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81  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Netflix Instant Watch recommendation thread on: January 31, 2014, 04:04:00 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 31, 2014, 01:25:36 PM

Quote from: MonkeyFinger on January 31, 2014, 03:03:51 AM

Quote from: kronovan on January 30, 2014, 07:35:16 PM

  • The Last Exile; don't know how to describe, but it's for sure epic.
  • Darker Than Black; somewhat dark urban arcana (may also be on Netflix)

I loved The Last Exile and went to the trouble of tracking down a copy of 'The Murata Range Complete Set Edition' on DVD back in 2008. And yes, Darker Than Black is on Netflix.

Darker Than Black isn't on Netflix for me.

If you're also considering any of the others in the list I posted, I'd recommend viewing those before Darker than Black. It's an excellent anime, but it's a small notch below the others I listed.
82  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Netflix Instant Watch recommendation thread on: January 30, 2014, 08:10:53 PM

Quote from: Razgon on January 30, 2014, 07:53:35 PM

Is any of the anime kinda like epic western adventures without the heroes being kids with spikey hair and big swords or small girls? Not judging, its just not for me.

No, not really. You have to remember that anime features and series are primarily funded by Japanese companies and any production has to sell well in that maket. That market has really only proven to have a taste for westerns that have some twist on them or are cross-genre. So there's Trigun which has a lot of comedy, some steampunk and yeah, the wacky anti-hero with weird hair. There's also a fair amount of space cowboy like Cowboy Beebop and Oultaw Star. Usually when a Japanese producer gets an itch to produce something along the lines of a Western, it's almost always a Samurai movie - usually with a revenge story. Those are afterall the western equivalents for that culture.
83  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Netflix Instant Watch recommendation thread on: January 30, 2014, 07:35:16 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 30, 2014, 01:14:23 PM

It's been a long time since I did the anime thing, but I've added it to the queue.  

Is there anything else in the last, say, 10 years that is "must see"?

Of the ones listed here, I would put Bebop and Escaflowne in that category.

If you're looking for series, these are the animes in the past 10 years that have impressed me the most:

  • The Last Exile; don't know how to describe, but it's for sure epic.
  • Samurai 7; a sort of steampunk retelling of Kurosawa's Seven Samurai
  • Samurai Champloo; Samurai revenge with hip hop thrown in (may already be on Netflix because it's available on
  • Planetes;  blue collar sanitation workers on a space station -has to be seen to be believed
  • Darker Than Black; somewhat dark urban arcana (may also be on Netflix)
  • Technolyze; somewhat dark cyberpunk
  • Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex 2; IMO better than the 1st series
  • Gungrave; urban arcana/horror
  • Moribito: Guardian of the Spirit; historical fantasy set in feudal Japan and China

[Edit] I didn't include Attack of the Titans on my list because I already mentioned how excellent it is. Added 1 I missed. slywink

84  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Netflix Instant Watch recommendation thread on: January 29, 2014, 08:19:19 PM

Quote from: Siljanus on January 29, 2014, 06:42:15 PM

Quote from: hepcat on January 29, 2014, 06:39:18 PM

I started watching Attack on Titan last night.  I only made it through the first episode, but it seems like it might be fun.  I always appreciate subtitled with original dialog on foreign shows too.  The majority of voice actors they use for things without a real budget are just awful and take me out of the show while watching.

(ended up deleting my original post by accident and reposting which referenced the lack of dubbing)

Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised by the subtitles.  Sometimes you get a winner like Cowboy Bebop.  But other times the voice acting falls a bit flat.

I've watched so many anime series that I've lost count - have close to 200 DVD/BRD anime volumes in my movie library. That said, this series really impressed me. I loved how the studio (Production I.G) captured the original style of the manga and I also really liked the direction - it was Tetsuro Araki who also did great stuff with Gungrave and Black Lagoon, so I shouldn't have been too surprised.

