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2081  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 23, 2008, 12:43:13 AM

Quote from: Canuck on June 22, 2008, 01:28:59 PM

Interesting to see how this plays out.  What is Sony charging you for? The shipping?  I wonder which turnaround time will be faster-I'm guessing the 360.  They should have it down to a perfected science by now smile

Sony is charging me $150 for a problem that seems to be rather common on the internet -- HDMI output going out.    (I'm out of warranty)

M$ recognized their console weakness and extended the original warrany for red rings.
2082  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 22, 2008, 03:01:53 PM

Quote from: ChaoZ on June 22, 2008, 02:44:30 PM

Quote from: msduncan on June 22, 2008, 01:57:00 PM

Mini Cooper has been ordered for a week or so.

It's been produced in Oxford and is waiting to be picked up for transport to the docks.

That's pretty quick.
What did you decide on for your final configuration/colors?

Funny you mention that.    I'm still having trouble deciding on dealer options.    The car produced is Chili Red with black roof and mirrors.   It has a black and red interior like the picture earlier in this thread.

My wife is lobbying that I cancel the dealer applied checkerboard decal and go with the black roof with dark window tint.    I'm still digging the checkerboard.

However, even if I do go with the checkerboard, someone recommended going with a vendor rather than dealer.   The reason is that the vendors sell full vinyl sheets that cover the entire roof.    The dealer decals apparently only cover the white squares and so the black paint is exposed for the contrast color.    Some folks claim that this could cause the roof to fade in a checkerboard pattern and also be difficult to wash without messing up.   

Getting it from one of the vendors will be about 100 more and not be rolled into the loan like the dealer one would be.

So I'm sitting here debating.
2083  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 22, 2008, 01:59:05 PM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on June 22, 2008, 01:30:50 PM

Quote from: msduncan
If you guys are going to lump every loony's comments out there as 'the republicans', then it is fair game for me to talk about how the Democrats want to nationalize oil refineries and socialize America, among many other things the extreme left fringe is saying.

As I said to brettmcd, if you want to denounce all those Fox News clips as the work of jabbering lunatics, you won't get much of a fight from me.  Just don't forget that less than two weeks ago you also championed it as "a conservative channel."

-Autistic Angel

Well like I said again -- many of those quotes were taken out of context.    The few that weren't probably equal out to the same left-slanted jabbering from the CNN's and MSNBC's out there.
2084  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: MINI Cooper -- building it on: June 22, 2008, 01:57:00 PM
Mini Cooper has been ordered for a week or so.

It's been produced in Oxford and is waiting to be picked up for transport to the docks.
2085  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 22, 2008, 01:16:20 PM
BTW -- My PS3 console coffin is here too.    I'll be able to report side by side on how service from the two play out.

First impression:

Microsoft was free:  +1
Sony was not:  -

Second:
Microsoft got the box to me a day earlier:  +1
Sony did not:   -
2086  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 22, 2008, 01:12:49 PM

Quote from: helot2000 on June 22, 2008, 05:38:56 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 21, 2008, 10:28:11 PM

He's not 'my guy' so I don't have a lot of nice things to say about him.   'My guy' was governor Huckabee, who got my vote in the primaries and won my state.
Your guy had some pretty good tips for Republicans this week.  In his own words...

Quote
What I am saying is that we need to challenge Obama on the basis that his ideas are the wrong ones—not attacking him personally. If people spend their time repeating a bunch of internet driven drivel about his middle name (he didn’t choose his anymore than I chose mine), or his race (I do sincerely celebrate that our country has moved to a place where a person’s race doesn’t limit him from aspiring to the highest office in our land, but I just believe that due to his proposals and lack of substantive experience, he’s gone far enough—not because of his race, but because of his sincere, but misguided proposals), or his church (there are far more important reasons for us to elect Senator McCain than where Obama went to church).

Elections ought to be about elevating the best ideas and exposing the worst ones—not engaging in character assassination with half truths, innuendoes, and disputable “internet facts.”
Testify Huckabee, testify...

My absolute favorite for President, Newt Gingrich, has been saying the same thing for months.     I'm not disputing the fact that we need to have a plan and run on it as Newt (and Huckabee) say.   I'm disputing the idea counter to my original post that Republicans are running on race.   They aren't.   They are running on a weak message from a weak candidate.   

