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2121  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Tim Russert dead [confirmed] on: June 14, 2008, 01:42:50 PM

Quote from: Zarkon on June 14, 2008, 01:10:30 AM

I just have to chime in here.

Yes, it's sad that he died.  However.

WHY in the HELL does this merit a 'special breaking news' break into television shows on networks other than NBC, and why does it merit 3-4+ hours of continuous coverage, on a day where Des Moines, Iowa is being EVACUATED and there's a big fire going on somewhere? 

Because Tim didn't choose to build his entire life in a known flood zone, and then expect the government (and therefore taxpayers) to bail him out when the inevitable flood happens?

/ducks and runs
2122  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: My MGS4 Experience (aka: PS3 decides not to work) on: June 14, 2008, 01:27:30 PM

Quote from: Canuck on June 14, 2008, 07:14:19 AM

Come on PS3!! Let's hope it's just MSDuncans crappy TV!

Good lord I hope it is the PS3.    Sharp will charge me to come out and repair the TV.     (and I have a deductable on my insurance)
2123  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: My MGS4 Experience (aka: PS3 decides not to work) on: June 13, 2008, 11:06:47 PM
I may do that.

I just thought of something:   we're going to my parents for father's day on Sunday.   I'll lug my PS3 along.   They have the exact same television that I do.    That will be a good test case for the PS3.

2124  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: My MGS4 Experience (aka: PS3 decides not to work) on: June 13, 2008, 09:19:09 PM

that is my next step.... to see if the PS3 works on someone else's TV.

If it does -- then I'm going to assume it's the TV.   I think I covered any handshake issues by doing all of the above mentioned plus reformatting.
2125  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Tim Russert dead [confirmed] on: June 13, 2008, 08:05:34 PM
I liked him too.    He will be missed.   It's sad because he would have found this fall the most exciting of his career since this race is so interesting.
2126  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: My MGS4 Experience (aka: PS3 decides not to work) on: June 13, 2008, 08:01:48 PM

Ok... I hooked my computer to the TV with a DVI to HDMI cable and couldn't get it to come up.     It was the best test I could do to determine since I have no other HDMI out devices.    I still can't be sure it's the TV though because I can't be sure I did it correctly.

This sucks.   I don't know whether to call a TV repair service or to call Sony.
2127  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Tim Russert dead [confirmed] on: June 13, 2008, 07:34:23 PM
Drudgereport is reporting that Tim Russert has died of a heartattack.

breaking on all news outlets, but here's a link to msnbc as a nod to him:

Tim Russert dead at 58
2128  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: My MGS4 Experience (aka: PS3 decides not to work) on: June 13, 2008, 11:21:54 AM
I get no light.   This is the second time this has happened -- I'm getting a little mad about it. 

HDMI just ****s out and stops working.    I don't have another HDMI device with which to test my TV to make sure it's not the problem.  frown

2129  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / My MGS4 Experience (aka: PS3 decides not to work) on: June 13, 2008, 05:03:07 AM

Came home tonight to find my family watching a movie on the old TV upstairs.    Asked what was up, and wife informs me the PS3 doesn't work.

I rushed downstairs to find that the sound works fine on my PS3, but no HDMI signal.    Last time this happened I tried all the tricks and wound up sending both the PS3 to be replaced my Sony, and having a repairman out to my house to swap out the Sharp's control board.

Things I tried tonight since I got home:

1.  Holding down power button 7 secs until it powers off.  Bringing back up -- no dice
2.  Holding down power button upon bootup until I hear 2 beeps.    No dice.
3.  Powering off via the power switch on the back and then powering back on -- and doing that plus items 1 and 2 -- no dice, no dice, no dice.
4.  Unplugging from TV -- plugging back in no dice, again but then powering on without plugs, powering off, doing 1, 2, and 3 above and no dice. no dice, no dice.
5.  Plugging PS3 in with component cables -- works!
6.  Plugged components in with HDMI in as well -- told me it found HDMI do I want to swtich -- I say yes.   No dice blank screen.
7.  Restored factory settings on TV and did 1 through 6 above.   No dice x 6

