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2241  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: May 30 - The Day We Believe! on: May 30, 2008, 11:20:22 PM
These guys are amateurs.   

This is a fake worthy of our attention.
2242  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Phoenix touches down on: May 30, 2008, 11:40:21 AM

Quote from: Turtle on May 30, 2008, 09:32:01 AM

Quote from: Sarkus on May 30, 2008, 05:33:24 AM

Apparently the conspiracy theorists are abuzz over this photo:

http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/images/gallery/lg_440.jpg

Notice the white mark to the right of the center of the horizon line.

Wanna know the answer to that?

Look up a few posts to Pyperkub's image showing the whole area where the lander landed.

Notice those other objects?  Yep.  It's probably the parachute, with backshell attached, or the heat shield.  No need to get all conspiracy theory when there are more obvious answers.  Doing so is equivalent to all those nuts who find images of Jesus in pancake batter.  You don't take those nutjobs seriously, so why take conspiracy theorists who find government conspiracies and aliens in everything that might seem a little odd at first.

And frankly, if it was an object of interest on mars that wasn't man made, and not a glitch in the camera or some other process, then the scientific community would be the first to say something because that'd be a big finding, a finding that scientists have been wanting to announce for a very long time.

It's interesting though that with all the lander news, there was a bit of news about the two rovers.  Specifically how the partial breakdown of one of the rovers (one of its legs no longer works) led to them being able to do another experiment by using the broken leg, dragging it along to dig a small trench in the dirt, which uncovered a type silica that's typically (or was it so far known only to be) found in areas with water hot springs.

Msduncan, is the lander inside that giant crater, nearby, or did it pass it up completely?

At the time the photo was taken, it was 12 km in front of the crater.    The crater is just so massive that it makes it look like it's going down into it.   Pretty cool eh?

2243  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Phoenix touches down on: May 28, 2008, 11:36:46 AM
Perspective:

2244  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 28, 2008, 03:42:40 AM

Quote from: cheeba on May 28, 2008, 03:41:31 AM

I had good replies on Autotrader.com when I used it a few years ago. Started getting replies about a full day after it went online, and got a steady stream of replies with questions and such until it was sold 2 days later.

Thanks!   I think that's the route I'll go.     The last time carmax offered me on a car, I sold it 3 weeks later for $6000 more than their offer.
2245  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Need help with (short-stay) vacation spot... on: May 27, 2008, 11:54:30 PM
http://www.yourcabin.com/pg1bedroom.aspx
2246  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 27, 2008, 11:22:43 PM
Well the carmax offer was equal to the Kelly Blue Book Trade-in value.

In the comments they said:  Beautiful car.   Value affected by slow SUV market.

So private sell it is going to be....

2247  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 27, 2008, 06:53:44 PM

Quote from: PaulBot on May 27, 2008, 05:50:24 PM

The Prius has an 8yr 100K warranty on the batteries and hybrid system

http://cars.about.com/cs/familysedans/a/hybrid_explain.htm

The rumor (myth?) I heard was that if you do most of your driving over 45mph, it would be dramatically less fuel efficiency.    Toyota states 40+ hwy -- does hwy figure speeds over 45 mph?

I still haven't completely ruled out the Prius!
2248  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 27, 2008, 04:10:54 PM

Quote from: The Meal on May 27, 2008, 03:49:31 PM

Quote from: msduncan on May 27, 2008, 03:28:40 PM

Are you saying that you can get the oil changed anywhere, but if you take it back to the dealer it's free?    Or are you saying an oil change other places are more expensive than an average oil change?
Jiffy Lube isn't going to turn you away.  They're also not going to do it for free.  The oil in the system is some super-duper synthetic (hence the 12,000+ miles per change), and the filter is of higher quality than what you'd expect from a vehicle made earlier this decade.  I *believe* the price of a filter runs about $35, but that's from my potentially mistaken memory.  A non-MINI BMW dealership is *not* going to do this maintenance for you for free under warranty.  (I'm not sure if they'd do it for you but charge you for it.)

Hmm..   So I wonder how much it would cost me to get my oil changed at a non-MINI service center.    $35 for the filter, xxx for the synthetic, and how much for the labor?     I mean if you are only getting it done every 12,000 miles, even a more expensive oil change might not be too big of a deal.    Depends on how much 'more expensive' is.
2249  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 27, 2008, 03:28:40 PM

Quote from: The Meal on May 27, 2008, 03:14:37 PM

Quote from: msduncan on May 27, 2008, 03:05:17 PM

Wait a sec --   you have to go back to the dealership for oil changes?    Does this mean I'll have to drive 2 hours to the dealership to get an oil change, or will I be able to take it to a non-MINI BMW dealership for oil changes?

