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1881  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: A financial S storm is brewing. Fannie/Freddie seized. on: September 15, 2008, 06:16:34 PM

Quote from: Brendan on September 15, 2008, 12:04:36 PM

Well, Cheeba, where exactly did I absolve Bill Clinton of responsibility?  The issue here, champ, is that Phil Gramm, who authored the two bills that're largely responsible for this current crisis, is the primary economic advisor of the current Republican candidate for President.  Did you see any democrats pushing for banking industry deregulation in the late 90s?  No, you didn't.

Hey......    and there goes the using of condescending terms like 'champ' again.

Woot!   I love it.   

"A person of tolerance and diversity keyed my car"   icon_lol

1882  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: September 15, 2008, 03:20:42 AM
Oh come on AA, you have to acknowledge my perfectly timed intellectually bankrupt quip!     thumbsup
1883  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: September 15, 2008, 01:27:23 AM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on September 14, 2008, 08:06:54 PM

Quote from: the Nightbreeze on September 14, 2008, 07:49:14 PM

We don't have to cede one pail  of dirt if we can think of a way to negotiate with them.

We barely talk to them except to tell them what actions they take and we don't like.  How are you going to change anything by diplomacy like that?

What can we give the Russians to not do what we would rather see them not do?

A kick in the pants is not the answer.  A terse email that will be ignored isn't either.  There must be answers.  What is certain is that the answer is not either of these.

Sorry, the Nightbreeze, I wasn't actually responding to your post, but rather making a comment on the today's trend of conservative forum members responding to detailed and thoughtful messages with intellectually bankrupt quips that intentionally misinterpret the entire point.

-Autistic Angel

Is your favorite color red?
1884  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: September 10, 2008, 01:33:39 AM

Quote from: Brendan on September 10, 2008, 01:01:13 AM

Quote from: msduncan on September 10, 2008, 12:53:12 AM

Theoretically speaking, when conception happens -- it's between two living cells.    Human cells.

This is the funniest thing you've ever written here.

Ok post made in haste*.    The second step is two cells.   Living cells.

*daddy left at home while mom is at PTA meeting to try to keep 5 and 3 year old alive until she returns.
1885  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: September 10, 2008, 12:53:12 AM
Quote

Let's take the most polarized subject in American politics for the last 25 years - abortion.  If someone wants to come at abortion from a standpoint of science, I'm all for having that discussion.  For example, if a fetus is typically viable at 24 weeks (it's not, but I think the earliest case is 20 weeks), then you (plural, not singular tense) can make a scientific case for "life" and you'd have a fair point about the State having an interest in protecting that life.  But to come at it from "God says life is created at conception"

Theoretically speaking, when conception happens -- it's between two living cells.    Human cells.

and:

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Consider brain activity happening when the fetus has developed only 8 (eight) brain cells. Eight is the mathematical number to sustain activity with 10 neuronal connections.

That happens by week 4 of pregnancy. By 3 months all the organs are formed.
1886  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: An aging computer tempers your enthusiasm for PC gaming on: September 10, 2008, 12:44:53 AM
Yeah I would definately recommend against a laptop as someone that has been there and lived to regret it.   It's great for the first year -- then it gets out of date and you can't just pop new components in to get you by.
1887  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / An aging computer tempers your enthusiasm for PC gaming on: September 09, 2008, 03:15:19 AM

My laptop is nearing retirement age.    He didn't save up any money, so he's going to have to keep working well into his years.      As a result, I'm struggling by, with a sometimes overheating video card, on a 2+ year old laptop that was purchased JUST before the leap to dual core processors.

So it's single core.   It can't run the latest games except on low rez and low details, and it's a real bummer.

It really does affect how psyched you are about PC gaming.    I find myself wanting to buy games (sometimes even buying them) and then not doing much with them because one or two crashes from my aging video card overheating, and I get cold feet and stop playing.

