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2161  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 07, 2008, 06:59:49 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on June 07, 2008, 03:44:55 PM

McCain has explicitly supported moon/Mars all along, so I don't see how saying "it's cool!" changes anything. He didn't say anything about changing the direction or schedule that Bush has already laid out for NASA. It's always encouraging to hear any candidate express support for a strong space program, though.

Obama's recent conversion is probably one of convenience, as you said...not very trustworthy, but sufficient to make me (and people like me) cease open hostilities toward his campaign. I don't think that Congress will let him inflict serious damage on the manned space program regardless of what stripes he reveals if he wins office. Regardless of who takes the White House, NASA is probably in for some budgetary turbulence until the economy stabilizes and the federal budget comes back into some semblance of balance. Reversing the last eight years of raping and pillaging is going to be painful for everyone.

It doesn't matter whom I vote for anyway, as a Masshole. Obama can't possibly lose here.

Well I certainly hope we stay on track.    I want to see a man/woman on Mars before I die.    I was hoping to see a man on the moon again while my kids were still at home (they are 3 and 5)
2162  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: GTA IV Police Squad! opening on: June 07, 2008, 06:56:47 PM
That was very very well done.   lol!
2163  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: DEMO IS UP: Battlfield: Bad Company Friday Night on: June 07, 2008, 04:10:57 PM
Ok ok... I'm going to download the demo today
2164  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: PSP games on: June 07, 2008, 04:09:32 PM
God of War is an amazing game.
2165  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 07, 2008, 03:36:33 PM

Quote from: Brendan on June 07, 2008, 06:15:55 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 07, 2008, 04:39:30 AM

Thanks for the find on McCain and NASA's budget.    My linked story was from today, so I hadn't read this one that indicates he might freeze the budget for one year.

Obama originally said he wanted a 5 year freeze.

His budget proposal is to freeze federal non-defense discretionary spending - it's not specific to NASA, it's just that it includes NASA.  Of course, the 2004 bill he passed gave NASA a budget that they planned against, and the end result of his reversal is that they'll have a 1.5 billion dollar shortfall over the next two years (if his new plan is implemented).

The Obama position you're complaining about was his idea of delaying Constellation for five years and diverting that money to education instead - that'd cut 3.4 billion (I believe) from NASA in the short term.  He's said repeatedly, and this is reflected by a position paper on his site, that he's committed to finishing Orion, Ares I, and the ISS.

As evidenced by his inability to articulate precisely where the resources for his budget come from, McCain's position seems considerably less thought out.

Well that is comforting.   I was extremely worried that Orion could be delayed, and we can't afford a gap in time where we don't have a vehicle for operations.     Delay would also delay the overall plan to return to the moon.     
2166  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Ultra cheap but capable PC -- does it exist? on: June 07, 2008, 03:15:05 PM
I guess not? (about the barebones systems at pricewatch)
2167  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 07, 2008, 03:08:16 PM

Quote from: cheeba on June 07, 2008, 02:58:10 PM

Still haven't driven one yet, have ya msduncan?  icon_lol

I did at carmax here locally.   No worries.
2168  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 07, 2008, 05:33:04 AM

Quote from: ChaoZ on June 07, 2008, 05:30:16 AM



Astro Black
Black Roof
Chrome line exterior/Interior
Chrome mirror caps
Leather Lounge Carbon
Piano black surfaces
Anthracite headliner
JCW Aero Kit
JCW 18" R105 wheels (or aftermarket gunmetal/black wheels)



Wow!  Did you build a sauna or a black car?   talk about HOT in the summer..... yeeouch!
2169  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 07, 2008, 04:39:30 AM

Quote from: Brendan on June 07, 2008, 03:12:36 AM

msduncan's claim regarding McCain's space policy:  "McCain wants manned mission to Mars, and he supports missions that engage the public more."

Actual McCain budget plan:  NASA budget for 2010 would be frozen to 2009 levels, which "will have a cumulative 1.5 billion dollar hit to what NASA has planned for over only 2 years."  He's cutting the budget that he, himself, passed as chair of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee in 2004.

What space program will get cut?  Or will he raise taxes?

And you seriously want to raise the issue of flip-flopping on policy statements?


Thanks for the find on McCain and NASA's budget.    My linked story was from today, so I hadn't read this one that indicates he might freeze the budget for one year.

Obama originally said he wanted a 5 year freeze.

