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161  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 21, 2013, 01:50:55 AM


To me, this is very elegant:

162  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 21, 2013, 01:40:06 AM

Quote from: Canuck on November 21, 2013, 01:38:27 AM

Quote from: msduncan on November 21, 2013, 01:01:04 AM

Quote from: Scraper on November 21, 2013, 12:09:30 AM

Quote from: msduncan on November 21, 2013, 12:02:12 AM



Saw a Bone display model on the way home tonight, and it was sexy as hell.    The design is very modern and simple.   It was also smaller than I was led to believe by the internet lynch mob.

Now I know you're smoking something. The Bone is a HUGE square box with very little design in it. Heck it looks like someone took an old desktop computer that was designed to have the monitor sit on top of it and painted it black then threw an Xbox symbol on the side. What exactly is sexy about that?

Edited to add that I couldn't care less what the machines look like, but to say it looks sexy and modern is just crazy.

I've said since the reveals that I loved the Bone design.   I never have been into Sony's style of making their consoles look oblong or oddly shaped.   The Bone is very elegant now that I've seen one in person.
I respect MSD's right to think that the Xbone is sexy. That is a subjective quality after all. Most of us and practically all of the reviews I have read would respectfully disagree however. On the other hand, who spends time looking at their console? I can barely recall what my PS3 looks like.

I don't like the external brick though.   I'll give Sony major points for that.
163  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 21, 2013, 01:29:02 AM

Just a reminder CeeKay.   My Xbone Kinect is going to be pointed directly at my bed.
164  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: November 21, 2013, 01:04:09 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on November 20, 2013, 11:33:24 PM

Quote from: msduncan on November 20, 2013, 10:21:35 PM

Quote from: Teggy on November 20, 2013, 10:04:29 PM

Albert Penello clarifies:

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That's not how it works.

We do automatically sync Save Games and Upload clips, so there is no need for storage management on that - it's all in the cloud.

For full downloads and Aps we do NOT automatically delete anything. You get a prompt when you run out of space, and you can manually uninstall what you want.

Keep in mind, external storage support is coming post-launch. This is a short-term issue we know needs to get better, but just for clarity we don't auto-delete anything.

Are you telling me that the knee-jerk anti-Microsoft reaction here on these forums was premature?

NONSENSE!!!!  

Yellowking!   Set Teggy straight please!  slywink

Yeah, not defensive at all...

Not defensive.   Sick of the bullshit piling on that is going on in this forum.    Yellowking and Soulchilde would agree with me I think.
165  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 21, 2013, 01:01:04 AM

Quote from: Scraper on November 21, 2013, 12:09:30 AM

Quote from: msduncan on November 21, 2013, 12:02:12 AM



Saw a Bone display model on the way home tonight, and it was sexy as hell.    The design is very modern and simple.   It was also smaller than I was led to believe by the internet lynch mob.

Now I know you're smoking something. The Bone is a HUGE square box with very little design in it. Heck it looks like someone took an old desktop computer that was designed to have the monitor sit on top of it and painted it black then threw an Xbox symbol on the side. What exactly is sexy about that?

Edited to add that I couldn't care less what the machines look like, but to say it looks sexy and modern is just crazy.

I've said since the reveals that I loved the Bone design.   I never have been into Sony's style of making their consoles look oblong or oddly shaped.   The Bone is very elegant now that I've seen one in person.
166  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 21, 2013, 12:02:12 AM


Saw a Bone display model on the way home tonight, and it was sexy as hell.    The design is very modern and simple.   It was also smaller than I was led to believe by the internet lynch mob.
167  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 21, 2013, 12:01:05 AM

Quote from: Canuck on November 20, 2013, 11:11:35 PM

I also find it odd that (not necessarily on this forum, but on the internets in general) fans of xbox have gone from "yeah I have a PS3-i mean Netflix machine-but it's all about the games man. GAMES GAMES GAMES! If I want to watch a movie I'll turn on my PS3" to "It's all about the media capabilities man. All the PS4 can do is play games. It's basically a PS 3.5."
The reversal of opinion is intriguing.

