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1681  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: NCAA 09 Impressions? on: July 15, 2008, 04:53:05 PM
I was going to go and pick this up today, but I am in the process of moving so cash is really tight right now. Plus, I am still really enjoying CivRev. I'll probably pick this up in a week or two when I get settled in the new place.
1682  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Is ANYONE playing CoD4 online anymore? on: July 08, 2008, 02:56:45 PM
Between Halo 3 and COD4 I think I got burned out on first person shooters for awhile. I tried the BF:BC demo but it did nothing for me. Now I'm in a more laid back mood with my games. I've spent a lot of time in Lost Odyssey recently, and this week I will pick up Civilization Revolutions and NCAA next week. Those two games will probably last me for a couple of months, until the fall games start coming out, when I'll probably be screaming for some first person shooter action.
1683  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 100 Pushups - 6 week program. Who's in? on: July 07, 2008, 08:09:56 PM
My 2nd test was 19, which is good since my first test was just 7, but I was really shooting for 20. I didn't get up in time this morning to do my workout, so I'll do it when I get home from work today.
1684  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 100 Pushups - 6 week program. Who's in? on: July 01, 2008, 08:31:49 PM

Quote from: jersoc on July 01, 2008, 07:06:29 PM

I always start to crap out on the 3rd set around 12'ish. I can manage to finish, but just barely. I don't really work out, but I think part of the reason is I have a bad habit of holding my breath. I pretty much have to force myself to breath while doing them. Any tips on changing that?

I've always been told to make sure that you are breathing out when you are doing the "lifting", and breathe in when returning to the starting position.

So for a pushup, breathe in when you lower yourself to the floor, and breathe out as you push yourself up.

It's important to breathe during the exercise, and for some reason exhaling as you are lifting helps, or at least seems like it does.
1685  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 100 Pushups - 6 week program. Who's in? on: July 01, 2008, 06:57:31 PM
Thanks for all the support. I like to look on the bright side of things, and I already found a new apartment, which is a block away from my gym. So now I have no more excuses.

I'm going to North Carolina tomorrow morning, but I will still do my pushups Wednesday and Friday and be back Monday to update.

My right shoulder hurt a lot Saturday night. At first I thought it was from the pushups, but it hasn't hurt since, so I am starting to think I might have been leaning on it on the couch the wrong way, or something. And the wrists still feel good since I've made sure that they point forward and not cheat out to the side.
1686  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 100 Pushups - 6 week program. Who's in? on: July 01, 2008, 02:44:14 PM
Well, I found my motivation. My girlfriend of three years left me Sunday night. We have been living together for two years and was about to sign a new lease that was to take affect today actually.

Focusing that emotion into the pushups made Week 2 Day 1 seem easy  mad ...  crybaby
1687  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 100 Pushups - 6 week program. Who's in? on: June 27, 2008, 04:04:00 PM
Day 3 is done! Unfortunately I took a little longer than 120 seconds between the sets. I feel good though.
1688  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 100 Pushups - 6 week program. Who's in? on: June 26, 2008, 09:03:19 PM

Quote from: jersoc on June 26, 2008, 06:24:59 PM

Quote from: Gratch on June 26, 2008, 02:35:23 PM

Do you guys point your hands forward, or out to the side?  I tried doing them forward, but it absolutely killed my wrists.  Not sure if pointing them to the side would alter which muscle groups are working.

holy jebus, forward. i can't imagine pointing them to the side would be better for the wrists.

I'm pretty sure for my initial test my hands were pointing out, and my wrist was killing me. But for the first two days I have been pointing them straight and the wrist hasn't been a problem.
1689  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movies]Wall-E Impressions on: June 26, 2008, 09:01:08 PM
I must be the only person in the country that knows nothing about this film. I haven't seen anything for it except for posters when I go to the movies, and people in forums saying how excited for it they are.
1690  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: District of Columbia v. Heller -- Decision tomorrow on: June 26, 2008, 07:11:11 PM
Since overall I agreed with the decision of the court, I wanted to check out the dissenting opinions first. I don't have time to read the whole thing, but so far I have worked through about the first 17 pages of Stevens dissenting opinion, and I'm surprised. So far he has focused on the interpretation of the text of the amendment, and why he feels it most likely was meant for the militia and not individuals.