Driving two hours to get an oil change isn't my idea of fun!
You don't have to.  But if you want them for free, you do.  Right on schedule, once-a-year or every 12,000 miles (whichever comes first).  And they'll give you a loaner (or come up and swap cars for you, depending on the dealership).

Me confused.    Are you saying that you can get the oil changed anywhere, but if you take it back to the dealer it's free?    Or are you saying an oil change other places are more expensive than an average oil change?
2250  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 27, 2008, 03:27:11 PM

Quote from: cheeba on May 27, 2008, 03:11:20 PM

Quote from: msduncan on May 27, 2008, 04:40:02 AM

Quote from: cheeba on May 27, 2008, 03:59:02 AM

Quote from: msduncan on May 27, 2008, 03:48:07 AM

I've been looking at some of the others for several months.   Didn't like any of them based mainly on engine power, fun to drive factors, and looks. 
You mean the turbocharged MINI, the S, right? Because the base MINI has one of the weaker engines in its class.

I'm going for MPG here, not power and speed.
You just said you liked it based on engine power! lol

It may seem like I'm debating you, but I'm trying to help you out here, dude. You're car shopping with very limited information. For instance, you do know that the MINI (the S at least, which as Mealio said is the one to get, don't know about the base) takes Premium gas, right?
I know I know... I'm sorry I snapped at you.   Lateness of the night brings out outrages more frequently.
2251  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 27, 2008, 03:05:17 PM
Wait a sec --   you have to go back to the dealership for oil changes?    Does this mean I'll have to drive 2 hours to the dealership to get an oil change, or will I be able to take it to a non-MINI BMW dealership for oil changes?

Driving two hours to get an oil change isn't my idea of fun!
2252  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 27, 2008, 01:52:35 PM
In the spirit of the last several questions, there are two I haven't really looked at:

The Prius, and the Honda Fit.    I probably need to go look at the Fit.

The Prius was shot down quickly before I could go take a look at it because of these things people told me:

1.  anything over 45 mpg and you arne't going to get good mileage because you are back on gas
2.  the batteries die after 4 or 5 years requiring a very expensive replacement
3.  they aren't worth it.

Are those things true about the Prius?



I also have a follow up question for Neal:     I read scattering of reports about reliability questions for the MINI last night.     Are these things reliable?
2253  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 27, 2008, 01:38:59 PM

Quote from: Biyobi on May 27, 2008, 05:12:49 AM

Quote from: msduncan on May 27, 2008, 04:40:02 AM

Quote from: cheeba on May 27, 2008, 03:59:02 AM

Quote from: msduncan on May 27, 2008, 03:48:07 AM

I've been looking at some of the others for several months.   Didn't like any of them based mainly on engine power, fun to drive factors, and looks. 
You mean the turbocharged MINI, the S, right? Because the base MINI has one of the weaker engines in its class.

I'm going for MPG here, not power and speed.   

If I wanted power I'd be keeping my FJ.

And btw -- why in the hell am I having to debate this with some of you?   It gets so Fing tiring how some of you turn ANYTHING into an Fing debate.   God DAMNIT.  finger finger finger
Are you... outraged?

Momentarily outraged.   It was late and I was tired.   Sorry cheeba.

BTW --   Would anyone believe me if I told them I was actually John McCain posting under an alias?  slywink
2254  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 27, 2008, 04:40:02 AM

Quote from: cheeba on May 27, 2008, 03:59:02 AM

Quote from: msduncan on May 27, 2008, 03:48:07 AM

I've been looking at some of the others for several months.   Didn't like any of them based mainly on engine power, fun to drive factors, and looks. 
You mean the turbocharged MINI, the S, right? Because the base MINI has one of the weaker engines in its class.

I'm going for MPG here, not power and speed.   

If I wanted power I'd be keeping my FJ.

And btw -- why in the hell am I having to debate this with some of you?   It gets so Fing tiring how some of you turn ANYTHING into an Fing debate.   God DAMNIT.  finger finger finger
2255  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 27, 2008, 03:48:07 AM

Quote from: cheeba on May 27, 2008, 03:42:40 AM

Quote from: msduncan on May 27, 2008, 03:17:59 AM

My plan is to negotiate as much as I can before making the trip.   Then I get there and take it for a spin.   If I don't like it, I pull the eject lever and I'm back to Bama.
And what about its competitors? The MINI is a nice car and all, but some would argue that it's too much money for what you get.

