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2041  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 29, 2008, 08:15:43 PM
Would this one work?

Geeksquad one.

I have a gift cert to Best Buy is why I'm asking.
2042  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Wife Issue (Advice?) on: June 29, 2008, 08:05:06 PM
Dude, YK -- you said on here you broke it off with this chick months ago!   nod

Edit:   JUST KIDDING YellowQueen.   YK is telling the truth..we're just giving him a hard time.
2043  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 29, 2008, 06:10:21 PM
I guess UPS's protect against poor power or power fluctuations?
2044  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama vs. McCain - My Research PT. 1 on: June 29, 2008, 05:38:11 PM

Quote from: Geezer on June 29, 2008, 04:02:03 PM

Quote from: Zarkon on June 28, 2008, 04:22:41 AM

Just a side note.

Most of those rich who are looking at possible tax increases?

Yeah, they've have significant tax breaks to begin with.  Why do you think so many rich people donate to charity?  It's all a tax break.  Start a business and have it fail?  Tax writeoff. 

And I'm not even a tax lawyer.  I'm sure one of those could really explain some of the breaks that are available to everyone, but that only the wealthy can truly take advantage of.

They have tax breaks because the *give away or lose* the money.  Let's say that a rich guy makes one million dollars.

The rich guy makes a $500k charitable contribution.  Then he loses 400K in a bad business startup.  He's left with a taxable 100K. (And incidentally - that 400K he lost? It went to employees, who paid income tax, or vendors, who pay tax or have employees who pay tax.)

No lets say another guy makes 100K and doesn't give any to charity and doesn't start a business.  He also has 100K in taxable income.

Do you REALLY think the rich guy is somehow "cheating the system?"  It's not like he got to keep the money he gave away. 

Serioulsy -- when people talk about all the "tax breaks" the rich get, I honestly wonder if they understand what a "tax deduction" is and why people get them.



Thank you geezer.   It's class warfare, plain and simple.    It's really easy to scare people with 'tax breaks for the rich' or 'rich guy cheating the system'.   It's much more difficult to get people to realize how it really works.
2045  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movies]Wall-E Impressions on: June 29, 2008, 04:44:28 PM

Quote from: Mookee on June 29, 2008, 04:23:33 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on June 28, 2008, 01:29:07 PM

You're right; "superficial" was a poorly chosen word. I should have said "simplistic". Simplicity is a good thing in a children's movie...it's just not an approach that appeals to me. From the reviews I read, I gather that WALL-E is more nuanced, and thus something that I'm more likely to enjoy. I should add that I haven't seen Ratatoulle or Cars, so maybe those had the layers of complexity that tickle my tortured soul.  icon_wink

Ironrod, Ratatouille fits your criteria the most out of any Pixar movie in my opinion. You should give it a shot - it's awesome. Cars, not so much.

The trick for appreciating Cars more deeply is to watch the short on the disc that explains how unbelievably accurately they captured and modified almost every detail of NASCAR -- down to the camera angles on the tracks.   
2046  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movies]Wall-E Impressions on: June 29, 2008, 04:00:50 PM

Quote from: The Myoclonic Jerk on June 29, 2008, 03:45:21 PM

I really enjoyed Ratatouille. Cars and Finding Nemo I found tedious, though. But I've definitely always considered Pixar to be superior to other animation companies. If only they could jam all the creativity of their shorts into their feature-length films.

That said, I enjoyed Wall-E immensely from an adult perspective, and give it a strong recommendation. There were elements of the plot I didn't care for (see spoiler box below), but all in all it was a fantastically realized story. While most Pixar films seem to aim for a mark above being merely children's entertainment, this is the only one in my opinion that might actually have hit it. And while any film so produced fails to feel fresh, this one has enough personality that it doesn't nearly seem stale.