To me what was really great about this series is how it blended genres so well. The impressive/frightening titans gave it a sort of mythical fantasy flavor, but the other aspects of it seemed to be some sort of take on sword & sorcery and steampunk - maybe "sword & steampunk." slywink  At times it reminded me of Vision of Escaflowne, but that was probably due more to the overall quality of it. I agree with the other positive comments here - IMO this is definitely an anime to see, even if you don't particularly care for the medium.
85  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Superbowl on: January 29, 2014, 07:46:56 PM
The Sherman gesture was definitely inappropriate, but I can tell you he can do no wrong in the eyes of some of the fans here in Vancouver. He's known to attend Canucks games wearing a team jersey. Needless to say I'm seeing a lot of Seahawks-Sherman jerseys being sported around town. I think if the Hawks win the bowl, he'll need to be invited to a corporate suite to watch games; unless he doesn't mind being mobbed. Heck, that's probably true now even if they don't win.

I'm not so impressed with his off-field behavior, but I'm also not much of a Canucks fan.
86  Gaming / Analog Gaming / Re: Nightfall: A Deck Building Game I can Enjoy, Despite Not Being a Card Game Fan on: January 29, 2014, 07:26:49 PM
The theme is what does it for me. My kids  -particularly my daughter- can't get enough of horror-themed games like this. My gaming group enjoys it, but it's hitting the table more often with my kids. I love how the Dark Rages expansion enhanced the theme by intro'ing the avatars.
87  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie] The Raid 2: Berandal on: January 24, 2014, 06:11:42 PM
The 1st film didn't get a screening in my city and I have no expectation of this making the silver screen either. I was mildly surprised when the 1st made it to Netflix. This sounds very promising and I'll almost certainly buy the BRD.
88  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Superbowl on: January 20, 2014, 05:03:17 AM

Quote from: The Grue on January 20, 2014, 04:52:09 AM

Unless you're talking about some other roughing the kicker penalty (I was only able to watch the second half of the game), I think it was running into the kicker and was called correctly as the 5-yard kind.

I'm not sure about the NFL rule, but in the CFL the running into the kicker rule is called contacting the kicker and it's usually only called when a defending player makes contact with the kicker's kicking leg. Even when the contact is minimal, it's almost always called roughing the kicker here when contact is made with the plant leg. That's probably something that's different between the 2 leagues though.

[edit] Looks like Leo beat me to it.   slywink So it sounds like the rules on this are the same; just different wording.
89  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Championship Weekend on: January 20, 2014, 03:16:37 AM

Quote from: naednek on January 20, 2014, 03:00:07 AM

Quote from: kronovan on January 20, 2014, 02:53:10 AM

Awesome! Hawks movin on to the Superbowl!  Oh man what a great game - a real defensive masterpiece.

just curious...  And I'm trying to be polite here.  How did you feel about the officiating on that game?  

I mainly want to see if it's just me being too attached to the team

I thought the officiating in that game was worse than any of the CFL playoff games I watched this year. It wasn't poor enough to ruin a game where 2 D's played a heckuva game though. The kicker call surprised me, but that no doubt has a lot due to me primarily being a CFL fan where with only 3 downs the officials HAVE to make that call correctly. I haven't watched enough NFL games to know if that sort of ruling is uncommon. The missed turnover call at the 1 yard line was IMO worse - a player holds onto a ball like Bowman did through all that pain, you owe it to him to get that call right. Not that it would have been a game changer, since as it turned out 49ers ended up with better field position and Kaepernick through an interception on the next drive.
90  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Championship Weekend on: January 20, 2014, 02:53:10 AM
Awesome! Hawks movin on to the Superbowl!  Oh man what a great game - a real defensive masterpiece.
91  Gaming / Analog Gaming / Re: Games similar to HeroQuest? on: January 15, 2014, 09:16:07 PM
It's been so long since I've played Hero Quest, but I'd 2nd your idea that the D&D Adventure games might scratch the same itch. As well, gaming friends that I know that owned and liked HQ also seem to enjoy Mage Knight.
92  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Games for Windows Live going away in 2014? on: January 13, 2014, 06:34:17 PM
Interesting wiki. I'm going to have to check into what my options are for Section 8 Prejudice, although it's more or less mplay only and that's probably dried up by now anyways.
93  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Movie] Looper on: January 13, 2014, 06:25:41 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on January 13, 2014, 06:07:54 PM