Ironic considering the PS3 turned out to be the better console last generation primarily because of the way it pushed the boundaries of media with Bluray.
168  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 10:46:10 PM

Oh and ATB, I respectfully disagree on locking this thread.    This thread keeps the arguing encapsulated to one place.   Elsewhere on the forum things are very peaceful.  It's not like that in the internet wilds.
169  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 10:40:05 PM

Quote from: Purge on November 20, 2013, 08:03:41 PM

It was a light-hearted jab back. biggrin
They're on damage control right now, which is to be expected with any failure rate.

If a single Xbone fails to boot, the lynch mob already has the torches ready. slywink

At this point, the Bone could go with 100% success rate and someone out there is going to put down his Knack, hit one with a bat, and then come here to complain how the system couldn't even withstand a hit from a bat.

Have I pushed this the past three posts enough for the usual suspects to feign neutrality and say that despite three pages of pissing on Xbone reviews (which came out higher than PS4 reviews btw) that us Bone buyers are being defensive because of the absolute disaster of the past 24 hours?
170  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Re: Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 10:35:55 PM

Quote from: Canuck on November 20, 2013, 10:29:49 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on November 20, 2013, 04:08:23 PM

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seeing the ign raw video makes me a bit bummed.  the voice commands don't appear to work any better than they did in Kinect 1.0.  in fact, it felt pretty much exactly what I remember with Kinect 1.0.  it seems like half of the time, the commands need to be repeated.  

From what I'm reading, there's a learning curve in figuring out how the Kinect wants to hear commands. If you just say "XboxForzaMotorsport5" it's not going to work and you're going to think it's non-responsive. You have to do a short pause after the Xbox to notify the unit you're about to issue the command. The IGN guy was running his words together quite often when it didn't respond. (Though I was surprised that even when he was running his words together it was still able to understand him quite often).

If you watch the video there were several times where the dude just wasn't using the right command. (For instance, saying "Xbox what's on MTV" before doing a Select).

Now I don't believe for a second that voice recognition is 100% perfect on the thing, but it is a machine and you can't blame it for not interpreting your intentions.
I'm not sure I agree with you unless by "running his words together" you mean "speaking naturally". As one review already mentioned you feel idiotic enough talking to your electronics, never mind having to do it slowly and clearly.

I would advise that you watch the gizmodo video.   The guy doesn't sound strange talking to his at all, and it works perfectly.
171  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 10:35:13 PM

Quote from: Scraper on November 20, 2013, 09:12:58 PM

Quote from: th'FOOL on November 20, 2013, 07:52:29 PM

Quote from: msduncan on November 20, 2013, 04:50:40 PM

Bottom line is, speaking from someone that has a PS4 and have been playing it all week, Xbone is pushing the envelope.   PS4 is essentially PS3 2.0.

 saywhat

Yeah I did the same thing. This seems to be the standard Xbone defense these days.  saywhat

No.  It's truth.   The PS4 is a more powerful version of their last console.  It pushes no envelopes.  It's customization features are stripped out.  It essentially says 'ok we screwed up on the quirky proprietary stuff last time, so we are taking zero chances and going with standard tech for dev fast pure gaming machine.    Microsoft goes first on their announcement, and Sony immediately leaves all their push features at the alter to rot by cutting their voice/video integration in favor of a $100 undercut of Microsoft's price.

Right now, I can go to my PS3 and customize it more than I can my PS4.   I can also yell at it all day long, but unless I go to the store and buy something extra it's not going to respond to me.

And the Xbone requires no defense.   Look at the reviews:   The Bone is scoring equal or even a notch higher on every review I've read.
172  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: November 20, 2013, 10:21:35 PM

Quote from: Teggy on November 20, 2013, 10:04:29 PM

Albert Penello clarifies:

Quote
That's not how it works.

We do automatically sync Save Games and Upload clips, so there is no need for storage management on that - it's all in the cloud.

For full downloads and Aps we do NOT automatically delete anything. You get a prompt when you run out of space, and you can manually uninstall what you want.