I've been looking at some of the others for several months.   Didn't like any of them based mainly on engine power, fun to drive factors, and looks.     I never considered a MINI.   Meal suggested it, I took a look, and I'm hooked right off the bat.    As long as the ride checks out when I test drive it -- I'll be good to go.
2256  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 27, 2008, 03:17:59 AM

Quote from: Geezer on May 27, 2008, 03:11:38 AM

Quote from: msduncan on May 27, 2008, 03:07:42 AM

Quote from: cheeba on May 27, 2008, 03:00:25 AM

Quote from: msduncan on May 27, 2008, 01:31:08 AM

Is it too early to spec out a MINI and submit it on the site for a salesman to call me?   Should I wait until I sell the FJ before I begin talks with dealers?
You should actually drive the thing along with some of its competitors like a normal human being.  icon_razz

Bah... I'm not going to drive 2 hours to Atlanta just for a test drive.   

I trust Neal.   biggrin

You're not going to test drive before you buy? You a cray-z mofo. 

My plan is to negotiate as much as I can before making the trip.   Then I get there and take it for a spin.   If I don't like it, I pull the eject lever and I'm back to Bama.
2257  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 27, 2008, 03:07:42 AM

Quote from: cheeba on May 27, 2008, 03:00:25 AM

Quote from: msduncan on May 27, 2008, 01:31:08 AM

Is it too early to spec out a MINI and submit it on the site for a salesman to call me?   Should I wait until I sell the FJ before I begin talks with dealers?
You should actually drive the thing along with some of its competitors like a normal human being.  icon_razz

Bah... I'm not going to drive 2 hours to Atlanta just for a test drive.   

I trust Neal.   biggrin
2258  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Hmmm. What if: Hilary = VP? Does That Sway Your Vote to McCain? on: May 27, 2008, 02:58:18 AM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on May 14, 2008, 04:21:38 PM

Vice Presidential picks can be shown to effect party unity, but I've never seen a study where they impact "independent" voters.

Go down a checklist of issues. Find me major areas of disagreement between Clinton and Obama. They're running on basically the same platform, with different focus issues. A Vice President Hillary Clinton would not change the legislative or diplomatic substance of an Obama administration. Since that is what the point of a presidential election is -- the agenda set out by the candidate -- any vote against Obama because Hillary Clinton and not, say, Ed Rendell, is his Vice Presidential candidate is just flat out illogical.

You'll vote for more of the same on the war, more restrictions on personal freedoms through frighteningly conservative judicial appointments and more fiscal irresponsibility just because you don't like Hillary Clinton as a person? Even though she wouldn't change any of Barack Obama's policy positions?

That's just fucking insane.


Still not going to be active in this forum, but for some reason I peeked in here and saw this thread.    I need to throw some across-the-isle support to my brotha Fireball here.

1980 -- Reagan and Bush had a bitter primary campaign in which nobody expected they would join forces because they didn't seem to like each other too much after all was said and done.    Reagan called Bush.   The party was united.     The rest is history.
2259  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I want!!! on: May 27, 2008, 02:47:44 AM

Quote from: hentzau on May 27, 2008, 02:17:04 AM



And if you happen to speak Russian, the forum discussion on this wonderful little USB memory stick is here.

What in the hell is that thing?  Other than a USB drive that is....
2260  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 27, 2008, 01:31:08 AM
Alright ...   I have the beast washed and cleaned inside and out.     A guy is coming tomorrow to replace the front windsheild that was cracked by a rock.     I'll then take pictures of it before I drive it anywhere, and then I'll drive down to carmax and see what they will give me for it (I don't expect much -- I sold my Mustang for $6000 more than carmax offered me).     

I'll then put it on several listings --   B'ham news, and maybe Autotrader?     Methinks?


Is it too early to spec out a MINI and submit it on the site for a salesman to call me?   Should I wait until I sell the FJ before I begin talks with dealers?
2261  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The GT Wrap Sheet on: May 27, 2008, 01:08:21 AM

Quote from: WalkingFumble on May 26, 2008, 11:56:16 PM

i was with my uncle when he got a ticket for hunting big game from a public road.  it was a decoy setup like you see on cops.  not fun

and i did witness a guy getting murdered.  by the police.  it was a 250+ pound guy resisting arrest.  one of the cops kneeled on his back when they finally got him down, and he suffocated to death. 

Lucas Arts sent my ISP a letter asking them to ban me from the internets after i installed a pirated copy of 'star wars: empire at war'.  my ISP sent me a letter saying "it probably was an accident because of a file sharing program, make sure the game isnt on your computer".  i had already deleted that crappy game at that point, but i dont download much plundered software anymore.