10/10 - kronovan reaches enlightenment, sprouts wings, and flies to the top of Mount Olympus to begin his rule over the remaining mortals

lol IIRC I think I made a post at this, or some website, that Inception was a 10/10. And yeah I did something similar to what you describe, was all just in a dream.  Tongue
94  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Netflix Instant Watch recommendation thread on: January 13, 2014, 06:11:05 PM

Quote from: USMC Kato on January 13, 2014, 02:08:13 AM

Watched the "Flight of the Intruder" last night. Still holds up very well smile

Yeah, I have this one in my library and it gets pulled out at least once a year. It's got one of my favorite Tom Sizemore performances, although I admittedly like him in just about any military themed movie. I only read the sequel to the Coont's novel, so that's probably has helped me to continue to enjoy it.
95  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Movie] Looper on: January 13, 2014, 06:02:19 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on January 13, 2014, 04:53:34 PM

8/10 is your 'absolutely loved it' rating?!

My love for it had a lot to do with the theme. There were a few rough edges, that brought it down a point for me. And yeah...there's very few movies I'd ever give 9/10 for, so maybe I do use the GT scale.  slywink
96  Gaming / Analog Gaming / Nightfall: A Deck Building Game I can Enjoy, Despite Not Being a Card Game Fan on: January 13, 2014, 05:41:29 PM
I picked up these 2 base/starter sets for this Deck Building Game:

As well as this expansion and promo:

...for about $40 in a Boxing Day Sale.

Admittedly, I'm not that big of a card game fan with the exception of the 2 Asian games Gang of Four and Tichu. I've got my fingers bloodied in the past with a few constructor deck games like Magic tG and Yu-gi-oh, but the power creep and PtW aspect of those was a turn off. I really enjoy the added strategy of a DBG game, but Dominion just didn't gel with my gaming group. Rune Age faired a bit better with them, but I don't get it off the shelf often. I'd sat down to the Coldest War a while back and really enjoyed it, but that group sort of evaporated and the player with the game moved away.Then I noticed one of my FLG's offered a 66% discount of the series in a Boxing Day sale and I immediately jumped on it.

Man oh man are my gaming group and I are loving it. It's got a really nice card chaining mechanic, a lot of meat to it and some very nice artwork. The chaining is challenging and cool, because it resolves in reverse order to how the cards were played, so what was a good idea at the start or middle, may end up in being a pain in the butt in the end.  The Dark Rages expansion added an avatar feature, which allows you to be something like a Vampire overlord or Lycanthrope warlord and get perks while playing cards along their lines of affinity while getting penalties by playing oppositional cards. This game is much more aggressive than other DBG's in that any card you play in a chain must be used to attack opponents when it's your turn. Needless to say social interaction is pretty damn important in this game. I could see the more aggressive nature of it possibly turning off the Dominion crowd who are used to a tamer game, but it really works for my group who tend to be more wargamers.

[Edit] Doh! - I just found Bullwinkle's post with its detailed review of this from a few years ago. Oh well...that thread was from 2011 so maybe it was better to not raise it from the dead, despite that being a very appropriate theme for this game.   Tongue
97  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Movie] Looper on: January 13, 2014, 04:48:11 PM
I finally got around to watching this on the weekend and I absolutely loved it - one of the few SciFi films I've seen in a while I'd give an 8/10.  I thought the performance by Willis was good and those by Gordon-Levitt and Blunt were very good, but the one turned in by Pierce Gagnon was excellent. That was one of the scariest kids I've seen in a movie in some time. Definitely going to add this one to my library.
98  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Netflix Instant Watch recommendation thread on: January 06, 2014, 08:05:14 PM

Quote from: forgeforsaken on January 06, 2014, 07:46:43 PM

The Last Stand went up over the weekend.  It was the first American movie directed by Kim Jee-Woon, who did the absolutely amazing The Good, the Bad, the Weird.  The Last Stand is kind of ok action fair with Schwarzenegger, but lacks the magic of Kim's Korean films.  If you havent watched The Good, the Bad, the Weird yet, check it out, it's great and also on Netflix.

