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2401  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Boston Is Awesome. on: April 20, 2008, 01:09:04 PM
Yes.  Boston is awesome!    And I'm also talking about the band.   And I also would love to visit the city at some point.

In other words:   I agree 100% with your post.
2402  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 20, 2008, 01:07:32 PM

Quote from: Brendan on April 20, 2008, 01:32:24 AM

Oh, please.  You'd be saying the same things about King that you're saying about Wright today.  After all, King said "America was founded on genocide, and a nation that is founded on genocide is destructive."  James Cone, the originator of black liberation theology, cites King as an inspiration.

You either 1) don't care or 2) don't understand the context of Wright's speeches, and the purpose of black theology, which arose as a direct response to segregation.  There's plenty of reading material about it on the internet, but if I recall correctly, you live in a state that elected George Wallace to a landslide victory in the early 60s.  Roll Tide.

I won't dignify that with a response.

2403  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 20, 2008, 12:33:17 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on April 20, 2008, 12:07:35 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 20, 2008, 01:00:57 AM

I think you are inferring that my avatar is racist?   If not, then I totally misread your intentions.
If so... then you have a warped sense of reality.    This guy (Wright) has been spouting hate for years.   Just because it's aimed at white people doesn't make it excuseable.


Just curious -and I want an honest answer here - do you see Wright and his comments any differently than Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell?

Yes.
2404  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 20, 2008, 12:32:13 PM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on April 20, 2008, 05:49:33 AM

Quote from: msduncan on April 19, 2008, 11:57:53 PM

The wholesale discrimination that some people somehow think happens isn't going on.   It's not happening.

Have you ever compared to the per capita spending on the education of a black child in an inner city school district with the per capita spending on the education of a white kid in the suburban school district just a few miles away? Particularly in the South, we set minorities up to fail by establishing school districts whose funding is determined by the home values of the neighborhoods around the school -- thus poor kids, in need of the biggest hand up 'cause they'll never be able to actually afford to pay for college, end up with the worst teachers, the worst facilities and out of date textbooks.

Middle class whites of a generation ago picked up and moved out of the cities when the big bad government said it wasn't okay to shunt black students into separate schools anymore, thus using geography to re-establish the segregation that mere statute was no longer able to achieve. In the process, the "white flight" destroyed property values because of the mass sell-off, thus further wounding the now "integrated" mostly-minority urban districts. Of course, white Americans today are not racist like their parents and grandparents were, but the geographic bifurcation of American society continues to exist, because it's become hardwired into the design of our communities.

So while outright, wholesale discrimination like we used to have in the South may not exist anymore, but it's legacy lives on. And conservatives fight reasonable efforts to pool and more reasonably distribute educational funds, preferring instead to push non-solutions like "vouchers" which would do nothing to help most inner-city school kids, as suburban schools don't want them, vouchers or no, and neither suburban districts or private schools have the capacity to take them... all vouchers would do is drain away a few of the best and brightest and leave the rest of the students to rot in an even further under-funded system.

You cannot say that race is not a problem in America while the quagmire of uneven education continues to ill-serve minority children, blocking their aspirations and limiting their dreams. Even a kid more hard working and determined than you claim to have been will have a hard time succeeding with the entire educational deck stacked against him. He won't get the education his peers in the suburbs will get. He won't come out of high school with the same skills. He won't have the extracurricular activities that make an application pop. His parents aren't alumni anywhere, which puts him at a further disadvantage. Oh, and he can't afford college, and federal college loans are being cut to pay for Bush's idiotic tax cuts.

There is still a great deal of work to be done to repair the legacy of racism in this country. Only a fool would deny that even this present generation of minority children is at an institutional, pervasive disadvantage when it comes to competing. The problem is still here amongst us. Apparently you don't see it, from your privileged point of view.

What you are talking about is systemic, not outright perpetrated by corporations or business.   My point was that there is a real effort in business these days to level the playing field and promote minority candidates.     It's having a real impact in my company -- and for the positive.
2405  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 20, 2008, 01:19:45 AM

Quote from: Brendan on April 20, 2008, 01:16:26 AM

Forget it - it's purposeless to engage you.  It's like you completely lack empathy.