And the last two drastic steps I'm on right now:
8.  Did a backup of the PS3 to my 250 gig portable HD
9.  Doing a full restore that will take 3 hours and wipe all my progress (over a MONTH of play) on GTA4.  frown

This is my hail mary pass.    I thought about just working off component...but to me there is a noticable difference in sharpness even on the playstation screen.   Screw that, my HDMI is supposed to work and so I want it to work.

 icon_frown icon_frown icon_mad icon_mad icon_mad icon_mad icon_mad icon_mad
2130  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Economic Plans on: June 12, 2008, 11:06:47 AM

Quote from: gellar on June 12, 2008, 03:59:02 AM

Quote from: Brendan on June 12, 2008, 03:46:08 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 12, 2008, 03:37:42 AM

You can place all sorts of justifications on it.   I simply boiled it down to what it is:   taxing the rich, and taxing the oil companies.

Posts like this are why you can never credibly complain about anything political.  You have no interest in honest discussion.

Yeah but I can play his game too.  It's fun.  Watch:

McCain's plan amounts to taxing less and spending more.  It's PROTOTYPICALLY American.  When the citizens of a country live out of their means on a constant basis, why the fuck can't the government?  Maybe Visa will give us the money.

gellar

Obama's taxes more and spends more.     We need taxes less and spends less.     

But if I had to choose between what we have in front of us, I'm going to choose taxes less every time.   People who think taxes on corporations or the capital holders in this country doesn't affect them directly are kidding themselves.   Keynesian economics don't work.
2131  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Economic Plans on: June 12, 2008, 11:03:27 AM

Quote from: Brendan on June 12, 2008, 03:46:08 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 12, 2008, 03:37:42 AM

You can place all sorts of justifications on it.   I simply boiled it down to what it is:   taxing the rich, and taxing the oil companies.

Posts like this are why you can never credibly complain about anything political.  You have no interest in honest discussion.

2132  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Economic Plans on: June 12, 2008, 03:37:42 AM

Quote from: Brendan on June 11, 2008, 11:34:15 PM

Quote from: msduncan on June 11, 2008, 11:29:23 PM

Quote from: Brendan on June 11, 2008, 02:40:21 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on June 11, 2008, 12:29:31 PM

In fairness the same thing could be said about the Fox News story at the top of the thread.

After reading through several articles on both candidate's proposals in the last few days I like Obama's better.  Neither is perfect, but unless I get a big raise over the next four year to over $250K per year Obama's plan would suit me best. Provided he follows through with his claims and is able to get most of his policies through Congress. 

I have no particular issue with the Fox News story - just with msduncan's "summary".

As far as getting policies through congress, the Democrats will control the house again, and will almost certainly increase their control in the senate, so it's more likely that Obama can deliver on his plan than McCain.

What's wrong with my summary?   Is it not accurate?    Tax the rich and tax oil company profits.     

If you were sincerely attempting to understand Obama's economic proposals, you could make a list of pros/cons, details sources of funding and destinations of funding, etc, but instead you picked out two red-meat conservative issues and presented them in context-less fashion.


You can place all sorts of justifications on it.   I simply boiled it down to what it is:   taxing the rich, and taxing the oil companies.
2133  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Hmmm. What if: Hilary = VP? Does That Sway Your Vote to McCain? on: June 12, 2008, 12:56:18 AM

Quote from: Geezer on June 09, 2008, 10:11:09 PM

Quote from: Brendan on June 09, 2008, 10:05:56 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on June 09, 2008, 10:00:06 PM

Quote from: Brendan on June 09, 2008, 09:54:07 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on June 09, 2008, 09:43:47 PM

Sorry all the stuff Obama wants to have the government pay for isnt going to be free.  So yes there will be some tax increases to pay for it, it will just be on the 'wealthy' which we all know is a hated class of people by his party.   And it took me about 2 seconds to find that information on his website.

brettmcd, your usual cogent analysis is lacking in this response - particularly because there's a large section in Obama's plan that describes his support for PAYGO, which he's voted for three times in the senate.  Yes, the tax cuts for the wealthiest one percent of the country will expire - but normal people in low and middle-income tax brackets (who actually need tax breaks) will see a larger child and dependent care tax credit, an expanded EITC, a payroll tax credit of $500, no taxes on seniors making under 50k a year, a $4,000 tax credit for college students who do 100 volunteer hours, tax credits to incent new farmers, etc.