If you guys are going to lump every loony's comments out there as 'the republicans', then it is fair game for me to talk about how the Democrats want to nationalize oil refineries and socialize America, among many other things the extreme left fringe is saying.
2087  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Bush calls for congress to open areas for drilling on: June 22, 2008, 01:43:21 AM

Quote from: papasmurff on June 21, 2008, 09:29:59 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on June 21, 2008, 09:21:53 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080621/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush;_ylt=AtgVMlEwlFi9YrCL0aj8wg2s0NUE

Good, drilling for more of our own oil is one of many things we need to do to help with our energy problems.  Other things would be allowing new nuclear power plants to be built, working on sensable conservation plans and work towards more workable renewable energy sources then we currently have.

my thoughts...meh...bush would call for more drilling...He has to make his money.

ON the note of nuclear power plants....everyone likes them...nobody wants them in their communities.

This is 100% true.   I work for a utility, and the main obstacle to Nuke power is communities not wanting to host them.
2088  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Bush calls for congress to open areas for drilling on: June 22, 2008, 01:42:15 AM

Quote from: ATB on June 21, 2008, 09:28:53 PM

I'm torn on this.  I don't think oil drilling will solve any problems, but it definitely has the potential to be an environmental disaster.  In any case, it's a band-aid and the repubs way of making themselves look like they are trying.

It buys us time to develop and make affordable a replacement to oil.

As it is our economy will buckle before we can get anything out there researched and designed.
2089  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 22, 2008, 01:39:24 AM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 22, 2008, 01:35:02 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 22, 2008, 01:31:53 AM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 22, 2008, 01:26:08 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 21, 2008, 07:31:46 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 21, 2008, 06:49:50 PM

Are you just angry because the man is right?  We've already seen numerous examples of it (check out http://www.gamingtrend.com/forums/index.php/topic,27532.0.html).  I'm glad he called them out.

Seriously, I don't think I can even relate to your anger on this one. 

I discount what you are saying.   Why?  Because you've twice played the bigot card on me in these forums.
It's ridiculous.

It seems you're just angry that your ilk aren't getting a free pass to promote their unique brand of sleaze under cover of darkness. 

My "ilk"?    Roll Eyes

"ilk" - noun
1.   family, class, or kind: he and all his ilk.

My apologies for overestimating your intellect.

And you immediately go personal.   You can't have a conversation without going personal, can you Blackadar?   
2090  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 22, 2008, 01:38:09 AM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on June 21, 2008, 11:35:31 PM

Earlier this week, I received an e-mail chain letter purporting to "reveal the *real* Obama!!!" with a series of unsourced, context-free quotes which show him to be a bitter, angry, anti-white racist.  I doubt it was authored by a democrat; it certainly wasn't forwarded by one.

When you add in the rumors that Barack Obama is a radical Muslim who hates America because he's secretly sworn allegiance to "black Africa", plus the repeated Fox News slurs, I think it's perfectly fair to call out the Republicans out for their continuing pattern of race-baiting.

Quote from: msduncan
Hey Obama?   F___ you. finger finger finger

I hope you have a more articulate response ready for me than you did for Obama.

-Autistic Angel

Let's examine the videos by link"

"Repeated" -- watched the entire video.   Nothing racial about this at all.   They commented that it was an intimate way of communicating between Michele and Barack.   Her Terrorist Fist Jab comment was repeating titles to bloggers and stories about it that were all on fire those couple days afterwards.

"Fox News"  --  a link to a conglomeration of out of context snippets?   Do you even know what the conversation was when any of these quotes happened?

"slurs" -- use of a Michele Obamaism.   She's the one that quoted it first.
"
2091  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 22, 2008, 01:31:53 AM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 22, 2008, 01:26:08 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 21, 2008, 07:31:46 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 21, 2008, 06:49:50 PM

Are you just angry because the man is right?  We've already seen numerous examples of it (check out http://www.gamingtrend.com/forums/index.php/topic,27532.0.html).  I'm glad he called them out.

Seriously, I don't think I can even relate to your anger on this one. 

I discount what you are saying.   Why?  Because you've twice played the bigot card on me in these forums.
It's ridiculous.

It seems you're just angry that your ilk aren't getting a free pass to promote their unique brand of sleaze under cover of darkness. 

My "ilk"?    Roll Eyes
2092  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 22, 2008, 01:22:20 AM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on June 21, 2008, 11:35:31 PM

Earlier this week, I received an e-mail chain letter purporting to "reveal the *real* Obama!!!" with a series of unsourced, context-free quotes which show him to be a bitter, angry, anti-white racist.  I doubt it was authored by a democrat; it certainly wasn't forwarded by one.

When you add in the rumors that Barack Obama is a radical Muslim who hates America because he's secretly sworn allegiance to "black Africa", plus the repeated Fox News slurs, I think it's perfectly fair to call out the Republicans out for their continuing pattern of race-baiting.