If you can't see the Grand Canyon sized gap between what Wright preaches and what Dr. King preached, then there's no way I can engage you either.
2406  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 20, 2008, 01:13:31 AM

Quote from: Brendan on April 20, 2008, 01:08:49 AM

Jeremiah Wright gave up a student deferment to join the Marine Corps during Vietnam where he served two years, transferred to the Navy where he graduated as valedictorian of his corpsman school class, graduated the naval medical center as salutatorian, and was awarded three letters of commendation by the Johnson White House for his medical care of the President of the United States of America.  He's unquestionably a patriot who has earned, more than you or I, the right to use the first amendment to speak out about things he considers injustices.



And so someone that does all that can't be an anti-white bigot?

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“In the 21st century, white America got a wake-up call after 9/11/01. White America and the western world came to realize that people of color had not gone away, faded into the woodwork or just ‘disappeared’ as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns.” --Wright

2407  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 20, 2008, 01:00:57 AM

Quote from: the Nightbreeze on April 20, 2008, 12:52:39 AM

Sir.

Take your avatar.

Print it on a t shirt.

Walk through Compton.

Tell them your views.

It is bound to work out very well for you, trust me.

I think you are inferring that my avatar is racist?   If not, then I totally misread your intentions.
If so... then you have a warped sense of reality.    This guy (Wright) has been spouting hate for years.   Just because it's aimed at white people doesn't make it excuseable.
2408  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 19, 2008, 11:57:53 PM

Quote from: Brendan on April 19, 2008, 11:26:02 PM

This is all very far afield from the topic of Expelled, and how intellectually dishonest it is, so I'll confine myself to one more response on the topic of opportunity.

Gender and race are certainly still issues in this country, and the two exceptions you cite don't prove the rule (although it's a common logical fallacy marched out by conservatives who want to kill affirmative action, or who fight the equal rights amendment).  There's plenty of studies that show significant differences in the workplace, and I'd dig up a bunch of links if I thought you'd ever admit any evidence that contradicted your existing beliefs.  However, you've already said that facts aren't what's most important to you, so I'll save myself the heartache and just forget about it.

If there is a difference in racial makup in corporate america, it's because there is a difference in the number of candidates.    We have clear diversity goals, and it's placed almost to a sacred level of importance in the company.   I don't disagree with those initiatives either -- they are important to getting a good mix of perspectives and skills.      In other words, those initiatives in corporate America are critical to a competitive and successful workplace in my opinion.

The wholesale discrimination that some people somehow think happens isn't going on.   It's not happening.    There are far too much education, initiatives, and emphasis being put on this in all levels of the organization.     If someone even suspected someone was racist or discriminating at all, it would spell the end of that person's career one way or another.


Edit:  but you are right.  we are way off track on a derail.
2409  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 19, 2008, 11:08:53 PM
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You may be hard working, but you're still fortunate.  If you get laid off and can't find work despite your pristine resume because the economy's screwed, you'll be unfortunate.

One scenario that may well happen if Obama is elected in November.  slywink

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  If you develop a chronic illness and can't find new health care because of a pre-existing condition, you'll be unfortunate.  If your existing health care refuses to cover some necessary medication because it's "experimental", you'll be unfortunate.  Hard work is sometimes not enough, particularly for those people who start out at the bottom without the advantages that skin color and gender can confer.

You are really saying gender and skin color is a barrier to being successful?    Give me a break!    Corporate America is full speed ahead with diversity hiring, education, and development initiatives.    I have at least a diversity class every two quarters.    I work for a woman and have a dotted line to a black man.   They are both very intelligent, driven, and successful people that have had no problems rising in the corporation.

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Besides, the United States gave you everything.  If you'd been born in Durango or Coahuila, I'm sure your life and perspective would be very different.

Of course I would.   The United States gave me opportunity and freedom.   I used both to work my way through college, earn a degree, pay off the remaining debt, and be successful.
2410  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 19, 2008, 10:37:33 PM

Quote from: Brendan on April 19, 2008, 10:33:39 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 19, 2008, 10:28:53 PM

I have very good health coverage.    I take advantage of the freedoms of this country to advance my career and keep a good job.