You claimed that saying there would not be more taxes, you claimed that saying there would be more taxes is, as a bs claim.   It took me 2 seconds to find that yes there will be new taxes. on the hated 'wealthy' in this country.   So would you like to retract your statement that saying there will be more taxes is bs?

Dearest brettmcd, you know as well as I do that the tax burden on low and middle income people will be reduced under an Obama presidency, yet you insist on being a pedant.  If I were to indulge in the same sophistry, I'd point out that Obama won't be raising taxes - he just won't be signing any bills that extend the current moronic and fiscally irresponsible tax cut plan that the republicans passed previously.

Actually I think the tax plan itself was quite sound - if biased in a way that I find personally irritating.  It's the moronic and fiscally irresponsible spending that is the problem.

Spending has been out of control.     It was out of control during 40 years of democrat control as well... and there was a brief period during Newt's tenure where it was finally under control.   I miss Newt in congress.
2134  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Hmmm. What if: Hilary = VP? Does That Sway Your Vote to McCain? on: June 12, 2008, 12:49:30 AM

Quote from: Pyperkub on June 09, 2008, 09:48:13 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on June 09, 2008, 09:43:47 PM

Sorry all the stuff Obama wants to have the government pay for isnt going to be free.  So yes there will be some tax increases to pay for it, it will just be on the 'wealthy' which we all know is a hated class of people by his party.   And it took me about 2 seconds to find that information on his website.

Not hated, just disproportionately benefited from the Bush tax cuts.

I am no where NEAR wealthy, and I benefited from the tax cuts.
2135  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Economic Plans on: June 11, 2008, 11:29:23 PM

Quote from: Brendan on June 11, 2008, 02:40:21 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on June 11, 2008, 12:29:31 PM

In fairness the same thing could be said about the Fox News story at the top of the thread.

After reading through several articles on both candidate's proposals in the last few days I like Obama's better.  Neither is perfect, but unless I get a big raise over the next four year to over $250K per year Obama's plan would suit me best. Provided he follows through with his claims and is able to get most of his policies through Congress. 

I have no particular issue with the Fox News story - just with msduncan's "summary".

As far as getting policies through congress, the Democrats will control the house again, and will almost certainly increase their control in the senate, so it's more likely that Obama can deliver on his plan than McCain.

What's wrong with my summary?   Is it not accurate?    Tax the rich and tax oil company profits.     
2136  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Economic Plans on: June 11, 2008, 01:24:40 AM

Quote from: Brendan on June 11, 2008, 12:13:13 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 11, 2008, 12:08:05 AM

Fox news is the highest rated news source.

I assume you mean "has the highest ratings for a cable news network", because they've always been derided for their accuracy.   Yes, it's true.  In other news, the New York Post has a higher daily circulation than the Washington Post, so it must be a more reliable news outlet.
Derided by who?  Non-biased news outlets?

Of course we should just agree to disagree and actually discuss the issues instead of pissing on each other.    I meant for this thread to do just that until you jumped in with the snark attack right off the bat.
2137  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Economic Plans on: June 11, 2008, 01:17:56 AM

Quote from: Biyobi on June 11, 2008, 12:13:59 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 11, 2008, 12:08:05 AM

CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST.     A conservative channel is the highest rated now, and every time it pisses people off like this I LOVE it.

Of course it's the highest rated.  All the ultra right wingnuts have exactly one outlet the tells them what they want to hear.  The rest of us lefty wingnuts get to pick and choose among many, diversifying their numbers. icon_wink

Actually it's also probably due to all the hot chicks on the channel.
2138  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 11, 2008, 12:15:55 AM

Quote from: PaulBot on June 11, 2008, 12:10:23 AM

I wish our government would quit spending all those [gold pieces] on hunting for [trade routes] and use the money here [in europe] where we need it. We don't need to send humans [off the edge of the globe].
2139  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 11, 2008, 12:14:28 AM

Quote from: ChrisGrenard on June 10, 2008, 08:49:33 PM

I decided to drop into the R&P forum today just to see what was up after not having OO for two months.

