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8881  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / GT4 Impressions on: February 23, 2005, 05:19:17 PM
Quote from: "AgtFox"
Quote from: "Devil"
How are you not turning that little table you have for your wheel upside down when you're playing?

Gotta be those thick books on top of it slywink

LOL... yeah, the girlfriend's law school books are good for something slywink.

Also, being a bit of an amateur road racer, I've learned that the gentler I am on the steering wheel, the faster I go.  Of course, I haven't run the rally stuff yet... so who knows what'll happen then.

Some further impressions:

Graphics:  Still pretty blown away that this is coming form a PS2, and it's way better than I expected.  That being said, it's still very dark and I wish it was more vibrant.  Also some textures shimmer a bit, but not horribly so.

Sound:  Very good, I think.  Seemingly accurate, though the music is pretty much garbage (as most music is these days).  I do think that NFSU2 had better sounds, but they weren't exactly going for accuracy, so I think they took some creative license.

Physics:  Improved from GT3, and still the best I've played on a Console.  It's no NASCAR series from Papyrus, Richard Burns Rally, or even F1C, but it's still very good.  I haven't tried the Forza demo, but the general consensus on that from people I've talked to is that it's just as good as GT, but different.  Can't wait to see.

Gameplay:  Nothing groundbreaking, but still good stuff.  Lots of fun.  If you didn't like it before though, I'd stay away.  The AI seems to be *slightly* better this time around.  They definitely go for passes.  It's still very robotic and not very lifelike, but for whatever reason I've been able to forgive that (mostly because I'm used to it).

All in all... it's very much Gran Turismo.  If you weren't a fan of the series before, this isn't going to change your mind.  For those of us who are though, this is a great sequel.  Everything improved, polished to a T, and presented in 1080i.

If Forza's this good... it may pull me away.  However since the XBox has a complete lack of any good wheels for it, and GT4 is running in 1080i, Forza's going to have to do a pretty nifty little dance in order for it to take my time.

8882  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / GT4 Impressions on: February 23, 2005, 05:45:48 AM
Quote from: "naednek"
can't wait for Forza smile

That's cause you don't have a PS2 slywink

Today is an excellent day biggrin

8883  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / GT4 question on: February 23, 2005, 01:56:20 AM
Quote from: "Fuzzballx"
Forza is actually my major problem with investing 150 bucks in this wheel.  It won't work on the xbox.

I'm much more interested in Forza than GT4 (GT4 been a tough choice for me but i'll probably get it as a holdover).  I was leaning towards trying the madcatz wheel because of its ability to work on the xbox and ps2....but i dunno, it could end up being a piece of crap and then i wouldn't be happy at all=(

anyone ever tried the madcatz MC2 universal racing wheel setup?

The Mad Catz wheel is godawful.  Seriously bad.  I prefer the XBox controller.

I have the Logitech DFP.  I love it.  It also works on the PC (though w/ no Force Feedback), so that offsets the cost some.

Waiting for 6:30PST to go get my copy of GT4.

8884  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Gran Turismo 4 Review on: February 07, 2005, 11:21:00 PM
Holy shit.

Well, the rumor is true, GT4 will run at HDTV 1080i resolutions with a notable improvement in image quality. For once, the high resolution, anti-aliased images produced by Sony’s development PS2 systems is close to what the end user can really achieve. Thus, we’ve gone with the USB 1280x960 images from the photo mode for our screenshots. Some of these shots look stunning, and your first question will be to ask if the game really looks like that in real-time.

No fucking way can it run 1080i, can it?  If so... OMGHI2U.

8885  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / TimeWarner Increases Speed! on: January 26, 2005, 11:45:34 PM
Quote from: "Eco-Logic"
Quote from: "AgtFox"
Quote from: "Eco-Logic"
Do you people not download a lot?  I download around 10 gigs a week at least and I would love to have 5mb down.

That's a lot of porn buddy slywink

LOL.  No porn here.  I'm getting married in April, no need for it.  Plus, it's degrading to women and wrong (but thats a topic for another day).