There are two good points he makes. The first is the implied use of the firearms. Obviously they weren't meant to commit a crime, which leaves hunting, shooting for sport, defense, and fighting in an army (or militia or whatever). The text of the amendment specifically mentions fighting in the militia, but none of the other options. Why would the "Framers" leave them out if they were implied? Stevens points to the Declaration of Rights for Pennsylvania and Vermont, which were written around the time of the 2nd Amendment, both of which specifically mention “the people have a right to bear arms for the defence of
themselves and the state”. Why would the authors of the amendment leave it out when contemporary text specifically kept it in?

The other good point he makes is interpreting "to keep and bear arms". He claims that the phrase at the time the amendment was written, referred to military use. "To Keep" meant that members of the militia were allowed to store their weapons at home, and "bear arms" implied the military use.

So far it has been an interesting read. I still agree that people should be allowed to own guns, but I can understand why the decision was so close.
1691  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: District of Columbia v. Heller -- Decision tomorrow on: June 26, 2008, 03:45:21 PM

Quote from: Tareeq on June 26, 2008, 03:06:41 PM

We've made a pdf copy of the full opinion with all dissents available for download at Popehat.

Awesome. When I first saw that pdf I thought it was just the majority opinion. Good to know it has the dissenting ones as well.
1692  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: District of Columbia v. Heller -- Decision tomorrow on: June 26, 2008, 02:54:41 PM
I'm interested in seeing the dissenting opinion. I saw on CNN that it was a 5-4 decision. I'm surprised it was that close.
1693  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 100 Pushups - 6 week program. Who's in? on: June 26, 2008, 02:27:12 PM
I usually keep my hands fairly wide. Normally just outside of my shoulders. I definitely feel it in my shoulders and down my sides for some reason. And after Day 2 my chest felt like it did after a normal workout routine.
1694  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Help me like The Who on: June 25, 2008, 05:34:06 PM
I think seeing them live is the way to get hooked. When I was a kid I heard the songs on the radio but didn't care too much. But my Dad took me to go see them (Daltry, Townshend, Entwistle, and Starkey) when I was about 13. I've been hooked ever since.

I really like the DVD of their performance at the 1970 Isle of Wight Festival. It has a lot of their early hits, and a short version of Tommy that they perform live.

You can get the special edition from amazon for $14.99, or the regular edition for $3.99 or something like that.

The next step would be one of their "best of" albums, My Generation: The Very Best of The Who. It looks like it has been re-released a couple of times over the years, but I don't know the difference between them outside of price, which ranges from under $1 to $21.99.

If there is a part of you that is going to like The Who, you will know after listening to that album or watching them live.
1695  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: John McCain is a turtle. Barack Obama is a zerg. on: June 25, 2008, 05:14:26 PM
That was awesome.
1696  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 100 Pushups - 6 week program. Who's in? on: June 25, 2008, 03:04:43 PM

Quote from: Thin_J on June 25, 2008, 02:32:33 PM

I think the weird thing for me so far is that after the initial test I was sore that day, and after day 1 I was sore almost immediately.

Today I feel fine.

Opposite for me. I was fine after the initial test and Day 1. Then yesterday I started getting sore down my sides, and today after the Day 2 exercises my arms, shoulders, and chest muscles are screaming. Putting deodorant on was a chore  retard

I've been out of the gym for 3 months now, and my muscles are punishing me for it.
1697  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XBLA] Ticket to Ride...soon? on: June 25, 2008, 02:59:06 PM

Quote from: Dreamshadow on June 25, 2008, 02:52:25 PM

I could only access the NA tutorial and the NA map this morning.  How did you select Europe?