Spoiler for Hiden:
I much preferred the silent-film "first half" to the environmentalist-adventure second. While the entire film is packed full of imagination and spectacle from beginning to end, it was difficult for me to dismiss the overbearing (but seamlessly interwoven) theme as mere science fiction. That doesn't mean that it wasn't still a wonderful story; I delighted in enjoying the plot from the robots' perspective. But the "message" often felt pushy. Or perhaps I'm just over-sensitive as a result of hearing "carbon footprint" eleven thousand times every time I switch on the news. Not that it isn't important to raise environmental awareness; I just prefer that it doesn't happen as part of an inspiring fantasy film. That said, it's entirely tolerable. It just nags in the back of the mind, throughout. But I suppose we couldn't have had this story without that plot point. It's just that environmental devastation is quickly becoming this generation's "atomic threat". Though I concede that the future will likely show us this one was worth worrying about.

We are opposites.   I loved Finding Nemo -- what I consider to be their best work -- and Cars (which I think on the surface looked like just a kid movie but was MUCH more funny on many many levels than most people realize upon further viewing).      However we both immensely enjoyed this movie.    I think that might mean they have something special here?
2047  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Diablo 3 to be announced this weekend? the magic 8-ball says... on: June 29, 2008, 03:25:51 PM
I should never have watched this.   Now I want it right now.
2048  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movies]Wall-E Impressions on: June 29, 2008, 02:23:07 PM

This is one of Pixar's best.   I thought last year's Ratatouille was an extreme disappointment.    Everyone on the forums and critics raved about it, but it didn't feel at all like a Pixar movie to me -- and was boring.    My family hasn't even watched it more than 3 times.

The other Pixar movies, on the other hand, we've watched a hundred times each.    There is usually a Pixar movie playing in the background of our house at all times -- with kids and all.      I can still...after surely hundreds of times -- watch Cars.

Anyway..that being said:   Wall-E will rank among my favorites.    The Pixar magic returns in this one.
2049  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 29, 2008, 02:11:20 PM

Quote from: mikeg on June 29, 2008, 12:30:31 PM

Quote from: msduncan on June 28, 2008, 03:20:53 PM

I think both times my PS3 HDMI issue has been as a result of a lightening strike nearby.    Both times the malfunction happened after a noticable close strike.     For whatever reason the PS3 doesn't take line surges very well -- not as well as any other component I've ever had.   So from now on....EVERYTHING down there get unplugged when I'm not using it.

I have been doing that since day one.  When I am not using it the electrical plug gets pulled from the back of the machine.  AND don't leave the ethernet cord in either.  I believe one of the biggest killers of electronics over time is poor quality electrical current.

If it is poor quality electrical current in my house, how do I fix that?    Probably amazingly expensive repairs, right?
2050  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: District of Columbia v. Heller -- Decision tomorrow on: June 29, 2008, 12:03:20 AM

Quote from: me on June 29, 2008, 12:00:58 AM

An interesting article in the Washington Post yesterday about what the ruling will actually mean to D.C.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/26/AR2008062603988.html

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...the District will continue to enforce a separate decades-old D.C. ban on the possession of most clip-loaded semiautomatic handguns, which are popular with gun enthusiasts.

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That regulation, which outlaws machine guns and was not part of the Supreme Court case, defines a machine gun in broad terms, encompassing semiautomatic weapons that can shoot, or be converted to shoot, more than 12 rounds without reloading, officials said.

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Nickles said the new rules for registering handguns will probably be similar to those in effect for rifles and shotguns, with additional restrictions. Residents generally will not be allowed to carry handguns outdoors, he said.

I'm happy that residents of D.C. will now be able to defend themselves in their homes. However, until some sort of conceal-carry law makes it on the books, those of us that live in Northern Virginia will still be in a bind. I live and work in Northern Virginia, but have to travel to D.C. for work at least 2-3 times a week, sometimes unexpectedly. DC's current gun laws are part of the reason I've never gotten a conceal-carry, because it would be more trouble than it worth to have to drop of my gun every time I left the Commonwealth. And under the current law if they did enact a conceal carry, I'd still be restricted to a six shooter. I'll be interested to see what future laws/court rulings will do.