You're fortunate.  Fifty million people in this country aren't as fortunate, and it's usually not for the lack of trying to "take advantage of the freedoms of this country".  You've got a great deal of hubris if you think that you're immune to bad luck, but I find that many conservative leaning people can't empathize with those who're less fortunate until they find themselves in a bad situation.

I'm not fortunate.   I'm hard working.    I secured my education.  I constantly work on my skills so that if I get layed off my resume will be pristine.     I worked my way to an education, to a job, and now to success.     Nobody gave me anything --  not even paid for my education.   I had pay the debt of going to get my skills off too.
2411  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 19, 2008, 10:34:53 PM

Quote from: Brendan on April 19, 2008, 09:46:08 PM

The central message of Expelled is bullshit.  They claim that six scientists were persecuted for their views on "intelligent design."  Hence, the title of the movie.  It turns out that it's a fabrication.

The central message of Bowling for Columbine is that Americans are obsessed with guns, and a number of other ancillary points about violence in American culture.  Editing a Charlton Heston speech uncharitably does not alter that message, even if the editing is dishonest.  Omitting that section entirely wouldn't alter the message.  There are far more gun-related homicides in the United States than other first world nations.  That's not a fiction.


Yes... but there are nations with higher percentages of gun ownership with far fewer gun related homicides.   The problem is not in guns, but society and culture.
2412  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 19, 2008, 10:32:57 PM

Quote from: Lee on April 19, 2008, 07:00:11 PM

Quote from: pr0ner on April 19, 2008, 06:57:05 PM

So that prime example in Bowling for Columbine of Moore editing Charlton Heston speeches together to misrepresent what Heston was truly saying isn't a "core fundamental misrepresentation"?

Sure it is, but misrepresentation of a crazed actor who is being used as a figurehead isn't the same as misrepresenting a philosopher or scientist who actually knows what he is talking about. smile

That actor chose to be the spokesman for the NRA because he believes in it.   You speak of the NRA as if they are some shadowy backroom smoke and mirrors group.    They are actually made up of 4 million citizens, and you can join any day you want and participate.     I was a recruiter for the NRA an signed up many folks.   I did it in my own time, but the NRA sent me materials and the like.    It was my time and energy expended by my own choice.     Charton Heston's time and energy by his own choice contributed to the cause as well.
2413  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 19, 2008, 10:30:13 PM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on April 19, 2008, 06:38:27 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 19, 2008, 05:49:41 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on April 19, 2008, 04:48:09 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 19, 2008, 04:02:55 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on April 19, 2008, 03:58:19 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 19, 2008, 03:38:26 PM

Well that all comes down to political opinions doesn't it?   

Actually, no, it doesn't.  Facts are facts.

Actually, yes, it does.   Your facts are what I see as opinions.   My facts are what you see as opinions.

Uh, no.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact


Nice wikipedia link.   If it comes out of Michael Moore's head, it's dismissed as bullshit by me and you aren't going to convince me if you link the library of congress.

Ah, a prime example of conservative anti-intellectualism, the cancer that has destroyed the philosophical underpinnings of the American conservative movement.

FACTS are FACTS. If Moore says that the sky is blue, that's a fact. It's INTERPRETATIONS that are up for grabs and based on opinion.

The basic FACTS about, say, comparative costs for citizens in different countries who need healthcare in Sicko are accurate, or they're not facts. Facts don't simply become opinion because you don't like the speaker. Now, the interpretation and conclusions drawn from those facts are debatable, but that's a totally different matter.

With a movie like Expelled, people aren't raising alarms simply because they disagree with the interpretations and conclusions drawn by the filmmakers, but because the things presented as "facts," even in the preview, simply aren't factual information by any meaningful measure. That's the difference between Moore's Sicko and this film.

If you can't see that, then you're really not going to be able to contribute anything useful to a conversation about either film.