Quote from: msduncan
Hey Obama?   F___ you. finger finger finger

I hope you have a more articulate response ready for me than you did for Obama.

-Autistic Angel

So you are calling out Republicans for undocumented, unclaimed, anonymous internet chain emails?    What if they came from the Clinton camp?   She has the most to gain other than McCain in Obama losing....
2093  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 21, 2008, 10:28:11 PM

Quote from: helot2000 on June 21, 2008, 08:59:04 PM

Quote
"It is going to be very difficult for Republicans to run on their stewardship of the economy or their outstanding foreign policy," Obama told a fundraiser in Jacksonville, Florida. "We know what kind of campaign they're going to run. They're going to try to make you afraid.

Here's an idea, ms...start a thread on McCain that puts the lie to Obama's quote above.  Tell us something about your guy that would or should encourage the fence sitters to your position.  It's only fair that I assign myself an equally challenging task so I will watch patiently the next five months to see if Republicans run a campaign based on (1) substance or (2) making voters afraid.  I'm hopeful with McCain that it will be more of (1) than (2) but too many Republicans learned the wrong lessons from Rove. 

He's not 'my guy' so I don't have a lot of nice things to say about him.   'My guy' was governor Huckabee, who got my vote in the primaries and won my state.

2094  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 21, 2008, 10:24:09 PM

Quote from: Captain Caveman on June 21, 2008, 07:36:35 PM

I don't know how much of this will come directly from the McCain campaign (though already statements claiming Hamas wants Obama to win, and those questioning he and his wife's patriotism, arguably have racial undertones),

Of course they don't (have racial undertones).    Hamas endorsed Obama publically.    Naturally Obama rejected the endorsement, but that is where that came from.

As for the patriotism?   I've questioned (wrongly) peoples' patriotism on OO before, and it had nothing to do with race.
2095  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 21, 2008, 07:36:24 PM

Quote from: Brendan on June 21, 2008, 07:34:12 PM

Funniest thread of the day.

Paraphrasing msduncan:  "It's not okay for Senator Obama to warn people about Republican tactics until we've deployed them more widely."

It's cheap garbage politics.   The Republicans are NOT making race an issue in this campaign.   The Democrats are.

And as for the vendor selling the button that was posted in the linked thread?   Vendor is exiled and all funds donated to charity
2096  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 21, 2008, 07:31:46 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 21, 2008, 06:49:50 PM

Are you just angry because the man is right?  We've already seen numerous examples of it (check out http://www.gamingtrend.com/forums/index.php/topic,27532.0.html).  I'm glad he called them out.

Seriously, I don't think I can even relate to your anger on this one. 

I discount what you are saying.   Why?  Because you've twice played the bigot card on me in these forums.
It's ridiculous.
2097  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 21, 2008, 06:42:52 PM
Reuters link

Hey Obama?   F___ you.    finger finger finger
2098  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 21, 2008, 02:09:23 AM
Dropped my 360 off at UPS today.   It's on it's way to the repair center.

Do they actually repair them, or do they swap them out?    If they repair them, what exactly do they do to them?

My PS3 coffin arrived today.   I'll send it off through UPS Monday.
2099  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Could the US collapse like the Soviet Empire? on: June 20, 2008, 11:30:29 PM
I think it would be foolish to predict the fading of America yet.
2100  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: "We (the government) should own the refineries" on: June 20, 2008, 03:17:22 AM

Quote from: Brendan on June 20, 2008, 12:09:47 AM

Dearest brettmcd, you're comparing apples and oranges.

I'm talking about the quality of care available to veterans, and the cost of that care.

The report cited by your USA Today link is about facilities repair - if you actually click through to the pdf linked there, you'll find that it's things like "stained ceiling tile" and "appearance of floor tiles," and "replace windows with moisture in between glass."  There's a few pest control examples sprinkled in.  The incidents at Walter Reed, famous for their particularly bad facilities, can be credited to the privatization of that hospital.  Facilities do matter, but they're only one component.

Your second link says that the DOD handoff of medical records to the VA is flawed, not that the VA is dropping the ball in any consistent fashion.  Certainly they're stretched resource-wise by the influx of wounded veterans from the war.

Your third link is just an anecdote in a letter to the editor.

In the end, your links don't disprove anything I've asserted - that the VA care is cost-effective, consistently ranked as the highest quality care by patients.

But keep on keepin' on!

There is nothing constructive about a discussion when you use 'dearest' and 'ah, ____' and such to patronize and goad the other party.
2101  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: "We (the government) should own the refineries" on: June 20, 2008, 03:13:55 AM

Quote from: Toe on June 19, 2008, 06:50:29 PM

Quote from: msduncan on June 19, 2008, 01:36:48 AM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 19, 2008, 01:22:42 AM

House Democrats?  No, more like House Democrat.  Plus, it needs to come from a legitimate news source, or it didn't happen.  Faux News doesn't count.