They will continue to enforce them, but we'll see how it stands up in court from here on.   Those laws will be challenged.
2051  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: District of Columbia v. Heller -- Decision tomorrow on: June 29, 2008, 12:01:57 AM

Quote from: McBa1n on June 28, 2008, 09:30:11 PM

Yes, sorry, I wasn't clear. I are stoopit in writing. I was thinking 18 would be a good age at which to start owning firearms - but realistically, growing up where I did, having your first rifle was a right of passage as a teenager (I haven't ever owned a gun, however).
You know, I really don't even see an age requirement being all that big of an issue. I think if a father gave his kid a rifle, there's nothing wrong with that. Gun safety is very important to learn at a young age. I guess you can still do that if the father buys the gun and registers it and then gives it to his son.

Gun ownership shouldn't be so complicated, though. I can see a problem with kids showing up at the gun shop to buy guns when they are teenagers - but if a good parent gave their kid a firearm and showed them proper safety, I see no problem.
I just can't stress enough my belief in teaching kids proper gun safety at an early age.
I grew up in an area loaded with guns in Wisconsin - and there was never a problem and no crime to speak of, really. No one ever was killed and that was that. Why? There were gun clubs through the school that taught safety and fathers that taught safety. The irony of that is - of all the places I lived in, the areas with the most gun ownership had almost no crime versus areas with less gun ownership.




I completely agree with everything you said.
2052  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 29, 2008, 12:00:20 AM
I hope they upgrade mine.   I don't give a rip about backward compatability.
2053  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Wife Issue (Advice?) on: June 28, 2008, 04:12:33 PM

Quote from: tgb1.1 on June 28, 2008, 03:59:42 PM

Aren't you a little old (and mature) for Myspace?
Bwhahahahahahhahahahhaa

/points at YK

Bwahahahahhahahahahahahaha
2054  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Wife Issue (Advice?) on: June 28, 2008, 03:42:16 PM
Pregnant = crazy
2055  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Positively scary....... on: June 28, 2008, 03:37:04 PM

I predict a move to the Religion and Politics forum.   Tongue
2056  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 28, 2008, 03:20:53 PM
I think both times my PS3 HDMI issue has been as a result of a lightening strike nearby.    Both times the malfunction happened after a noticable close strike.     For whatever reason the PS3 doesn't take line surges very well -- not as well as any other component I've ever had.   So from now on....EVERYTHING down there get unplugged when I'm not using it.
2057  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: District of Columbia v. Heller -- Decision tomorrow on: June 28, 2008, 12:42:47 PM

Quote from: Biyobi on June 28, 2008, 06:45:52 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 28, 2008, 02:48:58 AM

Quote from: McBa1n on June 28, 2008, 02:15:11 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 28, 2008, 01:41:37 AM

Quote from: Pyperkub on June 28, 2008, 12:49:27 AM

Age limits?

A voting age citizen, in my opinion.

to own, not to use imo

Not sure I follow you?   You mean you think people should be able to own them but not shoot them?
I think he's pointed in the direction that you'd have to be 18 to own a gun, but 14 year old Timmy can still go hunting with his dad and use dad's rifle.

Oh right right right.   Yes.   100% agree.
2058  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: District of Columbia v. Heller -- Decision tomorrow on: June 28, 2008, 02:48:58 AM

Quote from: McBa1n on June 28, 2008, 02:15:11 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 28, 2008, 01:41:37 AM

Quote from: Pyperkub on June 28, 2008, 12:49:27 AM

Age limits?

A voting age citizen, in my opinion.

to own, not to use imo

Not sure I follow you?   You mean you think people should be able to own them but not shoot them?
2059  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: District of Columbia v. Heller -- Decision tomorrow on: June 28, 2008, 01:41:37 AM

Quote from: Pyperkub on June 28, 2008, 12:49:27 AM

Age limits?