I don't wish to contribute to conversations about either film.   My comments were that these films are full of lies and half truths on both sides, and I don't go to the theatre to watch them.
2414  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 19, 2008, 10:28:53 PM

Quote from: Brendan on April 19, 2008, 06:30:22 PM

Quote from: Lee on April 19, 2008, 06:23:21 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 19, 2008, 05:49:41 PM

If it comes out of Michael Moore's head, it's dismissed as bullshit by me and you aren't going to convince me if you link the library of congress.

Ignorance is bliss.

Yeah, his ignorance'll be bliss until he gets some sort of chronic illness that his health coverage won't pay for.


I have very good health coverage.    I take advantage of the freedoms of this country to advance my career and keep a good job.
2415  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 19, 2008, 05:49:41 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on April 19, 2008, 04:48:09 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 19, 2008, 04:02:55 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on April 19, 2008, 03:58:19 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 19, 2008, 03:38:26 PM

Well that all comes down to political opinions doesn't it?   

Actually, no, it doesn't.  Facts are facts.

Actually, yes, it does.   Your facts are what I see as opinions.   My facts are what you see as opinions.

Uh, no.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fact


Nice wikipedia link.   If it comes out of Michael Moore's head, it's dismissed as bullshit by me and you aren't going to convince me if you link the library of congress.
2416  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I think I'm having a mid-life crisis. on: April 19, 2008, 04:23:15 PM
I agree.     If you do it...get a Harley.     The crotch rockets are gay.
2417  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 19, 2008, 04:02:55 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on April 19, 2008, 03:58:19 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 19, 2008, 03:38:26 PM

Well that all comes down to political opinions doesn't it?   

Actually, no, it doesn't.  Facts are facts.

Actually, yes, it does.   Your facts are what I see as opinions.   My facts are what you see as opinions.
2418  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 19, 2008, 03:38:26 PM

Quote from: Brendan on April 19, 2008, 03:29:19 PM

Most documentarys are one-sided.  I assume what you two are actually referring to is the tactic of ambush journalism that characterizes Moore's films as well as Expelled.  Sure - they have genetic similarities, but that doesn't mean that they're equivalent.  Moore is a ham, a provocateur, and can be irritating.  The Stein movie is just full of shit.  Sicko isn't a perfect movie, but it certainly doesn't make core fundamental misrepresentations like Expelled (apparently) does.
Well that all comes down to political opinions doesn't it?   I think that Moore's movies are full of shit.   So it depends on the perspective.
2419  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Debts, per President on: April 19, 2008, 03:22:59 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on April 19, 2008, 02:41:32 AM

I just got back from a conference for a week.  Time to pick up the liberal banner and carry on!


 Tongue

Welcome back.   I hate all week conferences.    I don't like staying away from the wife and kids for that long of a stretch.... not to mention the bed and consoles.
2420  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Uncharted: Drake's Fortune on: April 19, 2008, 03:14:35 PM
This thing is actually pretty good.     I rented it through gamefly and am having fun with it.      thumbsup
2421  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: I hate cable newscasters on: April 19, 2008, 03:12:51 PM

Quote from: Lee on April 19, 2008, 03:10:58 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 19, 2008, 03:07:36 PM

Quote from: Lee on April 19, 2008, 03:05:31 PM

Jesus, those legs.

Indeed.    I think we now officially agree on two things Lee...   love of photography and chicks.  smile nod

Hey, I may very well vote for McCain too. smile
And don't forget love of photography OF chicks.    So potentially 4 things?  smile
2422  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: I hate cable newscasters on: April 19, 2008, 03:07:36 PM

Quote from: Lee on April 19, 2008, 03:05:31 PM

Jesus, those legs.

Indeed.    I think we now officially agree on two things Lee...   love of photography and chicks.  smile nod
2423  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: I hate cable newscasters on: April 19, 2008, 02:59:55 PM

Quote from: Lee on April 19, 2008, 02:55:38 PM

I guess you like blondes.

Robin in the Morning on Headline News for the win! Except she is too damn perky, I want to slap her sometimes.