I didn't. I only played the NA map. But I saw in the "How to Play" section rules for the Europe map, and icons for train stations on the avatars. Since I had never played before, I figured I would stick to the NA map to learn the basics.

That would suck if they include all of that and not allow you to play those maps. I checked the DLC and it doesn't have anything but the game and the trailer.
1698  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XBLA] Ticket to Ride...soon? on: June 25, 2008, 02:09:02 PM

Quote from: EddieA on June 25, 2008, 07:45:53 AM

IGN has posted their review - 6.5/10.

Wow. That's a terrible review. I'm pretty sure they picked the wrong person, as he clearly has no interest in board games.
1699  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XBLA] Ticket to Ride...soon? on: June 25, 2008, 02:04:37 PM
I downloaded this morning and gave it a shot. The tutorial tells you everything you need to know in terms of playing the game, but doesn't give you any real gameplay or strategy experience. And for someone who never played the board game, that was a bummer.

Still, I purchased it this morning. It looks like they have the North American map, the European map, and one other. I played a 2-player game against the computer on easy and another game against the computer on easy with the max number of players (6 I think?). I won both easily. Maybe today or tomorrow I will try the other maps and see the difference.

I definitely enjoyed the game, as against the computer they went quickly. Probably 15-20 minutes each.

I was hoping they would allow two people to play from the same xbox, as I think this is a game my girlfriend would enjoy, but I don't think that is an option.

I can't speak for those that played the board game, but if you are looking for a quick diversion this seems like a fun game.
1700  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Bush calls for congress to open areas for drilling on: June 25, 2008, 01:46:40 PM
I think most people will be up to the idea of having these things close to them, if the benefits outweigh the problems. The main concern I would have would be if prices of homes drop because of the NIMBY effect, and how much. I don't know about many drawbacks to these alternative power sources, but from the few that I have read the only one that sounds like a big deal is the noise made by the wind farms that Blackadar mentioned.

I would imagine that if people in the surrounding areas have to put up with inconveniences, many of them will be fine with it if they get a break on electricity or something like that. People will put up with stuff if it saves them a couple bucks.
1701  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Everyone in this forum please read on: June 25, 2008, 01:38:11 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on June 25, 2008, 02:59:25 AM

I think some of us - myself included - need to recognize that we've more a part of the problem than part of the solution lately.  We also had a large influx of new posters who may have been used to posting in a different manner than what we've typically had here at GT.  This thread may help both sides of the equation - helping those of us who have gotten shrill to get our act together and provide more guidance to newer members on the GT method of R&P posting.

No offense, but I've seen far more troll-like, personal flaming behavior here in GT than I ever did in OO. Maybe it's us who should be giving you lessons.


OO gets personal in some situations, and some people get it much worse than others. But I have seen some posts here where I would have been very offended if I was the target of the attack.
1702  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 100 Pushups - 6 week program. Who's in? on: June 25, 2008, 01:21:11 PM
I managed to do Day 2 better than I expected. Plus my wrist hasn't been a problem, which helps.
1703  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: When was the last time someone changed your mind on an P/RN topic? on: June 24, 2008, 07:11:50 PM
I can't remember anything making me do a complete 180 on a position I believed in. But people posting here and at OO have definitely helped shaped my opinion, and almost always make me think of things differently than I would have on my own.
1704  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [100 pushups] Results Tracker Thread. on: June 24, 2008, 04:02:09 PM
Initial test: 7
Level of intensity: Rank 2
2nd Test: 19
Level of intensity: Rank 1

1705  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Everyone in this forum please read on: June 24, 2008, 02:09:55 PM

Quote from: Canuck on June 24, 2008, 02:00:29 PM

Someone must be doing a lot of reporting! I see a lot of crap on here but that's when I just flip to the next thread-pointless arguing gets boring real fast.  On the other hand, politics and religion has its own forum for a reason-these discussions can get pretty heated.  I say if people are going to participate in a Religion/Politics forum then they need to throw on their asbestos suit and lose the sensitivity.  Keep your fingers off the report button people!  That is for the wussies in Off Topic slywink