Turns out it's SSDD.

I'm going back to working on my Rock Band page.

For the record, I feel sorry for the universe that had the misfortune of being in a particle in the seat of Chris Grenard's computer chair.    icon_lol
2140  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Economic Plans on: June 11, 2008, 12:10:27 AM

Quote from: Brendan on June 10, 2008, 01:45:31 PM

In the style of msduncan:

link

Largest deficit in 25 years - 5.7 trillion dollars.  Largest debt since WWII.

link

Tax cuts for the rich.

link
link
link
link

Massive cuts in social security, non-discretionary spending (NASA!), and medicare.  Does not address cost of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Proposals come "nowhere near generating the sums necessary to meet the costs."

link

1.2 billion dollar tax break for Exxon.

edited:  now with more links!



Can we discuss McCain's economic proposals instead?   I realize your talking points call for making Bush = McCain but I kinda wanted to talk about the different plans.    Kthanks.
2141  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Economic Plans on: June 11, 2008, 12:08:05 AM

Quote from: Jeff Jones on June 10, 2008, 12:31:22 PM

Quote from: naednek on June 10, 2008, 12:25:55 PM

so much for staying on topic and discussing the topic on hand.

Cite legitimate (non-propaganda) sources and we can do that.

Fox news is the highest rated news source.

For YEARS I did  finger finger finger  to ABC.    This  finger finger finger to CBS.   This  finger finger finger to NBC.   And THIS  finger finger finger to CNN.

CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST.     A conservative channel is the highest rated now, and every time it pisses people off like this I LOVE it.
2142  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Economic Plans on: June 10, 2008, 11:25:44 AM
Let's gather some news clips on the different candidates economic proposals.

Here's the first:

Story

Raising taxes on the rich.     Imposing taxes on oil companies.     
2143  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 10, 2008, 11:19:25 AM

Quote from: Sarkus on June 10, 2008, 06:02:58 AM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on June 10, 2008, 05:35:48 AM

So how much is this "cost saving" Mini going to run, anyway?  smile

Ha.  No kidding.

Also, I wonder if MSD is still planning to sell the FJ first or not and if he's had much luck on that or any response at all.  Given the market, it might be weeks away from the Mini purchase anyway.




It's going to be about equal debt.    The big cost savings is about $2353 per year if gas remains $4.00 per gallon.

And we're going to order the MINI while we are waiting for the FJ to sell.   It will take 2 months for them to build it.    If we overlap a little it's ok because we just paid off the van -- so worse case we'd be back to 2 payments for a short time.
2144  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 10, 2008, 04:22:41 AM

Quote from: Victoria Raverna on June 10, 2008, 03:29:44 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 09, 2008, 11:35:24 AM

And just for the record -- I believe evolution happens.    I just believe there is a creator, and I see no reason why evolution can't happen according to a scientific engine he set up and set into motion.

Believing that evolution can happen because of a creator isn't anti-science, believing that evolution is wrong based on faith is anti-science.

As for believing that there is a creator? why? Also who created the creator? The creator's creator? Then who created the creator's creator?smile



Why was the sigularity there?   What was there before the singularity?    What created the singularity?    We could do this for days.

Perhaps the answer is that our entire universe is a infinitely small particle of some piece of furniture in a massive other universe, and they are the same which makes us even smaller .... and so on.   
2145  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 10, 2008, 04:19:22 AM

Quote from: Pyperkub on June 09, 2008, 09:37:21 PM

Quote from: msduncan on June 09, 2008, 06:10:37 PM

I think the fringe on either side has taken control of their respective parties and you are seeing a struggle from the non-fringe to take it back.   I'm stopping short of saying I'm moderate, because I'm not.   But I'm not so far out there to demand religon be placed in class.
People like Yellowking was on board the Reagan bus -- fiscal responsibility, strength, effective diplomacy, and the ability to pick and choose correctly when we 'go it alone' as we did in Lybia.      Now the bus has taken a detour into religon and spending ghettos and he's pulling the cord to try to get it to stop and let him off.

