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7401  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 06, 2007, 02:41:28 AM
Without a doubt the 2nd period of this Sens - Devils game is the best period I'm seen in the playoffs yet. GO SENS GO!!!

Great work by Gomez to get his team back in it.
And Go Go Gomez is free agent next year...Gee Lou can we interest you in a swap for a Canuck player?
7402  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mass Effect: Revelation on: May 05, 2007, 09:49:57 PM

Quote from: ATB on May 05, 2007, 08:54:59 PM

Quote from: kronovan on May 05, 2007, 08:49:00 PM

BTW ATB, since gaming has become common place in pop culture, you're not a nerd anymore when you read game-based novels.

Denial is an ugly ugly thing, kronovan.

LOL Well...maybe I am a geek / nerd; just not willing to admit it.
BTW Since Karpyshyn was mentioned, has anyone read his Forgotten Realms based novel; Temple Hill. Readers that gave online reviews of it on Amazon and Chapters rave about it.
7403  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Books Read in 2007 (Keep It Updated) on: May 05, 2007, 09:21:15 PM
I finished Richard Morgan's' 2nd novel:

Like his 1st book -Altered Carbon- a fantastic read.

I then read these 2 books from the Dragon Below trilogy:

The Binding Stone
The Grieving Tree

I was very surprised at the quality of these considering they're based on the D&D Eberron world. Other than a few minor grammatical errors, I recommend these to any fantasy literature enthusiasts
NOTE: to Wizards of the Coast, you've got to polish up on you editing skills.
7404  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mass Effect: Revelation on: May 05, 2007, 08:49:00 PM

Quote from: Calvin on May 05, 2007, 06:27:22 PM

I have said this before but Drew Karpyshyn is one of the most underrated new sci-fi authors out there. Darth Bane is one of the best Star Wars novels in years, and as KMG said, he wrote KOTOR. I  will be buying this with zero shame very soon.

And he's...and he's...wait for it...a fellow CANADIAN!
OK....no doubt on this forum that went over as well as a bull in a china shop. smile

I recently read the 1st 2 novels in the D&D based Dragon Below trilogy. This is one of the 1st trilogy's based on the new Eberron world; same world featured in Dungeons and Dragons Online. I hadn't read any game based novels since the famous R.A. Salvatore D&D novels of the 80's. Let's just say I was very surprised by the quality of these books; very good reads.

BTW ATB, since gaming has become common place in pop culture, you're not a nerd anymore when you read game-based novels. Sorry to set back you're quest for nerd acknowledgement and affirmation.  Tongue
7405  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Got my DS Lite on: May 05, 2007, 08:01:45 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on May 05, 2007, 06:29:13 PM

What brightness setting did you have the DS Lite set to?

If you're referring to my last response, the DS I tested with doesn't have brightness settings; can just turn off the backlight. If however, you're referrring to the DS Lite I swapped with a coworker, I usually ran on 1 setting below the brightest. I found at that setting it was bright enough and battery life was good; in fact I sometimes moved it down a setting which put in on par with the DS. I should explain that I live in the Pacific NW and when I tested the DS Lite it was late Fall. What that means in my city is short days, long nights and overcast skies. Maybe that's what's different from my experience with the DS and Lite from other peoples.  The only time I've found my DS hard to view was in August when I was on business in Tampa FL and I tried to play it on my balcony.
7406  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: FlatOut: Ultimate Carnage [360] on: May 05, 2007, 05:43:41 PM

Quote from: disarm on February 03, 2007, 11:54:33 PM

hmm...should be interesting to see how it compares to the next Burnout game...

Well...with no manual transmission in Burnout, for me there's really no comparison between the 2. I've tried to get into Burnout 3, but without the ability to manually shift gears it's always left me dry. I'm not buying my 360 until the fall, so if this is released much sooner than that I might buy the PC version; if available.