I just have to struggle by until February when I will have clearance to buy a new one.    Next time I'm definately NOT going laptop, because I wouldn't be in this fix if I could upgrade a little at a time.....

frown
1888  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: A financial S storm is brewing. Fannie/Freddie seized. on: September 09, 2008, 03:08:25 AM

Quote from: Jeff Jones on September 08, 2008, 08:53:44 PM

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or should we all start looking for housing in canada?

If Sarah Palin ever becomes VP of this country, I'll be doing that anyway. The thought of her succeeding a dead-in-office McCain scares me.

Way to go Captain Overreact!
1889  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: A financial S storm is brewing. Fannie/Freddie seized. on: September 09, 2008, 03:07:40 AM

Quote from: rickfc on September 08, 2008, 09:05:18 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on September 08, 2008, 09:02:09 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on September 08, 2008, 08:56:37 PM

Quote from: Moliere on September 08, 2008, 08:24:33 PM

Quote from: pr0ner on September 08, 2008, 08:01:53 PM

Quote from: gellar on September 08, 2008, 07:59:31 PM

Quote from: Laner on September 08, 2008, 07:54:36 PM

I'm just irritated that my tax dollars are paying for greedy lenders and ignorant buyers.

What he said.

gellar

+1

yeah

Ding

Werd.

uh huh

Bingo
1890  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: September 08, 2008, 11:32:44 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on September 08, 2008, 02:10:41 AM

Quote from: Gwar21 on September 07, 2008, 10:06:04 PM

Well, the thing is, her beliefs aren't atypical of those held by all conservative Christians.  Sure, she's a little extreme with her anti-abortion stance, but other than that her general beliefs are pretty normal, from what I've heard of them.  So, if her beliefs are what make her a "nutjob" or "wingnut", then all other cc's are also those things (which I know some people on this board, like Jeff V, fervently believe).

I'm a pseudo-conservative Christian personally, holding some of their typical beliefs but not all.  For instance, I think abstinence-only education is a bad idea, I'm opposed to teaching creationism in schools, and I'm opposed to capital punishment.  However, a majority of the people I know and like are conservative Christians.  Many of them are quite bright, into sports, critical of Bush, and perfectly normal to interact with.  They believe that the Bible is literally true, but it's not like that ever comes up in conversation unless you ask about it.  So, it grates on my nerves when they're dismissed with terms I find derisive, mocking, and borderline hate-filled.  Every time I see comments like those, I feel like the poster is giving a big "f*** you" to the religious right community and everyone within it, which I feel is uncalled for.  I personally may not always agree with them, but that's no reason to call them names.

Sorry, the "nutjob" term is a pet peeve of mine.  disgust  Maybe calling parts of the demographic names if you don't like them comes normally to some, but that doesn't mean we ought to accept it, either on the left or the right.

No, I do give a big f*** you to the religious right community - at least the portion that wants to turn this country into a theocracy.  I have no problem with beliefs like anti-choice, no gay marriage, creationism, abstinence-only sex ed and so forth.  I have a major problem when someone wants to impose that belief on everyone else. 

Don't want gay marriage?  Fine, don't have it.  Don't want the church to allow it?  That's a private institution...no problem if that sect decides that's not their way.  But passing laws to prevent it?  That's when "conservative christian" becomes "nutjob".  Same thing with creationism.  If someone wants to teach their kids if a flying spaghetti monster created the world, that's their business.  But to try to make the public school system teach that?  Nutjob.  When it comes to individual rights, trying to restrict something based on a religious belief is when it crosses the line for me.  I'll dismiss those who advocate such action with terms that I hope they find derisive and mocking because I've found that logical reasoning doesn't work with such folks - their actions aren't based on reason.  Just as they'd shout back at me that I'm going to hell because I don't believe their interpretation of one book.

You definition of nutjob would most likely include many members of the founding fathers and probably 75% of citizens in the heartland, and a good healthy 25% of citizens in even the most liberal states.
1891  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: September 08, 2008, 11:30:31 PM

Quote from: Captain Caveman on September 07, 2008, 10:51:49 PM

Quote from: Purge on September 07, 2008, 10:15:29 PM

I don't associate "christian" with nutjob; I associate zealotry, fundamentalism and overt cult behaviour as nut-job.