On the other side of the isle, you had a Democrat bus that had a working class platform, ideologies to help the poor, and consumer watchdog platforms.     Now you have a bus hijacked by moveon and George Soros, and Cindy Shehan folks that some are trying to exit.

I had to go to electoral-vote to remind myself that we aren't any more divided than we used to be.... just some elections swing back and forth more dramatically than they have the last 2 elections.      I'd say there is no doubt that more extreme groups have had the reins of these parties for the last decade or two...   When will that change?

I don't know if it is accurate to declare the fringe as having taken over the Democratic party.  The Clinton White House was a very centrist white house.  I don't think the same can be said for the (current) Bush White House.

The Clintons lost control of the Democratic party back in 2000.
2146  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: National Figerprint Registry on: June 10, 2008, 03:11:42 AM

Quote from: Scraper on June 09, 2008, 08:42:02 PM

Does anyone know if Obama or McCain openly support this measure of the bill? If so my vote is now officially gone for either one of them (not that they had much of a chance for my vote in the first place).

Senator Obama is a co-sponsor of the bill.
2147  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: National Figerprint Registry on: June 10, 2008, 03:08:42 AM

Quote from: Pyperkub on June 09, 2008, 09:21:54 PM

msd - linky please.

cnet
2148  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 10, 2008, 01:35:09 AM

Quote from: Pyperkub on June 10, 2008, 12:46:57 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 10, 2008, 12:39:41 AM

Woo hoo!

Seeing my complaint on another forum, a dealer from Nashville PM'ed me and told me he'd beat Atlanta's price.

He still did MSRP, but he offered to throw in free mats, half the Doc fee of ATL, and everything except the roof graphic will have free installation -- except that HIS installation is $200 less than ATL's.     

So it's getting me to where I wanted my price to be.

Glad to hear it.  did you like my spoiler?

Yeah yeah yeah...Tongue
2149  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 10, 2008, 12:39:41 AM
Woo hoo!

Seeing my complaint on another forum, a dealer from Nashville PM'ed me and told me he'd beat Atlanta's price.

He still did MSRP, but he offered to throw in free mats, half the Doc fee of ATL, and everything except the roof graphic will have free installation -- except that HIS installation is $200 less than ATL's.     

So it's getting me to where I wanted my price to be.
2150  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / National Figerprint Registry on: June 09, 2008, 06:29:17 PM
Quote
Sens. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) authored a bill (with 11 co-sponsors, including Sen. Barack Obama) that was incorporated into a housing bill passed by the Senate Banking Committee 19-2 before the Memorial Day recess — a bill that creates a national fingerprint registry.

According to a Martinez press release, the language merely “creates national licensing and oversight standards for residential mortgage originators.”

One of the standards, John Berlau of the Competitive Enterprise Institute says, may “require thousands of individuals working even tangentially in the mortgage and real estate industries — and not suspected of anything — to send their prints to the feds.”

The Fingerprint Registry would not be limited in use in the future to the mortgage industry.
2151  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 09, 2008, 06:22:54 PM

Quote from: The Meal on June 09, 2008, 02:25:54 PM

We originally considered cars that were British Racing Green or the various blues, but in the end we decided that a look-at-me car deserves a look-at-me color and we ended up with the Mellow Yellow.  The Chili Red is very much the most popular color on the roads; if we didn't have as many other MINIs out there with us, I'd definitely have considered going with one of those (looks sharp with either white stripes or black -- or no stripes if you're still considering the justacooper rather than an S).  As far as interiors go, everything I've heard says to go with the Sport seats (for extra lateral support), and to avoid the leather (and for $1500 extra, avoiding the leather seemed like a great idea to me!).  Unfortunately the only light-colored interior is the Tuscan Beige leather.  We went with the stock grey interior sport seats with leatherette and are plenty happy.  But the red-trimmed interior definitely looks sharp!

