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2241  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mario Kart Wii impressions on: May 25, 2008, 11:03:54 PM

Quote from: Godzilla Blitz on May 25, 2008, 09:02:36 PM

I got mine from Amazon a week ago, and they still have them listed as "in stock" now.

Thanks for the heads up!   Ordered.
2242  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mario Kart Wii impressions on: May 25, 2008, 07:51:20 PM


Well I can confirm after an exstensive search today that there isn't a copy available in Birmingham Alabama.
2243  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Indy IV: Who's in for Midnight??? on: May 25, 2008, 07:46:17 PM
Spoiler for Hiden:
YK, you know I'm conservative.    I'm also not an atheist.  However, I have to pass along something that is sort of related.   A friend of mine was in the Airforce during the 1970's.   His commanding officer was stationed at Wright Patterson during the 1940's.  Wright Patterson was where they reportedly took the wreckage and bodies of whatever it was that crashed in the desert in 1947 after they transported all of it from Roswell.  This guy saw things that he said was definately unexplainable, and in his opinion not from this earth.    Something happened out there in the desert in the 40's, and it wasn't a weather balloon. 
2244  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 25, 2008, 04:08:05 PM

Quote from: Pyperkub on May 25, 2008, 03:43:07 PM

You may also want to look at cartelligent - I have a friend who bought his toyota tundra from them about the same time as we got the hybrid, and he was very happy with the purchase experience, including price.  Bonus is that they deliver :-).  Other than those impressions, I can't tell you a lot about how it worked, but my friend is pretty savvy and it could be worth looking into.

That looks awesome.... but step 3 is to go to their office in California and sign papers and pick it up.    That would be a cross country drive for me.  Tongue
2245  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: GTA IV Multiplayer on: May 25, 2008, 04:03:25 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on May 21, 2008, 05:07:10 PM

Quote from: MrDuck on May 20, 2008, 10:42:52 PM

Got to get the sp game out of my system first before engaging in any serious mp smile Hope I can still spark some interest after I'm done, w000!!

biggrin



Sadly the people who play sp then multi often miss out of the huge mp boom of a release.  I prefer to play mp first, then sp when nobody is playing anymore slywink

Are you still playing MP?    I have a rented copy of the 360 version
2246  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Indy IV: Who's in for Midnight??? on: May 25, 2008, 03:53:29 PM


I enjoyed it.    Not my favorite of the Indy movies, but it was fun.     I think Shia did a great job, and Harrison was back to Indy for sure.

I hope it does a bazillion dollars so we can continue seeing successors to this movie come out.
2247  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 25, 2008, 02:53:10 PM

Quote from: cheeba on May 25, 2008, 12:23:15 AM

It's going to be difficult for you to not get screwed here, msduncan. Lots of people are doing as you are doing, as you know. The FJ is indeed more of a niche SUV, but anyone looking to buy an SUV has their pick of a ton of vehicles at insane prices. That said, there are some things you can do to get yourself less screwed.

First, Kelly Blue Book doesn't take into account the area, while Edmunds does. This makes Edmunds superior. American cars are more valuable in the midwest and south than in California where the proliferation of Japanese vehicles is at its highest, for example. So use Edmunds.

For your FJ, personally I would try to sell it on the market rather than trade it in. The dealership can and will try to screw you on the price of the trade-in, or if they give you a good price on the trade-in they'll try to make their money in other places.

You're already at a disadvantage on the MINI because you really want it. If a salesman hears that you drove 2 hours to look at that car, you're not in a good bargaining position. To get the best deal you need to have several vehicles in mind and not just the MINI. Go around and test drive the vehicles you're interested in, and the MINI if that still interests you, *then* figure out a bargaining strategy.

I think I may employ the technique I've used in the past:

Sell my FJ on private market.   The car market in B'ham seems to still be pretty strong.

Negotiate my MINI purchase over the phone a great deal before driving over.      In the past I've managed to get to a pretty good price if they are trying to get me to drive over.      I just tell them that they have to get to the right spot if I am going to drive over, but if I do drive over I'm going to buy it.

