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2121  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 11, 2008, 12:14:28 AM

Quote from: ChrisGrenard on June 10, 2008, 08:49:33 PM

I decided to drop into the R&P forum today just to see what was up after not having OO for two months.

Turns out it's SSDD.

I'm going back to working on my Rock Band page.

For the record, I feel sorry for the universe that had the misfortune of being in a particle in the seat of Chris Grenard's computer chair.    icon_lol
2122  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Economic Plans on: June 11, 2008, 12:10:27 AM

Quote from: Brendan on June 10, 2008, 01:45:31 PM

In the style of msduncan:

link

Largest deficit in 25 years - 5.7 trillion dollars.  Largest debt since WWII.

link

Tax cuts for the rich.

link
link
link
link

Massive cuts in social security, non-discretionary spending (NASA!), and medicare.  Does not address cost of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Proposals come "nowhere near generating the sums necessary to meet the costs."

link

1.2 billion dollar tax break for Exxon.

edited:  now with more links!



Can we discuss McCain's economic proposals instead?   I realize your talking points call for making Bush = McCain but I kinda wanted to talk about the different plans.    Kthanks.
2123  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Economic Plans on: June 11, 2008, 12:08:05 AM

Quote from: Jeff Jones on June 10, 2008, 12:31:22 PM

Quote from: naednek on June 10, 2008, 12:25:55 PM

so much for staying on topic and discussing the topic on hand.

Cite legitimate (non-propaganda) sources and we can do that.

Fox news is the highest rated news source.

For YEARS I did  finger finger finger  to ABC.    This  finger finger finger to CBS.   This  finger finger finger to NBC.   And THIS  finger finger finger to CNN.

CHICKENS HAVE COME HOME TO ROOST.     A conservative channel is the highest rated now, and every time it pisses people off like this I LOVE it.
2124  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Economic Plans on: June 10, 2008, 11:25:44 AM
Let's gather some news clips on the different candidates economic proposals.

Here's the first:

Story

Raising taxes on the rich.     Imposing taxes on oil companies.     
2125  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 10, 2008, 11:19:25 AM

Quote from: Sarkus on June 10, 2008, 06:02:58 AM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on June 10, 2008, 05:35:48 AM

So how much is this "cost saving" Mini going to run, anyway?  smile

Ha.  No kidding.

Also, I wonder if MSD is still planning to sell the FJ first or not and if he's had much luck on that or any response at all.  Given the market, it might be weeks away from the Mini purchase anyway.




It's going to be about equal debt.    The big cost savings is about $2353 per year if gas remains $4.00 per gallon.

And we're going to order the MINI while we are waiting for the FJ to sell.   It will take 2 months for them to build it.    If we overlap a little it's ok because we just paid off the van -- so worse case we'd be back to 2 payments for a short time.
2126  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 10, 2008, 04:22:41 AM

Quote from: Victoria Raverna on June 10, 2008, 03:29:44 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 09, 2008, 11:35:24 AM

And just for the record -- I believe evolution happens.    I just believe there is a creator, and I see no reason why evolution can't happen according to a scientific engine he set up and set into motion.

Believing that evolution can happen because of a creator isn't anti-science, believing that evolution is wrong based on faith is anti-science.

As for believing that there is a creator? why? Also who created the creator? The creator's creator? Then who created the creator's creator?smile



Why was the sigularity there?   What was there before the singularity?    What created the singularity?    We could do this for days.

Perhaps the answer is that our entire universe is a infinitely small particle of some piece of furniture in a massive other universe, and they are the same which makes us even smaller .... and so on.   
2127  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 10, 2008, 04:19:22 AM

Quote from: Pyperkub on June 09, 2008, 09:37:21 PM

Quote from: msduncan on June 09, 2008, 06:10:37 PM

I think the fringe on either side has taken control of their respective parties and you are seeing a struggle from the non-fringe to take it back.   I'm stopping short of saying I'm moderate, because I'm not.   But I'm not so far out there to demand religon be placed in class.
People like Yellowking was on board the Reagan bus -- fiscal responsibility, strength, effective diplomacy, and the ability to pick and choose correctly when we 'go it alone' as we did in Lybia.      Now the bus has taken a detour into religon and spending ghettos and he's pulling the cord to try to get it to stop and let him off.