Have they announced a release date for this yet?
[Edit] Nevermind I read the article and noticed the June 2007 release date.
7407  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 05, 2007, 05:26:49 PM

Quote from: ScubaV on May 04, 2007, 05:09:32 AM

Too bad for Canucks fans.

Well all isn't so woeful in Vancouver these days....most NHL fans probably don't know this, but Vancouver's WHL franchise -The Giants- have made it to the Calder Cup (WHL final) for the 2nd year in a row. And in keeping with the scoring pace set by the Canucks they won their 1st game of the series with a very Canuck-ish score: 1-0!  icon_lol
GO GIANTS GO!!!

Now back to NHL talk. With the Canucks eliminated I feel I need to give my notice for my transfer of allegiance. With the Senators the only Canadian team still in the playoffs, I hereby transfer all enthusiasm, cheers, high-5's and support behind them.
GO SENATORS GO!!!
7408  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Got my DS Lite on: May 05, 2007, 04:43:09 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on May 05, 2007, 05:39:03 AM

The original wide-style GBAs had absolutely horrible screen brightness since they had no backlight or anything.  The GBA SPs fixed that but I'm not sure it's better than the original DS, although I don't have them to compare. 

What I actually bought was the original GBA SP released in March 2003. I errantly  retard  listed GBA in my posts, I've now edited them to read correctly.

Just so we're all on the same page here's what I recall as the GBA and DS release history; not 100% sure about the Micro and vari-light GBA SPs dates.

Jan 2001 (no-backlight GBA) -> Mar 2003 (GBA SP w/backlight) -> Fall 2004 (GBA Micro) -> Nov 2004 (DS) -> Spring  2005 (vari-backlight GBA SP) -> May 2006 (DS Lite)

I turned my son's GBA SP and my DS on this morning for a side -by- side comparison and indeed the DS screen is slightly brighter. I then did a 2nd comparison between my daughters GBA Micro and my DS and the micro is brighter. The difference between the DS and the micro is more noticeable than the difference between the GBA SP and DS.
Either way, both the GBA SP and the DS are adequately bright for me. I can hold either at a comfortable distance and easily view the screens.
7409  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Got my DS Lite on: May 04, 2007, 11:36:26 PM

Quote from: Tals on May 04, 2007, 11:05:45 PM

Apologies but I need to see someone elses thoughts in respect of this. In terms of screen clarity my thoughts are:

ds<gba<ds lite

Regardless of model version

Tals

Sorry, but it's really a no brainer for me; there's no way, having been released almost 2 years after the original GBA SP, that the DS screen is or was inferior. If you want someone else to add their subjective opinion to your own, go for it. Unfortunately that still won't make you necessarily right. For my own subjective 2 cents, I've spent many hours gaming on my original GBA SP and my DS and I've found the DS screen easier to view. As far as I'm concerned that's good enough for me; I really don't need another forum member to agree with me on this.
7410  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: GC games on the Wii on: May 04, 2007, 08:48:44 PM

Quote from: biggercup on May 04, 2007, 08:32:59 PM

Did you see the price on the Gamecube games lately? I went to Gamestop recently and prices of some games were LOW~


Yup, I've noticed. I bought Batallion Wars at an EB store for $10; great game BTW. I've also noticed other titles selling for very cheep. Based on how well the Wii is selling and that it doesn't have much of a library of AA or AAA titles, I'm not sure if this is a wise move. I've also wondered if the price reduced games are new stock or old stock; i.e. are publishers redistributing GC games at low cost to cash in on strong Wii sales or are stores just clearing out old stock?
7411  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: GC games on the Wii on: May 04, 2007, 08:31:47 PM

Quote from: JCC on May 04, 2007, 08:06:54 PM

The Wii can't use the gameboy player and lacking a LAN adaptor couldn't do Phatasy Star Online.

Dang, I forgot about PSO. You're absolutely correct JCC, it's a no go on the Wii. I seem to recall reading, probably a post on the PSO-World forums, that even if you get the USB LAN adaptor for the Wii it still won't work. Something about how PSO interfaces with the Cube LAN adaptor for security purposes.