Mainly TV Shows and movies though.

You'll need it come June, that's for sure. slywink

8886  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Will Brand Loyalty Carry you into NextGen? on: January 21, 2005, 07:56:19 PM
I'll get all 3.  I just cannot stand being limited and saying "I can't play X game because I don't have X console."  Their launch prices will dictate when I buy them though.

8887  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Fantastic Four Trailer on: January 19, 2005, 10:41:11 PM
Quote from: "GuidoTKP"
Quote from: "Laner"
Quote from: "corruptrelic"
Jessica Alba.. drool  

That looks to be about the only reason to go see it so far.  And we know how much that did for Elektra.

Dude, Jessica Alba is orders of magnitude hotter than Jennifer Garner.

Word.  For her alone I'll see this.  I was the only white/azn dude in the theater during the opening weekend of Honey, so I'm sure this won't bet that bad.

8888  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Forza Motorsports car list on: January 19, 2005, 07:32:04 PM
They have my actual car too... but I don't think I'll be driving it much in game when the 22B, Spec-C and the Cusco versions are right there.

A plane jane WRX STi just doesn't cut it slywink

8889  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Forza Motorsports car list on: January 19, 2005, 07:17:07 AM
Cars I regularly dream about  that are included in this game:

2003 BMW #43 BMW Motorsport M3-GTR

2005 Chevrolet Corvette C6

2004 Ferrari Challenge Stradale

2005 Ford GT

Just about any version of the R34 Skyline GTR

1998 Subaru Impreza 22B STi

And of course, the various Porsche's topped by this little beauty, the Carrera GT

The real question is, will GT4 come out before this and have me enthralled enough to ignore Forza when it first comes out?  Time will tell.  I'm excited though smile

8890  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / ***EA Signs exclusive deal with ESPN*** :'[ on: January 18, 2005, 10:05:52 PM
Quote from: "Hrothgar"
Quote from: "gellar"
Quote from: "Dimmona"
Quote from: "gellar"

EA has just proven that it's about... oh, say 1000000000000x smarter than Sega.

Its not 1000000000000x than Sega, it's 1000000000000x richer.

You mean to tell me Sega couldn't coerce ESPN to sign an exclusive deal prior to this?  Or that the deal was for just 2 years?  Either way, it was dumb.  Thinking the trademark was safe when EA is right there with teh big wallet is horrendously stupid.


I'd imagine the deal was longer than two years.  However, it's standard in those types of contracts that both sides have opt-out clauses at various points in the term of the contract.  The article makes it sound like ESPN exercised their opt-out after EA's exclusive NFL deal.  I don't think there's any indication of stupidity on Take 2/Sega's part.  They (logically?) assumed that EA couldn't justify spending $300-500 million to get the exclusive license.  Whoops.

I just don't like how they hitched their name to and built on a brand that they didn't have locked up.  All of the price cuts, all of the name recognition that they gained this year are gone for not because ESPN bailed on them.  It was just a poor business strategy.

8891  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Why do games look like crap on my new TV? on: January 18, 2005, 01:17:45 AM
Well, if you're coming from a smallish TV to a 44" TV, the XBox games will inherently look worse.  480p is technically not a Hi Def standard, nor does it that good when blown up big.  It looks better than 480i when blown up big, but it's still fairly pixelated.  The smaller TVs hide that better because the pixels are smaller.  720p and 1080i are huge steps up, but very few XBox games support those resolutions.

8892  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / ***EA Signs exclusive deal with ESPN*** :'[ on: January 18, 2005, 12:27:19 AM
Quote from: "Jumangi"
Don't know if its stupid. Does Sega have a reason to continue with ESPN after EA got the NFL. A pro football game with ESPN in the title but with everything else made up doesn't make much sense to me from a marketing standpoint. And with EA maybe going after the NBA and such again the ESPN licsense doesn't have much meaning for them if they loose all of the official deals with the major leagues.