On the other side of the isle, you had a Democrat bus that had a working class platform, ideologies to help the poor, and consumer watchdog platforms.     Now you have a bus hijacked by moveon and George Soros, and Cindy Shehan folks that some are trying to exit.

I had to go to electoral-vote to remind myself that we aren't any more divided than we used to be.... just some elections swing back and forth more dramatically than they have the last 2 elections.      I'd say there is no doubt that more extreme groups have had the reins of these parties for the last decade or two...   When will that change?

I don't know if it is accurate to declare the fringe as having taken over the Democratic party.  The Clinton White House was a very centrist white house.  I don't think the same can be said for the (current) Bush White House.

The Clintons lost control of the Democratic party back in 2000.
2128  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: National Figerprint Registry on: June 10, 2008, 03:11:42 AM

Quote from: Scraper on June 09, 2008, 08:42:02 PM

Does anyone know if Obama or McCain openly support this measure of the bill? If so my vote is now officially gone for either one of them (not that they had much of a chance for my vote in the first place).

Senator Obama is a co-sponsor of the bill.
2129  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: National Figerprint Registry on: June 10, 2008, 03:08:42 AM

Quote from: Pyperkub on June 09, 2008, 09:21:54 PM

msd - linky please.

cnet
2130  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 10, 2008, 01:35:09 AM

Quote from: Pyperkub on June 10, 2008, 12:46:57 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 10, 2008, 12:39:41 AM

Woo hoo!

Seeing my complaint on another forum, a dealer from Nashville PM'ed me and told me he'd beat Atlanta's price.

He still did MSRP, but he offered to throw in free mats, half the Doc fee of ATL, and everything except the roof graphic will have free installation -- except that HIS installation is $200 less than ATL's.     

So it's getting me to where I wanted my price to be.

Glad to hear it.  did you like my spoiler?

Yeah yeah yeah...Tongue
2131  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 10, 2008, 12:39:41 AM
Woo hoo!

Seeing my complaint on another forum, a dealer from Nashville PM'ed me and told me he'd beat Atlanta's price.

He still did MSRP, but he offered to throw in free mats, half the Doc fee of ATL, and everything except the roof graphic will have free installation -- except that HIS installation is $200 less than ATL's.     

So it's getting me to where I wanted my price to be.
2132  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / National Figerprint Registry on: June 09, 2008, 06:29:17 PM
Quote
Sens. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) authored a bill (with 11 co-sponsors, including Sen. Barack Obama) that was incorporated into a housing bill passed by the Senate Banking Committee 19-2 before the Memorial Day recess — a bill that creates a national fingerprint registry.

According to a Martinez press release, the language merely “creates national licensing and oversight standards for residential mortgage originators.”

One of the standards, John Berlau of the Competitive Enterprise Institute says, may “require thousands of individuals working even tangentially in the mortgage and real estate industries — and not suspected of anything — to send their prints to the feds.”

The Fingerprint Registry would not be limited in use in the future to the mortgage industry.
2133  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 09, 2008, 06:22:54 PM

Quote from: The Meal on June 09, 2008, 02:25:54 PM

We originally considered cars that were British Racing Green or the various blues, but in the end we decided that a look-at-me car deserves a look-at-me color and we ended up with the Mellow Yellow.  The Chili Red is very much the most popular color on the roads; if we didn't have as many other MINIs out there with us, I'd definitely have considered going with one of those (looks sharp with either white stripes or black -- or no stripes if you're still considering the justacooper rather than an S).  As far as interiors go, everything I've heard says to go with the Sport seats (for extra lateral support), and to avoid the leather (and for $1500 extra, avoiding the leather seemed like a great idea to me!).  Unfortunately the only light-colored interior is the Tuscan Beige leather.  We went with the stock grey interior sport seats with leatherette and are plenty happy.  But the red-trimmed interior definitely looks sharp!

As far as exterior accoutrements, I definitely say to go with what looks good to you.  The big checkers can look garish, but the MINI itself is kinda garish, and it's rather impossible to get something that just looks plain ol' WTF.  I like the Mellow Yellow with the black stripes on the hood, but there are LOTS of other striping options (check out outmotoring.com amongst others -- zillions of sites with custom MINI mods out there).  If it is important to you to make your car extra distinctive, you can really go nuts.  I'd love to black-out the chrome trim portions of my ride (around the headlights, along the beltline, around the taillights, etc) which I think would look sharp with the mudflaps and the extra driving lights.