Creationism in schools? that's two strikes right there.

How about gay conversion?. Palin's church promotes it, though there's no way to know whether Palin herself believes in it. I hope she's asked, because  that's certainly not a sentiment I want a potential VP to hold (to put it lightly).

/shrug

Most churches in the south promote it.   This is a non-story to anyone in so called 'flyover' states.
1892  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Famous Community Organizers on: September 06, 2008, 03:59:06 PM

Quote from: warning on September 06, 2008, 02:45:40 PM

Quote from: msduncan on September 06, 2008, 02:34:52 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on September 06, 2008, 03:01:46 AM

Quote from: mori on September 06, 2008, 02:46:55 AM

Where is Obama and his great reform? thumbsdown

Obama wants things to umm umm, yah change, thats it, things to change.....    to what we dont have a clue.

The pdf and issues link that was posted is way too long to read.    Let me summarize for you instead brett:

Obama Change = socialization of America

Europe should *love* us afterwards!

Well you can't have it both ways.  Either Obama's "change" is vague and therefore appropriate for snarky drive-by posts or it's specific but not something you agree with.  One contributes to discussion on an adult level and the other doesn't.

Sure I can have it both ways.    His promises are vague and broad with little specifics, but the concepts that drive them are outright socialism.   

There...   both ways.
1893  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: SPORE Impressions on: September 06, 2008, 03:14:40 PM

Quote from: JohnathanStrange on September 06, 2008, 02:45:37 PM

Quote from: msduncan on September 06, 2008, 01:33:15 PM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on September 06, 2008, 01:48:06 AM

Quote from: msduncan on September 06, 2008, 12:35:04 AM

I'm really pissed off at eb for holding my copy hostage when people all over are getting it other ways.    mad

I'm no longer "pissed" at this sort of thing because I've been through it so many times before, but it does underscore my confusion over the point of street dates.  There are a dozen stores within 30-minutes of my home who have Spore, right now, stashed in the back, and they won't sell it because the publisher decided some arbitrary date when it should be allowed.  Meanwhile, Newegg establishes itself as a likely source for early releases in the future, and software pirates play the weekend away.

What is the lesson to the average consumer supposed to be here?

-Autistic Angel

The lesson they are trying to teach is apparently to download the game for free, play early, and say  finger to the software companies.

I'm not going to do that, but plenty of people will.
They'll pirate it regardless, the lure of a 100% discount is what pirating is about. They're not freedom fighters fighting against capitalist oppression - I'll teach corporate America a lesson for making me wait! If Spore was released last week at a 50% discount, it would've still been pirated days earlier.

I've heard this comment before - that if a company or store doesn't sell a new game immediately (if not sooner) - then the gamer "can understand why people - not me, but others - pirate." I suspect the concept of delayed gratification doesn't mean much anymore - probably not ripping the shrinkwrap off in the store and playing the game on one's laptop while walking to the parking lot would qualify.


For me it's more of a case of fantasizing about doing it because I'm pissed off about that abritrary release dates while everyone else is already playing it.
I'm hung up on my right-wing morals though, and also the fact that I love to have a hard copy (a real one) when I pay money.   It's the same reason I don't like the idea of the way they say movies will be distributed in the future.
1894  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Famous Community Organizers on: September 06, 2008, 02:34:52 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on September 06, 2008, 03:01:46 AM

Quote from: mori on September 06, 2008, 02:46:55 AM

Where is Obama and his great reform? thumbsdown

Obama wants things to umm umm, yah change, thats it, things to change.....    to what we dont have a clue.