My reading of that article is that now EA owns the right for ESPN EVERYTHING, which is what baffles me about the move.  I agree with you that if it was just football, Sega could've easily let it drop.  But with the other sports... it's just insanely stupid.

8893  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / ***EA Signs exclusive deal with ESPN*** :'[ on: January 17, 2005, 11:40:47 PM
Quote from: "Dimmona"
Quote from: "gellar"

EA has just proven that it's about... oh, say 1000000000000x smarter than Sega.

Its not 1000000000000x than Sega, it's 1000000000000x richer.

You mean to tell me Sega couldn't coerce ESPN to sign an exclusive deal prior to this?  Or that the deal was for just 2 years?  Either way, it was dumb.  Thinking the trademark was safe when EA is right there with teh big wallet is horrendously stupid.

8894  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / ***EA Signs exclusive deal with ESPN*** :'[ on: January 17, 2005, 10:13:31 PM
Thanks to my #gg homie Chris Grenard for this little image:

8895  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Looking to get new speakers...looking at Spiffy Bose set on: January 17, 2005, 09:54:02 PM
Quote from: "Octavious230"
Hmm how to get Zaxxon to read this thread.... Ahhh I know !!!! Time for a title change!!  :twisted:

I'd suggest posting on OO instead, he frequents there much more than here.

8896  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / ***EA Signs exclusive deal with ESPN*** :'[ on: January 17, 2005, 09:42:17 PM
Holy sweet jesus.

Sega didn't have a long term deal with ESPN?  Their sole and only brand?  MORONS.

EA has just proven that it's about... oh, say 1000000000000x smarter than Sega.

8897  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / GOAT of the Year Voting: PC edition on: January 09, 2005, 07:58:08 PM
Quote from: "Big Jake"
While I convinced myself I wasn't going to argue. this anymore, I want to respond to a couple specific things from Gellar.

"Welcome to the future"
Have I ever mentioned how much I hate people that say, well, your losing your privacy anyway, so you shouldn't fight it?  If Big Brother was to actually happen, I would damn well have to be "re-educated".  I will not go along willingly.   People who accept evil or wrong things being perpetrated are less than human, IMO.  You have a DUTY to stand up and say, 'this isn't right.'.

But again really, I don't care.  If a Company wants me to do X to get their product, I have the option of purchasing it, and I have the option of not.  They aren't "forcing" me to do anything.  I wanted Half Life 2, I didn't mind whatever hoops Valve made me jump through to get it, so I bought it.  Now if they asked me to tame a lion or wear a pink skirt, I may have changed my mind.  You've made your choice too, which is also a perfectly valid one.  What I don't understand is your need to complain about it repeatedly.  It's fair, you don't like it.  This isn't evil, it's business.  NO ONE is forcing you to do anything.  You aren't losing your privacy, you are WILLINGLY letting Valve have whatever data they have said they will glean from your system (which ain't a whole hell of a lot).  No one is "taking" anything because they are "evil."  I have a duty to do whatever the hell I want, not sit around in a tin foil hat all day.

"What the fuck do I have to hide"
You know what the first argument every nutjob evil facist dictator uses?  "If you're innocent, then you have nothing to fear from invasion of your privacy".  THAT IS PURE FUCKING BULLSHIT!  What you may or may not have to hide is completely inconsequential.  The fact is, why should I have to  defend my personal rights from an arrangement that would exist only to benefit a certain person/select group of people?

This has nothing to do with government or dictators.  It has to do WITH A GAME ON MY PC.  I defend my privacy rights when it actually matters.  I don't get bent out of shape about a game, on my PC, which really has nothing I could give two shits about on it.  This is not the start of a grand scheme wherein big brother tracks everything I do.  It's a delivery mechanism for games.  That is all.  Best as I can tell, the government has nothing to do with Valve.

(Please note -  I am not arguing Steam anymore.  I'm only addressing the thoughts processes I can discern behind Gellar's post.)