No comment on the cost adders for all the extra options.  I failed my saving throw vs. frugality when putting our car together.  nod

I've got opinions on just about all the functional options as well.  For the '07, the NAV system was a $2000 adder (!!!) to the bottom line, but if you don't care for the pie-plate center speedo, the NAV *really* makes that thing look sharp.  And if you're more interested in its functionality, I can write a mini-dissertation on the thing (mostly positive, but a few GUI-related WTFs involved as well).

Which model did you test drive?
Test drove an S, but I was so rusty driving manual that I kept it in the wrong gear the whole drive.   So I think I'll be fine with a justacooper.     I salivated over the $2000 computer --   I wondered what all it did.     I don't have the money to do it and the cool looking interior though... so I think I'll have to pass.
2134  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 09, 2008, 06:10:37 PM
I think the fringe on either side has taken control of their respective parties and you are seeing a struggle from the non-fringe to take it back.   I'm stopping short of saying I'm moderate, because I'm not.   But I'm not so far out there to demand religon be placed in class.
People like Yellowking was on board the Reagan bus -- fiscal responsibility, strength, effective diplomacy, and the ability to pick and choose correctly when we 'go it alone' as we did in Lybia.      Now the bus has taken a detour into religon and spending ghettos and he's pulling the cord to try to get it to stop and let him off.

On the other side of the isle, you had a Democrat bus that had a working class platform, ideologies to help the poor, and consumer watchdog platforms.     Now you have a bus hijacked by moveon and George Soros, and Cindy Shehan folks that some are trying to exit.

I had to go to electoral-vote to remind myself that we aren't any more divided than we used to be.... just some elections swing back and forth more dramatically than they have the last 2 elections.      I'd say there is no doubt that more extreme groups have had the reins of these parties for the last decade or two...   When will that change?
2135  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 09, 2008, 11:35:24 AM
And just for the record -- I believe evolution happens.    I just believe there is a creator, and I see no reason why evolution can't happen according to a scientific engine he set up and set into motion.
2136  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 09, 2008, 11:26:53 AM

Quote from: Victoria Raverna on June 09, 2008, 03:11:12 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 08, 2008, 08:32:01 PM

Believing that there is a divine spark to life != anti-science.     They simply believe that there is more to the beginning of everything than a singlularity about which scientists can't explain how it got there, why it was there, what was there before it, etc.    Science about the beginning of the universe is as unprovable, unexplainable, and fantasmical as anything religion has conjured up.

Replacing evolution with that kind of bullshit is anti-science.


Wrong.  It's anti-evolution.   Plenty of ID people support and believe science is valuable.    What you are saying is a perfect example of the science inquisition.   You believe our mainstream theory or you are an outcast.
2137  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Hmmm. What if: Hilary = VP? Does That Sway Your Vote to McCain? on: June 09, 2008, 02:57:18 AM

Quote from: YellowKing on June 08, 2008, 02:26:32 PM

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This is actually why I'm very strongly considering voting for Obama, even though I lean conservative.

If I did vote for Obama, it would be along the same lines, but more on a global level than a US level. I think having a charismatic young guy like him who so obviously doesn't fit the mold of past presidents would do wonders for America's global image. I know the knee-jerk reaction from conservatives when I talk like that is "who gives a f*** what Europe thinks?" but I truly feel that Bush has eroded the American reputation to the point that it has become a real threat. While I believe McCain has a huge foreign policy advantage over Obama, in the end he's one more old white guy in a string of old white guys, and he's going to be instantly pigeonholed by the world as a continuation of Bush's legacy.

Really tough. I wish I could take Obama's personality and charisma and merge it with McCain's experience and conservative principles. The decision I'll have to make in the fall is whether character trumps experience. I don't have a 100% clear answer on that right now.

Just take a look at your finances and let that guide you.     Obama's policies will mean less money you get to keep out of your paycheck.   We'll be working until June or July to pay off our tax debt.
2138  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Hmmm. What if: Hilary = VP? Does That Sway Your Vote to McCain? on: June 09, 2008, 02:55:45 AM

Quote from: cheeba on June 08, 2008, 01:00:56 AM

Quote from: gameoverman on June 08, 2008, 12:53:02 AM

Call me a cynic but I just don't think we, as a country, have come that far just yet.    It's one thing for people to support him when even if he 'wins' all he gets is a nomination.   It's a way of being trendy without risk.   Will they still vote for him when a win means he's actually President?  I remain unconvinced of that.
This is actually why I'm very strongly considering voting for Obama, even though I lean conservative. It would be nice to show the country and the world that we have indeed come "that far." Perhaps then we'd have the moral authority needed to rid the country of institutionalized racism like Affirmative Action.