And also I was limiting this thread just to one policy position to discuss.    I have no interest in discussing wiretapping positions in my NASA budget/manned mission initiative thread.
2170  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 07, 2008, 02:52:37 AM

Quote from: Alefroth on June 07, 2008, 02:48:42 AM

Couldn't you hve pm'd him?

Ale

This is a story of interest to anyone that supports manned space exploration.     I just wanted to make sure Ironrod saw it since we seem to be the two with the strongest interest on these forums.
2171  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Ultra cheap but capable PC -- does it exist? on: June 07, 2008, 02:48:14 AM
What about barebone systems like this one from pricewatch?
2172  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 07, 2008, 02:43:58 AM
McCain wants manned mission to Mars, and he supports missions that engage the public more.

Sounds like good stuff to me.     I tend not to believe Obama -- usually the first stand a politican makes reveals his true opinion on the subject.    He said he'd slash the NASA budget and give it to the less fortunate.    I think he'll launch all these social programs and then say that they took priority over the space program even though he supports the program.   

Not like I'd vote Obama anyway, but if I were even considering it I would not risk it based on a flip flop.
2173  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 07, 2008, 02:29:10 AM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on June 07, 2008, 02:18:45 AM

Not a fan of the checkered mirrors at all, and if it were me I'd probably toss the roof, too. 

How about the interior?
2174  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 07, 2008, 02:11:31 AM
I'm getting started on figuring out how I want my MINI to look.     So far I'm going with Chili Red similar to this one with checkered roof and maybe the mirrors too:



And I'm getting this interior:



2175  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Ultra cheap but capable PC -- does it exist? on: June 07, 2008, 12:55:21 AM

Quote from: morlac on June 07, 2008, 12:48:20 AM

Without buying a used one that will be tough if not impossible.  frown

Msot PC's that cheap are throw aways and not 'really' upgradeable. 

frown

I'm not opposed to a used one I guess....as long as it fits the criteria....
2176  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Ultra cheap but capable PC -- does it exist? on: June 07, 2008, 12:43:25 AM
I was hoping for something < $500 if it exists.    I know it's a long shot...but I'm thinking get by with something that will be upgradable to supercomputer next year, but that will be able to handle most things that are out now (and Warhammer.  slywink)
2177  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Ultra cheap but capable PC -- does it exist? on: June 07, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
I have a Dell XPS laptop.

2.26 ghz Pentium M
2 gigs ram
7600 GeforceGo Gtx

My quiestion is this:    I've determined that laptops aren't for me.   My wife doesn't like forking out tons of money every two years for a new one.   I need a desktop that I can upgrade here and there between major upgrades.

So for now, I need an ultra cheap machine that will run the modern games well that I can upgrade to dream machine slowly over the next year or so.   I'd really like for it to be capable of running Age of Conan and similar games smoothly at decent settings though.

Is this possible, and if so how much?   Good news is that I have a good monitor so that wouldn't be an expense.   
2178  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: It's official: Obama Vs McCain. Coming this November '08 on: June 06, 2008, 02:06:50 AM

Quote from: helot2000 on June 06, 2008, 01:10:48 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 05, 2008, 11:20:02 AM

You don't have to make up BS on this guy.   He's got an extremely liberal record in the Illinois senate, and he did all sorts of ultra cool stuff they can use back in the 1970s.
You are right...a party could just do a stand up fight on the facts but I don't think that's going to happen. I hope Republicans prove me wrong but in the meantime, where are emails on Obama the AntiChrist/Muslim/swearing in with a Koran/(add your own horrific untruth here) coming from?  I don't get emails like that on McCain. Ever.  Maybe Democrats are lazy and unimaginative when it comes to chain emails. 

As the the Extreme Liberal label, I'll let Karl Rove hit this point for you.  Here he discusses the Republicans losses in recent special elections.
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Both of those losses can be attributed to bad candidates. But that only shows the GOP can't take "safe" seats for granted when Democrats run conservatives who distance themselves from their national party leaders. The string of defeats should cure Republicans of the habit of simply shouting "liberal! liberal! liberal!" in hopes of winning an election. They need to press a reform agenda full of sharp contrasts with the Democrats.
As to the ultra cool stuff Obama did back in the 1970s, past drug use and alcohol abuse didn't slow down the Bush Express.   

 


Oh I 100% agree with you.   Newt Gringrich has been screaming this for months.    Republicans needed (probably a year ago) to throw everything out and revamp the party message and direction.   And by that I'm not talking about leaning to the middle or left.   I'm talking about going fiscal conservative again, having clear messages like Newt crafted in 1994.   All of that.   