I dunno.   I'll ponder this.   I have a bit of time to think it over.
2248  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mario Kart Wii impressions on: May 25, 2008, 02:30:10 PM
In all my gaming years, I've never experienced a game being in short supply a MONTH after release.   I think Nintendo is still keeping supplies down in order to artifically boost demand.
2249  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mario Kart Wii impressions on: May 25, 2008, 04:28:43 AM
WTF?

I was in Gamestop and was going to pick this up for my family and the dude told me everywhere in a 3 hours radius was sold out of them.    He further explained that Gamestop supposedly bought up the last of the stateside stock and so there won't be any available.
2250  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (man card lossage?) on: May 24, 2008, 02:34:31 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on May 24, 2008, 02:05:30 PM

Quote from: msduncan on May 24, 2008, 01:12:35 PM


Do I try to sell myself, trade, or do I go down to somewhere like carmax?


I've always found a trade-in to be a very valuable bargaining chit. Every time I've ever traded in a car, I've gotten more than I could have sold it for -- and saved the hassle of having to sell it. For some reason (accounting or commissions, I imagine) dealers prefer to get a higher nominal price and then discount it. I think they have considerable leeway over what they can offer for trades, since no actual money is involved -- it's all just numbers on paper.

Of course, the condition of your vehicle and its marketability will come into play. When I traded in my Saturn SC2, they gave me double what I expected because the body was in very good condition and the interior was clean. Sports coupes are always in demand. Since you are part of a tidal wave of people trying to ditch gas guzzlers right now, you're likely to take a hit whichever way you go.

I don't know anything about carmax.


While you are right about gas guzzler tidal wave, you overlook the fact that the FJ is somewhat of a niche vehicle.     I see quite a few brand new FJ's driving around town here.    They aren't your typical SUV.
2251  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (man card lossage?) on: May 24, 2008, 01:12:35 PM
Alright guys....  how do I do this without getting ripped off?

I looked up my FJ on KBB and Edmunds.

KBB has it listed for trade in value a couple thousand less than I still owe.
Edmunds has it listed for trade in value $500 more than I owe.

Do I try to sell myself, trade, or do I go down to somewhere like carmax?

On the MINI side:    The nearest dealer is 2 hours away from me.    Do I invest (waste) a day driving over there and being tortured for the day which I hate.   Do I negotiate over the phone?     The deal is that I really would like to build mine so that it looks just like I want.     Does that cause me to lose any negotiating power I might have?     

Do I build one on MINI.com and register and save my creation so that then the dealers will call me about it?      Or does that also cause me to lose negotiating power?    The unique problem with MINIs is the fact that the dealerships are kinda uncommon.   There are 3 within 4 hours of me.   Two in Atlanta and one in Tennessee.   I have to be careful.
2252  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (man card lossage?) on: May 23, 2008, 02:30:38 AM

Quote from: The Meal on May 22, 2008, 05:19:59 PM

Quote from: msduncan on May 22, 2008, 03:54:29 AM

My entire object would be to save money.    The environment can bite me.
There are other options, if you're not doing it for the environment.  I contemplated the Prius before changing gears and going with an '07 Cooper MINI S.  There's some difference in mileage (the Prius likely wins, depending on your driving habits), and the man-card difference between the two is debatable, but there's definitely a difference in the ass-in-seat fun factor.  The MINI is fantastic.

Also other cars out there to consider in that price bubble.  BMW One-series.  Whatever gellar recommends.  Etc.

(I kept my Wrangler though.  And yeah, it's got more than a few scrapes on it earned on the trails up in the Rockies...)

Thank you for this post.    I went to the site, showed my wife, and she immediately fell in love and said I should get one.

Now the HARD part starts.    I have to somehow sell my FJ for enough to pay it off.    It's 4WD and a V6, and it's loaded.    I won't try to trade because you NEVER come out on the upper end of trades.   I'll list it in the classifieds and hope that the FJ draw is still a strong one.
2253  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (man card lossage?) on: May 22, 2008, 03:54:29 AM

Quote from: Magic on May 22, 2008, 02:49:22 AM

I can tell you from first hand experience, the SUV market is crap, to say the least. Ford Explorers, Toyota 4Runners, Chevy Tahoes, you name it... they're all off by about $4-6k that Kelly and NADA report them at. The auction market for them has tanked. In fact, I'm compared last week's copy of Galves (which is what about 99% of dealers in my area work from - a weekly list of average wholesale/auction prices) with a copy from about three months ago and a like for like Tahoe has seen about a $3500 hit. Needless to say, when a customer owes $22,000 on an 05 Tahoe with 35k on it, and we're seeing numbers short of 10k in auction, it's leaving a lot of folks in a bind.