[Edit] You can however still play PSO in offline mplay with up to 4 players. Which in my experience, is a helluva lot of fun.
7412  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Got my DS Lite on: May 04, 2007, 08:01:55 PM

Quote from: Tals on May 04, 2007, 07:39:31 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on May 04, 2007, 07:36:37 PM

Quote from: kronovan on May 04, 2007, 07:31:51 PM

I do agree that the screen on the Lite is brighter -not as superior as many claim though-

Wah?  You sure you didn't accidentally have that Lite on one of the first two brightness settings?  On setting 3 or 4 it's literally like night and day compared to the original DS.  When I upgraded I remember noticing a lot of graphical details on Castlevania and Ouendan that I had never been able to see on the original DS.

Agreed, I take issue with the reference of screen comparison being not that different with DS and DS Lite - I actually felt the DS could damage my sons vision that was the sole reason for selling it. Maybe we had a dim one - but i've certainly seen nothing since that has changed my view that a DS screen is not bright enough.

Tals

p.s the screen on the GBA was better than our DS - so it was possibly the DS at fault, anyone else care to comment

As I stated in my original post, I bought my DS just after the release of the Lite. It's very possible that the DS I bought is not the same SKU as the original Nov. 2004 model. The only GBA SP screen I've seen that rivals the DS is the micro (very small however) and the GBA SPs that had the light adjustment; Pearl was one of these models. The GBA SP I own is the original spring 2003 SKU with no light adjustment.
7413  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: GC games on the Wii on: May 04, 2007, 07:46:14 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on May 04, 2007, 02:36:31 PM

Wind waker worked great...although i didnt have the chance to try the gameboy connection...

I didn't see this earlier, otherwise I would have included the quote and my response in my other post.
Anyhow...I can say that I've connected a GBA to the Wii for LOZ:WW and it works perfectly; Tingle is alive and well. My son has also uploaded Pokemons to Pokemon Coliseum from Ruby and Leaf Green via the GBA connectivity cable.

I've never experienced or heard of any BC issues with the Wii other than some people reporting slow downs with the GC re-release of LOZ: Majoras Mask. I seem to recall that this was also an issue on some Cubes.
7414  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Got my DS Lite on: May 04, 2007, 07:31:51 PM

Quote from: Tals on May 04, 2007, 06:01:26 AM

Quote from: kronovan on May 03, 2007, 08:31:11 PM

Quote from: Ridah on May 03, 2007, 07:12:00 PM

Quote from: Tals on May 03, 2007, 05:22:50 AM

I don't understand why Nintendo still sell the DS - I always grimace when i'm in the game store overhearing people tossing up between the lite and the original. There really is no competition but to th ecasual observer they seem to similar to be worth the extra.

They still sell the original DS because they are still stocked up at stores, I highly doubt they are still producing them. It was funny, back when I was managing a GameStop and EB Games, every store in the district was loaded with used traded in DS systems and the suckers would NOT sell. If I was GameStop/EB I wouldn't even take them back for trade-in anymore with the Lite out.

I have the original DS which I bought shortly after the release of the Lite. I would never trade it in for a Lite only because my hands are too large for the Lite; playing games on it is a cramped and uncomfortable experience. I realize I'm in the minority, but it's nice that some retailers still carry the original.

I didn't realise the size was that different, I assume you've tried a lite out? Certainly its a no brainer for me the screen on the ds is very poor - the lite almost feels like they turned the light on smile

Tals

I swapped my DS with one of my coworkers Lite's for 2 weeks. I found that after a while playing, my hands became sore as I had to bend my index fingers -which are quite long-  too much to operate the shoulder buttons.  Interesting enough the coworker I swapped with also has large hands and has since sold his Lite to a friend and bought an original DS.