To be honest they should have never abandoned that message, but they got comfortable in Washington and thus caught a terrible case of the pork bug.    In addition they got their priorities screwed up and started clamoring all over each other for social issues instead of doing things like cutting spending to fund the existing tax reductions.    Revamping the entire tax code.     Figuring out how to reign in health care costs and everything associated with it.    Perhaps the most important thing -- getting ahead of the curve on this gasoline problem we are in right now (something all admins for decades are guilty of not doing).

As for the drugs and alcohol.   I'm not nessesarily talking about that.   I'm talking about his supposed links to controversial groups.     He did the smart thing and already came clean about drugs and alcohol so it's a non-issue.  (it's always been a non-issue to me anyway no matter if it was Clinton or Bush)
2179  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: It's official: Obama Vs McCain. Coming this November '08 on: June 05, 2008, 11:37:19 PM

Quote from: Brendan on June 05, 2008, 04:16:09 PM

The problem with my premise is not that I want people to be shamed - it's that I'm optimistic that the people who say stupid things are capable of feeling shame.  Statements like black people vote for Obama "because he looks like them" deserve to be mocked and excoriated.

Contrary to what others might try to portray here.... the fact that he is black and I can empathize with all the african americans I work with in their desire to have the ultimate barrier broken down makes me (I can't speak for all Republicans) extremely sympathetic and wishing that he was more centric so I could get behind what could be an amazing moment in our country's history.    I can't do this because of his positions and his orientation on the political spectrum.     If he does win I will be glued to the TV on inaguration day, however, as we witness a great moment in our history.
2180  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: It's official: Obama Vs McCain. Coming this November '08 on: June 05, 2008, 11:32:02 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 05, 2008, 12:23:41 PM

Quote from: msduncan on June 05, 2008, 11:20:02 AM

You don't have to make up BS on this guy.   He's got an extremely liberal record in the Illinois senate, and he did all sorts of ultra cool stuff they can use back in the 1970s.

Any why can't the old rules apply, because he's black?

It'll be interesting to see what the neocons can throw at Obama.  I figure any substantial dirt would be uncovered by the Clinton political machine.  They're not known for playing nice, so if there was a major skelley in the closet, they would have found it.

Who said anything about race?  Or is that all you see when you look at him?

A month or so ago you called me a bigot.   Now you are inferring I'm a racist.    I'm really not sure why other posters bother to discuss anything with you at all.   You can go to Hell.
2181  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: It's official: Obama Vs McCain. Coming this November '08 on: June 05, 2008, 11:20:02 AM

Quote from: helot2000 on June 05, 2008, 02:45:00 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 05, 2008, 12:03:58 AM

I'm quite sure the Republicans have a moving van worth of materials ready to roll out about Obama.... carefully timed so that he stays in trouble but not a shotgun approach that would appear like a hatchet job.  Unless Obama is somehow opposite of every other candidate in history -- the negative attacks will have an effect.  People claim they hate negative campaigning, but it usually is successful. I agree with a previous poster that the primary campaign was just a kiddie fight compared to what we are about to see.

A good theory but it misses the fact that even Rove has admitted that many of the old rules won't apply in this matchup.  So go ahead and hurl the moving van's worth of made up B.S.  Unlike Kerry, Obama isn't going to lie down for version 2.0 of the Republican Swiftboat campaign. 



You don't have to make up BS on this guy.   He's got an extremely liberal record in the Illinois senate, and he did all sorts of ultra cool stuff they can use back in the 1970s.

Any why can't the old rules apply, because he's black?
2182  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: It's official: Obama Vs McCain. Coming this November '08 on: June 05, 2008, 11:17:07 AM

Quote from: whiteboyskim on June 05, 2008, 01:54:15 AM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on June 04, 2008, 03:45:10 AM

I think this Whitey nonsense is just closeted racist folk looking for ANY reason, even if it is false, to not support Obama. 

HEY!!!