Even then, when I have existing Toyota customers come in with their SUV's to trade into a camry, we're still seeing a hit. Traffic on any of the larger SUV's and trucks has waned.



Waiting lists for the Prius in the Philly market is up around about 6-10 weeks. I work for the biggest volume Toyota store in PA and we went from an inventory of about 25 to nothing in the span of six days at the end of April. We have another 20 scheduled to arrive over the next six weeks. We have a waiting list of 35 people. Wait times are going to be in the 3 month timeframe from here on out - and if you actually have an equipment preference or demand a certain color, that car will have to be custom ordered - six months. In california, there are quite a few dealers marking them up 1-5k over MSRP.

Now for the typical salesman question...

What about the prius (other than the gas mileage) attracts you to the car?

Are you looking to save some money, or save the environment?

Sticking with the Toyota lines... The new Corollas get 35+ on the highway, for around about $6-10k less when compared with similar equipment. The Corolla XRS with the 2.4 from the camry knocks another couple mpg off, but the drive and the styling is MUCH better than the prius.
Then there's the Matrix. The XRS Matrix is incredibly nimble, nice responsive tight steering, and keep up with a Civic Si despite the ~30HP gap (tourqey engine). And you can get it in orange.

Both are about the same size as the prius, and both have more useable cargo space.

Both are infinitely more fun to drive. With or without the third pedal.

You can actually get both loaded to the gills with nav, leather, etc if you so desire. And you'll get all the gas money up front in savings. 



My entire object would be to save money.    The environment can bite me.
2254  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (man card lossage?) on: May 22, 2008, 03:50:34 AM

Quote from: cheeba on May 22, 2008, 02:38:36 AM

Quote from: msduncan on May 22, 2008, 01:50:12 AM

Coolness factor:
FJ - 8
Wha?

No. No no no. Cool is a 68 Camaro. Cool is a 15-year old truck with dents and dings and battle scars all over it. Cool is a Jeep actually being used as a Jeep. Cool is a 16-year-old's first car. Cool is a Ferrari, Viper, Lambo, or any other sports car when the owner knows first hand how it does in the quarter mile.

Cool is NOT some SUV that has never seen a gravel road.

 icon_razz slywink

Mine has been on numerous and various graded off road courses here.   I had a Toyota Trail Team member ride along with me once too.   I've crossed a river in it.   I also went through a giant mud pit in it in which the water/mud mixture came up over the hood.    It hasn't been stuck yet.
2255  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (man card lossage?) on: May 22, 2008, 02:36:10 AM

Quote from: helot2000 on May 22, 2008, 02:22:26 AM

Quote from: Zarkon on May 22, 2008, 02:07:05 AM

That, or you can go hunt down a Geo Metro.
My brother owned a white Geo Metro that he named "The Egg." I miss the Egg.   

MS, the real question which you've probably already answered  is,  can you get a decent trade in value for your FJ?  It looks like a mini-SUV so you're probably ok.  NPR did a story today SUV owners getting hammered when they try to trade in and trade down.  They claimed dealers are offering 5k or more off the NADA value on SUV trade in values due to the glut of the vehicles.

If a new Prius is a 1 in coolness, my 1995 Mazda Protege must be, um, pretty low down.   Its faint praise but at least you'll be cooler than me.   slywink



I don't allow car dealerships to rip me off in trades.   I sell on the secondary market and take anything I made from that with me to negotiate the deal on a new one.
2256  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 22, 2008, 01:50:12 AM
Ok... so gas prices are $3.70 a gallon. Premium is almost $4.00 a gallon. My current vehicle takes premium. It also happens to be my favorite vehicle I've ever owned.   However, as gas prices continue to rise with no end in sight, I've recently started considering the unthinkable-- switching from this:



To this:




Coolness factor:
FJ - 8
Prius - 1

MPG factor:
FJ - 18 mpg
Prius - 46 mpg
2257  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Woot! Random Crap results on: May 22, 2008, 01:34:43 AM
BTW -- I was fortunte.   The Roomba is brand new, and the watch is too.    Wow!   great great crap!
2258  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Woot! Random Crap results on: May 22, 2008, 01:33:57 AM