Sadly, the only Kim Jee-Woon we have on Netflix Canuckistan is his short piece in The Doomsday Book which is far from his best. I enjoyed The Good, the Bad, the Weird as well as his A Tale of Two Sisters, and I really enjoyed his A Bittersweet Life - his best film IMO. I keep hoping we get some of his better movies, but so far we've been shut out.  icon_frown

[Edit] Almost forgot to mention - but 2 excellent Korean films we have on are A Company Man and The Man from Nowhere. Don't know if they're on Netflix USA, but if they are you might enjoy them too.
99  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Hey Microsoft! on: January 06, 2014, 07:54:00 PM

Quote from: Purge on January 06, 2014, 04:43:48 AM

You have this vast wealth of hardware experience. You've been making controllers, keyboards and mice for the better part of three decades.

Yes they do, but from my experience they've haven't been particularly good at it. I've yet to own a piece of MS hardware that wasn't deficient or prematurely defective. And that includes non-gaming hardware form many moons ago, like the 80286 CPU upgrades they manufactured in the 80's. Even their mice and keyboards have been a disappointment for me. If you're wanting a decent fighter stick for the XB1, I wouldn't count on MS delivering it.
100  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Hunger Games: Catching Fire on: January 06, 2014, 07:17:34 PM
I saw this movie last week and really enjoyed it. Watching it I figured out why I liked this and the 1st movie so much - IMO they've got a 70's dystopian vibe to them. Some of my favorite dystopian-themed movies are 70's films like Rollerball, Logans Run, THX 1138 and Soylent Green. Admittedly it might just be the nostalgia of my childhood, but I swear there's scene settings and art direction in this and the 1st film that pay homage to 70's movies like those.

I thought the performances by Jennifer Lawrence, Donald Sutherland and Woody Harrelson were good. For me the story and plot were descent and in particular the details and twists around the environmental arena were clever. I can see where some may find the story silly, but there's few Dystopian-themed novels and movies I've read and viewed that didn't have some element of that and a strong need to suspend disbelief. I haven't read the Hunger Games books and doubt I ever will, so that may very well allow me to appreciate this more than many others.
101  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Wild Card Weekend on: January 06, 2014, 12:50:52 AM
Now that was a great game, especially after that Colts-Chiefs circus yesterday.  Great win by the 49ers.
102  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Hobbit finds a director on: January 03, 2014, 03:42:49 AM
Wot! Useless! How could anyone think stuff like this was useless:

"Hey dol! merry dol! ring a dong dillo!
Ring a dong! hop along! fal lal the willow!
Tom Bom, jolly Tom, Tom Bombadillo!"

Besides all that fun, didn't he have a meth lab and psylicybe mushroom farm in his basement? I mean the guy was the most fun character in the entire trilogy.  icon_biggrin
103  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Hobbit finds a director on: January 03, 2014, 01:52:47 AM
I've read the Hobbit and LotR trilogy enough times -mostly to children- that I've lost count. Having read it that many times I couldn't care less how much The Hobbit diverges from the original story. I was more concerned about content being dropped in the 1st trilogy movies and was miffed a bit when Tom Bombadil and the barrow wraiths sections weren't there in the Fellowship. As long as the extra content adds something and doesn't drag on too much I'm OK with it. So far I've enjoyed both movies, so it's worked for me.
104  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Adventures of Tintin [movie] on: January 03, 2014, 01:41:42 AM
I've still only watched it once even though it's been on for a while. I agree about the editing - it was very good. Here's hoping Jackson equals Spielberg's directing for the 2nd movie.
105  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Hobbit finds a director on: December 31, 2013, 07:20:03 PM
I agree with both of you - Smaug is very well done and definitely one of the best beasts I've ever seen in a film. Actually, IMO all the production values are top rate for this. I agree with YellowKing's interpretation about the character's behavior discussed in heloder's spoiler. I thought his behavior was quite clearly explained by events and dialog in the film. My kids and I really enjoyed the female elf protagonist Tauriel  (think I spelled that correctly) that they added to the story. I'm not sure if she was an actual character in the Silmarilion or any of Tolkien's other works, but she was a nice inclusion.