You want to know who I'm interested in supporting? Whoever runs in 2012. We have two senators in McCain and Obama that are looking for a promotion. Both are vacuous politicians and neither inspires me to do anything other than start hording my money for when the inevitable tax increases lops 10-20% off my paycheck. Good times. Roll Eyes


I endorse this post.     People seem to think these guys are change.    They are both career politicans.   One is an opportunist who wants to spend out money.     The other is a leftist who wants to spend our money.
2183  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: It's official: Obama Vs McCain. Coming this November '08 on: June 05, 2008, 11:13:25 AM

Quote from: ATB on June 05, 2008, 01:06:09 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 05, 2008, 12:03:58 AM


I'm quite sure the Republicans have a moving van worth of materials ready to roll out about Obama.... carefully timed so that he stays in trouble but not a shotgun approach that would appear like a hatchet job.  Unless Obama is somehow opposite of every other candidate in history -- the negative attacks will have an effect.  People claim they hate negative campaigning, but it usually is successful. I agree with a previous poster that the primary campaign was just a kiddie fight compared to what we are about to see.     

It may affect him, but the repubs risk further disenfranchising the populous.  Also, Obama can just play on the 'you trust these guys to tell the truth about anything all of a sudden' card.

Half the populous.    Remember that national polls still show polls between McCain and Obama splitting it right down the middle.    You are competing for about 5% of the voters to swing it.   Also remember that despite what people say, they don't seem to react to negative campagning in practice.   They complain about it and then don't modify their vote because of it.
2184  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Age of Conan (PVP related) on: June 05, 2008, 01:22:46 AM
I've got the game.

I've created a character on Cimmeria.

Plainsrunner -- Priest.

Hark and company -- how do I get in touch with you?  Do you have a TS or vent server going?
2185  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: AoC - Wanderers Updates (DERKETO Server) on: June 05, 2008, 12:13:34 AM

Quote from: jersoc on June 04, 2008, 11:44:31 PM

never played EQ much. You can't go wrong with Priest of Mitra. I seriously think they gonna get hit hard at some point though. I hear priest of set is up there as well, though I haven't played one.
You mean they are going to get hit hard with the nerf stick?
2186  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: It's official: Obama Vs McCain. Coming this November '08 on: June 05, 2008, 12:03:58 AM
I used to want Hillary to prevail in the primary because I thought she would be easier to beat in the fall than Obama.

Sometime last week it occurred to me that I was wrong.  We've had nearly 2 decades of skeletons from Clinton's closet. Nothing is left in there.... it's all been hashed and rehashed.  Nobody is surprised by any rehashed material.   

I'm quite sure the Republicans have a moving van worth of materials ready to roll out about Obama.... carefully timed so that he stays in trouble but not a shotgun approach that would appear like a hatchet job.  Unless Obama is somehow opposite of every other candidate in history -- the negative attacks will have an effect.  People claim they hate negative campaigning, but it usually is successful. I agree with a previous poster that the primary campaign was just a kiddie fight compared to what we are about to see.     

2187  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: AoC - Wanderers Updates (DERKETO Server) on: June 04, 2008, 11:11:30 PM
Wow....

It took the rest of my night to install and patch.   I got home with it...visited with wife.... got on at 10 pm, and went to bed with it patching at 11:30.   

Tonight I'll start things off.

I used to love to play a Priest in Everquest -- which of the healer types is most like that in this game?
2188  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Heading to the St. Paul Obamarama on: June 04, 2008, 04:42:38 AM

Quote from: helot2000 on June 04, 2008, 03:52:23 AM

Wow...I put in a 10 hour day at work before heading over to the Xcel at 5:30.  At 5:55, I was in a line of undetermined length.  It took almost 2 1/2 hours of baby steps over 9 blocks but I did get in!  The line was reportedly over a mile long and once Obama took the stage, another 18,000 people watched outside on the exterior BigScreens.   

After standing in line for all that time, I was mighty parched so I chugged a couple of pitchers of Kool-Aid.  Damn if it wasn't the best tasting stuff I've ever had.

Seriously, even if you are a (R), you should consider a trip to hear Obama as he is probably the best public speaker of our day.   He lit that place on fire.  It should be a very spirited race between Obama and McCain.  One down, one to go...I

There is a reason he has invoked Reagan several times (even though it brought him flack from some in the Democratic party).    He is very similiar in style and delivery.   He also patterned his message of optimism after him.     Clinton (Bill) had a very folksy, ordinary guy with an education thing going.    Reagan and now Obama both have (had) very visonary 'history in the making' type styles.    The public responds very well to natural born visonary speakers like both of them.   Yes, Obama is on the opposite side of the political spectrum as Reagan, but their styles are undeniaby similiar.

You could read this excerpt from Reagan's farewell address and easily hear Obama giving something very similiar:

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The past few days when I've been at that window upstairs, I've thought a bit of the "shining city upon a hill." The phrase comes from John Winthrop, who wrote it to describe the America he imagined. What he imagined was important because he was an early Pilgrim, an early freedom man. He journeyed here on what today we'd call a little wooden boat; and like the other Pilgrims, he was looking for a home that would be free.