Quote from: Hrothgar on May 21, 2008, 09:58:05 PM

Woot! sells one item per day usually at a pretty good discount.  Occasionally, they have a Woot Off.   Then they sell smaller quantities of items back to back at greater discounts until everything is sold out.  At the end (or near the end) of the Woot Off, they will sell 'Bags of Crap' for a dollar.  You can buy up to three.  Everything at Woot has a five dollar shipping charge.  So three bags plus shipping is $8 (plus tax if you live in Texas).   You can get anything in a Bag of Crap.  They're also the most popular items during the Woot Off and usually sell out in a minute or two even when they have thousands of bags.  There are even websites that track all the items people receive in their bags.  It's considered poor form at Woot to complain that someone better crap than you did.

Edit: I see Coop beat me too it, but perhaps this will still help.


Might also be worth noting that when Random Crap is posted, it sells out within seconds.
2259  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Woot! Random Crap results on: May 21, 2008, 04:06:13 AM

Quote from: Zero on May 21, 2008, 03:37:54 AM

What the heck is a "Lexxus"? 

That's the big box of coffee.
2260  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Woot! Random Crap results on: May 21, 2008, 02:05:11 AM
Close ups of the watch and roomba:



2261  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Woot! Random Crap results on: May 21, 2008, 01:57:47 AM
2262  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Indiana Jones Fedora Now Available on: May 21, 2008, 01:47:50 AM

Quote from: Tokek on May 21, 2008, 01:05:47 AM

Quote from: msduncan on May 21, 2008, 12:03:40 AM

Here is the direct product link from Lucas Film LTD:

Don't get ripped for $50

Hmm, that looks just like the ones they sell at Disneyland.  The price is about the same as well.  I wonder if it's the same one.

Not sure about Disneyland.   Disney World Indy hats aren't anything like the one they sent me.   I mean the hat is nice and stiff like it should be.   It has a leather (or pleather?) inside rim with silky material lining it inside.    Cap it off by the crown of the hat inside having a nice thick clear rubber material as lining.    Hard to describe, but extremely high quailty.
2263  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Woot! Random Crap results on: May 21, 2008, 12:08:59 AM
BOY did I hit it pretty big today with my Random Crap coming in the mail.   I'll be posting pictures later when my camera charges, but here is the gist of it:

1 x Woot!  Beer Bucket #1936/2000
1 x Roomba Discovery with all attachments, etc
1 x Bulova Men's watch with price tag still attached of $275!!!
1 x Case of Coffee Pods for those coffee machines that make one cup at a time (I have a Senseo so they will work in it)

All of that for a total of 8 bucks
2264  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Indiana Jones Fedora Now Available on: May 21, 2008, 12:03:40 AM
Here is the direct product link from Lucas Film LTD:

Don't get ripped for $50
2265  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Indiana Jones Fedora Now Available on: May 21, 2008, 12:00:19 AM

Quote from: ArmyOfOne on May 20, 2008, 01:41:33 AM

Actually, I bought mine about 6 years ago during a trip to Disney. 

What? It's not like I wear it or anything... It's a conversation piece!

 paranoid

Oh come on?  Like there isn't atleast one of you with a replica lightsaber!

For the record:   The ones for sale on indianajones.com are much much higher quailty than the ones from Disney.   
2266  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Indiana Jones Fedora Now Available on: May 20, 2008, 11:59:09 PM
I bought an official Fedora.   In fact it looks like the same one being sold at that link.

I bought mine direct from the official source though:   www.indianajones.com

It was $44.   It was 100% wool.   It's a real hat, has a silky cloth lining inside, and has the Indiana Jones logo on the inside.   

I was amazed at the quality of the hat.   I mean if it wasn't an Indy hat, it would still be a fine quailty hat.
2267  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: AOC loot question on: May 19, 2008, 11:57:12 PM

Quote from: DArtagnan on May 19, 2008, 06:00:25 AM

Quote from: msduncan on May 18, 2008, 10:11:45 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on May 18, 2008, 06:13:35 PM

Quote from: msduncan on May 18, 2008, 01:06:12 PM

Quote from: Arclight on May 18, 2008, 10:30:13 AM

Yeah pure drops for gear hasn't been great for me yet.(lv.14)
Quest rewards, and merchant stuff is the way to go so far.