As far as exterior accoutrements, I definitely say to go with what looks good to you.  The big checkers can look garish, but the MINI itself is kinda garish, and it's rather impossible to get something that just looks plain ol' WTF.  I like the Mellow Yellow with the black stripes on the hood, but there are LOTS of other striping options (check out outmotoring.com amongst others -- zillions of sites with custom MINI mods out there).  If it is important to you to make your car extra distinctive, you can really go nuts.  I'd love to black-out the chrome trim portions of my ride (around the headlights, along the beltline, around the taillights, etc) which I think would look sharp with the mudflaps and the extra driving lights.

No comment on the cost adders for all the extra options.  I failed my saving throw vs. frugality when putting our car together.  nod

I've got opinions on just about all the functional options as well.  For the '07, the NAV system was a $2000 adder (!!!) to the bottom line, but if you don't care for the pie-plate center speedo, the NAV *really* makes that thing look sharp.  And if you're more interested in its functionality, I can write a mini-dissertation on the thing (mostly positive, but a few GUI-related WTFs involved as well).

Which model did you test drive?
Test drove an S, but I was so rusty driving manual that I kept it in the wrong gear the whole drive.   So I think I'll be fine with a justacooper.     I salivated over the $2000 computer --   I wondered what all it did.     I don't have the money to do it and the cool looking interior though... so I think I'll have to pass.
2152  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 09, 2008, 06:10:37 PM
I think the fringe on either side has taken control of their respective parties and you are seeing a struggle from the non-fringe to take it back.   I'm stopping short of saying I'm moderate, because I'm not.   But I'm not so far out there to demand religon be placed in class.
People like Yellowking was on board the Reagan bus -- fiscal responsibility, strength, effective diplomacy, and the ability to pick and choose correctly when we 'go it alone' as we did in Lybia.      Now the bus has taken a detour into religon and spending ghettos and he's pulling the cord to try to get it to stop and let him off.

On the other side of the isle, you had a Democrat bus that had a working class platform, ideologies to help the poor, and consumer watchdog platforms.     Now you have a bus hijacked by moveon and George Soros, and Cindy Shehan folks that some are trying to exit.

I had to go to electoral-vote to remind myself that we aren't any more divided than we used to be.... just some elections swing back and forth more dramatically than they have the last 2 elections.      I'd say there is no doubt that more extreme groups have had the reins of these parties for the last decade or two...   When will that change?
2153  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 09, 2008, 11:35:24 AM
And just for the record -- I believe evolution happens.    I just believe there is a creator, and I see no reason why evolution can't happen according to a scientific engine he set up and set into motion.
2154  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 09, 2008, 11:26:53 AM

Quote from: Victoria Raverna on June 09, 2008, 03:11:12 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 08, 2008, 08:32:01 PM

Believing that there is a divine spark to life != anti-science.     They simply believe that there is more to the beginning of everything than a singlularity about which scientists can't explain how it got there, why it was there, what was there before it, etc.    Science about the beginning of the universe is as unprovable, unexplainable, and fantasmical as anything religion has conjured up.

Replacing evolution with that kind of bullshit is anti-science.


Wrong.  It's anti-evolution.   Plenty of ID people support and believe science is valuable.    What you are saying is a perfect example of the science inquisition.   You believe our mainstream theory or you are an outcast.
2155  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Hmmm. What if: Hilary = VP? Does That Sway Your Vote to McCain? on: June 09, 2008, 02:57:18 AM

Quote from: YellowKing on June 08, 2008, 02:26:32 PM

Quote
This is actually why I'm very strongly considering voting for Obama, even though I lean conservative.

If I did vote for Obama, it would be along the same lines, but more on a global level than a US level. I think having a charismatic young guy like him who so obviously doesn't fit the mold of past presidents would do wonders for America's global image. I know the knee-jerk reaction from conservatives when I talk like that is "who gives a f*** what Europe thinks?" but I truly feel that Bush has eroded the American reputation to the point that it has become a real threat. While I believe McCain has a huge foreign policy advantage over Obama, in the end he's one more old white guy in a string of old white guys, and he's going to be instantly pigeonholed by the world as a continuation of Bush's legacy.