Very enjoyable movie, and if the quality continues to improve, as it did with this and Jackson's films in the LotR trilogy, I can't wait for the final movie.
106  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Homeworld HD Survey on: December 31, 2013, 06:04:40 PM
I missed the originals, but I was under the impression that Homeworld 2 was just a re-skinning of the original with better graphics. One of my gaming buddies in my BattleTech group was on the dev team for that and he told me it sold terribly. I guess there's some market for this, but wouldn't many of the potential buyers just be holding out for the next edition of other space RTS's that have released in the interim?
107  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Wtf. on: December 31, 2013, 05:47:27 PM
So much wrong about that article, don't even no where to begin. I go by which console is harder to come by in my area to determine who's leading. Having followed the trends closely in the past 2 previous gens, my city isn't much different than other NA cities other than Nintendo's consoles seem to be a bit more popular here. The trends in my city also haven't been much different than the EU for the past 2 gens. PS4's aren't available in any of my local stores, whereas I can walk into any big box retailer and pick up an XBox One.

So I'm saying the PS4 is leading the XBox One, no need to dive into a full blown diatribe full of inaccuracies and fluff.
108  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC/360/Ps3] Doom 3 remastered in BFG Edition on: December 31, 2013, 05:05:47 PM
Something that came up last year when we were discussing this was whether the BFG edition had online co-op like the original 360 edition. I did some posting in forums when Doom3 was being discounted in a Steam sale. I found out that there's a good fan co-op patch for the original Doom3 (Last man Standing) but it apparently isn't compatible with BFG. I never did buy either version, but I think if I do get one it'd be the original with the expansion.
109  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What Collector's Edition purchase do you regret most? on: December 31, 2013, 04:55:43 PM
As a rule, I don't buy them because so many are preorder and I like to read reviews and impressions before I buy. The only ones I've bought are some of the Halo and Legend of Zelda CE's and I didn't regret any of those. If it can be counted as a CE, I did buy the Metal Gear HD collection for 360 and it reminded me how much I really dislike some of the games in that series. I traded it in the same month I bought it.
110  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [xbox 360]Games with Gold on: December 30, 2013, 10:17:15 PM
Awesome, only played a bit of my friends Sleeping Dogs, so IN for that!
111  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Crowdsourced! Best video game novels / comics on: December 24, 2013, 12:34:51 AM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on December 24, 2013, 12:28:40 AM

I've never really found myself drawn to books based on games.  I think at least partly because I assume they are mediocre at best...

Actually that's really not the case - at least for Fantasy and SciFi novels. One of the main reasons being that with digital media being much more dominant now, the traditional publishers are less willing to risk the cost of publishing anything for that genre. Whereas for many of the game companies (video and tabletop) novels are in a sense "icing on the cake" for their existing settings and intellectual properties. The game companies have far less to lose and they attract many good writers who are aware of that.
112  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (12/23) on: December 24, 2013, 12:28:27 AM
Nothing. BTW, I wouldn't buy Halo Spartan Assault even if it was available for the 360.  Tongue
113  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie] The Raid 2: Berandal on: December 24, 2013, 12:14:02 AM

Quote from: Blackjack on November 07, 2013, 02:51:27 AM

I can't tell if any... well if the surviving characters from The Raid are in this, or if there's no story relationship between the two at all.

It seems moot to me, because Mad Dog got killed in the 1st and can't return in this. frown
114  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Crowdsourced! Best video game novels / comics on: December 24, 2013, 12:10:10 AM

Quote from: Teggy on December 21, 2013, 02:40:41 AM

I'd say the best one I've read is Ghosts of Ascalon, which is a Guild Wars 2 book.