You actually haven't addressed any points from my post other than making conjecture about how I am willingly going to bend over and let my rights get taken away from me.  I'm not.  Valve has taken no rights from me.

OH, and what's Blizzard's next game?  I want to take you up on that bet that they will come up with a Steam-like client.  Care to attach some stakes to that bet?

Well in theory, Blizzard's last game already did that.  But since it was an MMORPG, I won't argue that point.  It'll be a sequel to Starcraft, I'd venture to bet.  And I will put stakes to it if you wish.  Your call.

8898  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / GOAT of the Year Voting: PC edition on: January 09, 2005, 02:39:27 AM
Quote from: "Big Jake"
And it's been clear since day 1 that there are a lot of gamers who think that because they make games, Valve isn't a 'corporate entity' (aka, malicious group of people who will willingly kill you if it makes them money (see references under Ford CO.))

I wonder if gamers also believe that all candy companies are run by an oddly funny guy in a top hat who has lots of short musical dwarves doing his bidding.
Process for Doom3:
Start playing.

Process for Hl2 (retail release):
Start playing

I had no need to 'activate' Doom3 once it was installed, so no, HL2 wasn't 'as playable as Doom3 out of the box'.  Denying reality does not make it so, LE.

You know, as much as I hate joining the same side of the argument that LE is on, I gotta say, this is one of the more misguided/inane posts I've read.

By your logic, a game with 5 cds is less playable out of the box than a game with 4 cds.  More steps /= less playable.

Quote from: "Big Jake"
(Point 1) I've qualified this MANY times before:  no other game companies felt it necessary to do this, so clearly Steam isn't necessary  in order to make a game.  Therefore, for reasons unknown to me, they are trying to force non-game software on me.  And as I've said before, I will always refuse something someone tries to force on me.  If it was good for me (ie Polio Vaccine), then they wouldn't need to force it with insults (Ie, your tinhat picture that you had displayed in other threads the first several times we had this argument.)

(Point 2) Why do you implitly trust them?  Do you work there? Do you know these guys personally?  I assume it's malicious. You assume it's not malicious.  In absence of proof, why is your point more valid than mine?

Valve was the first company with the balls to do it.  Guess what though... I can guarantee the next major releases by the companies who know their product will sell (HELLO BLIZZARD!) will run something similar to Steam.  Valve started a process that will trickle through the rest of the industry.  It may take a year, but it's a coming.  Half Life 2 was successful, Steam was successful.  Welcome to the future.

And it's not that any of us implicitly trust them so to speak.  It's more of a) what the fuck are they going to do with my information that will make it worth the negative press if they get caught and b) what the fuck do I have to hide?

8899  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Where is OO? on: January 03, 2005, 11:20:25 PM
Quote from: "ChrisGwinn"
verbose just means you get the area description every time you enter it.

Maximum verbosity.
8900  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Random Fighting Discussion on: January 02, 2005, 03:32:10 AM
Superhiro and Siljanus:

8901  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / ESPN College Hoops 2k5 - Impressions on: December 31, 2004, 06:35:00 PM
For the life of me I cannot figure out why Sega spends the time to make a very good game, but then absolutely ignores quality control.  I think the only Sega Sports game I've played in recent memory that didn't have very noticeable bugs was the most recent ESPN Baseball.

This game is awesome and does so many things right, but nothing aggrivates me more than the random lockup while simming off days.  It can wipe out a whole game's worth of progress and honestly makes me just want to stop playing.

I know it's just $20, but can't I have less bugs?  Please?

8902  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Random Fighting Discussion on: December 28, 2004, 10:55:10 PM
This may well be the worst thread I've ever read in the history if the internet.

That's some good work boys.

8903  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Where is OO? on: December 28, 2004, 09:47:34 PM
Quote from: "warning"
Please note that we have 9740 posts in our console gaming section right now compared to 6054 in our PC gaming section and 2905 in our Massive Multiplayer section.  It becomes inaccurate to characterize us as console boards anymore.