Oh there is no doubt, Robin is smokin:



I'd get her 'hot off the presses' any day of the week.   biggrin
2424  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: I hate cable newscasters on: April 19, 2008, 02:50:27 PM

Quote from: Lee on April 19, 2008, 02:16:29 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 19, 2008, 02:00:52 PM

Kiran....    nod

I KNEW you watched CNN! smile

She switched channels, and now when I go to check the news I look to see if it's her shift before going to Fox News.     

Overall fox news has the hottest newscasters by far.    There were a couple coworkers of the opposite political persuasion in the break room with me the other day, and they all switched it to Fox.   I asked why, and they said 'the chicks are HOT'.   Tongue
2425  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: I hate cable newscasters on: April 19, 2008, 02:00:52 PM
I cannot hate the cable newscaster that I have a huge crush on:




Kiran....    nod
2426  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 19, 2008, 01:46:38 PM

Quote from: Brendan on April 19, 2008, 04:24:45 AM

Boy, that's sure not true.

Actually, there is one Michael Moore movie that was panned.  Like Expelled, it's fiction.

I think he was referring to the one-sided documentary theme.      It's in vogue right now, just like Michael Moore's movies.    He wasn't referring to the ratings on rotten tomatos or critic ratings.
2427  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 18, 2008, 11:04:00 PM
And I didn't even check the date of the OP.   Tongue
2428  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Expelled on: April 18, 2008, 11:03:19 PM

Quote from: Lee on February 14, 2008, 10:12:33 PM

I'll watch it, but it does look to be very one sided with the viewpoint of "Us poor Christians are persecuted in this country". I like BS, but jeez he was a bit over dramatic in that clip.

Well this is the current trend --  like Michael Moore's movies from the left.     These type documentaries are selling these days, so you'll get some from both sides.
2429  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 18, 2008, 11:57:08 AM

Quote from: Rip on April 18, 2008, 10:50:06 AM

All right I am going to post this before I read what I haven't caught of the thread. I'm fearful that the bitching might bring my mood down. Anyway here is a piece of what I wrote in a PM to SirReal after responding to gracious offers of assistance/resources etc in helping me deal with my current server failure crisis.

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Thankfully I just cleared the final hurdle and am about to sprint for the finish. I just hope I still have enough gas. I had almost given up hope in trying to figure out the array striping but just when I was about to slink off to bed for my nightly three hour nap I hit the lottery. My nephew snarl and I just looked on dumbfounded for a few seconds when we saw the directory listing flash onto the screen. I think we were afraid to get our hopes up. But I have browsed the directory structure a little and I think we see light at the end of the tunnel.

I can say almost without a doubt that I have managed to reconstruct the two raid5 arrays that had failed. I won't post much else as I am rather tired, and I want to read the thread before I take a bath and head of to a busy Friday of working on other peoples crisis. If I have the energy I hope to restore the data to a VM and bring it online. All hosting accounts other than OO will resume operation. I will talk to staff about whether OO should come back fully right away or leave it read-only and proceed with the planned migration to a private VM of it's own. That could involve an upgrade to the forum software as well. My new fiber connection is supposed to be installed Monday, so I am looking forward to having a good week for a change.

edit: and then I forgot to press the post button before I went and read the thread. Well at least I had the right idea. Anyway here it is out of order..... icon_rolleyes


Thank you for what you are doing Rip.
2430  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Preorder changes on: April 18, 2008, 11:54:44 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on April 18, 2008, 04:19:37 AM

Quote from: Harkonis on April 18, 2008, 02:47:28 AM

Why don't you just pick up Mario Kart for the PS3 in case your Wii breaks. Tongue

cuz we all know the PS3 version of Mario Kart has serious framerate issues.

Jaggies
2431  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Preorder changes on: April 18, 2008, 12:51:06 AM
Well I went into gamestop today and cancelled my mario kart preorder and put the money toward GTA IV.      Mario Kart has the misfortune of launching the same week as GTA IV, and I know that if I bought both I'd wind up playing one and not the other.

So for now Wii Mario Kart has to wait.     I kept my Wii Fit preorder in tact, but I just couldn't do two major releases in one week --  especially in light of the current mixed reviews of Kart.