I'm tired of this excuse.   Fox News is a legitimate news source whether you like it, or hate it.

How could you call a news organization put out something like this legitimate?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8QNHbuN3cI




Nothing in that link that I find illegitimate.   
2102  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: A pox on you for making me defend MSD on: June 19, 2008, 03:16:14 AM

Quote from: Mookee on June 19, 2008, 02:44:26 AM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 19, 2008, 02:04:49 AM

Again, even if you're right, you still aren't right.  It's still Democrat (singular, not plural). 

http://en.sevenload.com/videos/9E3kdWR-Cavuto-nat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUaY3LhJ-IQ


Fuck it, nationalize it, I don't give a damn. I'm all for stuff that pisses off MSD. smile

I heart you too Mookie.   slywink
2103  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: "We (the government) should own the refineries" on: June 19, 2008, 01:45:59 AM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 19, 2008, 01:41:50 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 19, 2008, 01:36:48 AM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 19, 2008, 01:22:42 AM

House Democrats?  No, more like House Democrat.  Plus, it needs to come from a legitimate news source, or it didn't happen.  Faux News doesn't count.



I'm tired of this excuse.   Fox News is a legitimate news source whether you like it, or hate it.

No, they're not.  Legitimate news sources know who is a Democrat and who is a Republican during a scandal.  You might as well be quoting the ONN (Onion News Network). 

Hey, she may have said it.  If she did, she's a dumbass.  But until you get some independent verification, it didn't happen.

OK we'll play it your way -- we'll wait until this comes across AP and then we can address the issue you are dodging.   Why Democrats want to socialize America and yet scream when people call them socialists.
2104  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: "We (the government) should own the refineries" on: June 19, 2008, 01:36:48 AM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 19, 2008, 01:22:42 AM

House Democrats?  No, more like House Democrat.  Plus, it needs to come from a legitimate news source, or it didn't happen.  Faux News doesn't count.



I'm tired of this excuse.   Fox News is a legitimate news source whether you like it, or hate it.
2105  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / "We (the government) should own the refineries" on: June 19, 2008, 12:23:38 AM
House Democrats propose nationalization of oil refineries

First the health care industry.

Now the oil refineries.      What do the Democrats want the government to own next?   (D) apparently stands for socialism.
2106  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 18, 2008, 11:15:51 AM
I know I know... it's just the heavily accented gentleman on the phone said if they couldn't reproduce it they would send it back to me unrepaired.
2107  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 18, 2008, 04:31:54 AM
Ok now I can't get the dang thing to do it again (360).   I'm thinking I should call them tomorrow and let them know that it's functioning again and to hold off on sending me the box.   I ***KNOW*** it is going to die, but I don't want to send it to them just for them to turn it on and find nothing wrong and send it back.

I think I'll just cancel and play it until it really dies.

**or do you guys think I should risk sending it in when it's not doing it?
2108  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 18, 2008, 03:11:08 AM
Ok 360 they are sending me a box.    Free repair. 

At one time I had one of those fans on the back of my box.    Will they be able to tell I had one and thus claim I voided the warranty?   paranoid
2109  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 18, 2008, 02:47:19 AM
$149 for the PS3 repair.    mad
2110  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 18, 2008, 12:01:11 AM

Quote from: DamageInc on June 17, 2008, 04:08:01 PM

Sorry to hear about your bad luck, that really sucks.

My 360 bit the dust after 2 1/2 years ( a launch day system ) of heavy use. I was able to send it to MS and they repaired it and sent back my original box within two weeks.
It was only at MS for about 3 days and they fixed it for free since it was RRoD.

I know many people experienced a great deal of issues initially, but it looks like they are a lot better at it now.

Cool.   I'll call about it.   

BTW -- the 360 is a launch unit.   Do I get the prize for longest lived launch unit 360 on gamingtrend?
2111  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 17, 2008, 11:19:23 AM
Why does it still boot?   I don't want it to last, I want it to go ahead and get it over with so I can phone it in!
2112  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 17, 2008, 03:43:55 AM
Last week, as I posted here, my PS3 HDMI port stopped working.     I'm calling Sony about this tomorrow.

Tonight, after firing up Lego Indiana Jones, my Xbox360 suddenly froze solid with garbled graphics on the screen.     I reset, and it froze in boot.    I reset again -- three rings of death.    I reset again -- frozen but no rings.    Again --  three rings of death again.   I reset again -- it lets me play a while longer.