By that same token, OO has 11,804 posts in its PC Gaming sections, which is why I think more PC gamers hang out there.  More quantity of discussion.

8904  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Where is OO? on: December 28, 2004, 09:23:25 PM
Quote from: "Lee"
I post over there more because I am not a console gamer and the Off Topic is a bit more active on OO, but I visit both. The double posts do get old though. I wish the community would have moved as a whole instead of splitting.

I'd say 90% of my posts are on OO.  Their R&P and EBG section has some very interesting folk and there is a lot of content.  I'm also primarily a PC gamer, so those forums make the most sense for me.  I do stop in over here to visit the gaming sections, but I've found that most of the posts are just duplicated and thus spend more time at OO.

That and there are some folk that are welcome here (and not there) that honestly... drive me to a murderous rage.  It's best I just avoid them altogether smile

8905  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / X-Box as an HDTV DVD player on: December 22, 2004, 08:05:25 PM
Quote from: "Jancelot"
Update:  I got the Phillips DVD player above and am not entirely happy with the picture quality.  After doing some research on the AVS forums (which I should've done in the first place, but I was just excited to get everything in) it appears it's great for what it does best and that's playing DivX and burned discs.  The price was great on it though so I'll eventually just move it to my upstairs SDTV and get a higher-end upscaling player for my HD set.

Another note for gellar, I was reading on the AVS forums that people are having problems with image ghosting on this set, specifically using the HDMI jack.  I'm ordering satellite HD soon and really hope that it won't be noticable for me.  Have you had any issues with it?

I read about those issues too, and honestly I haven't come across them.  I don't know why, but apparently the "newer" sets don't have the issue.  Strange as that is, I guess I'll just consider myself lucky smile

8906  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / What did you do this past weekend? 56K Warning on: December 20, 2004, 11:08:13 PM
Lucky bastard.  Which mountain?

8907  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / ESPN NHL 2K5 Season confirmations! on: December 16, 2004, 10:53:09 PM
You know... I'd actually play this if you guys could make it West Coast (PST) friendly.

If you think that's possible, I call the Kings.

8908  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / EA actively seeking to corner the entire sports gaming marke on: December 16, 2004, 10:50:13 PM
Quote from: "jpinard"
gellar I have Madden too, but I still have a frame of reference I'm goign by and that's Sierra's Front Page Sports Football.  Now bugs aside and the last one they had to recall, that game had the best simming engine around.  I just don't understand why a game 10 years old could simulate stats better than Madden?  Or maybe, why the developer's don't care enough to have realistic simming.  They go the extra mile to put in features no one asked for (create-a-fan, player cards), yet neglect the most basic fundamental of football.  Errr like Earth-bound physics...  Or a running game that isn't utterly broken.  They improved the defense this year by making the defensive players cheat.  I mean, it's like put your resources where it counts...  make the game itself great, then once you have that down, then add all the extra fluff.

If your reference point is FPF, you'd absolutely HATE any extended period of time with ESPN.  ESPN's franchise mode is horribly borked.  I could go further on it, but suffice it to say... ESPN is a fairly good "single game" simulator, but not a whole lot further.  That's the main reason I went with Madden this year.  They spent time to hone in on a great franchise engine, but with only a "good" on the field engine, and absolutely shitty graphics model.

Also, Madden's running game isn't broken, you're just not good at it.  I'm better at running in Madden than I am in ESPN smile.

8909  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / EA actively seeking to corner the entire sports gaming marke on: December 16, 2004, 10:35:05 PM
Quote from: "jpinard"
Well I guess its too bad gaming is all about marketing, and not at all about the actual fricking game huh?

Geez, and to think, I purchased games based on cumulative review scores, and not the marketing.

You do?