+1 By far the best novel based on a video game that I've read to date. The next closest would be Dragon Age: The Calling followed by The Infernal City: An Elder Scrolls Novel.  I also liked the SW Republic Commando series too, but didn't find them quite the quality of those above 3.

Of course if I was allowed to include novels that a video game was based on, number one for sure would be the Witcher series on novels.
115  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Hobbit finds a director on: December 24, 2013, 12:03:34 AM

Quote from: metallicorphan on December 23, 2013, 06:45:51 PM

The Hobbit 2,beat Anchorman 2 and stayed(returned?) to number 1 over the weekend and is not doing too badly for 10 days release,but is behind The Hobbit 1 in domestic BO takings

Total Lifetime Grosses
Domestic:    $127,500,000      31.6%
+ Foreign:    $276,300,000      68.4%
= Worldwide:    $403,800,000   

In Release:    10 days / 1.4 weeks

The Hobbit 2
10-Day Total:

The Hobbit 1
10-Day Total:
Box Office Mojo

I expect it to fall a bit short of the billion+ that Hobbit 1 did. That said, it's still already done this globally: $403,850,695 !
Going to take the kids to it this Friday.  smile thumbsup
116  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Week 16 on: December 23, 2013, 11:55:23 PM
Wow, was I ever wrong about Trestman's Bears possibly giving the Eagles some competition. Man oh man, that was 1 heckuva shit kicking!  icon_eek
117  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Zelda Dynasty Warriors on: December 18, 2013, 05:20:18 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on December 18, 2013, 04:19:40 PM

BTW, if you think the Zelda series has dried up, you haven't played the newest 3DS version.
+++!  I've been playing it on lunch breaks with my buddies 3DS and it's one of the best Zelda's I've ever played.

As to Hyrule Warriors - I'd rather Tecmo Koei just finally make a DW game with a decent story and graphics.  I think they always had the basis for a good videogame in terms of setting,  but they never really went anywhere with it.
118  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Games you are looking forward to in 2014? on: December 17, 2013, 02:18:24 AM
The Witcher 3
Berlin DLC for Shadowrun Returns
Star Citizen

I'm actually really looking for an original game with genre-breaking gameplay, but I doubt anything in 2014 fits that bill.
119  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Film] Christopher Nolan - Interstellar on: December 17, 2013, 12:12:15 AM
Gotta love this from the Interstellar movie wiki:
In January 2013, Christopher Nolan entered negotiations with Paramount and Warner Bros. to direct Interstellar. Nolan intended to write a screenplay based on his own idea that he would merge with his brother's screenplay. By the following March, Nolan was confirmed to direct Interstellar, which would be produced under his label Syncopy and Lynda Obst Productions.Though Paramount and Warner Bros. are traditionally rival studios, Warner Bros., who released Nolan's Batman films and works with Nolan's Syncopy, sought a stake in Nolan's production of Interstellar for Paramount... In August 2013, sources reported that Legendary Pictures was in the process of finalizing an agreement with Warner Bros. to "finance 25 percent or more" of the film's production.

Wow, talk about someone (Nolan) writing their own ticket!  Very much looking forward to this and hope it lives up to all it's $ and promise.
120  Gaming / Analog Gaming / Re: Anyone play Great Fire of London or Suburbia? on: December 13, 2013, 07:07:34 PM
I finally got to play OGRE last year when one of our boardgaming society's member finally hauled his copy out of storage. I'd say it's stood up reasonably well, although I do think there's newer, comparable light tactical boardgame systems that are better and cheaper. There's also a number of tabletop miniature systems that have arrived in the decades since it's release, that IMO are as rules light yet much more expandable. I was of course playing one of the original Ogre sets, so I'm not aware of home much the new release has changed. One thing I've noted about the the new release when checking a few posts on the geek - you get a heckuva lot for that $100 and an owner of it would probably never feel they're missing some expansion or addon.
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