A voting age citizen, in my opinion.
2060  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: District of Columbia v. Heller -- Decision tomorrow on: June 28, 2008, 12:40:52 AM

Quote from: Pyperkub on June 27, 2008, 11:33:27 PM

Question - under what circumstances (if any) would a citizen forfeit this right? 

Change would to should, as you wish.  This is a part of the debate.  An example being, let's say current prison inmates - I'm pretty sure 100% of the board agrees they shouldn't have the right to bear arms while in prison.  So msd and other ardent 2nd amendment supporters, under what circumstances can a citizen forfeit this right?

A citizen forfeits his right when he becomes a felon.    I'm pretty sure felons have traditionally (even centuries in the past) been deined some rights once they've broken society's rules.
2061  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 27, 2008, 03:05:56 PM
Sony:  shipped 3 day select  +1
Microsoft:  UPS ground  -

(Sony used 3 day when I had warranty service too 6 months ago...so I'm counting it here for out of warranty as well)

2062  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: District of Columbia v. Heller -- Decision tomorrow on: June 27, 2008, 03:17:10 AM

Quote from: Sarkus on June 27, 2008, 03:02:16 AM

Quote from: Biyobi on June 27, 2008, 01:09:06 AM

The thing is that the Supreme Court of the United States has decreed the U.S. Constitution to say that individuals have a right to bear arms.  Which judge do you think is going to look at the decision and say that their local law is going to supercede this precedent?  Every city that's put a blanket "no" to guns is going to have its citizens taking them to federal court saying that their Constitutionally guaranteed right to own a gun is being infringed.

Sure, but the Constitution is all about "Congress shall make no law" which is clearly about what the federal government can do.  As a federal district, DC is not Chicago or New York or LA.  While the 14th Amendment attempted to make the rights declared in the Constitution immune from state action, the Supreme Court has made it clear that states do have some overriding authority.

This was a specific case regarding a specific situation in a federal district.  Challenges to restrictive gun laws in non-federal districts will have to be determined seperately, but it would not surprise me if this court allows states a lot of leeway on this issue.



This both troubles me and also cheers me.    On one hand you have individual rights in the 2nd Amendment, and on the other hand -- if you are reading into this correctly -- you have State's rights.

I am a supporter of both.

Btw --  My theory on what would have happened if the court had gone the other way:   you would have seen rural states throughout the Union passing constitutional amendments to the State Constitutions that drafted every citizen of each state over a certain age into a 'state militia' for the sole purpose of preserving the right.   
2063  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 27, 2008, 02:36:23 AM

Sony:  Shows as shipped the 26th.    +1
Microsoft:  Shows as shipped the 26th.   +1
2064  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: District of Columbia v. Heller -- Decision tomorrow on: June 27, 2008, 01:01:59 AM

Quote from: Sarkus on June 27, 2008, 12:44:31 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 26, 2008, 10:58:29 PM

I bought some wine to celebrate tonight.    It was indeed a stressful night and morning for me.

I'm scared and shocked at how close this was....

Why?

I can't speak for you, but I can't promise that I'd actually go along with restrictive gun laws of the type DC was trying to enforce. 

Besides, this is a case specific to a federal district, which is why I don't expect the challenges already being brought against various other cities will succeed. 


True, but I want my children when they get to be adults to be able to go into a store and legally purcahse a firearm.    I also want them to be able to use them to protect their homes without being thrown in jail.

And we'll see about how far reaching this is.    The opinion was over 100 pages, and it's still being dissected.
2065  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: District of Columbia v. Heller -- Decision tomorrow on: June 26, 2008, 10:58:29 PM
I bought some wine to celebrate tonight.    It was indeed a stressful night and morning for me.

I'm scared and shocked at how close this was....
2066  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Starship Troopers 3 Trailer! on: June 26, 2008, 03:20:25 AM
This trailer doesn't inspire me.... and I **LOVED** the first movie and really got it.