I'd be all for that, except that I think his proposals would send a country teetering on the edge economically right over the cliff.
2139  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 08, 2008, 08:32:01 PM

Quote from: Electronic Dan on June 07, 2008, 11:14:35 PM

Quote from: msduncan on June 07, 2008, 10:56:55 PM


I am in the bible belt, and I'm a conservative Republican.   I can tell you that it's inaccurate to say that these people are anti-science.    They are anti-abortion and they don't buy into global warming, but they aren't anti-science.     

What about people who oppose evolution?

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Politically, a majority of conservative Republicans favor replacing evolution with creationism in the classroom, but support for this proposal falls below 40% for all other political groups, including moderate and liberal Republicans.

Believing that there is a divine spark to life != anti-science.     They simply believe that there is more to the beginning of everything than a singlularity about which scientists can't explain how it got there, why it was there, what was there before it, etc.    Science about the beginning of the universe is as unprovable, unexplainable, and fantasmical as anything religion has conjured up.
2140  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 07, 2008, 10:56:55 PM

Quote from: Pyperkub on June 07, 2008, 08:21:38 PM

Part of the problem for McCain is that a large portion of the base he needs can best be characterized as anti-science, includiing the people who they want overseeing NASA.

I am in the bible belt, and I'm a conservative Republican.   I can tell you that it's inaccurate to say that these people are anti-science.    They are anti-abortion and they don't buy into global warming, but they aren't anti-science.     People flocked to the 'Sue' exhibit here recently which was the replica of the T-Rex.    They were as interested as I was about the recent Mars mission around my workplace.     They aren't even anti-environment which is another label some would place on them.    There was a huge movement to save the 'Cahaba Lily' which is a Lily unique to the Cahaba river here in Birmingham that was threatened.

So I have to disagree with you that they 'can best be described as anti-science'.    They just don't like messing around with genetic planning, genetic manipulation, growing embryos to harvest, aborting unborn babies, and sinking the economy for the sake of global warming bills.    That's all.
2141  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 07, 2008, 10:05:44 PM

Quote from: lildrgn on June 07, 2008, 05:08:19 PM

Quote from: ChaoZ on June 07, 2008, 05:30:16 AM



Astro Black
Black Roof
Chrome line exterior/Interior
Chrome mirror caps
Leather Lounge Carbon
Piano black surfaces
Anthracite headliner
JCW Aero Kit
JCW 18" R105 wheels (or aftermarket gunmetal/black wheels)


epic, EPIC, EPIC WIN!!

The thing is....   on wallpaper it looks great.    In the real world it looks just like another small black car.   
2142  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: AoC -- System requirements on: June 07, 2008, 07:28:48 PM
I'm suffering on my rig with this game.   As I feared.

I have everything at Low.  2.0 shaders and no shadows.     Pretty disappointed.
I even had to turn the resolution way down.

To be fair I haven't upgraded my video card drivers for a LONG time.... maybe since purchase.   Maybe that will help?
2143  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 07, 2008, 06:59:49 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on June 07, 2008, 03:44:55 PM

McCain has explicitly supported moon/Mars all along, so I don't see how saying "it's cool!" changes anything. He didn't say anything about changing the direction or schedule that Bush has already laid out for NASA. It's always encouraging to hear any candidate express support for a strong space program, though.

Obama's recent conversion is probably one of convenience, as you said...not very trustworthy, but sufficient to make me (and people like me) cease open hostilities toward his campaign. I don't think that Congress will let him inflict serious damage on the manned space program regardless of what stripes he reveals if he wins office. Regardless of who takes the White House, NASA is probably in for some budgetary turbulence until the economy stabilizes and the federal budget comes back into some semblance of balance. Reversing the last eight years of raping and pillaging is going to be painful for everyone.

It doesn't matter whom I vote for anyway, as a Masshole. Obama can't possibly lose here.