I do agree that the screen on the Lite is brighter -not as superior as many claim though- and I like the arrangement of some of the buttons better. Either way the screen on both DS models is significantly better than my original GBA SP. If it's a choice between a brighter screen or playing in comfort, I'd choose the latter any day.
7415  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist 4.May.07 on: May 04, 2007, 06:43:33 PM
I actually have some time to play this weekend. smile
DBZ:BT2 on the Wii
Maybe a mission or 2 in James Bond: EoN
Going to quest up to a new level in DDO
Since Mechassault 2 and SF: Anniversary have become BC I've noticed that their mplay on Live has spiked, so I'll probably fire them up and check Live out.
Also going to fire up FF VI on the GB Player
7416  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: spider-man 3 reviews? on: May 04, 2007, 06:11:22 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on May 03, 2007, 04:08:40 PM

The Wii's main strength looks to be the controls scheme and a RPG like ability system

Damn...that's sweet!  icon_smile
7417  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: GC games on the Wii on: May 04, 2007, 05:55:56 PM

Quote from: Jag on May 04, 2007, 02:21:45 PM

I never played GC 2. Do the games play and look exactly the same on the Wii as the GC. I wouldn't want to buy some and lose functionality?

The games play exactly the same since they require the use of a GC controller. GC games that support 480p actually look better on the Wii. I'm one of the few that owns the original GC that supports component cables and 480p. I've done some comparisons and can say the difference in visual quality is subtle but noticeable. GC games that supported Dolby PLII are also slightly enhanced by the Wii's sound capabilities.

So in a nutshell based on my experiences and comparisons, GC games play better on the Wii.
7418  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 04, 2007, 07:49:08 AM

Quote from: CSL on May 04, 2007, 04:44:28 AM

Bah - bullshit hit right before that goal. Hansen got elbowed in the head - obvious penalty - but NOOOOOOOO.

I'm not so sure about the hit on Hansen being a penalty, but for sure Luongo was pushed into the net on the 1st goal by the Ducks. Just amazing that the goal was allowed.
7419  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Splinter Cell: Conviction on: May 04, 2007, 07:39:39 AM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on May 03, 2007, 04:11:22 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on May 03, 2007, 04:10:28 PM

I know I've told myself this 4 times before, but I am not going to get sucked in by the forum effect for this Splinter Cell only to have it do nothing but gather dust.  I swear, not this time!!  paranoid

It's make by the Montreal studio. 

Bwahahaha - you are already hooked!   nod

Not much of a hook for me, that same studio managed to produce that steaming pile of crap known as Far Cry Vengence for the Wii.
7420  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Thinking of selling my Wii on: May 04, 2007, 12:16:49 AM
There's a number of things that keep me happy with my Wii. My kids love it, I've really enjoyed the VC games I've purchased and I like the subtle visual and sound improvements to GC games. I've also had some of the more enjoyable gameplay I've experienced in quite some time with a few of the Wii games .

I can identify with the lack of quality games though, as a number of anticipated games have turned out to be dissapointments. I don't think we'll be waiting until the holiday season to get some AAA games as Nintendo has promised to deliver some by summers end. If VC games and replaying GC games doesn't float your ship, I can see where you'd want to sell it. Considering how there still appears to be a Wii shortage, I'd be tempted to go with an asking price that's higher than the current market price.
7421  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: Gamecube, GBA Player and Component Video Cable! UPDATED on: May 03, 2007, 10:36:28 PM
Based upon the rarity of it now, the GB Player is probably worth as much as a pre-owned cube; about $35 - 45 US.
I wouldn't sell a GC component cable for less than 1/2 of what it cost new; so $15 US.
Finding a buyer for these isn't so easy these days, so you'll just have to see. And of course I'd offer them for less to a fellow GT member smile
7422  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Can anyone recommend a good personal software firewall? on: May 03, 2007, 10:11:24 PM
I don't recommend running client-side firewalls. Unless your boss is concerned about laptop users that run disconnected from your LAN, get a server-based firewall. I've always found Checkpoint 1 to be a good server firewall. If you absolutely need to run client-side, then for sure ZoneAlarm is one of the better products.
7423  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OH NASTY! on: May 03, 2007, 10:03:35 PM
I don't know, if you could just get to the remains...sounds like there's a decent meal in there.  Tongue
7424  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Heatseeker Wii on: May 03, 2007, 09:57:41 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on May 03, 2007, 08:55:33 PM