I just turned it off and will let it rest overnight.    I'm assuming I can count on the permanent three rings within days, is that right?     

Two consoles in a week go out on me.   I'm forced to go to EQ2 and hope my computer doesn't fail me.   I have triple video game redundancy -- so if two fail I can still computer game.      Not sure what I'll do if the computer goes too.   paranoid
2113  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Supreme Court Smacks Bushies Again... on: June 16, 2008, 11:26:06 PM

Allow me to read the decision and I'll then comment.     Dinner time first, then get the rugrats to bed, and then I'll read it.
2114  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Return to Everquest 2 on: June 16, 2008, 11:07:52 PM

Quote from: Razgon on June 16, 2008, 09:22:25 AM

I never tried the PVP servers on EQ2 - are they really any fun? or is it just mindless being ganked upon as every other MMO PVP server?

I like EQ2 actually...fun classes and great looking game

And most important to me right now:   the scaling of the graphics actually MAKES IT PLAYABLE.   ARE YOU READING THIS You BUNCH OF GARBAGE CODERS OVER AT FUNCOM??????

Ok sorry snapped for a minute there.
2115  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: See you all in 6-7 months!!! on: June 16, 2008, 11:05:23 PM

Take care of yourself out there Kato.    And if you want some of us to write you, let us know!  You could zip Hark your mailing address when you get there.
2116  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Supreme Court Smacks Bushies Again... on: June 16, 2008, 03:22:20 AM

Quote from: Eightball on June 16, 2008, 02:53:01 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 15, 2008, 02:51:11 PM


Just any day now the Court will hand down the decision about the 2nd Amendment.      paranoid eek

Yes.   I'm scared.

Apples and Oranges, msd.

Oh I realize that.    But it reminded me that the decision is pending any day.    I'd let it slip under my radar screen.
2117  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Supreme Court Smacks Bushies Again... on: June 16, 2008, 03:21:23 AM

Quote from: Blackadar on June 15, 2008, 03:40:55 PM

Quote from: msduncan on June 15, 2008, 02:51:11 PM


Just any day now the Court will hand down the decision about the 2nd Amendment.      paranoid eek

Yes.   I'm scared.

Why?  With this ultra-conservative court, I doubt there's any real danger to the 2nd Amendment.  That's a good thing, too...I hope they fully reject the position of the District of Columbia. 

Oh shit, there goes my "good liberal" card.    paranoid icon_wink slywink

No worries Blackadar.   The 2nd Amendment is one of those issues that transcends parties.    As an NRA recruiter I signed up a ton of Democrats and self professed liberals.   
2118  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: My MGS4 Experience (aka: PS3 decides not to work) on: June 16, 2008, 03:13:14 AM

Took the PS3 over and plugged it into my dad's Sharp Aquos today through an HDMI input we both knew worked.   No dice.

I think (and hope) I've discovered the problem.   I'm calling Sony tomorrow.
2119  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: PIck My Car on: June 15, 2008, 08:01:17 PM

Quote from: D.A.Lewis on June 14, 2008, 11:54:26 PM

Its over - I went with my heart instead of my head and got . . . . . .

A MINI Cooper
http://www.miniusa.com/#/learn/FACTS_FEATURES_SPECS/Top_Features/|mini-m
 eek


got a wild yellow car with white sunroof and pin stripes
and my wifey completely approves

went there looking for a MINI cooper clubman but they are way to popular
and the dealer is putting a 2000 market adjustment on all clubmans
plus he only had three on the lot and the typical order takes 10 to 12 weeks

the MINI I got gets
28 city - 36 hwy
and I put out for the extended warranty
and basically all I have to do is oil, and change the tires for 5 years

curiously the car has a feature that shows how many miles
(not gas) are remaining in the fuel tank. Because I drive a lot
of freeway I acutally ended up with almost the same mileage remaining when I got home

the car is fast and looks like a space ship on the inside
there are all kind of computer components
like blue tooth, rain sensing, light sensing,  etc etc etc

the MINI dealership was far busier than any I had been too (honda, toyota, chevy, mazda, dodge).
the sales folks weren't pushy and were all rather pleasant
there deal closing is marvelous and they want no one to leave with buyers regret

Most fun I had car buying in a long time
thanks people all for all the advise
but the MINI is the type of car that may be a crazy purchase but
at least I don't need a second mortgage due to this little out break on insanity.

Did you get a standard cooper or a cooper S?
2120  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Supreme Court Smacks Bushies Again... on: June 15, 2008, 02:51:11 PM

Just any day now the Court will hand down the decision about the 2nd Amendment.      paranoid eek

Yes.   I'm scared.
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