That's a 79 percent increase over last year's 2.4 for Game 5 between Anaheim and Ottawa.

It was the best Game 5 rating since the Carolina-Detroit matchup in 2002 drew a 4.5.
1732  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: June 03, 2008, 08:32:42 PM

Quote from: Arkon on June 03, 2008, 08:27:38 PM

Keep in mind,the Pens played almost 3 full periods without thier #1 D-Man in Gonchar, that is of course going to cause issues with the Pens trying to get out of thier own end.

Did they ever say what his injury was? I immediately thought concussion, because he looked out of it when he was sitting on the ice and later on the bench. But if that was the case I doubt they would let him come back even if it was just for the power play.
1733  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Example why the human race is doomed to extinction on: June 03, 2008, 08:27:51 PM

Quote from: rshetts2 on June 03, 2008, 12:43:17 AM

Quote from: coopasonic on June 02, 2008, 06:38:20 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on June 02, 2008, 02:46:28 PM

Yeah, it amazes me how this show could be all about these chicks' relationships and sexual escapades when 3/4 of them are completely unattractive.

I'll give you a hint, from the linked article:
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Women made up 85 percent of the audience on Friday, Fellman said.

The other 15% were gay guys, pets and eunuchs.

And the poor schmucks who said ok Honey, if you go see Indy with me this week, Ill go see SaTC with you next week.    retard

I did this for Superman Returns and The Devil Wears Prada. Unfortunately for me Superman Returns sucked.
1734  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Movie trilogies that got progressively better on: June 03, 2008, 08:17:53 PM

Quote from: Teggy on June 03, 2008, 07:25:45 PM

Quote from: ChaoZ on June 03, 2008, 07:11:02 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on June 02, 2008, 09:22:59 PM

Quote from: Kyosho on June 02, 2008, 09:20:24 PM

I highly doubt anyone would agree with me, but I'd say the Back to the Future movies qualify. They do in my opinion anyways. However, I was too young to see the first one by itself and have to wait for the sequels. The first one is more of a teen comedy, and if I was expecting mostly that from the sequels, I may have been disappointed. Some people say they got "too sci-fi." Well, whatever. I love them all. And I think the sequels improved upon the original.

Sorry, I just checked and it turns out that the order of quality for the BttF movies is 1, 3, 2, just as I had suspected. slywink

For the BttF movies, you can rank it (best to worst) 1,2,3 or even 2,1,3 but in no way can you say 3,2,1

The third movie was no way better than part 2. Impossible.

No, no, no. 2 is the worst.  It is a total mess with all the back and forth, and the reshoots of the first movie from different angles and the bad aging makeup. 1 is the best, and 3 is quite good, but not as good as 1.

No. 1 is the best, and 2 and 3 are about equal. 3 is a better all around movie, but I thought the part in 2 where they go back to 1955 was excellent, and made up for the abortion that was the beginning and middle of the movie. And the ending was great. "No Doc, it's me. It's Marty! I'm back, I'm back from the future..."
1735  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: June 03, 2008, 07:35:41 PM

Quote from: The Meal on June 03, 2008, 07:00:28 PM

Can't speak.  Figuratively or literally.

Game: Crap, Ooof, a-ha!, woot!, HELL YEAH!! Shit...  SHIT!

Most memorable hockey game I'll ever attend in my life.  Was a fantastic present.  But... SHIT!

I felt a little bad for you guys when the Pens went up 2-0. But by the time overtime started I had completely lost that feeling, which slowly turned to jealousy when you actually got to see almost two full games of Stanley Cup hockey.
1736  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: June 03, 2008, 05:51:56 PM

Quote from: kratz on June 03, 2008, 05:37:26 PM

Quote from: msteelers on June 03, 2008, 05:18:29 PM

Quote from: DamageInc on June 03, 2008, 03:51:31 PM

I'm wondering how the long game 5 will affect Game 6. Will the younger players of the Pens bounce back quicker? Will the experience of the Red Wings give them a clear advantage? Or will both teams be exhausted and the goalies take over?