The pdf and issues link that was posted is way too long to read.    Let me summarize for you instead brett:

Obama Change = socialization of America

Europe should *love* us afterwards!
1895  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: SPORE Impressions on: September 06, 2008, 01:38:49 PM

Quote from: Orgull on September 06, 2008, 02:55:20 AM

LOL

Love the original series music.   nice touch
1896  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: SPORE Impressions on: September 06, 2008, 01:35:34 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on September 06, 2008, 04:28:47 AM

Quote from: Tokek on September 06, 2008, 01:21:17 AM

I'm actually tempted to show up with my spore copy at my local gamestop and see if they'll release copies to people who wants them. Lol.

if you do you have to video it, and yell 'LET MY PEOPLE GO!'.

Better plan:    show up to gamestop with the copy and a friend holding the camera with the date displayed.       Have him cut the camera on just in time for you to pretend to pull it off the counter and out of a gamestop bag and say "I really appreciate you guys selling it to me early".   Cut quickly to avoid reaction.    This all has to be done before those guys realize what you are doing.

Then stick the mfer up on youtube today.
1897  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: SPORE Impressions on: September 06, 2008, 01:33:15 PM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on September 06, 2008, 01:48:06 AM

Quote from: msduncan on September 06, 2008, 12:35:04 AM

I'm really pissed off at eb for holding my copy hostage when people all over are getting it other ways.    mad

I'm no longer "pissed" at this sort of thing because I've been through it so many times before, but it does underscore my confusion over the point of street dates.  There are a dozen stores within 30-minutes of my home who have Spore, right now, stashed in the back, and they won't sell it because the publisher decided some arbitrary date when it should be allowed.  Meanwhile, Newegg establishes itself as a likely source for early releases in the future, and software pirates play the weekend away.

What is the lesson to the average consumer supposed to be here?

-Autistic Angel

The lesson they are trying to teach is apparently to download the game for free, play early, and say  finger to the software companies.

I'm not going to do that, but plenty of people will.
1898  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: SPORE Impressions on: September 06, 2008, 12:35:04 AM
I'm really pissed off at eb for holding my copy hostage when people all over are getting it other ways.    mad
1899  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: September 06, 2008, 12:25:44 AM

Quote from: rickfc on September 06, 2008, 12:00:00 AM

Quote from: msduncan on September 05, 2008, 09:52:00 PM

To my friend Yellowking:

The reason they are running around in hysterics about Palin, and the liberal bloggers are declaring all out war on her, is for one very simple fact:

She scares the __ck out of them.

I'm NOT talking about policies -- I'm talking about her ability to win this election for McCain, and become a national conservative political force to be reckoned with.

Edit to clarify:   her policies do scare them too, but only because the heart and soul of the democratic party has been hijacked by the far left moveon.org types to the point that they have turned to a very hard left candidate (Obama) with a hard left running mate (Biden).

Sarah Palin doesn't really scare me.  I won't get to that point if, and until, she takes over office should something happen to McCain.  What frightens me is the haste and carelessness of her selection.  She wasn't on the short list of possible candidates and it has been clearly pointed out how poor the vetting for her was.  That kind of decision-making by the person who could be our next Commander-in-Chief scares the shit out of me.

I didn't realize you had access to McCain's short list of candidates.    I really wish you'd have come here and let us know who was on his list.     
1900  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: September 05, 2008, 09:52:00 PM
To my friend Yellowking:

The reason they are running around in hysterics about Palin, and the liberal bloggers are declaring all out war on her, is for one very simple fact:

She scares the __ck out of them.

I'm NOT talking about policies -- I'm talking about her ability to win this election for McCain, and become a national conservative political force to be reckoned with.

Edit to clarify:   her policies do scare them too, but only because the heart and soul of the democratic party has been hijacked by the far left moveon.org types to the point that they have turned to a very hard left candidate (Obama) with a hard left running mate (Biden).
1901  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: September 05, 2008, 09:48:25 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on September 05, 2008, 08:51:55 PM

I love the Republican response to all of the Palin digging. 

'Yeah she's got baggage.  But you guys can't stop finding it.  She PWNED you!!!"

For months all we heard was that Obama would be learning on the job. And now the Republicans nominate a complete newcomer who a few weeks ago said she didn't even know what a Vice President does, which forces them to backtrack on all of that rhetoric. 