2432  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I'm having FUN! Are you having fun? on: April 17, 2008, 03:58:21 AM
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I never thought I'd be playing a shooter with my wife....

Bites tongue......   HARD.

 slywink
2433  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 17, 2008, 03:55:14 AM

Quote from: Blackhawk on April 17, 2008, 03:38:11 AM

Quote from: Arnir on April 17, 2008, 03:09:40 AM

I think it is a bit premature to eulogize OO just yet, but the lack of updates does seem to warrant some concern. 

I would agree.  We may need to discuss other alternatives once it either comes back or is confirmed dead, but it would be a mistake to do so already.  For one thing, Gedd has said that the most recent backup is at least a year old.  It is worth holding off just for the chance to reclaim all of that post history. 

By the way --  when i said I was taking a break from the R&P forum over there, this is NOT what I had in mind.
2434  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: General Grand Theft Auto IV Thread on: April 17, 2008, 01:47:53 AM

Quote from: wonderpug on April 17, 2008, 01:25:45 AM

UK TV ad for the game

Not spoilery at all, other than showing some of the locales in the game.

Anticipation through the roof.

I think I want to marry this game.
2435  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: MSNBC has no tact on: April 17, 2008, 01:22:23 AM
Is this finally the first topic we can all agree on???


 finger msnbc
2436  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: General Grand Theft Auto IV Thread on: April 16, 2008, 04:29:22 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on April 16, 2008, 04:19:47 AM

Quote from: msduncan on April 16, 2008, 04:15:20 AM

My secret fear is having my LAUNCH 360 crap out on me sometime in the next two weeks.

I'm still secretly considering changing my preorder to PS3 for that reason.   Am I paranoid?

didn't we already go through this?  icon_wink

I know I know.    I have to stay the course.     
2437  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: BARACKY! on: April 16, 2008, 04:19:27 AM

Quote from: Captain Caveman on April 16, 2008, 02:21:56 AM


What is amazing to me is that there is that much material and we aren't through the primary season yet!   Holy Moses this has been a long election year already.
2438  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: General Grand Theft Auto IV Thread on: April 16, 2008, 04:15:20 AM
My secret fear is having my LAUNCH 360 crap out on me sometime in the next two weeks.

I'm still secretly considering changing my preorder to PS3 for that reason.   Am I paranoid?
2439  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: April 16, 2008, 12:21:17 AM

Quote from: Remus West on April 14, 2008, 08:16:31 PM

Quote from: Purge on April 14, 2008, 08:04:48 PM

Quote from: Remus West on April 14, 2008, 07:29:39 PM

Quote from: Purge on April 14, 2008, 07:27:14 PM

I passed your sister, Lady Beet, just last week. I freaked out thinking it was blood.
Last week it was blood.  The next 3 weeks you should be safe. icon_eek

I think maybe the use of the word "passed" was missed on you, friend. slywink
In MSDuncan's honor.  "Roll Tide, roll." icon_eek
Thanks Remus.    Actually I was thinking this thread needed a little of this:



92,000 last year for the spring game.     78,200 this year for the spring game after a 7-6 season.       The tide is still high in Tuscaloosa.    #1 recruting class in the nation 2008.     We're getting back where we belong!   ROLL TIDE!
2440  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Can someone please tell this senile moron to shut up? on: April 15, 2008, 11:20:25 PM

Quote from: Brendan on April 15, 2008, 05:16:45 AM

I think skepticism is warranted given the history of the region.  The Israelis are certainly not going to stop killing leaders of Hamas and the various Fatah factions.  I'm just positing the idea that perhaps "exterminate all the brutes" is not going to achieve the best results.
I would agree with that and also say that the Fatah and Hamas aren't going to stop killing Israelis.
In other words, I don't think there is a peace process, agreement, plan, etc yet invented that will stop them from killing each other.   And this belief isn't based on religious convictions either -- it's based on the thought that these people have been killing each other for so long that neither side is going to stop.  Ever.   Or at least in our lifetimes.
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