This saddens me as this sounds precisely how the loot system for LOTRO is.    Crafting and Quest rewards are where the good loot comes from.    For those of you that didn't have the misfortune of seeing the effects of this long-term in LOTRO, let me give you a peek of the future of a game that goes this loot-route:

In about 40 levels...you will look around and notice that everyone looks the same and has the same gear.    Very very boring.     A system that mixes random valuable rares in, you have a huge variety of people wearing a huge variety of things.    THis will not happen in a game that forms their loot system like what LOTRO or seemingly AOC does.     

And for the record:   people claimed in the early life of LOTRO that the loot system probably wasn't finished.    Well... it was.   And it continued it's suckage to this very day.     

frown   I'll pass.

LotRO kind of has a framework they must stay within. There wasn't a lot of bling in Middle Earth. Even so, there is a ton of variety in loot. I'm not sure why you never saw it. Higher level characters look a lot more distinctive than they do in WoW, where everyone grinds until they all have the same old tier X gear or crafted class set. No differentiation at all. I'm glad for games that are more than just lusting after the uber gear.

Ale




And see this is where I differ.   I want a game where you can lust after uber gear, but you aren't 100% required to go into a raid to get it.    For instance:   you are a average joe fighting high level mobs for months both doing quests and in small groups or something simliar (non raid).    BLING!    You hit the jackpot on a random drop and get an uber item.

I don't understand why there has to be either all uber item raid dependencies, or NO uber items at all.    Why can't there just be uber items that randomly and very rarely drop in the world to make things interesting?   I mean it seems like devs either go all the way toward raiding, or they take out uber loot altogether.    There should be able to be loot that is randomly dropped for anyone very very rarely that is uber.     This isn't a hard concept.

I find it an incredibly simple concept, actually.

It is ESSENTIAL to keep a balance in the game that rewards effort and investment over random chance, or there'd be absolutely no point in the end-game activities for most people.

It'd be like society handing out millions of dollards - at random - to a few people just because it'd be neat for them. How pissed do you think the rest would be?

I totally support a combination of uber loot for uber raiding no-sleepers, and also the ultra rare opportunity that a rare item is out there somewhere in the wild.    And also an increased change of drop with rare or very hard to kill creatures, etc.

World of Warcraft got it fairly well right.    LOTRO did everything wrong.
2268  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Indy 4 Just Hooked Me on: May 19, 2008, 12:13:41 AM
Standing Ovation for Indiana Jones at Cannes
2269  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Indy 4 Just Hooked Me on: May 18, 2008, 10:22:48 PM

Quote from: rshetts2 on May 18, 2008, 08:38:14 PM


Some of the critics on rottentomators are applauding it, some are turning their nose up.    I always find it amusing when critics try to apply the rules of drama films to movies such as Indy and Star Wars.     I'd get angry, but instead I laugh my ass off knowing that these critics hate every second of the bazillions these movies they trash in reviews pull in.      Real people vote with their money.
2270  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: AOC loot question on: May 18, 2008, 10:11:45 PM

Quote from: Alefroth on May 18, 2008, 06:13:35 PM

Quote from: msduncan on May 18, 2008, 01:06:12 PM

Quote from: Arclight on May 18, 2008, 10:30:13 AM

Yeah pure drops for gear hasn't been great for me yet.(lv.14)
Quest rewards, and merchant stuff is the way to go so far.

This saddens me as this sounds precisely how the loot system for LOTRO is.    Crafting and Quest rewards are where the good loot comes from.    For those of you that didn't have the misfortune of seeing the effects of this long-term in LOTRO, let me give you a peek of the future of a game that goes this loot-route:

In about 40 levels...you will look around and notice that everyone looks the same and has the same gear.    Very very boring.     A system that mixes random valuable rares in, you have a huge variety of people wearing a huge variety of things.    THis will not happen in a game that forms their loot system like what LOTRO or seemingly AOC does.     

And for the record:   people claimed in the early life of LOTRO that the loot system probably wasn't finished.    Well... it was.   And it continued it's suckage to this very day.     

frown   I'll pass.