I feel like I have thick skin, and don't get bothered too much by posts on a message board. But even so, some of the attacks have become very personal towards others and should stop.
1706  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Bush calls for congress to open areas for drilling on: June 23, 2008, 09:27:12 PM
Drilling for oil sounds nice and like a short fix, except it takes time to get everything working. Even if 10 years is an exaggeration, even 5 years can be too long given the way our economy looks. I would rather see those 5 years being used to find some way to get us away from using oil, or at least cut demand for it enough that prices can come back down or stabilize.

I would really like to see someone explore other methods like solar power and wind turbines to create more energy. I live in Florida, Most of the homes here would benefit from having solar panels. Same with the southwest states. They could create a ton of power. Other natural methods could be used wherever it makes sense. The problem is everyone is looking for the perfect solution, and it doesn't exist. It's going to take an entire overhaul of our culture and lifestyle for this to happen.
1707  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 23, 2008, 09:16:20 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on June 23, 2008, 09:05:01 PM

Quote from: msteelers on June 23, 2008, 08:57:41 PM

That would be a better post if the Republicans weren't famous for using sleazy tactics, and not just racism.

Yep only republicans use dirty campaign tactics.     Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes    Sometimes the partisan slant of this board is appaling.

You are arguing a point that no one is making, with the exception of the two posters who are blindly loyal to the democrats.
1708  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 23, 2008, 08:57:41 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on June 23, 2008, 08:54:17 PM

Quote from: Geezer on June 23, 2008, 08:43:34 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on June 23, 2008, 08:18:49 PM

One of the things that I think is going to happen more, as we are already seeing it, is that people will label opposition to Obama as being linked to some type of racism from the person who dislikes Obama.   We have already seen it in this thread where MSD has basically been called a racist by more then one person.   One can have not a shred of racism in them and still think Obama would be a horrible failure as a president.    But the racism card will be played by some Obama supporters to try and shame people who oppose him, and that is going to be quite sad to see.

No.  MSD was passingly associated with racists by one person.  No one else has come close.  The problem MSD has is that in national campaigns that have garnered huge amounts of attention, conservative groups, generally republican-leaning in focus, have made a science of trashy thinly veiled innuendo and smears over the past couple of decades.  Because of that, fairly or not, Obama supporters are going to be hyper-sensitive to such activities. 

It's not to say that left-leaning and Democratic-party supporting groups haven't indulged in the same behavior - but it's the conservatives that have really abused this kind of politics repeatedly IMHO.

Paraphrasing msduncan:  "It's not okay for Senator Obama to warn people about Republican tactics until we've deployed them more widely."

It seems you're just angry that your ilk aren't getting a free pass to promote their unique brand of sleaze under cover of darkness. 

Neither of those comments were very subtle in calling MSD a racist, so im not sure where you get that just one person 'passingly' associated with being a racist, as both those quotes were quite clear in making that attack.

And again it was Clinton and her supporters who first started on the racial tones against Obama, but repubs of course are the ones who seem to be getting all the blame for any racial tones to this campaign season.

That would be a better post if the Republicans weren't famous for using sleazy tactics, and not just racism.
1709  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (6/23) on: June 23, 2008, 01:48:50 PM
I added Alone in the Dark to my gamefly account. Maybe I'll get lucky and have it sent to me soon. I've got to save money for next month when I'll get Civilization Revolutions and NCAA.
1710  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 100 Pushups - 6 week program. Who's in? on: June 23, 2008, 01:45:16 PM
Initial test: 7  crybaby

I did the Day 1 workout this morning. 7/7/5/4/7.

I've noticed that my left wrist starts to throb after awhile. I'm hoping that as I move through the workouts this becomes less painful, and doesn't get worse. It seems that way anyway. Saturday when I did the initial test I quit because of the wrist, but today it only bothered me a little bit.