I've spoken of the shining city all my political life, but I don't know if I ever quite communicated what I saw when I said it. But in my mind it was a tall proud city built on rocks stronger than oceans, wind-swept, God-blessed, and teeming with people of all kinds living in harmony and peace, a city with free ports that hummed with commerce and creativity, and if there had to be city walls, the walls had doors and the doors were open to anyone with the will and the heart to get here. That's how I saw it and see it still.

And how stands the city on this winter night? More prosperous, more secure, and happier than it was eight years ago. But more than that; after 200 years, two centuries, she still stands strong and true on the granite ridge, and her glow has held steady no matter what storm. And she's still a beacon, still a magnet for all who must have freedom, for all the pilgrims from all the lost places who are hurtling through the darkness, toward home.


2189  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: AoC - Wanderers Updates (DERKETO Server) on: June 04, 2008, 12:51:09 AM
ok you evil people.   I bought the game on the way home tonight.
2190  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Age of Conan Impressions on: June 03, 2008, 04:09:57 AM
I was teetering toward getting this tomorrow, but the middle pages of this thread seem to have folks getting disillusioned with it.    Is this thing worth getting?   Harkonis, what is your opinion?   Anyone else?

Should I pass?   Should I try Tabitha Rosa instead (sp!?).   Should I just wait for warhammer?   or should I jump in?

2191  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Boobraham Lincoln (NSFW for Church employees) on: June 03, 2008, 12:23:22 AM

Quote from: ATB on June 03, 2008, 12:20:24 AM

There's already a NSFW  round robin thread. Do we really need another?

I vote no.

 locked

This is from a mainstream site, nothing at all NSFW -- but I'll add something anyway.

And Megan Foxx is suitable for work, for play, for home, for office, for lunch, dinner and desert.     nod      
2192  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Example why the human race is doomed to extinction on: June 03, 2008, 12:21:27 AM

Quote from: YellowKing on June 02, 2008, 08:47:04 PM

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As it goes, I just went and saw the Indy movie for work project and it was "meh."

Another thing we agree on! At this rate we'll be moving in together by July.

I'd see Indy 500 times before walking through a showing of SatC.
2193  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] Game recommendations needed! on: June 03, 2008, 12:16:59 AM
Uncharted!
2194  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Metered Internet on: June 03, 2008, 12:16:19 AM
 finger finger finger mad

Coming to a town near you?
2195  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Boobraham Lincoln (NSFW for church employees) on: June 03, 2008, 12:10:04 AM
2196  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Energy prices and the selling of my truck on: June 03, 2008, 12:05:35 AM

Quote from: Zaxxon on June 02, 2008, 11:58:33 PM

Re: battery recycling, Toyota pays $200 for dead batteries.  Of course, there have been nearly 0 thus far, but from a consumer perspective, you wouldn't have to worry about every paying to dispose of it--Toyota pays you.  And I haven't heard of many Prius batteries ever losing a charge thus far, with many well over 200,000 and even 300,000 miles.  Not saying it can't happen, but thus far it's looking like worrying about the battery isn't worthwhile--something else will likley die first, as in any other car. 

Re: 20,000 miles/year @ 17mpg.  MSD, Prius or not, trade that sucker in for something else.  Imagine the extra gaming you could do with that cashola cola.  smile 

Re: resale.  I know people who, while the tax credit was still in effect, would buy a new Prius each year.  They'd trade their old one in a year later, and the resale had dropped so little that they paid nearly $0 out of pocket after taking into account the tax credit.  Resale is down a bit since then (though still clearly way better than most cars), but it's creeping up again due to the rise in gas prices.  Toyota has removed the short-lived incentives they had on the car, and most of what I've heard recently points to the stock being 'order and wait'.   At least it's not back to the point where people are paying over MSRP. 

I didn't meant to hijack this thread into a 'my Prius rocks!' lovefest, but I get reeled in whenever hybrids are debated.  smile  It certainly doesn't make sense for everyone, but it is a heck of a fun car. 

Not at all Zaxx..   I asked for info on the Prius, and you're giving it to me.  smile

What can we do about it being so ugly?  slywink
2197  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Energy prices and the selling of my truck on: June 02, 2008, 11:44:22 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on June 02, 2008, 02:42:19 PM

Quote from: msduncan on June 02, 2008, 11:30:42 AM

BTW --  are we sure Hybrids aren't worth it yet?   48 MPG versus the 34 MPG I'm considering in the MINI.    Everyone I talk to seem to tell me the maint cost + potential battery replacement + other factors make it not make sense.