Keep in mind, external storage support is coming post-launch. This is a short-term issue we know needs to get better, but just for clarity we don't auto-delete anything.

Are you telling me that the knee-jerk anti-Microsoft reaction here on these forums was premature?

NONSENSE!!!!  

Yellowking!   Set Teggy straight please!  slywink
173  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 05:18:30 PM

Quote from: The Grue on November 20, 2013, 05:07:28 PM

Quote from: msduncan on November 20, 2013, 04:50:40 PM


Bottom line is, speaking from someone that has a PS4 and have been playing it all week, Xbone is pushing the envelope.   PS4 is essentially PS3 2.0.




What envelope is this thing pushing, exactly?  TV integration?  Oh, well not if you want more than stereo sound.  Kinect?  Well, only if you launch things by having great annunciation and with the proper marketing branding (XBox, launch Redbox Instant by Verizon).  Content management?  Sure, if you want them to decide for you which content stays and which goes.  They had some cool ideas and I was willing to give this a shot and maybe buy one at launch, but from what I have read in reviews (I wish they wouldn't score these stupid things), I am definitely waiting.

Meanwhile, I am playing games on my PS3 2.0 and loving it.  I wish MS had done the same and put the time and money into making the XBO perform better in that regard.  They wasted it trying to do this other stuff and then did it half-assed.

Yeah!  If they had only concentrated on games like DR3, Forza, and Titanfall they could have had a worthy game like Knack!
174  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 05:16:46 PM
I also live in the boons.    As a result I buy most of my games hard copy.  I don't usually even download electronic only copy games, but I can do it overnight if I really can't get it by other means.
175  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 05:04:16 PM

Quote from: Scraper on November 20, 2013, 05:01:15 PM

Quote from: TiLT on November 20, 2013, 04:42:41 PM

Quote from: Hetz on November 20, 2013, 04:34:05 PM

Xbone lacks proper storage management....you cant even tell how much space you have left on the internal hard drive.

http://www.neowin.net/news/xbox-one-lacks-proper-storage-management-microsoft-says-it-is-automatic

It's automatic!   icon_lol

Oh and remember, there is currently no way to upgrade the hard drive at all. USB drives are not supported yet. So, there is no way to tell how much space you have left on the drive....and you can't upgrade the drive at all. Seems fair.   Roll Eyes

From what I can gather out of that article, the console will probably delete your least used games as you start to run out of space, which means the user will never experience the concept of actually running out. It's a neat idea, but it should be optional for those who prefer to handle these things manually.

If that's true I hope there is a way to turn it off. I still have PS3 launch games on my HDD that I haven't played since 2007, but I still won't erase them, I like having them there. Not to mention it will suck having to re-download a multi Gig title simply because the Xbone erased it.

Why does it matter?  It will keep your saves and thus all you have to do if you decide to play an old game is to reinstall before picking up where you left off....
176  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 04:50:40 PM

Bottom line is, speaking from someone that has a PS4 and have been playing it all week, Xbone is pushing the envelope.   PS4 is essentially PS3 2.0.


177  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 04:40:01 PM


All you have to do is say:

Xbox, record that

Instead of:

Xbox record that
178  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 04:26:18 PM

Quote from: Hetz on November 20, 2013, 04:20:00 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on November 20, 2013, 04:08:23 PM

Quote
seeing the ign raw video makes me a bit bummed.  the voice commands don't appear to work any better than they did in Kinect 1.0.  in fact, it felt pretty much exactly what I remember with Kinect 1.0.  it seems like half of the time, the commands need to be repeated.  

From what I'm reading, there's a learning curve in figuring out how the Kinect wants to hear commands. If you just say "XboxForzaMotorsport5" it's not going to work and you're going to think it's non-responsive. You have to do a short pause after the Xbox to notify the unit you're about to issue the command. The IGN guy was running his words together quite often when it didn't respond. (Though I was surprised that even when he was running his words together it was still able to understand him quite often).