Yeah, I don't know... the young guys on the Pens definitely seemed gassed a lot sooner than the 'old' guys on the Red Wings.  You watch Lidstrom, there's a guy who knows how to not waste energy... his movement all seems so laid back, but he's always where he needs to be, and always making the play he needs to make.  It doesn't ever seem like he gets wound up or flails around.  The Penguins really seemed to dig deep to pull out the energy there at the end, whereas the Wings didn't seem particularly phased by the length of the game... fat lot of good it did them. smile

Especially in the first and third overtimes, when the teams switched benches and had the long distance to go to get a shift change. The Red Wings dominated those periods for long stretches and the Pens just could not get the puck deep enough to get their men off the ice. Either one of the coaches or one of the announcers said that in a game like that they try to shorten the shifts to 20 to 25 seconds, but some of the Penguin players were out there for seemingly several minutes at a time. I was positive the Red Wings were going to score in the third off of a bad shift change or just exhaustion from the defense...
1737  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: June 03, 2008, 05:18:29 PM

Quote from: DamageInc on June 03, 2008, 03:51:31 PM

Man this series has just been crazy. I have not seen two teams go at it like this in quite awhile, but then again I live in Arizona.

It has been a great series, at least the last couple games. Games 1 and 2 we saw the other level Detroit can play at, and Pittsburgh had no answers. But I think they have answered and are playing as good as they can, and are leaving it all on the ice. Detroit certainly has as well, and games 3-5 have been classics.

Even assuming the Red Wings win in Game 6 or Game 7 (which they should), there will be no regret from this Pens fan. I'm glad that I have been able to see such a good series.

I'm wondering how the long game 5 will affect Game 6. Will the younger players of the Pens bounce back quicker? Will the experience of the Red Wings give them a clear advantage? Or will both teams be exhausted and the goalies take over?
1738  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: June 03, 2008, 02:21:58 PM
Wow. This has been an incredible series, even with the two blow outs in games 1 and 2. I was convinced the Red Wings would come out tonight and dominate all game, and take the cup. Even if the Pens lose game 6 at home, I think they have proven that they belong in the finals, and Fluery became a man last night.

The refs have got to be consistent, which so far this series they haven't. They have let the players play, which is good, but most of the calls they do make are weak, while obvious ones they let go. Of the two interference penalties, the second one I was ok with but the first one was an awful call.

And why was the high sticking a 4:00 penalty? I have seen similar shots earlier in the playoffs, but they were only 2:00.
1739  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: June 02, 2008, 08:21:46 PM

Quote from: Remus West2 on June 02, 2008, 07:56:07 PM

Quote from: kratz on June 02, 2008, 07:43:22 PM

I'm a wings fan, but... you are saying Crosby should blow Zetterberg in the middle of a competitive series.  Never going to happen.  Chillax.
I think you are over stating my position.  I am saying that he should be able to admit Zetterberg made a great play.  I am not saying he should say Hank is the next great one.  It is not the lack of praise but rather the downplaying of it that bothers me.  Had he left it at talking about the play then I would not have an issue.  It was when he then said it was nothing anyone else would have done that bothered me.

Still, it is a very minor issue and I am only still talking about it because I am bored out of my mind.

Zetterberg played so good on that 5-on-3 that he knocked out my power for over an hour. During the closing seconds of that power play my power flickered, and then died. I called my friend in a panic, but he blew out his ACL and just had surgery for it. He had just taken 3 percocet and was useless. I then called my dad, who tried to give me his best Mike Lang impression...it was uninspired.

Saturday night sucked for me  icon_cry
1740  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Clinton's screwed on: June 02, 2008, 07:27:05 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 02, 2008, 06:29:46 PM

Quote from: msteelers on June 02, 2008, 05:27:16 PM

I agree, but everyone pretty much knew that the delegates were going to be sat one way or another. Both are swing states, and it would have been a gift to the republicans if the democrats didn't give them a voice at all. I wish more talk would have gone into a revote, but both states shot that down almost immediately, and nobody seemed to pick up the argument after that.