They're a transitional technology. If you flip cars every few years, you won't own a hybrid long enough to make back its extra cost. If you drive a car until the wheels fall off, you risk expensive battery replacements at a time when the prevailing technology might have moved on to something else entirely, or at the very least a more advanced generation of the same hybrid concept. Either way, it's not a gamble that would make sense for me, since I drive very little.

If you put a lot of miles on a car, then the payback period is shorter and hybrids start to make more sense. They might very well be worth it if you have a long commute, and don't intend to change jobs or move closer to work.

Quote from: Purge on June 02, 2008, 01:14:28 PM


The other factor is the consideration that you're helping slowdown mankinds inate ability to destroy everything he touches (or drives by).

I don't think msduncan cares about the environment, and that's a red herring anyway. All it does is assuage some of your guilt over driving. If you seriously want to make a difference, change your life so that driving becomes optional and infrequent, rather than something you can't avoid. We cannot consume our way to a better future.

I put about 20,000 miles per year on a vehicle.    I think that's $5100 in gas at current rates since my current vehicle gets only 17 mpg
2198  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Energy prices and the selling of my truck on: June 02, 2008, 11:30:42 AM
BTW --  are we sure Hybrids aren't worth it yet?   48 MPG versus the 34 MPG I'm considering in the MINI.    Everyone I talk to seem to tell me the maint cost + potential battery replacement + other factors make it not make sense.
2199  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Clinton's screwed on: June 02, 2008, 04:24:18 AM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on June 02, 2008, 03:52:45 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 02, 2008, 02:55:08 AM

Quote from: Sarkus on June 02, 2008, 02:18:35 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 02, 2008, 02:04:42 AM

If you click on the version of the electoral map link above that takes you to Clinton vs McCain.... it sure does bolster Clinton's argument that she's the stronger general election candidate.   

Which means what this far out?  Not much, I'd say. 

The alternative to Obama is to award the nomination to the candidate that didn't get the most actual votes and didn't win the nomination via the process the party put into place.  There's nothing good that could come from that scenario, whatever the polling would suggest.



I'm actually suprised there wasn't a major 3rd party candidate this year.   Seems to me this would have been a golden opportunity for one.    If you examine what has happened in the R and D camps, the party favored candidates were abandoned for either new faces (Barack) or mavericks (McCain).   This to me says the electorate was tired of the same old business in Washington, and it reflected as early as the primaries for both parties.  

If a strong 3rd party had run for President this year, they might have won the whole thing.

Nonsense. Third party candidates face normally insurmountable obstacle towards winning -- most importantly the lack of a built in ground organization (the GOP and Democrats have well-tuned turnout machines that took decades to construct and train) to turn out the vote -- and when they win they have NO partisan allies in the other branches of government to turn to for support. That third parties try to win the presidency instead of focusing first and foremost on the legislative bodies shows how third party-ism tends to attract those who are the least grounded in political realism.

Also, Hillary's "polls" against McCain are a chimera. Right now, NO ONE is taking pot shots at Hillary Clinton, she's getting a complete free ride. Obama switched to general election mode (and isn't even really pouring money into the present primaries) after Indiana and is focused on McCain, and McCain is focused on Obama. With no concerted effort to drag her down being executed, Clinton is, of course, benefiting in the polls.

She's toast by Thursday.

I've often wondered what in the crap was happening back in 1992 when Ross Perot was getting a very significant percentage in the polls before he dropped out.       Without the machine you mentioned above, he was attracting huge numbers for an independent in a Presidential election.
2200  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Clinton's screwed on: June 02, 2008, 03:46:51 AM

Quote from: Moliere on June 02, 2008, 03:28:36 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 02, 2008, 02:55:08 AM

If a strong 3rd party had run for President this year, they might have won the whole thing.

Ron Paul got 3% running as a Republican. Why would he or anyone else have done any better as a 3rd Party candidate? This is still a two party country fighting over which side of the Titanic they sit on.

Because Ron Paul wasn't mainstream enough.    Ross Perot (yes, insane) at least early on in the 92 campaign made people think he was mainstream and had a 'let's fix it' message.    Nobody has come forward with that message from a third party perspective this year that was big name enough and electable enough.

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