Quote from: kronovan on May 03, 2007, 08:38:29 PM

Good review Bullwinkle. I'll likely be picking this up when it price drops or when I can get a pre-owned copy at a decent price. I haven't read any of the reviews yet, but could you quickly comment on whether it supports any multiplay?

There does not appear to be any multiplayer.

Damn that really bites! Might explain some of the low review scores. Is it just me or does this type of game just beg to have co-op multiplay.
7425  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Heatseeker Wii on: May 03, 2007, 08:38:29 PM
Good review Bullwinkle. I'll likely be picking this up when it price drops or when I can get a pre-owned copy at a decent price. I haven't read any of the reviews yet, but could you quickly comment on whether it supports any multiplay?
7426  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Got my DS Lite on: May 03, 2007, 08:31:11 PM

Quote from: Ridah on May 03, 2007, 07:12:00 PM

Quote from: Tals on May 03, 2007, 05:22:50 AM

I don't understand why Nintendo still sell the DS - I always grimace when i'm in the game store overhearing people tossing up between the lite and the original. There really is no competition but to th ecasual observer they seem to similar to be worth the extra.

They still sell the original DS because they are still stocked up at stores, I highly doubt they are still producing them. It was funny, back when I was managing a GameStop and EB Games, every store in the district was loaded with used traded in DS systems and the suckers would NOT sell. If I was GameStop/EB I wouldn't even take them back for trade-in anymore with the Lite out.

I have the original DS which I bought shortly after the release of the Lite. I would never trade it in for a Lite only because my hands are too large for the Lite; playing games on it is a cramped and uncomfortable experience. I realize I'm in the minority, but it's nice that some retailers still carry the original.
7427  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Got my DS Lite on: May 03, 2007, 03:31:35 PM
The EB game exclusion list is massive right now for deals like this. If they'll give you a Lite for just 6 games, rest assured they'll be relatively current and valuable games. I've tried to take EB up on some of it's offers recently, but everytime I've only had 1 or at most 2 games that qualified.
7428  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: [CDN] MGM James Bond Titles on Sale at Futureshop Stores on: May 02, 2007, 10:55:50 PM

Quote from: CSL on April 30, 2007, 05:09:11 AM

Those are regular prices at Wal-Mart however.  Tongue

Hmm...good to know. I've gotten out of the habit of checking Walmart because of the limited selection at the stores near me. The bond titles I listed above were previously selling for 12.99 at Futureshop.
7429  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: Gamecube, GBA Player and Component Video Cable! on: May 02, 2007, 10:50:14 PM

Quote from: Hrothgar on May 02, 2007, 05:00:55 PM

I'd be interested in the Gameboy player if you're willing to sell it separately.  I haven't noticed much of a Gamecube market.  You might be better off just putting the cables on ebay and using a trade in deal at EB or somewhere on the cube.

I agree with this. Due to the 100% backward compatibility between the Wii and GC games there isn't much of a 2nd hand market for cubes. The GB Player however should fetch a decent price since Nintendo no longer sells them; same is true for the Cube component cable.
I'm personally holding on to my Cube and GB Player since many GBA games won't ever be released on VC; i.e. Square-Enix titles.
7430  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Best Soccer\Football game on: May 02, 2007, 10:31:33 PM
I recently play tested Winning 11 2007 for PS2, Winning 11 v9 for XBox and FIFA 07 for XBox and eventually purchased Winning 11 v9. Out of all I tested I thought Winning 11 2007 for the PS2 was the best game, but the Winning 11 v9 was much cheaper and not much behind it in quality. I'm not sure about the UEFA game, but if it's an EA game based on the FIFA engine it wouldn't be my choice.