LotRO kind of has a framework they must stay within. There wasn't a lot of bling in Middle Earth. Even so, there is a ton of variety in loot. I'm not sure why you never saw it. Higher level characters look a lot more distinctive than they do in WoW, where everyone grinds until they all have the same old tier X gear or crafted class set. No differentiation at all. I'm glad for games that are more than just lusting after the uber gear.

Ale




And see this is where I differ.   I want a game where you can lust after uber gear, but you aren't 100% required to go into a raid to get it.    For instance:   you are a average joe fighting high level mobs for months both doing quests and in small groups or something simliar (non raid).    BLING!    You hit the jackpot on a random drop and get an uber item.

I don't understand why there has to be either all uber item raid dependencies, or NO uber items at all.    Why can't there just be uber items that randomly and very rarely drop in the world to make things interesting?   I mean it seems like devs either go all the way toward raiding, or they take out uber loot altogether.    There should be able to be loot that is randomly dropped for anyone very very rarely that is uber.     This isn't a hard concept.
2271  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: PS3 multiplayer interface needs emergency medical help on: May 18, 2008, 10:03:32 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on May 18, 2008, 03:59:09 PM

Call of Duty 4 is actually really easy to invite people to your party - if you check "friends" in the game, and if they don't show up there, they aren't online in Call of Duty 4.

It's one of the easiest games to get a group together for - you don't have to hang around the XMB.

Many games are now allowing you to check friends via the XMB.

I sent you an invite a few weeks ago, but after having that friend request "pending" for a couple of weeks, I canceled the friend invite.  I just assumed you didn't ever go online or never checked your messages :/

Please resend.   I wasn't checking my messages, and since I was more familiar with Live, I assumed there would be a notification when I logged in that I had one.    I didn't know I had one sitting in my inbox.
2272  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Help save my puppy on: May 18, 2008, 03:36:49 PM
Wasting ammunition by shooting in the air?   Blech.

Shoot the falcon.   The other falcons will get the message.
2273  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / PS3 multiplayer interface needs emergency medical help on: May 18, 2008, 01:35:33 PM

So for the first time since I've owned my PS3 (launch unit here), I decided to try multiplayer with some guys in the office that recently got PS3's. Hooking up with them online is like going to the dentist.

I boot up, and go over to the online tab. Here is displays a long neverending list of people that are both online and offline.   You can sort it...but this is the wierdest way to look through who is there.

I can't look to see who is online while I'm in a game. I have to get out to menu to look.   SUCKAGE.

I have to hang around at the PS3 menu to invite people to play. They have to be hanging around too, otherwise they'll likely miss that I'm trying to get them to play. All this translates to 2 solid weeks of trying to get together with just 4 guys in the office to play some COD4, and all of us missing each other and not being able to actually play with each other.

Sony needs to do SOMETHING to improve this. Even had I not been spoiled by the 360's interface all this time -- something that makes it this hard to actually hook up with people that are expecting you to play with them is unacceptable.     

Is Sony planning to overhaul this and create an environment where you can actually find your friends online to play?
2274  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: AOC loot question on: May 18, 2008, 01:08:11 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on May 18, 2008, 11:55:15 AM

From a developer interview I ran across at TenTonHammer, full interview here:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/21108

Quote
How do you determine the drop rate for an item in the game? Are items going to feel ďepicĒ rather than simply being a random drop from a particular loot table? Or will bigger creatures always drop certain items?

Thomas: Itís a combination. We want to reward the exploring players, so if you come across a boss mob that isnít connected to any quest, he will have something interesting for the player. Something specific in some cases or random in others.  It just depends.

So youíre partially going back to the idea of needing to hunt X monster to get Y weapon?

Thomas: Yes. Some bosses, especially group bosses, will have quite specific loot. They will have items and equipment that are connected to their own archetype.

One thing they keep stressing is that loot tables make sense in regards to the mob. IE - you won't have wolves dropping gold and plate armor.

Ok well now this seems more like it.    I need to learn to read the whole thread before investing energy into a long post.     I guess the only way for me to know is to wait a few weeks and ask around here to see what you guys think of the loot system when you start adventuring and finding more stuff.
2275  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: AOC loot question on: May 18, 2008, 01:06:12 PM

Quote from: Arclight on May 18, 2008, 10:30:13 AM

Yeah pure drops for gear hasn't been great for me yet.(lv.14)
Quest rewards, and merchant stuff is the way to go so far.