Well I certainly hope we stay on track.    I want to see a man/woman on Mars before I die.    I was hoping to see a man on the moon again while my kids were still at home (they are 3 and 5)
2144  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: GTA IV Police Squad! opening on: June 07, 2008, 06:56:47 PM
That was very very well done.   lol!
2145  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: DEMO IS UP: Battlfield: Bad Company Friday Night on: June 07, 2008, 04:10:57 PM
Ok ok... I'm going to download the demo today
2146  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: PSP games on: June 07, 2008, 04:09:32 PM
God of War is an amazing game.
2147  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 07, 2008, 03:36:33 PM

Quote from: Brendan on June 07, 2008, 06:15:55 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 07, 2008, 04:39:30 AM

Thanks for the find on McCain and NASA's budget.    My linked story was from today, so I hadn't read this one that indicates he might freeze the budget for one year.

Obama originally said he wanted a 5 year freeze.

His budget proposal is to freeze federal non-defense discretionary spending - it's not specific to NASA, it's just that it includes NASA.  Of course, the 2004 bill he passed gave NASA a budget that they planned against, and the end result of his reversal is that they'll have a 1.5 billion dollar shortfall over the next two years (if his new plan is implemented).

The Obama position you're complaining about was his idea of delaying Constellation for five years and diverting that money to education instead - that'd cut 3.4 billion (I believe) from NASA in the short term.  He's said repeatedly, and this is reflected by a position paper on his site, that he's committed to finishing Orion, Ares I, and the ISS.

As evidenced by his inability to articulate precisely where the resources for his budget come from, McCain's position seems considerably less thought out.

Well that is comforting.   I was extremely worried that Orion could be delayed, and we can't afford a gap in time where we don't have a vehicle for operations.     Delay would also delay the overall plan to return to the moon.     
2148  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Ultra cheap but capable PC -- does it exist? on: June 07, 2008, 03:15:05 PM
I guess not? (about the barebones systems at pricewatch)
2149  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 07, 2008, 03:08:16 PM

Quote from: cheeba on June 07, 2008, 02:58:10 PM

Still haven't driven one yet, have ya msduncan?  icon_lol

I did at carmax here locally.   No worries.
2150  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 07, 2008, 05:33:04 AM

Quote from: ChaoZ on June 07, 2008, 05:30:16 AM



Astro Black
Black Roof
Chrome line exterior/Interior
Chrome mirror caps
Leather Lounge Carbon
Piano black surfaces
Anthracite headliner
JCW Aero Kit
JCW 18" R105 wheels (or aftermarket gunmetal/black wheels)



Wow!  Did you build a sauna or a black car?   talk about HOT in the summer..... yeeouch!
2151  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 07, 2008, 04:39:30 AM

Quote from: Brendan on June 07, 2008, 03:12:36 AM

msduncan's claim regarding McCain's space policy:  "McCain wants manned mission to Mars, and he supports missions that engage the public more."

Actual McCain budget plan:  NASA budget for 2010 would be frozen to 2009 levels, which "will have a cumulative 1.5 billion dollar hit to what NASA has planned for over only 2 years."  He's cutting the budget that he, himself, passed as chair of the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee in 2004.

What space program will get cut?  Or will he raise taxes?

And you seriously want to raise the issue of flip-flopping on policy statements?


Thanks for the find on McCain and NASA's budget.    My linked story was from today, so I hadn't read this one that indicates he might freeze the budget for one year.

Obama originally said he wanted a 5 year freeze.

And also I was limiting this thread just to one policy position to discuss.    I have no interest in discussing wiretapping positions in my NASA budget/manned mission initiative thread.
2152  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 07, 2008, 02:52:37 AM

Quote from: Alefroth on June 07, 2008, 02:48:42 AM

Couldn't you hve pm'd him?

Ale

This is a story of interest to anyone that supports manned space exploration.     I just wanted to make sure Ironrod saw it since we seem to be the two with the strongest interest on these forums.
2153  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Ultra cheap but capable PC -- does it exist? on: June 07, 2008, 02:48:14 AM
What about barebone systems like this one from pricewatch?
2154  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Ironrod: McCain supports manned exploration of Mars on: June 07, 2008, 02:43:58 AM
McCain wants manned mission to Mars, and he supports missions that engage the public more.

Sounds like good stuff to me.     I tend not to believe Obama -- usually the first stand a politican makes reveals his true opinion on the subject.    He said he'd slash the NASA budget and give it to the less fortunate.    I think he'll launch all these social programs and then say that they took priority over the space program even though he supports the program.   