And it wasn't all about Dizz, thought I lusted after her for weeks afterwards.   Denise Richards wasn't bad either, but her character was a pain in the ass.
2067  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 26, 2008, 02:38:22 AM

Quote from: Canuck on June 25, 2008, 09:35:50 AM

So which one had the fastest repair time?

They are both still in the shop.   It's a race!   icon_cool
2068  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: District of Columbia v. Heller -- Decision tomorrow on: June 26, 2008, 02:10:34 AM

Quote from: McBa1n on June 26, 2008, 01:35:28 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 26, 2008, 12:02:22 AM

This could arguably be the biggest Supreme Court ruling since Roe v Wade.   

At first glance, you sound nuts in saying that. On second thought - I think you are really on to something. However, I think the importance is based upon which way they side. If they go along with popular opinion on this forum and defend the 2nd amendment, it won't be that big of a deal compared to if they go the other way... Then we'd have a serious problem. I have a lot of words if they go against the way I think they'll go, hopefully I can save the wind to cool my coffee.

Agreed.   But I guess what I was saying is that the implications of this case on both sides is as large in my opinion.   If it goes against gun owners -- it will be an earth shaking decision that will rattle the foundations of the country.    If it goes in favor of gun owners -- it will be but a whisper, but to some of gun control supporters most ardent warriors it will represent a giant hurdle to some of that faction's end goals (gun bans on a large scale like in Austrailia).    Please note I'm not saying that all supporters of gun control support those drastic measures, but a faction does... and this has the potential to effectively end their aspirations of gun bans unless the Constitution is changed.
2069  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: District of Columbia v. Heller -- Decision tomorrow on: June 26, 2008, 12:02:22 AM
This could arguably be the biggest Supreme Court ruling since Roe v Wade.   
2070  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / District of Columbia v. Heller -- Decision tomorrow on: June 25, 2008, 11:22:29 PM

Thought I'd go ahead and start this thread as a watch.     The decision should come down tomorrow at 10 eastern.

Speculation among bloggers is that it is going to come down favorably on the gun-rights side.    Justice Scalia is the only justice not to write a majority opinion this session, and it is thought the majority opinion will be handed to him to write.     

Stay tuned!
2071  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Roll Tide! on: June 25, 2008, 03:08:32 AM

Quote from: McNutt on June 25, 2008, 02:08:06 AM

I was never sold on him.  He seemed too easy going for an SEC head coach.  Saban would get in a player's face if he blew a play, but Miles seemed to have a "that's okay" attitude.  I don't like that, but it wasn't enough to damn him in my eyes.  I really gained a lot of respect for him when he signed an extension and ended all of the Michigan speculation.  He never lied to us (yes, that still bothers LSU fans about Saban) even though everyone would have understood if he had left for Michigan.  He gave us a national title and he showed us that he's willing to kick off players that have issues with staying out of trouble, even if they are the starting quarterback.

I don't think he's the best coach out there, but he's pretty good and I don't know that we'd have better luck with anybody else.  There were rumors going around that if Miles took the Michigan job (that was floating around after week 1) we'd entertain hiring 1) Steve Spurrier 2) Tommy Tuberville or 3)Nick Saban.  Man, talk about a weird selection.  LSU fans have hated every one of those guys, but I'll be damned if we didn't sit around talking about which one we'd like.  I went with Tuberville, but that's only if offered a choice of those three.   icon_razz  Thank Jehova we didn't have to make that choice.

Hopefully Saban recently signaled that he's planning to stay at Alabama for a long time.   He and Terry donated $1 million to a University of Alabama scholarship fund.
2072  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Roll Tide! on: June 25, 2008, 01:48:20 AM

Quote from: McNutt on June 25, 2008, 01:03:53 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 25, 2008, 12:42:45 AM

Miles (who is btw an idiot)

An idiot with the title.   icon_wink

Alabama definitely has their issues, but, and it pains this LSU fan to say this, they will soon be feared.  Saban is going to whip these new recruits into shape.  He's a good coach and combine that with talent and a school like Alabama and you have a dangerous combination.