I'm going to fill in the off days with some kind of cardio. I've looked at that couch to 5k program, but I don't know if I want to do it or not. I'll probably start with it anyway, and see how it goes.
1711  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Bioshock - I'm at that part again .... on: June 20, 2008, 03:38:23 PM
From what I remember Big Daddies were easy if you could keep them away from you. I ran back a lot and pumped them full of bullets.

As for the docks portion I don't remember having too much difficulty with it, unless I am thinking of a different part. I remember freezing the bad guy and being done with it. The telekineses was fun too.
1712  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: NCAA 09 Demo up on Live. on: June 20, 2008, 01:33:39 PM
I got a chance to mess around with the demo this morning. I did a couple of plays in the mascot game, but turned that off after a drive and switched to the "real" teams.

It's more of the same. It felt exactly like I was playing NCAA '08. I noticed a couple new animations, and gang tackling is more evident in this version, especially on kickoffs. The new features are not that intrusive, and make sense. The two that I really like were the coaching adjustments and diagnosing the opponents defense. At seemingly random parts throughout the drive, a menu will come up for coaching adjustments. They can give you the option for everything from block better, to get the ball back, to get the crowd into it. I don't think these are over powered though, at least from the four times I used it. On defense I chose to cover the receivers better. The CPU still completed their passes. Then I chose to get the crowd into it, and they cheered a little louder but that is it. Then when it looked like I the CPU was putting together a big drive I chose "get the ball back" on a 3rd and long. The next play was an out pass where my defender made a perfect jump on the route, but dropped the ball. And on the last play of the game, I was tied 10-10, on my own 15-yard line. I chose to "get open", and saw my receiver find a hole between the safety and the cornerback. I tossed the ball to him as time expired. He caught it and burned the safety for the game winning TD. So to me this feature is promising from the demo. The only negative I can say from it is the first couple of times I saw it was 4th down, so the adjustments were useless at that point unless I was planning on going for it.

The other feature allowed you to diagnose the defense. It seemed like it only came up after I threw an interception. They show still shots of the play, and give you three plays to choose from. If you choose the correct play, your QB gets a confidence boost. If you choose the wrong one your QB's confidence goes down. I really liked this feature a lot, because it gives you a chance to learn from your mistakes.

The other feature that I read about was the ability to "ice the kicker". This feature scares me, only because I can see EA making it too powerful. Essentially if you call a timeout before a kick it can take their composure down or something like that. I'll have to see.

Graphics are ok. Honestly, I don't see any difference between this years and last years. They put more detail in the cheerleaders...and the field. Nothing to get excited about.

Turnovers were a little crazy in my game. My second play I threw an interception, but it was my fault 100%. I threw it into triple coverage. Then the next drive I threw one that was probably my fault as well, since I took control of the receiver by accident and he stopped running. But on that same play the DB who intercepted the ball fumbled. Then the next play my QB fumbled it right back. It could have just been a whacky sequence of plays, or it could have been a sign that the turnovers were not addressed.

The other thing I didn't like was in the ratings of the teams. Both OSU and LSU were rated as a 99 overall...seriously, that shouldn't happen. IMO, there is no such thing as a 99 team right away. The only time I am ok seeing a 99 team is if it is a fake school that I create, an all-star team, or a team where I recruited very, very well. Hopefully this is just for the demo, as these were the #3 and #6 teams according to their rankings. I would hate to have at least 6 teams rated 99.

None of these things would make me want to purchase the game. But Online Dynasties have been something I have been wanting for years. That feature alone will make it worth the $60 price tag, unless they completely screw it up.
1713  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: "We (the government) should own the refineries" on: June 19, 2008, 08:23:53 PM

Quote from: Toe on June 19, 2008, 06:50:29 PM

Quote from: msduncan on June 19, 2008, 01:36:48 AM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 19, 2008, 01:22:42 AM

House Democrats?  No, more like House Democrat.  Plus, it needs to come from a legitimate news source, or it didn't happen.  Faux News doesn't count.