If you watch the video there were several times where the dude just wasn't using the right command. (For instance, saying "Xbox what's on MTV" before doing a Select).

Now I don't believe for a second that voice recognition is 100% perfect on the thing, but it is a machine and you can't blame it for not interpreting your intentions.

See, but this was the problem with the Kinect 1 and why the Kinect 2 seems to be no better. This is the real world, not a controlled environment where everyone knows exactly what to say and how to say it. In theory, the Kinect is awesome. In the real world...it sucks. Why MS insists on shoving the thing down everyone's throat, I don't know. It doesn't work.

Give me an Xbox One, without Kinect, for $399. That is what they should have done from the start.



Also, the voice commands for the Bone is no different from any cutting edge smart phone or google voice.  You have to learn how to speak to these devices as well.  Even Dragon is this way.   Once you figure it it, it works very well and you do it without thinking.
179  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 04:22:35 PM

Quote from: Hetz on November 20, 2013, 04:20:00 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on November 20, 2013, 04:08:23 PM

Quote
seeing the ign raw video makes me a bit bummed.  the voice commands don't appear to work any better than they did in Kinect 1.0.  in fact, it felt pretty much exactly what I remember with Kinect 1.0.  it seems like half of the time, the commands need to be repeated.  

From what I'm reading, there's a learning curve in figuring out how the Kinect wants to hear commands. If you just say "XboxForzaMotorsport5" it's not going to work and you're going to think it's non-responsive. You have to do a short pause after the Xbox to notify the unit you're about to issue the command. The IGN guy was running his words together quite often when it didn't respond. (Though I was surprised that even when he was running his words together it was still able to understand him quite often).

If you watch the video there were several times where the dude just wasn't using the right command. (For instance, saying "Xbox what's on MTV" before doing a Select).

Now I don't believe for a second that voice recognition is 100% perfect on the thing, but it is a machine and you can't blame it for not interpreting your intentions.

See, but this was the problem with the Kinect 1 and why the Kinect 2 seems to be no better. This is the real world, not a controlled environment where everyone knows exactly what to say and how to say it. In theory, the Kinect is awesome. In the real world...it sucks. Why MS insists on shoving the thing down everyone's throat, I don't know. It doesn't work.

Give me an Xbox One, without Kinect, for $399. That is what they should have done from the start.



No they shouldn't have.   The ps camera will be a failure for this very reason.

The Kinect will have solid support for the next 8 years.
180  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 04:21:04 PM
Adjusting for inflation, the Bone is actually lower cost than many previous consoles.
181  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 03:53:19 PM
I'm assuming the ign video had the day one patch.....
182  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 01:01:26 PM

Quote from: Hetz on November 20, 2013, 12:56:40 PM

Quote from: Canuck on November 20, 2013, 12:45:22 PM

Quote from: Hetz on November 20, 2013, 12:21:37 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on November 20, 2013, 10:36:01 AM

IGN doesn't have a score up but what they do have is 23 minutes of unedited video of one of the producers using the xbox.   

I'm excited for Friday, but I can see where some frustration will crop up using the voice features

Wow, that was not a flattering video at all.

Also, it takes 1 minute and 8 seconds to boot the machine?!?!? Ugh....glad I'm waiting. Hopefully they iron this stuff out, soon.
I thought it took 22 seconds? Obviously, both consoles are unfinished-that's what's so great about the whole thing. Look at the PS3 at the beginning of the generation and at the end. If Sony does the same with the PS4 then it will be the greatest console off all time by the end of this new gen.


http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-xbox-one-hardware-test

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an Xbox One cold boot takes a remarkable one minute, eight seconds to complete



So what?  My PS4 cold boot (not from standby) takes a remarkable 40 seconds to boot.   I seldom have the thing completely shut down.
183  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 12:55:38 PM


I have to chuckle.    The PS4 launched less than a week ago to reviews that, based on about an hour of comparing late last night, were either equal or a notch below those of the Xbone.   Somehow that translates to some of you as the PS4 being the OMGZ GREATAST EVAR TROUNCE XBONEZZZZZZZZZzzzz #spittlethroughretainer.