I was surpised at LSU offering Miles what they did.   From a non-LSU fan's perspective, we thought LSU fans had very little love for him.
2073  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: When was the last time someone changed your mind on an P/RN topic? on: June 25, 2008, 12:55:15 AM
I'll bite:

I changed my mind on 2 things in the OO forum that I can think of off the top of my head:

1.  I once accused liberals as being traitors and un-American.     Based on the (you guessed it -- FLOOD) of feedback I got, I completely changed my heart on this issue, not just my mind.   The responses weren't even as flaming as you'd expect....they called me to the carpet and made me realize that people on the opposite end of the spectrum as me (see:  Blackadar) are NOT any of those things.   They are Americans who want the same thing that I do:  a prosperous, secure, and free America.    It's the method or path to get there where we disagree.      Seeing someone as having good intentions but seeing a different path to get there makes you see them in a vastly different light than seeing someone that is anti-American or unpatriotic.

2.  Abu Graib and torture:    Initially I was of the "so what?  these guys are murderous terrorists in these prisons and they deserve what they get camp".   And the "especially if certain methods can save American lives" camp.      Then OO turned my opinion to think that if we are to remain the country that is the beacon of hope for the world, we cannot allow ourselves to stoop to the same moral level as our enemies, no matter how dirty they fight.     We have to maintain justice and liberty.     This is one reason why, shocking probably to some, I agreed with the decision last week by the SCOTUS to allow prisoners to challenge their detention in court.

So yes... some of us are capable of changing our minds.     I'll be the first to admit that it is rare -- but it does happen.

Edit to add:   Dangit Ironrod, you reminded me.     I followed the same course as you on gay marriage.    Fireball has a lot to do with my acceptance of the issue as a civil rights issue rather than political correctness.    Thank you Fireball.
2074  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Roll Tide! on: June 25, 2008, 12:42:45 AM

Quote from: Sarkus on June 25, 2008, 12:21:32 AM

Damn that Shula!  Serves them right for not hiring an alum.  Oh wait . . .

Oh well, he's definately the worst coach they've ever had.  Oh wait . . .
 icon_wink

Good thing Nick's in charge now.  He's clean as a whistle, the perfect guy to clean things up.

As an aside, I heard today that every coach in the SEC now makes at least a $1.5m base salary, compared to only two in the Pac 10.   icon_eek


Yeah... in true one-upmanship fashion, LSU made Miles (who is btw an idiot), the highest paid coach just to unseat Saban.
2075  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Great Console Catastrophe of 2008 on: June 25, 2008, 12:16:06 AM

More rating info:

The Sony return box was Next Day delivery:  +1
The Microsoft return box was UPS Ground:  -
2076  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Roll Tide! on: June 25, 2008, 12:12:20 AM

 These arrests are left overs from Shula's recruits.... one of the most undisciplined bunch ever to come out of Alabama.

We have the #1 recruiting class this year, and things are heading in the right direction.    The team finally 'gets it' on the field, and with Johns gone, it's a step closer to getting the bad apples out of this program for good.

2077  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 23, 2008, 05:52:49 PM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on June 23, 2008, 05:16:08 PM


Let's pretend for a moment that such wild supposition could be backed up with clips of all the nasty race-based innuendo lobbed at Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice by major media outlets like CNN and MSNBC -- which it can't.  How would that excuse the *actual* nasty race-based innuendo propagated by Fox News or Rush "Barack the Magic Negro" Limbaugh, or justify msduncan's anger at Obama for calling them out about it?

Because I'm not a goddamn racist, but he called me out about it too since I'm a Republican.

First of all:   quite pretending the Democrats are innocent.
Secondly:  neither of those people were a candidate for President.