This one wasn't with a decoy.   We deer hunt with dogs.    The dogs were in the middle of the block, and most of the people in the club were in positions in the interior roads in our hunting club.   I was positioned out on the county highway.    I thought I was far enough across the ditch towards the woods, but the no good lying DNR agent claimed otherwise.     
2262  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: GTA IV Multiplayer on: May 27, 2008, 01:05:08 AM
Nobody?   SHould I send this thing back to gamefly for something different?
2263  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The GT Wrap Sheet on: May 26, 2008, 11:17:54 PM
Hunting big game from a public road.

I took it to court.    It was a small town.   The judge had his driveway paved a week before the court case by county workers.  

Case dismissed.

I felt moderately bad about it for a few moments until the DNR agent that ticketed me got up on the stand and lied through her teeth about what happed.   F her to hell after that.    We got her trasferred to a remote part of GA after that.   Hope she wound up miserable for the rest of her life.    finger
2264  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Phoenix touches down on: May 26, 2008, 02:24:31 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on May 26, 2008, 02:05:23 PM

Why didn't they name this mission "Viking 3"? It feels like a rerun, except our greater familiarity with the Martian surface dulls the excitement that accompanied those first Viking panoramas, with their red rocks and pink sky. I hope Phoenix's science results are more definitive than the Vikings were.

Well they are farther North this time, in an area that our orbital vehicles have said has water ice just below the surface by less than an inch.    This lets them hopefully scoop up ice and analyze it.     

I have to admit that I was a bit disappointed when I found out they were not going to actually land ON the ice cap, but just to the south of it.
2265  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 26, 2008, 04:23:32 AM

Quote from: Pyperkub on May 25, 2008, 04:15:36 PM

Quote from: msduncan on May 25, 2008, 04:08:05 PM

Quote from: Pyperkub on May 25, 2008, 03:43:07 PM

You may also want to look at cartelligent - I have a friend who bought his toyota tundra from them about the same time as we got the hybrid, and he was very happy with the purchase experience, including price.  Bonus is that they deliver :-).  Other than those impressions, I can't tell you a lot about how it worked, but my friend is pretty savvy and it could be worth looking into.

That looks awesome.... but step 3 is to go to their office in California and sign papers and pick it up.    That would be a cross country drive for me.  Tongue

Well, I did say that I didn't know a lot about how it worked  icon_redface

No worries.   It's a great business idea, and should be duplicated in all markets.   I'd pay someone 500 bucks to do my dirty work with the dealers ANY DAY OF THE WEEK as long as I knew they were going to get me a great price.
2266  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Phoenix touches down on: May 26, 2008, 04:16:30 AM
2267  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Phoenix touches down on: May 26, 2008, 04:15:18 AM
2268  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Phoenix touches down on: May 26, 2008, 02:37:05 AM
Phoenix has had successful solar array deployment:

2269  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Phoenix touches down on: May 26, 2008, 02:36:16 AM
2270  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Phoenix touches down on: May 26, 2008, 02:22:07 AM
Phoenix Lander has successfully touched down on Mars' north pole.

First Image:

2271  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mario Kart Wii impressions on: May 25, 2008, 11:03:54 PM

Quote from: Godzilla Blitz on May 25, 2008, 09:02:36 PM

I got mine from Amazon a week ago, and they still have them listed as "in stock" now.

Thanks for the heads up!   Ordered.
2272  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mario Kart Wii impressions on: May 25, 2008, 07:51:20 PM


Well I can confirm after an exstensive search today that there isn't a copy available in Birmingham Alabama.
2273  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Indy IV: Who's in for Midnight??? on: May 25, 2008, 07:46:17 PM
Spoiler for Hiden:
YK, you know I'm conservative.    I'm also not an atheist.  However, I have to pass along something that is sort of related.   A friend of mine was in the Airforce during the 1970's.   His commanding officer was stationed at Wright Patterson during the 1940's.  Wright Patterson was where they reportedly took the wreckage and bodies of whatever it was that crashed in the desert in 1947 after they transported all of it from Roswell.  This guy saw things that he said was definately unexplainable, and in his opinion not from this earth.    Something happened out there in the desert in the 40's, and it wasn't a weather balloon. 
2274  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 25, 2008, 04:08:05 PM

Quote from: Pyperkub on May 25, 2008, 03:43:07 PM

You may also want to look at cartelligent - I have a friend who bought his toyota tundra from them about the same time as we got the hybrid, and he was very happy with the purchase experience, including price.  Bonus is that they deliver :-).  Other than those impressions, I can't tell you a lot about how it worked, but my friend is pretty savvy and it could be worth looking into.