On principal, I disagree with this.  You don't set rules and plan on breaking them later.  If their votes don't count, they don't count - regardless on whether you seat the delegates at the convention.  The Republicans' plan for punishing MI and FL was a better one, but once the DNC decided, they should stick to it.

I actually agree with what you are saying. Everyone knew the rules well in advance, and everyone signed off on them. Florida and Michigan broke the rules, they should be punished. At the same time, Clinton shouldn't be calling for all the delegates to be sat. It is an obvious and disgusting move to win at all costs. Would she have argued for this long to get them seated if she didn't need those delegates? Absolutely not.

And as a voter in Florida, I do not feel disenfranchised by the democratic party. Still, others will. Or more likely, the Republicans will constantly point out that the democrats didn't give FL or MI a voice (even though everyone knows that is stretching the truth)

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Plus, I'm not sure "everyone knew the delegates were going to be sat".  If that were so, everyone (but Hillary) wouldn't have pulled their names off the MI ballot.

True, but I don't think anyone thought we would be in June without a clear nominee. I'm sure many thought there would be a clear winner back in February, and they would be able to let the delegates from the two states sit without affecting the outcome. But the fight has been so close they couldn't do that.
1741  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: June 02, 2008, 06:54:00 PM

Quote from: Remus West2 on June 02, 2008, 06:16:03 PM

The approach he took to being asked about the 5-3 made him seem like a whiny little bastard that couldn't figure out why everyone wasn't still talking about how great he is.  He just says "yeah, it was a great play on his part" then moved on without anything else being said.

Really? A whiny little bastard? That is the exact opposite of most of the sound bites I hear from him. Out of most of the superstars in their respective leagues, Crosby is probably one of the least selfish and bastard like out of all of them, at least to the press.

Even after Game 3 where he scored 2 goals, the ESPN guys were asking him all kinds of questions, and his responses were all "we" and "us", and no "I" or "me" moments.

I haven't seen the quote that you are caught up on, but I saw this in an article when I was looking for it:

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"Tonight could have gone either way," Crosby said. "We know we have to even play better, but it's nice to know that we're right there and we play our game. There's no choice now. I mean, we've got to win to stand."
1742  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: June 02, 2008, 06:06:53 PM

Quote from: rshetts2 on June 02, 2008, 05:37:05 PM

I for one dont think he should be giving major props to the Red Wings.  Still instead of making comments about how theyve out played the Wings and how close the play has been, maybe he should figure out why they are behind 3-1.  Perhaps if they actually scored more than 1 goal in the 3 loses he would have a case.  The offense of the Pens has been shut down for one of two reasons.  Superior defensive play by the Wings or complete offensive mediocrity by the Pens.  Which is it Cindy err...Sydney?

From the quotes I have seen (usually in the recaps of each game), he isn't saying anything like that. After Game 1 he said the Red Wings were a tight checking team and they have to find a way around that. After Game 2, when everyone was saying the Pens were done and had no chance, his comments were that they have had just as many chances as the Red Wings, they just haven't found the back of the net. He said basically the same thing after Game 3.

And as for the Game 4 comment, his team essentially has just lost the series. They all know the challenge ahead of them, and it's probably worse because they had a golden opportunity to tie the game with that 5-on-3, Crosby in particular. Even the media said he was visibly frustrated.
1743  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Clinton's screwed on: June 02, 2008, 05:27:16 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 02, 2008, 12:32:55 PM

Hillary supporters need to STFU.  Their candidate lost, period.

The rules of the primaries were agreed-upon prior to the first ballot ever being cast.  This included the exclusion of FL and MI.  Once Hillary figured out she was losing, she started to campaign to change the rules after the game had already been played.  That in itself is absurd and I found her comments so distasteful and idiotic that I promptly switched to Obama.