Cumulative Review Scores for ESPN for PS2 (most common gaming system:  89%

Cumulative Review Scores for Madden on PS2: 90%

You buy games based on what YOU like about the game, same as the rest of us.  Scores be damned, you buy the game because you like it, or because people tell you you should like it (marketing).  Marketing is why great games (IL2, for example) get the shaft, and why mediocre/good games (Sims 2, Doom 3, nearly every Star Wars game ever made) sell like hotcakes.  Sure sometimes we get a nice combination of both (Blizzard, Half Life 2), but let's be real here.  This isn't "Shiney Happy World (tm)" where everything is right and all is just.  Things happen because they can.  Why does Company X charge X amount for shitty product X?  Because you will buy it and because they can.  That's capitalism.  If you don't like it, don't buy it.  Call the rest of us who do morons if it makes you feel better, but it's not changing anything.

Finally, as a guy who actually LIKES Madden football, I get the shaft on this just as much as you do.  Madden 2005 was the first time in years that Madden actually improved a good deal of their game, and I gotta believe that was due to the inferior (IMHO) ESPN offerings.  Hopefully they'll continue to do the same, but they certainly have less motivation to do so now.

8910  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / EA actively seeking to corner the entire sports gaming marke on: December 16, 2004, 09:04:52 PM
Quote from: "jpinard"
Facts are facts:

Papyrus made a better game Nascar game, but had less money.  EA has more money.  So we get a crappier product because EA is wealthy.

Sega/ESPN made a better football game than EA.  EA has more money, so we will be stuck with a crappier football game.

Sega/ESPN makes a HUGELY superior game of hockety to EA.  EA is trying to buy that license as we speak.  if they do, we will be stuck with a horrendous veriosn of hockey because once again EA has more money.

See this is a case of talented people losing their jobs, and us discerning gamers losing a better product.  This is anti-competitive tactics and is supposed to be illegal.

So, the more talented/better  programmers lose their jobs, and you think that's fair?  That "that's the American way?"  Well I don't agree.

I'm sorry about calling you an a-hole, but I get tired of people saying, "Who cares?"  "It doesn't matter!" "Get a Life!"  :wink:

I just see this as having very negative consequences down the road for us gamers, and it disturbs me people can't see that trend.  It goes beyond sports gaming...

When you have better development studios, making a BETTER game, and MAKING money - and they get forced OUT of the industry - there's something wrong.

Most of your "facts" above are opinions.  Some I agree with, some I don't, but they're still just "opinions".  Facts are things like these:

EA sells more than Sega.

EA makes more than Sega.

EA could afford to do this, while Sega couldn't.

It's a case of one, well managed and well marketed company utterly destroying a less well managed and a piss poor marketed company.  The very competition you are crying about has happened here, and one company has won.  It's just not the company you wanted, nor has that company won in the manner you wanted.  But it still won.  It was, without a shadow of a doubt, the better overall company.  That is fact.

8911  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Webcam? on: December 15, 2004, 07:28:40 PM
Quote from: "Daehawk"
Quote from: "EngineNo9"
Quote from: "Daehawk"
I like that Logitech one that runs about $80. I want that one. Its really clear and fast and comes with a shade to pull down over the lens so those people that hack into cams cant see when ya dont want them to.

Or you could just turn it off...  :roll:

Thats what I mean by hacking into it. They turn on webcams that you supposedly have off and see whats going on in your room...hence thenew cams coming with a blinder.

Call me crazy, but why not just UNPLUG THE WEBCAM??!?!?

8912  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / #gonegold and problems on: December 14, 2004, 11:52:09 PM
Quote from: "warning"
Thanks for the heads up.  I'm still in the stone age using chisels and marvelling at fire but I'm sure there are some here who frequent #gonegold.

If you marvel at fire, you'd fit in just fine at #gg!

8913  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / How old are you? on: December 14, 2004, 06:43:25 PM
Quote from: "SuperHiro"

I know that's a big surprise given my mature, thoughtful posting style.

I'm with stupid.

8914  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / ESPN Football - no more?!?!? on: December 14, 2004, 05:33:20 PM
Quote from: "jonsauce"
EA also had this done to them with the Formula 1 license. EA actually made a great F1 PC game, but some console publisher forked over the bucks for the license, and the EA F1 series was no more.