This saddens me as this sounds precisely how the loot system for LOTRO is.    Crafting and Quest rewards are where the good loot comes from.    For those of you that didn't have the misfortune of seeing the effects of this long-term in LOTRO, let me give you a peek of the future of a game that goes this loot-route:

In about 40 levels...you will look around and notice that everyone looks the same and has the same gear.    Very very boring.     A system that mixes random valuable rares in, you have a huge variety of people wearing a huge variety of things.    THis will not happen in a game that forms their loot system like what LOTRO or seemingly AOC does.     

And for the record:   people claimed in the early life of LOTRO that the loot system probably wasn't finished.    Well... it was.   And it continued it's suckage to this very day.     

frown   I'll pass.
2276  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: AOC loot question on: May 18, 2008, 05:30:57 AM

Quote from: Harkonis on May 18, 2008, 04:20:21 AM

I'd be fine with a system where all loot was crafting resources or sold and you bought all your gear, you know... kinda like how it would actually be slywink



Exactly how LOTRO was.   Exactly why it sucks.
2277  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: AOC loot question on: May 18, 2008, 03:57:02 AM

Quote from: RobbieD on May 18, 2008, 03:21:54 AM

Quote from: msduncan on May 18, 2008, 02:54:04 AM

Quote from: skystride on May 18, 2008, 01:57:30 AM

It's tough to say this early.  In the beta, zones weren't properly itemized.  I've seen uncommon and rare drops but the stat differences weren't huge.  Also boss mobs don't seem to drop great stuff yet.  So far it seems that items won't male a huge difference in this game, not like WoW.  It still seems to me that itemization is not fully implemented as they want, things will probably change.


If that's the case, I'll pass.     I must be one of the only gamers in the world that loved the idea of getting to a hard to reach mob, killing it, and having a chance for a rare drop.

No I think there are far more players that enjoy loot drops than don't. LotRO had the worst loot system in any MMO I've ever played and in the end it was what killed it for me. I don't need shiny treasure every kill but the occasional nice item drop keeps me happy and ultimately playing.

EXACTLY.   100% agree.   I canceled because of the horrible horrible loot system, and rather than the community rising up and forcing them to do somethign about it, you just had a bunch of people making excuses about it.

It's a shame too because the environment was incredible.   It could have been a WoW killer had it had more interesting classes and a real loot system.
2278  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: AOC loot question on: May 18, 2008, 02:54:04 AM

Quote from: skystride on May 18, 2008, 01:57:30 AM

It's tough to say this early.  In the beta, zones weren't properly itemized.  I've seen uncommon and rare drops but the stat differences weren't huge.  Also boss mobs don't seem to drop great stuff yet.  So far it seems that items won't male a huge difference in this game, not like WoW.  It still seems to me that itemization is not fully implemented as they want, things will probably change.


If that's the case, I'll pass.     I must be one of the only gamers in the world that loved the idea of getting to a hard to reach mob, killing it, and having a chance for a rare drop.
2279  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: AOC loot question on: May 18, 2008, 02:52:57 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on May 18, 2008, 01:10:12 AM

Quote from: msduncan on May 18, 2008, 12:29:46 AM

Hey guys....   How did this slip up on me without me knowing it was coming????

I'm not sure how you missed the 16 page thread we got going.  maybe it was the obscure title  slywink  I'm kinda curious about the loot system too-  I don't recall seeing anything about it.

Laziness.   When a thread gets to be 16 pages, there is little chance I'm going to hunt through all those posts to find something obscure like loot rules.
2280  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / AOC loot question on: May 18, 2008, 12:29:46 AM
Hey guys....   How did this slip up on me without me knowing it was coming????

I have a question about AOC.    How does the loot system work?   Is it modeled in the same vein as WoW, or is it one of those games in which the developers seem to think that an economy based on crafting is even remotely fun?

In other words:   I live for random world drops, ultra rares, legendaries, etc.     Does this game do that, or is it more like LOTRO where you have no incentive at all to venture looking for loot?
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