Then, miracles of miracles, they actually managed to bitch enough to get the rules changed.  As far as I'm concerned, that was a mistake.  You play by the rules that were set.

I agree, but everyone pretty much knew that the delegates were going to be sat one way or another. Both are swing states, and it would have been a gift to the republicans if the democrats didn't give them a voice at all. I wish more talk would have gone into a revote, but both states shot that down almost immediately, and nobody seemed to pick up the argument after that.
1744  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: My latest beer test..Yuengling on: June 02, 2008, 05:18:53 PM

Quote from: Aliasbuck on May 29, 2008, 11:13:52 PM

Yuengling is made in two places: Pottstown, PA and Tampa, FL.  Which is why we get the cheap beer here msteelers - an hour from the brewery  nod

Nice! I knew there was a reason I haven't moved away!
1745  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: My latest beer test..Yuengling on: May 29, 2008, 07:06:18 PM

Quote from: PeteRock on May 29, 2008, 05:40:48 PM

Quote from: WalkingFumble on May 29, 2008, 05:35:55 PM

is it that hard to find?  it seems like its everywhere in virginia.

It's only available on the east coast.  There aren't any distributers out west, and it definitely isn't available in Arizona.  I've never even see it farther west than Pittsburgh (once you cross into Ohio they think it's a "Japoneez import").  When I was in Disney World recently they had it all over the place but they have a distributer in Florida.   

It's everywhere around here in Orlando. It's guaranteed to be on tap in almost any bar, and it is in every grocery store as well. I bought a case last night for $9.99. Tasty and cheap!
1746  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Friend emails sent to oblivion on: May 29, 2008, 02:47:12 PM

Quote from: Austin on May 29, 2008, 02:17:57 PM

Quote from: spigot on May 29, 2008, 01:36:47 PM

Maybe it's just me and I'm being old and uptight, but I find it incredibly annoying when you send out an email to a group of friends to get their feedback on something or to set up a meet and no one responds. Non-responses are assumed non-participatory. Seriously. Do I have to call each and every one of you up? Reply with something. Anything. Fuckers.

Maybe in my case it's justified seeing as how all my other friends are either already married (no kids) or soon-to-be married. Everyone but me has got something else goin on frown

Still doesn't make it less considerate though.

Often times it probably means they have to check a date or run something by the spousal unit etc...  Perhaps add a line to please reply to let them know they received the email.  I can think of times where I received an email and meant to respond after checking on some things and just forgot. 

A simple "Let me check with my wife/husband/babysitter and get back to you" would be all it takes to buy them time to figure out an excuse not to hang out with him though.

Unless these are people that don't check their email regularly. I always have my work one up, but I usually only check my personal account once a day, if that. Sometimes I've gone weeks without checking it if I am really busy.
1747  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 29, 2008, 02:31:56 AM
That was an intense 6 minutes there. Wow.
1748  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 29, 2008, 02:27:53 AM
Brooks Orpik is a beast!
1749  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 29, 2008, 01:37:22 AM
Oh man. These angles they are using for the power play are making me nauseas. 
1750  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 29, 2008, 01:01:57 AM
I now understand why people were saying Hossa disappeared in the playoffs, and warned about him when the Pens made the trade. He should have so many more goals. Throughout the playoffs he has been missing on great feeds from Crosby, but it didn't matter because they were winning. He missed on a couple in the first two games of the finals, and now he just fanned on at least two great attempts in period 1 of Game 3.  mad
1751  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 28, 2008, 08:50:57 PM

Quote from: kratz on May 28, 2008, 08:44:18 PM

The trapezoid is the only place behind the net that the goalie is allowed to play the puck.  Some people call it the 'Brodeur rule'.

Wouldn't he be considered just a regular skater then, and goalie interference wouldn't apply? Would they have called a penalty on that play if it had been a defenseman for the Red Wings and not the goalie?