That looks awesome.... but step 3 is to go to their office in California and sign papers and pick it up.    That would be a cross country drive for me.  Tongue
2275  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: GTA IV Multiplayer on: May 25, 2008, 04:03:25 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on May 21, 2008, 05:07:10 PM

Quote from: MrDuck on May 20, 2008, 10:42:52 PM

Got to get the sp game out of my system first before engaging in any serious mp smile Hope I can still spark some interest after I'm done, w000!!

biggrin



Sadly the people who play sp then multi often miss out of the huge mp boom of a release.  I prefer to play mp first, then sp when nobody is playing anymore slywink

Are you still playing MP?    I have a rented copy of the 360 version
2276  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Indy IV: Who's in for Midnight??? on: May 25, 2008, 03:53:29 PM


I enjoyed it.    Not my favorite of the Indy movies, but it was fun.     I think Shia did a great job, and Harrison was back to Indy for sure.

I hope it does a bazillion dollars so we can continue seeing successors to this movie come out.
2277  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (Updated: help with next steps!) on: May 25, 2008, 02:53:10 PM

Quote from: cheeba on May 25, 2008, 12:23:15 AM

It's going to be difficult for you to not get screwed here, msduncan. Lots of people are doing as you are doing, as you know. The FJ is indeed more of a niche SUV, but anyone looking to buy an SUV has their pick of a ton of vehicles at insane prices. That said, there are some things you can do to get yourself less screwed.

First, Kelly Blue Book doesn't take into account the area, while Edmunds does. This makes Edmunds superior. American cars are more valuable in the midwest and south than in California where the proliferation of Japanese vehicles is at its highest, for example. So use Edmunds.

For your FJ, personally I would try to sell it on the market rather than trade it in. The dealership can and will try to screw you on the price of the trade-in, or if they give you a good price on the trade-in they'll try to make their money in other places.

You're already at a disadvantage on the MINI because you really want it. If a salesman hears that you drove 2 hours to look at that car, you're not in a good bargaining position. To get the best deal you need to have several vehicles in mind and not just the MINI. Go around and test drive the vehicles you're interested in, and the MINI if that still interests you, *then* figure out a bargaining strategy.

I think I may employ the technique I've used in the past:

Sell my FJ on private market.   The car market in B'ham seems to still be pretty strong.

Negotiate my MINI purchase over the phone a great deal before driving over.      In the past I've managed to get to a pretty good price if they are trying to get me to drive over.      I just tell them that they have to get to the right spot if I am going to drive over, but if I do drive over I'm going to buy it.

I dunno.   I'll ponder this.   I have a bit of time to think it over.
2278  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mario Kart Wii impressions on: May 25, 2008, 02:30:10 PM
In all my gaming years, I've never experienced a game being in short supply a MONTH after release.   I think Nintendo is still keeping supplies down in order to artifically boost demand.
2279  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mario Kart Wii impressions on: May 25, 2008, 04:28:43 AM
WTF?

I was in Gamestop and was going to pick this up for my family and the dude told me everywhere in a 3 hours radius was sold out of them.    He further explained that Gamestop supposedly bought up the last of the stateside stock and so there won't be any available.
2280  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Thinking of changing vehicles (man card lossage?) on: May 24, 2008, 02:34:31 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on May 24, 2008, 02:05:30 PM

Quote from: msduncan on May 24, 2008, 01:12:35 PM


Do I try to sell myself, trade, or do I go down to somewhere like carmax?


I've always found a trade-in to be a very valuable bargaining chit. Every time I've ever traded in a car, I've gotten more than I could have sold it for -- and saved the hassle of having to sell it. For some reason (accounting or commissions, I imagine) dealers prefer to get a higher nominal price and then discount it. I think they have considerable leeway over what they can offer for trades, since no actual money is involved -- it's all just numbers on paper.

Of course, the condition of your vehicle and its marketability will come into play. When I traded in my Saturn SC2, they gave me double what I expected because the body was in very good condition and the interior was clean. Sports coupes are always in demand. Since you are part of a tidal wave of people trying to ditch gas guzzlers right now, you're likely to take a hit whichever way you go.

I don't know anything about carmax.


While you are right about gas guzzler tidal wave, you overlook the fact that the FJ is somewhat of a niche vehicle.     I see quite a few brand new FJ's driving around town here.    They aren't your typical SUV.
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