Quote
partisan liberal opinions

We differ on partisan opinions.    I have my own partisan opinions on how foreign and domestic policy has been the last decade.
2078  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 23, 2008, 01:21:14 PM

Quote from: McBa1n on June 23, 2008, 07:11:28 AM

The neocon arm of the Republican party built it's core over racism fear mongering (before the democrats owned it prior, especially in the south). It's pretty well documented and runs back to HW Bush's run for Senate back in the 60s. A bunch of 'country club' Republicans were able to turn a tiny party in Texas into a major contender through such tactics, it's the base of the party's votes...

But Obama is correct in what he is saying. Any idiot can figure out any opponent he goes up against will have people working behind the scenes to make him look like a 'terrorist' or play up the fact he's black - and associates with 'black radicals', the scariest people on the planet! Other democrats have used his race and upbringing against him indirectly tons already - I don't know why it's so shocking to hear him saying that. Actually - it's redundant for him to say. Everyone knows that's the best way to beat him - since it's always worked due to our national retardation and hypocracy that we are 'all created equal'. This country has come a long way in terms of race/gender/religion, but it's nowhere near the bullshit we're fed. He's black, his middle name is "Hussein" and I've seen both references enough to make me sick to my stomach. He's a man, just like McCain -- and he's running for President, that's all that SHOULD matter, but for some reason that has nothing to do with what's going on. 'McCain is old'. blah - same crap. Why does it matter? Do news shows have nothing else to talk about?

No they don't.    All of the new organizations make their living from filling time on cable stations that run continuously 24 hours a day.   The networks, on the flip side, constantly try to steal attention and ratings from the cable stations in the shorter time they have airtime to talk.  This is asking for dumb things to be said, and dumb ideas to be covered.
2079  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 23, 2008, 03:45:21 AM

Quote from: Mr. Fed on June 23, 2008, 03:29:28 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 23, 2008, 03:21:37 AM



And my point was that Obama basically lumped all Republicans into the racist bunch by making the statements he did.    He said Republicans (that's me) will use race against me.   *I* am not, and neither is Huckabee or many other Republicans that understand the significance of his nomination.   But he's already labeled us as racist by making statements like that.    And I take offense.

That's a plausible reading.  Generalizations, as common as they are in modern politics, are regrettable.

How do you feel about throwing the first stone regarding generalizations?

I long ago apologized about the generalizations of which you speak, and they were on the other forum besides.   I am also not running for President on a platform that supposedly changes direction from that.   

btw -- I'm still self enforcing a break from OO R&P until the conventions, as I promised.
2080  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama (already) plays the race card on: June 23, 2008, 03:21:37 AM

Quote from: Pyperkub on June 23, 2008, 01:40:08 AM

Quote from: msduncan on June 22, 2008, 01:59:05 PM

Well like I said again -- many of those quotes were taken out of context.    The few that weren't probably equal out to the same left-slanted jabbering from the CNN's and MSNBC's out there.

Interestingly enough, I had to go to the UK to get the best sense of the quotes - the NY times article states that the most inflammatory one may not even be accurate.

Ultimately, I feel that those who stand to gain the most from a Republican President will attack Obama in any way possible, and the email and tv ads listed above will continue.  They will not necessarily be officially Republican, but the bottom line is that in this election more so than any other, those who see race first may well do anything to stop him, more than other Republicans, and the fact of the matter is that Obama has to defend against all of these attacks and attack back. 

One of the tools he has to use to defend against these attacks is the fact that some of them are racially motivated.  The Democrats have seen what happens when you ignore slurs from anyone of questionable character in the past, and getting the Republicans to police their more "out-there" supporters helps Obama.

And my point was that Obama basically lumped all Republicans into the racist bunch by making the statements he did.    He said Republicans (that's me) will use race against me.   *I* am not, and neither is Huckabee or many other Republicans that understand the significance of his nomination.   But he's already labeled us as racist by making statements like that.    And I take offense.
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