Great stuff.   icon_biggrin





First of all -- don't even get me started on Obama and Biden's baggage.   Palin and McCain might have a closet full, but you'd have to hire a moving van for what those two guys have.   You don't see me harping on it here though do you?

Secondly --  Sarah Palin said she didn't really know what a vp does in the CONTEXT of saying it was a non-productive position.   And it IS a non productive position.    And you guys were bitching that Cheney had too much power (a fact that hasn't been proven anyway) so even if it was productive, you'd be bitching it was too productive.

Thirdly  --  How did this partisan war start up with me not posting to it at all for several pages?    eek
1902  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: September 05, 2008, 02:24:44 AM

Roll Tide!!!
1903  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!! on: September 03, 2008, 10:58:42 AM

Quote from: Sarkus on September 03, 2008, 06:04:11 AM

Quote from: msduncan on September 03, 2008, 02:41:10 AM


So what you're saying is that SI just jinxed Bama?

I'll keep that in mind as a good excuse if they lose to Tulane.   icon_lol

Tulane will be a true test for what this team is made of.    Coming off a big win, it might be easy for them to dial it down a notch.   If instead they come in and play just as aggressive and physical with Tulane, we might have something special.
1904  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!! on: September 03, 2008, 02:41:10 AM
Bama makes cover of Sports Illustrated again.

1905  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Raids in Minnesota on: September 02, 2008, 03:01:02 AM
Yeah..... peaceful protesters....    not!
1906  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Raids in Minnesota on: September 01, 2008, 03:06:32 AM

You are really stretching on this one Blackadar.

These guys were noted anarchist protesters, and they had alllll their gear with them clearly (as seen in what the cops confiscated).

Lock em up and throw away the key.
1907  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!! on: August 31, 2008, 04:04:51 PM

Quote from: Tebunker on August 31, 2008, 03:44:12 PM

Quote from: msduncan on August 31, 2008, 04:42:41 AM


Domination!!!   Roll Tide baby!

I can't wait for next Saturday -- I'll be there with the wife in Tuscaloosa watching our home opener.     RTR!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the part where I need to pull the rest of Bama Nation aside and remind them that the ACC blows this year. Yeah, the Tide rolled Clemson right outta Atlanta, and as a card carrying Bama fan I was excited as hell, but I am also cautiously optimistic too, we've gotten off to great starts before only to fall apart, hell last year some retards were thinking we'd go undefeated and look how that ended up.

So, great win, good to see the young team come out swinging, and I hope they can keep it up.

If Bama ends up back in the Kickoff special again next year against Va Tech like they're talking about, I will buy tickets for sure. Too many of my friends are Tech fans and I would love to be there when Bama rolls em.

Think like a champion Tebunker!    And here is something to fire you up:

Tradition
1908  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!! on: August 31, 2008, 04:42:41 AM

Domination!!!   Roll Tide baby!

I can't wait for next Saturday -- I'll be there with the wife in Tuscaloosa watching our home opener.     RTR!!!!!!!!!!!
1909  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: August 30, 2008, 05:15:54 PM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on August 30, 2008, 05:08:54 PM

Quote from: TiLT
And to stay on topic: As a non-American (Norwegian), I find the McCain's choice of Palin to be quite interesting. It's an obvious ploy to capture the female vote from Obama, but it looks like it can tip both ways. Every time I think this election has stabilized, someone does something to turn everything upside-down. What's next, I wonder...

I *think* Palin will turn out to be a good choice for McCain.  She stands for all of the conservative right-wing positions you could hope for, and more importantly to me, she really walks the walk too: she actively hunts and has a son preparing to serve in Iraq.  Between McCain's military background and her own vested interested, it seems likely that the next Republican administration will take the welfare of our troops a lot more seriously than the current one.

Make no mistake: I disagree with Palin's stated views on the environment, Creationism, abortion rights, gay marriage, and others.  Nonetheless, from the small amount I've seen, I respect the way she follows through on her beliefs.