My advise is to rent them like I did and then make your decision. BTW I posted the results of my tests in this forum in an earlier post.
7431  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Moving woes (threatening letter & Comcast screwing me tale inside) on: May 02, 2007, 04:34:05 PM
The fault of this unfortunately lies with the apartment manager. If there's tenants like this then the manager needs to post a sign stating that clothing left in dryers beyond 30 or 45 minutes will be removed by co-tenants; I've lived in apartments where such signs exist.

In regards to the letter, what's stated in it actually constitutes a form of  assault; at least it does in Canada. If I was in your shoes I'd show this letter to the Manager and make the suggestion that a sign be posted in the laundry room similar to what I stated above; make sure he identifies himself as the author. If the tenant verbally or physically bothered me I wouldn't hesitate to call the police. BTW Hang on to that letter.
7432  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [Movie] Hollywood trying to make The Brazilian Job on: May 02, 2007, 04:18:59 PM
I saw this article over at IGN.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/785/785006p1.html

I wasn't even aware that they were planning a sequel to The Italian Job. This has got me pumped as I really liked the remake and a Brazilian setting sound very intriguing.

Apparently getting started on the film is being bogged down by a poor script.  Much to my amazement they currently have David Twohy who wrote the script for Pitch Black creating it. WTF! why they wouldn't use the same writer who penned the Italian Job remake? I thought that the remake was very well written.
7433  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: DVD's For Sale on: May 02, 2007, 06:28:35 AM
Bummer and double bummer about Casino Royale and Blood Diamond having already been sold.  icon_frown
7434  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Vista Compatible Soundcard Recommendation on: May 02, 2007, 06:22:24 AM

Quote from: Brendan on May 02, 2007, 12:36:49 AM

Quote from: kronovan on May 01, 2007, 11:39:43 PM

I'm a bit confused here. Does this mean Vista won't, or will, work with my SB Audigy 2 Value soundcard?

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/buyorupgrade/upgradeadvisor.mspx will let you know if you run it on the machine w/ the soundcard installed.

I checked the Creative Labs site and there is indeed a Vista driver for the Audigy 2 Value; the entire Audigy series for that matter.  thumbsup  It'll be a little while yet before I install, but based upon how simple it was to do a dual-boot install on my WinXP laptop; it won't be long.
7435  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: NWN-2 Lost cd-key. on: May 02, 2007, 06:08:29 AM
I'd recommend monitoring Amazon if you're looking to buy a new copy. I bought my copy at Amazon.ca about 3 months ago for $15. I previously saw it go on sale for $19 for 1 day only at Amazon.com as well.
7436  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS2] Tomb Raider Anniversary screens on: May 02, 2007, 05:58:17 AM
I did some research and found out that TR Legends for PC ran fine in widescreen. It did only support 16:9, but that would work for me since my PC outputs to my HDTV. Since the TR Anniversary is rumored to use the same graphics engine it should run in widescreen as well.

I'm going to wait for the 1st reviews to come in and then decide on which version based upon whether there's a significant difference in graphics quality.
7437  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 02, 2007, 05:30:02 AM
Ouch! that hurts. Canucks had it in the bag but it got away.
7438  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 02, 2007, 05:12:59 AM

Quote from: CSL on May 02, 2007, 05:09:42 AM

Quote from: kronovan on May 02, 2007, 05:08:39 AM

Here we go to overtime...yet again!  Roll Eyes

We won overtime last time.  Tongue

God let's just hope they can do it again.
BTW great win by the Moose tonight...I think the Canucks could use some of Tremblay's play in this game.
7439  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 02, 2007, 05:08:39 AM
Here we go to overtime...yet again!  Roll Eyes
Well...at least they weathered the penalty.
7440  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NHL Playoff Talk on: May 02, 2007, 05:03:10 AM
Oh double crap...Canucks penalty with just minutes left!  crybaby
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