That also sucked.  I was a big fan of their Formula 1 games.  I didn't realize that they quit making them because of the liscence being lost.  That sucks too.

I don't care what company it is that loses the liscence, if they were making good games, or even the best on the market, it sucks for the gamers.

Yep I was a huge fan of both games.  Especially the Papyrus once, since I was actually good at those.

The good news regarding the EA F1 engine is that it's been licensed by a company to make a GTR game, which looks awesome.  Also, if you still have F1C, there are a lot of mods to bring that game current to the 2004 season.  Those are done pretty well.

Anyway, enough off topic stuff.  Fanboys can commence the EA bashing smile

8915  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / ESPN Football - no more?!?!? on: December 14, 2004, 05:16:11 PM
Quote from: "Devil"
Next question for me is will EA start charging $75-$100 for the game?  They could probably do it and I wouldn't be shocked.

Nah probably not, unless they manage to snatch up the licenses for the rest of their signature sports games.  It'd be hard to justify to the public that NFL costs $75, while NBA costs $40 or $50.  EA makes quite a lot of money at the $50 price point, there's no need to risk the negative PR of their fanbase by raising the price.

Now if they get all the other licenses... all bets are off.

8916  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / ESPN Football - no more?!?!? on: December 14, 2004, 05:13:58 PM
Quote from: "AgtFox"
Let's play a little role reversal here.  Supposedly the NFL and NFLPA put out the request for bids and 5 companies bid on the exclusivity.  You can guess the companies:

Sega/Take Two

Would you guys be reacting the same way if one of the other 4 got the exclusive deal and not EA?  I have a feeling you wouldn't, but I could be wrong.  Most of you would probably be glad if Sega/Take Two got it, but what about the others?

Excellent point.  This is more the NFL's doing than anyone elses.  Regardless of who won the license, it's a bad thing for gamer's in general.  EA just had the deeper pockets this time.

Quote from: "jonsauce"
They already ran Papyrus out of their NASCAR series frown  Those were my favorite racing simulations but when EA bought up the NASCAR liscence Papyrus had to quit making them.

EA also had this done to them with the Formula 1 license.  EA actually made a great F1 PC game, but some console publisher forked over the bucks for the license, and the EA F1 series was no more.

8917  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / ESPN Football - no more?!?!? on: December 14, 2004, 01:38:51 AM
Quote from: "Devil"
Except you'll be playing in fictional stadiums for fictional teams. Further little bits of chrome such as the halftime show and the crib are down the toilet.

Not if it goes like I think it could. Sega's game will now allow for "user made" rosters and MS/Sony would need to allow them to be used online. Seems like a way to get around this.

It's EXACTLY what happens in most college sports games where fan sites create 'real' downloadable rosters. The only issue was that you couldn't use them online. MS/Sony might be more willing to let this happen now that they lost the bidding...

Either that or Sega takes the engine and asks the NCAA if they can play there.

Either option = not enough sales, IMHO.  Sega ain't in good shape right now.

8918  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / ESPN Football - no more?!?!? on: December 14, 2004, 12:30:30 AM
Wow... brilliant move by EA.  Absolutely pwn the competition in a way they can't pwn you: with money.

I gotta say I'm impressed, whoever's running the ship at EA nowadays knows what they're doing.

8919  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Irony, thy name is Kobe Bryant on: December 13, 2004, 08:21:56 PM
Mark my words... in a few years (hell, maybe now), Kobe will have the same rep as Barry Bonds.  Good player, absolute dickhead.

8920  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / HDTV - my new passion on: December 08, 2004, 05:36:04 PM
Quote from: "croman"
As for sports, my favorite by far is Sunday Night Football on ESPN. I personally feel like the HD ESPN broadcast is the best one out there.

I used to think the same thing... but currently CBS HD Football broadcasts have won my heart over.  The colors just look better.

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