My concern about Palin is that she's been governor of Alaska for less than two years, yet she's already the subject of an active ethics investigation.  The little I know about the case makes me optimistic that she'll be fully cleared of the charge against her...but given the rampant abuses of power we've seen over the last eight years, this starts the new Republican ticket off on a pretty shaky footing.

-Autistic Angel

AA, I think you are hitting on what is most important to me as a Conservative Republiican.    Palin shores up the conservative base of his party without giving them an easy target like Romney would have.
1910  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: August 30, 2008, 05:14:44 PM

Quote from: TiLT on August 30, 2008, 04:14:28 PM

Quote from: msduncan on August 30, 2008, 01:25:41 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on August 30, 2008, 05:14:50 AM

Actually I think he did just hand the Dems the election.

This is what I'm hoping for.   The smug overconfidence ala 2004.

I think a lot of people are looking for a balanced and informative discussion in this thread. Some of us just lurk, while others post. Most of the discussion actually lives up to its promise, and is interesting in several ways. Your posts however, are pure jackassery and remove the fun from reading the thread.

Seriously msduncan, are you completely incapable of discussing politics without being a competitive asshole about it? Nobody is giving you this kind of attitude back. Note that this is about pretty much all your posts in this thread, not just the one I quoted above.

And to stay on topic: As a non-American (Norwegian), I find the McCain's choice of Palin to be quite interesting. It's an obvious ploy to capture the female vote from Obama, but it looks like it can tip both ways. Every time I think this election has stabilized, someone does something to turn everything upside-down. What's next, I wonder...


I wasn't talking about Leo being smug.   I was talking about the left being smug, much like --as a group -- they were in 2004 when Bush won reelection.   Nothing personal to Leo.
1911  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: August 30, 2008, 01:25:41 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on August 30, 2008, 05:14:50 AM

Actually I think he did just hand the Dems the election.

This is what I'm hoping for.   The smug overconfidence ala 2004.
1912  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: August 30, 2008, 02:39:45 AM
1913  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: August 30, 2008, 02:27:24 AM
The woman who took on her own party, and won.
1914  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: August 30, 2008, 02:24:01 AM

Quote from: jblank on August 30, 2008, 02:06:17 AM

At least Obama has IDEAS and is the real candidate of change.

Socialist and wealth-redistribution ideas.   More ideas than he can pay for without running the economy into the ground with massive tax increases.  Ideas I can't afford.

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McCain's tired, old, uninspiring, dangerous, and it's going to 4 more years of ludicrous foreign policy.

You mean like the surge?   You know.... the one that worked.    The one that Obama opposed and McCain supported?    An idea that was correct.

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How much more do you want our reputation in the world to drop MSD? How much more CAN it drop? Vote for McCain and find out.

I don't vote based on how I think our Eurpoean friends want us to vote.

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He'll change a heckuva lot more in Washington than John McCain ever will. I can promise you that.

Really?    What do you see in all those party line votes that tells you he will change anything?   What do you see in his VP pick that tells you he will change anything?    What do you see in his closest political allies (the Kennedy's) makes you think he'll change anything?

McCain was the change candidate before change candidates were in style 8 years ago.       You have bought and swallowed the cool-aid because Obama has crafted a Rock tour rather than a serious attempt at change and leadership.     He is the ultimate embedded beltway dweller with nothing but party line votes and career politician allies and a VP that is the same.
1915  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: August 30, 2008, 02:03:46 AM

Quote from: jblank on August 30, 2008, 01:59:29 AM

Quote from: msduncan on August 29, 2008, 11:56:33 PM

Quote from: jblank on August 29, 2008, 07:32:13 PM

But that is irrelevant Proner and it doesn't make her more qualified than any of them. Using your logic, she is actually more qualified to be President (even though being a Gov. isn't a qualification) than 100 Senators and 435 Congressmen......that just isn't the case.

Here is the rub:

McCain campaign has an experience-light VP candidate
Obama campaign has an experience-light Presidential candidate.