Really tough. I wish I could take Obama's personality and charisma and merge it with McCain's experience and conservative principles. The decision I'll have to make in the fall is whether character trumps experience. I don't have a 100% clear answer on that right now.

Just take a look at your finances and let that guide you.     Obama's policies will mean less money you get to keep out of your paycheck.   We'll be working until June or July to pay off our tax debt.
2156  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Hmmm. What if: Hilary = VP? Does That Sway Your Vote to McCain? on: June 09, 2008, 02:55:45 AM

Quote from: cheeba on June 08, 2008, 01:00:56 AM

Quote from: gameoverman on June 08, 2008, 12:53:02 AM

Call me a cynic but I just don't think we, as a country, have come that far just yet.    It's one thing for people to support him when even if he 'wins' all he gets is a nomination.   It's a way of being trendy without risk.   Will they still vote for him when a win means he's actually President?  I remain unconvinced of that.
This is actually why I'm very strongly considering voting for Obama, even though I lean conservative. It would be nice to show the country and the world that we have indeed come "that far." Perhaps then we'd have the moral authority needed to rid the country of institutionalized racism like Affirmative Action.

I'd be all for that, except that I think his proposals would send a country teetering on the edge economically right over the cliff.
2157  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 08, 2008, 08:32:01 PM

Quote from: Electronic Dan on June 07, 2008, 11:14:35 PM

Quote from: msduncan on June 07, 2008, 10:56:55 PM


I am in the bible belt, and I'm a conservative Republican.   I can tell you that it's inaccurate to say that these people are anti-science.    They are anti-abortion and they don't buy into global warming, but they aren't anti-science.     

What about people who oppose evolution?

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Politically, a majority of conservative Republicans favor replacing evolution with creationism in the classroom, but support for this proposal falls below 40% for all other political groups, including moderate and liberal Republicans.

Believing that there is a divine spark to life != anti-science.     They simply believe that there is more to the beginning of everything than a singlularity about which scientists can't explain how it got there, why it was there, what was there before it, etc.    Science about the beginning of the universe is as unprovable, unexplainable, and fantasmical as anything religion has conjured up.
2158  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 07, 2008, 10:56:55 PM

Quote from: Pyperkub on June 07, 2008, 08:21:38 PM

Part of the problem for McCain is that a large portion of the base he needs can best be characterized as anti-science, includiing the people who they want overseeing NASA.

I am in the bible belt, and I'm a conservative Republican.   I can tell you that it's inaccurate to say that these people are anti-science.    They are anti-abortion and they don't buy into global warming, but they aren't anti-science.     People flocked to the 'Sue' exhibit here recently which was the replica of the T-Rex.    They were as interested as I was about the recent Mars mission around my workplace.     They aren't even anti-environment which is another label some would place on them.    There was a huge movement to save the 'Cahaba Lily' which is a Lily unique to the Cahaba river here in Birmingham that was threatened.

So I have to disagree with you that they 'can best be described as anti-science'.    They just don't like messing around with genetic planning, genetic manipulation, growing embryos to harvest, aborting unborn babies, and sinking the economy for the sake of global warming bills.    That's all.
2159  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 07, 2008, 10:05:44 PM

Quote from: lildrgn on June 07, 2008, 05:08:19 PM

Quote from: ChaoZ on June 07, 2008, 05:30:16 AM



Astro Black
Black Roof
Chrome line exterior/Interior
Chrome mirror caps
Leather Lounge Carbon
Piano black surfaces
Anthracite headliner
JCW Aero Kit
JCW 18" R105 wheels (or aftermarket gunmetal/black wheels)


epic, EPIC, EPIC WIN!!

The thing is....   on wallpaper it looks great.    In the real world it looks just like another small black car.   
2160  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: AoC -- System requirements on: June 07, 2008, 07:28:48 PM
I'm suffering on my rig with this game.   As I feared.

I have everything at Low.  2.0 shaders and no shadows.     Pretty disappointed.
I even had to turn the resolution way down.

To be fair I haven't upgraded my video card drivers for a LONG time.... maybe since purchase.   Maybe that will help?
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