Or do they treat goalies in the NHL just like they treat quarterbacks in the NFL? Put a skirt on them and don't let anyone touch them no matter where they are on the field/ice.
1752  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 28, 2008, 08:41:55 PM

Quote from: Remus West2 on May 28, 2008, 08:13:13 PM

Maybe I need to see a replay of the first then because I do not remember him flopping around at all.  I remember the Pens being on a power-play and the puck being behind the net in the Wings possession.  When the puck came up the boards (to Ozzie's right) the Pens touched it and the whistle went.  There was no threat of a goal because the officials arm went up right away when the contact occurred and the Wings had the puck at the time.  I'll look on you-tube when I get home to see if there is a replay. (if you are feeling helpful you could find and post a link, I am blocked from work)

I've been searching on you tube, but all I can find is the second hit, which is when Osgood is playing the puck behind the net, and Sykora comes flying and and hits him high. I never saw this one live, and from looking at the highlights Osgood doesn't flop on that one. I've never fully understood the rules on hitting the goalie when he is outside of the crease. Why can't he be hit at all seemingly? Is it because of the trapezoid behind the net? I've heard the announcers mention it a bunch this post-season, but I don't know why it is there.

Edit: Here is an interview with Osgood that has the video of the first one I'm talking about at about the 1:25 mark. But it doesn't show the complete play (it cuts off as he hits the ice). From my memory of the broadcast they showed replays from above the play that had a better angle of the hit and positioning and stuff like that (but my memory...it's been known to fail me).
1753  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: My latest beer test..Yuengling on: May 28, 2008, 07:07:13 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on May 28, 2008, 06:59:55 PM

I'm a big Yuengling fan, of all varieties. A co-worker of mine built a "magic beer wall" in his den, where he has taps built into the wall that lead to chilled kegs in the adjoining garage. He's always got Yuengling on tap, so going to parties at his house I quickly acquired a taste for it.

"magic beer wall" just went on my list of must haves for my dream house.
1754  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: My latest beer test..Yuengling on: May 28, 2008, 07:06:33 PM
$7 a 6-pack? Gross. It's one of my favorite beers, and is usually just above $5 for a 6-pack here. I drank it a lot last summer. I turn the AC up to 80 when I'm at work, and sometimes my apartment feels like a sauna when I get home. Yuengling quickly cut through the heat for me, and made the hour or two that I had to wait for the temperature to come back down bearable.

Although, I recently tried some IPA's, and found that those cut through the heat even better. So it's been awhile since I've had a Yuengling. I might pick some up tonight though on my way home from work.

And don't worry about the Black and Tan's. They weren't anything special.
1755  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 28, 2008, 06:47:01 PM

Quote from: Remus West2 on May 28, 2008, 06:24:41 PM

Quote from: msteelers on May 28, 2008, 05:14:43 PM

Quote from: Remus West2 on May 28, 2008, 04:05:18 PM

Did Ozzie get run into and should interference have been called.  Yes.  Did Ozzie over sell the play.  Yes.  Do I have any issue with that?  No. 

Isn't that the definition of diving though?

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A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who attempts to draw a penalty by his actions ("diving").

In my opinion, at the very least the first goalie interference penalty of Game 2 should have been a minor to Malone for the interference, and a minor to Osgood for diving.
See, I do not even feel he over sold that one.  Just jostled for position inside the crease where he should be allowed unimpeded movement.  Particularly in light of the way they called Holmstrom for interference in game 1 AND disallowed a goal.  It is at least closer to being consistent the way they called it than if they had also called a penalty on Ozzie there.

The second one, at the end of the game, I could see the argument for diving being made.  I wouldn't agree but I could certainly see that there were points to be made to that argument.

Although this brings me right back to remembering the Avs series and Forskin accusing Samuelson of acting and diving when he got called for the double minor high-stick that had knocked two of Sammies teeth out.