Not like I'd vote Obama anyway, but if I were even considering it I would not risk it based on a flip flop.
2155  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 07, 2008, 02:29:10 AM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on June 07, 2008, 02:18:45 AM

Not a fan of the checkered mirrors at all, and if it were me I'd probably toss the roof, too. 

How about the interior?
2156  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 07, 2008, 02:11:31 AM
I'm getting started on figuring out how I want my MINI to look.     So far I'm going with Chili Red similar to this one with checkered roof and maybe the mirrors too:



And I'm getting this interior:



2157  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Ultra cheap but capable PC -- does it exist? on: June 07, 2008, 12:55:21 AM

Quote from: morlac on June 07, 2008, 12:48:20 AM

Without buying a used one that will be tough if not impossible.  frown

Msot PC's that cheap are throw aways and not 'really' upgradeable. 

frown

I'm not opposed to a used one I guess....as long as it fits the criteria....
2158  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Ultra cheap but capable PC -- does it exist? on: June 07, 2008, 12:43:25 AM
I was hoping for something < $500 if it exists.    I know it's a long shot...but I'm thinking get by with something that will be upgradable to supercomputer next year, but that will be able to handle most things that are out now (and Warhammer.  slywink)
2159  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Ultra cheap but capable PC -- does it exist? on: June 07, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
I have a Dell XPS laptop.

2.26 ghz Pentium M
2 gigs ram
7600 GeforceGo Gtx

My quiestion is this:    I've determined that laptops aren't for me.   My wife doesn't like forking out tons of money every two years for a new one.   I need a desktop that I can upgrade here and there between major upgrades.

So for now, I need an ultra cheap machine that will run the modern games well that I can upgrade to dream machine slowly over the next year or so.   I'd really like for it to be capable of running Age of Conan and similar games smoothly at decent settings though.

Is this possible, and if so how much?   Good news is that I have a good monitor so that wouldn't be an expense.   
2160  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: It's official: Obama Vs McCain. Coming this November '08 on: June 06, 2008, 02:06:50 AM

Quote from: helot2000 on June 06, 2008, 01:10:48 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 05, 2008, 11:20:02 AM

You don't have to make up BS on this guy.   He's got an extremely liberal record in the Illinois senate, and he did all sorts of ultra cool stuff they can use back in the 1970s.
You are right...a party could just do a stand up fight on the facts but I don't think that's going to happen. I hope Republicans prove me wrong but in the meantime, where are emails on Obama the AntiChrist/Muslim/swearing in with a Koran/(add your own horrific untruth here) coming from?  I don't get emails like that on McCain. Ever.  Maybe Democrats are lazy and unimaginative when it comes to chain emails. 

As the the Extreme Liberal label, I'll let Karl Rove hit this point for you.  Here he discusses the Republicans losses in recent special elections.
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Both of those losses can be attributed to bad candidates. But that only shows the GOP can't take "safe" seats for granted when Democrats run conservatives who distance themselves from their national party leaders. The string of defeats should cure Republicans of the habit of simply shouting "liberal! liberal! liberal!" in hopes of winning an election. They need to press a reform agenda full of sharp contrasts with the Democrats.
As to the ultra cool stuff Obama did back in the 1970s, past drug use and alcohol abuse didn't slow down the Bush Express.   

 


Oh I 100% agree with you.   Newt Gringrich has been screaming this for months.    Republicans needed (probably a year ago) to throw everything out and revamp the party message and direction.   And by that I'm not talking about leaning to the middle or left.   I'm talking about going fiscal conservative again, having clear messages like Newt crafted in 1994.   All of that.   

To be honest they should have never abandoned that message, but they got comfortable in Washington and thus caught a terrible case of the pork bug.    In addition they got their priorities screwed up and started clamoring all over each other for social issues instead of doing things like cutting spending to fund the existing tax reductions.    Revamping the entire tax code.     Figuring out how to reign in health care costs and everything associated with it.    Perhaps the most important thing -- getting ahead of the curve on this gasoline problem we are in right now (something all admins for decades are guilty of not doing).

As for the drugs and alcohol.   I'm not nessesarily talking about that.   I'm talking about his supposed links to controversial groups.     He did the smart thing and already came clean about drugs and alcohol so it's a non-issue.  (it's always been a non-issue to me anyway no matter if it was Clinton or Bush)
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