I've read review after review of the Bone last night and they range from equal to a notch better than the PS4.   
184  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: November 20, 2013, 05:15:36 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on November 20, 2013, 12:39:20 AM

just got a new email from Amazon, along with one reminding me to make sure my payment info is up to date:

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Customers who signed up to be notified of Xbox One console availability might like to know that we will have units of the Xbox One available for pre-order on Wednesday, November 20.

Quantities are limited so you will need to pre-order while supplies last, starting at 8 a.m. ET / 5 a.m. PT.

Got the same.   Didn't get this for the PS4.   I checked my payment option thinking my card info might be wonky but it looks fine.

Maybe this email is precautionary to avoid problems they had with the PS4 launch?
185  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 3 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 05:10:45 AM


Cnet review matched PS4's.    3.5 stars for both systems.
186  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 3 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 05:06:42 AM

Polygon Review.   The future is here.

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The Xbox One is an impressive marriage of software and hardware that raises the bar in terms of what we expect from a living room machine. Looking forward more than it looks back, the Xbox One feels like it's from the future.
187  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: November 20, 2013, 03:48:30 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on November 20, 2013, 03:38:50 AM

bah, it was obviously paid for.  fake!  lies! Torches and Happiness!

Fortunately they are all playing Knack and are too busy to pan this article.

slywink
188  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: November 20, 2013, 03:37:48 AM

Quote from: YellowKing on November 20, 2013, 03:08:09 AM

Rolling Stone breaks embargo with the first major Xbox One review. They made a mistake on a statement about certain launch titles running 1080p/60fps, but if you can overlook that cringe-worthy error it's a good read.  dude

#excited as hell

Honestly I've been underwhelmed with the PS4 interface.   They went too simplistic -- no ability to customize.
189  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Elder Scrolls Online Beta on: November 20, 2013, 12:24:41 AM


Wait a second... upon further review my 'beta session' only lasts two days????

W. T. F?
190  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Elder Scrolls Online Beta on: November 20, 2013, 12:23:12 AM

OMG.   Just got an invite!

(of COURSE I did.... the same week I'm getting two consoles)
191  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: NBA2k14 on: November 19, 2013, 08:33:05 PM


The visuals in this game are incredible.   The audio is amazing as well.

The menu?   Confusing as hell.
192  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: November 19, 2013, 04:41:28 PM


So can you still post videos and photos from your games right off the bat?   Just no steaming?
193  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The "No Next-Gen Console" Support Group on: November 19, 2013, 04:36:29 PM

I lament the fact that I won't be able to play The Last of Us on my juicy, hot, sleek, mouth-watering PS4 and use the nifty streaming functionality to share my adventure with others.

It sucks.   You guys can play the hell out of The Last of Us whilst I'll be stuck with Knack.
194  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 3 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 19, 2013, 03:14:27 PM

Does anyone on GT staff have a One they are reviewing?
195  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 3 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 19, 2013, 03:12:23 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on November 19, 2013, 03:04:11 PM

Quote from: msduncan on November 19, 2013, 03:01:10 PM



Doesn't the hardware review embargo lift today?

Where are my reviews?!

12 mid est
9 pm pst

I'm more anoyed wiith MS stupid embargoes.   I understand they want to control the message, but most savvy gamers smell something fishy when information is piecemealed like this

I think it's less fishy and more of a 'stretch out the PR for the whole week' kind of strategy.
196  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 3 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 19, 2013, 03:01:10 PM


Doesn't the hardware review embargo lift today?

Where are my reviews?!
197  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 3 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 19, 2013, 02:50:10 PM
Not sure what I'm looking at there?

Is the left scale the number of exclusives?
198  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 3 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 19, 2013, 05:13:18 AM


BOOM.   3 days
199  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What is the worst game you've ever played? on: November 19, 2013, 01:05:42 AM


ET
200  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: November 19, 2013, 12:38:48 AM

Teggy, I tried to view your Knack video but it won't play for me.

Do I have to have Knack to view the video?
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