I know that the first one there was interference (Ozzie was pushed), but he was not pushed hard enough to completely collapse like he did. I refuse to believe that any player in the NHL, even goalies, are so weak on their skates that the slightest push will cause them to collapse to the ground. And he was rolling around down there until he realized he didn't hear a whistle and a Penguin had a shot at the empty net. When he came to that realization, he started playing again from the ice (sadly I'm pretty sure the shot was wide or blocked even). It's not his jostling for position that I think is unreasonable, it is his impression of a fish out of water that I have an issue with.

As for the goal in Game 1 that was called back, I have a hard time comparing it to these two for one reason. Fluery didn't fall down, he made a play at the puck. He put himself in position to stop the shot, and in the process Holmstrom got his stick between his legs, and the ref blew the whistle. Watching the replay, I don't think there was any interference (Fluery was out of the crease AND I don't think the stick prevented him from getting into position), but the penalty was called because of a refs bad judgement, rather than Fluery's acting skills (maybe he needs to sharpen those too). If anything, that call in Game 1 should show that falling to the ice to show the refs that contact was made, is NOT needed.
1756  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 28, 2008, 05:43:42 PM

Quote from: rshetts2 on May 28, 2008, 05:24:36 PM

The definition is not black and white though.  The key is was Ozzie trying to DRAW a penalty or was he trying to make sure the refs were aware the interference occurred.

That's absurd. If a player gets knocked to the ice, it better be because the OTHER player did something to put them there, and NOT some little show for the refs so you can get a penalty called.
1757  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 28, 2008, 05:14:43 PM

Quote from: Remus West2 on May 28, 2008, 04:05:18 PM

Did Ozzie get run into and should interference have been called.  Yes.  Did Ozzie over sell the play.  Yes.  Do I have any issue with that?  No. 

Isn't that the definition of diving though?

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A minor penalty shall be imposed on a player who attempts to draw a penalty by his actions ("diving").

In my opinion, at the very least the first goalie interference penalty of Game 2 should have been a minor to Malone for the interference, and a minor to Osgood for diving.
1758  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 27, 2008, 08:02:59 PM

Quote from: Remus West2 on May 27, 2008, 07:48:12 PM

Quote from: msteelers on May 27, 2008, 05:31:19 PM

Did Roberts throw two sucker punches in the game? I remember one, but it was more of an open palm to the face, and I thought it was earlier than 3 minutes left. I didn't really watch the end of the game, so if there was a second punch I missed it, which might explain why I'm not of the same opinion that Roberts should be suspended.
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He hit Franzen in the side of the face with a full on left hook (Roberts is a lefty for those that do not know) from behind.  He should have been given a game misconduct for that as well as a game to sit and think about what it means to try and hurt another player rather than try to win a hockey game.

I watched the replay, and it is definitely a closed fist, and not an open palm. You will find no arguments from me if he gets suspended.
1759  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Indy IV: Who's in for Midnight??? on: May 27, 2008, 07:15:36 PM

Quote from: rickfc on May 27, 2008, 06:48:14 PM

Quote from: msteelers on May 27, 2008, 06:38:43 PM


Is it a coincidence that the one movie out of the first three that strayed from the religious tones is the one that is widely considered to be the worst?

You're right.  Temple of Doom is rated 86% on Rotten Tomatoes.  The next lowest is Last Crusade at 89%.  That is a HUGE margin.

A bad Indiana Jones movie is still better than 90% of the other crap out there  icon_wink
1760  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Indy IV: Who's in for Midnight??? on: May 27, 2008, 06:38:43 PM

Quote from: rickfc on May 27, 2008, 06:17:29 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on May 27, 2008, 06:08:47 PM


More believable than another? Debatable. Consistent with the theme (religious fairy tales) of the other movies? Not so much. That inconsistency in theme leads directly (for me) to inconsistency with believability.


How has the theme of the movies been consistent when ToD had nothing to do with religion?  If anything, it is part of a pattern and a departure from the religious tone was due for the next film.  Maybe you'll get 'Indiana Jones and Noah's Ark' for Indy V.   Roll Eyes

Is it a coincidence that the one movie out of the first three that strayed from the religious tones is the one that is widely considered to be the worst?
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