I'm tired of this excuse.   Fox News is a legitimate news source whether you like it, or hate it.

How could you call a news organization put out something like this legitimate?

That's awesome on multiple levels.
1714  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 100 Pushups - 6 week program. Who's in? on: June 19, 2008, 07:27:13 PM
I have always been terrible at push-ups, and weak in the upper body in general. This sounds like a good challenge. I'm in.

1715  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: NCAA 09 Demo up on Live. on: June 19, 2008, 07:04:33 PM

Quote from: IkeVandergraaf on June 19, 2008, 06:10:37 PM

I don't know if I will download this or not.  I always but the new NCAA game anyway (I know, fuck EA) and I don't want to get pissed off this early in the summer.

Normally I try the demo, get completely sucked back in, buy the game, and within a week I am cursing EA's name. I think I have the strength to stay away...but online dynasties is what I have been hoping for...
1716  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Tiger Woods is amazing. on: June 19, 2008, 07:01:10 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on June 19, 2008, 06:48:21 PM

Shrug. Sorry, I respect that he's an extremely talented athlete, I just don't get all goo-goo over him like most. I enjoyed golf before Tiger came along, and I'll enjoy it after he retires. I think it's unfortunate that a lot of talented golfers end up having to play in his shadow due to the way the media hypes him.

He pitches fits on the course, throws his clubs, yet nobody says a word. And the announcers always have an excuse. For that putt he missed on the back 9, they were talking about how the ball "hit something" which is why he missed the put. Bullshit, he fucking MISSED it. Hit a bad shot? "Oh, that knee must really be bothering him."

I will admit it's probably much more the announcers/media fault than Tiger's, as he seems like a really nice guy. But the whole "event" that surrounds him I don't care for.

The announcers definitely are annoying most of the time. But this is no different than John Madden with his unusual man love for Brett Favre and Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.

I do get annoyed with the TV coverage the way they cover every single Tiger shot no matter how far behind he is from the leader. But at the same time the majority of golf fans are watching to see him.

Plus, Johnny Miller talks out his ass anyway. No, that ball didn't hit anything. Nobody else played that course that day, and if anything was there Tiger would have seen it and removed it in the 20 minutes it takes him to line up his putts.
1717  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: "We (the government) should own the refineries" on: June 19, 2008, 06:44:34 PM
Oil makes the country run. It affects everything, and because of that, I'm not opposed to the idea of the government stepping in and regulating the process. Or at least discussing the pros and cons of it without completely dismissing it out of hand as socialism the second the idea comes up.
1718  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Tiger Woods is amazing. on: June 19, 2008, 06:14:46 PM

Quote from: Toe on June 19, 2008, 05:52:16 PM

Quote from: dmd on June 19, 2008, 05:10:25 PM

I guess we were watching different tournaments.  I saw several shots off the tee where he put it in the fairway but winced in pain.  I remember a shot on the 18th off the fairway where he hit a pretty darn good shot but looked like the pain was going to make him hurl.

Oh come on now, you know Tiger needs to leverage every thing he can to prove to the golfing world he is a good golfer. Up until the injury he only made 7,229 bad shots anyway. Well he has exscuses for every one of them ranging from 9/11 disaster to bird shadows during his backswing.

 Roll Eyes
1719  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: NCAA 09 Demo up on Live. on: June 19, 2008, 06:05:33 PM

Quote from: Brendan on June 19, 2008, 05:55:04 PM

You get the opportunity to "coach your team" at various times.  You're presented with a menu that allows you to choose a particular coaching focus for the remainder of the drive.  Stuff like "Make your tackles" or "Get the ball back" on defense.  It apparently boosts appropriate stats until the drive ends.

Uh-oh. That has the potential to be an amazing feature in the game, and could drastically change the way I play (I would rather coach than play each game). But knowing EA it will probably be broken and have no way to turn it off.
1720  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: NCAA 09 Demo up on Live. on: June 19, 2008, 05:47:27 PM
Nice! I'll be downloading this when I get home.
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