I don't even agree with that. This belief that Obama is a novice has GOT to end. The man has an extremely distinguished career and just because a lot of it's done at the state level (before 2004 obviously) doesn't mean he is inexperienced. Remember Abraham Lincoln, his highest elected office was the Illinois State Legislature and a single term in the US House. Just sayin'.

And he was a true leader during those years..... oh wait.... no he wasn't.    He voted party line every single time right in line with how his Illinois and then US Senate leaders told him to vote.    

Change I can believe in.......   hmm....  
1916  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: August 30, 2008, 02:01:44 AM

Quote from: Brendan on August 29, 2008, 08:41:15 PM

I look forward to republicans explaining Palin's signing of a windfall profits tax on oil companies in Alaska.

This post is like a window on your soul.    Instead of using a position your party supports against an opposite party candidate, you should be be commending her for taking a like-minded stance.

Anything to bring McCain-Palin down I suppose.
1917  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: August 30, 2008, 01:45:50 AM
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I think it's possible that McCain did even less vetting than you do on your republican crush-of-the-month (what happened to Meg Whitman?  And Mike Huckabee?  And Bobby Jindal?)

I still love Huckabee.    I never liked Meg Whitman and I challenge you to find the post where I said I did.    I also love Bobby Jindal, but he stated a month ago that he wasn't intrested.

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This pick is a clear pander.  Think of many qualified republican VP candidates there were - Romney, Huckabee, Pawlenty, Ridge, Lieberman, etc.  Is there any way Palin gets the nod over them if gender isn't the primary factor in the pick?  No, clearly not.  McCain ran an ad last week that appears pretty hypocritical in retrospect.   And unlike the ridiculous "PUMA" meme that your team spreads, there are actually some upset factions in the republican party.

You would have given your right testicle for him to choose one of those other candidates.     In fact Obama's staff had reviewed hours of Romney material and had commercials ready to go, but were caught completely off guard by the pick.      Are you upset that Obama got caught flat footed on this?   Of course you are.

And please get the nonsense about people within the party being upset at the pick outta my face.   Half your damn party was upset about Obama getting the nod over Hillary.

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But back to Palin.  Alaskan legislators, both Republican and Democrat, were happy to criticize her to the press today.

Of course they were.     You are choosing to completely ignore, for your own political mudslinging purposes, the crux of McCain's reason for picking her.    She became governor of Alaska to clean up the corruption of both parties in the state.... she did so... and pissed a buch of people off (mostly Republicans) in the process.    Sounds like change I can believe in.

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Ringing endorsements in your world, I assume.

And most delightfully for this upcoming season, she's been lying about this scandal in Alaska for which she's being investigated.  The report on the corruption charges will be released just days before the election.

Thumbs up indeed!

Unlike you, I don't rely on endorsements from career politicians to shape my opinions.     Your candidate is running a washington outsider campaign, right?    Biden is a Washington outsider right?   Oh... 

And that garbage 'scandal' you are desperately clinging to is a non-story.
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1918  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: August 30, 2008, 12:03:08 AM
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Metro population of Richmond, Virginia:  1,194,008
Metro population of Wasilla, Alaska:  5,469

If we are going to start playing these games.... that's cool.

Obama the change candidate's VP:    30+ year inside the beltway engrained lifetime politician.
McCain the supposedly insider's VP:  completely outside the beltway newcomer/fresh face.

Which is the campaign of change?
1919  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: August 29, 2008, 11:56:33 PM

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But that is irrelevant Proner and it doesn't make her more qualified than any of them. Using your logic, she is actually more qualified to be President (even though being a Gov. isn't a qualification) than 100 Senators and 435 Congressmen......that just isn't the case.

Here is the rub:

McCain campaign has an experience-light VP candidate
Obama campaign has an experience-light Presidential candidate.
1920  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Make your VEEP predictions! on: August 29, 2008, 11:51:34 PM
And that little inaccurate shot at what she said about the VEEP position --   it was a warping of her meaning and you know it.   She was remarking on how she thought the position was not productive and she could do better work somewhere else.
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