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8321  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: How about some GT Madden 07 impressions! on: August 23, 2006, 05:59:39 AM
Ok... so thoughts thus far.

1)  It's not as good as I was hoping it would be.
2)  It's not as bad as many of you were expecting it to be.

What it does well:
* Graphics are phenominal.  Better than NCAA by a few steps.
* Gameplay is a step better than NCAA.  If you don't like Madden/NCAA style gameplay though, this game will do nothing to change your mind.
* "Mario" running is pretty much gone.
* AI at All-Madden level is really rather good.
* Franchise trade AI seems good so far.

What it doesn't do well:
* As mentioned above, the presentation is absolute trash.  Worse than NCAA even (by a significant margin to boot)... and I thought that was pretty barebones.
* The fatigue, no matter WHAT the PR people say, is totally broken at this point.  It's not the UI for showing it that's the problem, it's just that it isn't in the fuckin game at all.  Weak EA, WEAK.
* Franchise has no major features in it, and the UI is pretty bad as well.  It's not that it's missing anything, it just hasn't really added anything great.  The salary cap figures are wrong once again, which is nothing new for Madden.
* The Superstar mode, for as cool as it could be, as some fatally bad flaws and terrible documentation.
* Documentation in general is godawful.  It's the same as NCAA.
* The playbooks haven't changed since... I believe 2001.
* The rosters are attrociously bad.  I mean, I get the whole idea of there being a roster freeze to get the game out, but HOLY CRAP are these out of date.  Might as well wait until official updated ones come out before you start a Franchise.


Final thoughts for the night - it's fun.  It's broken in a few aspects, but it's overall pretty damn fun.  I don't like it as much as NCAA though... yet.  Time will tell.

gellar
8322  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Guess how much the Wii will retail for? on: August 22, 2006, 10:46:41 PM
$249
8323  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: How about some GT Madden 07 impressions! on: August 22, 2006, 10:31:53 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on August 22, 2006, 10:25:25 PM

Quote from: jblank on August 22, 2006, 05:24:21 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on August 22, 2006, 05:20:34 PM

Yeah, it was pretty smooth.

The radio announcer...person was silent on the replay, if I recall correctly.

I never use the cover-ball button.  Maybe I should get used to using the right bumper more often biggrin

Oh, by the way, it's anybody's guess if a strip button is in the game or not.  EA's absolutely piss-poor shit instruction manuals continues.  You may read about jumping the snap (which I think is lame), but I'm not sure run / pass committing is in the manual.  Ugh, why must you cut corners on your manuals, EA?

It took me 5 minutes to figure out how to cycle positions in the depth chart menu.  I shit you not.

Strip is in the game. I am looking at the manual and it lists swat ball as being the "A" button. Covering up with the RB is absolutely essential in this game.

I thought swat ball meant lunge for it in the air rather than go for the pick?

So did I.

gellar
8324  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] OFFICIAL Madden '07 league interest on: August 22, 2006, 08:11:41 PM

Quote from: Calvin on August 22, 2006, 07:51:50 PM

Quote from: gellar on August 22, 2006, 07:48:24 PM

Quote from: Calvin on August 22, 2006, 07:39:41 PM

I promsie you this year in the league I will have the most rushing attempts (well, unless one of you is crazier than me).

My options are to run the ball, or use Alex Smith.

gellar

I remember last time we played. GG Alex Smith, and kevan barlow and frank gore sucked a moneky. For the love of all thats holy switch teams bro.

Meh... I'd rather embarass you all with one of the worst teams in the game slywink

gellar
8325  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] OFFICIAL Madden '07 league interest on: August 22, 2006, 07:48:24 PM

Quote from: Calvin on August 22, 2006, 07:39:41 PM

I promsie you this year in the league I will have the most rushing attempts (well, unless one of you is crazier than me).

My options are to run the ball, or use Alex Smith.

gellar
8326  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: (360)Madden '07 - $48 this week at Circuit City on: August 22, 2006, 07:06:54 PM
They seemed to have a ton at my Circuit City.
8327  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] OFFICIAL Madden '07 league interest on: August 22, 2006, 07:02:29 PM
I can run on Madden.  I believe in the GG league a few years ago, I ran for half the game consecutively against someone to prove the fact that the running game is not broken.  It helped that he was running nickel and quarter defenses at me, but still... it's not impossible.  It just requires a very specific level of patience.

gellar
8328  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Random Assorted 360 Questions on: August 22, 2006, 06:50:34 PM
PGR3 is *technically* the better bundle, but if you have no interest in it, just get the other one.  At retail, PGR3 is $50, while a 12 month Xbox live is $60.

gellar
8329  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: How about some GT Madden 07 impressions! on: August 22, 2006, 04:23:52 PM
Nice impressions sir.  You like Tom Brady a bit too much.

gellar
8330  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] OFFICIAL Madden '07 league interest on: August 22, 2006, 03:39:14 PM
I say just let us play.  Seriously.  I trust that no one here is an idiot.  Everyone else do the same and we'll be fine.

gellar
8331  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why the EA hatred? on: August 22, 2006, 03:34:39 PM

Quote from: Farscry on August 22, 2006, 03:25:53 PM

So, a serious question for people who acknowledge and strongly disapprove of EA's business practices: when you say you buy their games anyway because "I like the games" and then downplay EA's bad practices... is that justification because you want to purchase the games and thus support EA's continuing practices but don't like the implication that you are part of why EA gets away with these business practices?

Would you feel the same way if you or a family member were employed by EA?  Or if you or a family member were one of the developers whose dev house was picked up in a hostile takeover and gutted?

Because it's not like anyone HAS to work for EA.  If I had a family member working there, I'd call them a bloody idiot and move on with it.  Dev houses are taken over because they were not fit to survive on their own.

Hell, I quit working at MS because I hated their internal business practices, yet I still use Windows.  I recognize that just because it's bad for the individual doesn't mean it's bad for the corporate whole.

gellar
8332  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Madden 07 360 Bug Thread on: August 22, 2006, 03:21:57 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on August 22, 2006, 03:18:36 PM

Don't get me wrong.  It would be great if companies patched bad AI in console sports games.  (Believe me I've seen bad trades and crazy franchise stuff in Madden too.)  But I don't EXPECT those to be patched.  I do expect features not woking to be fixed though.

I EXPECT PERFECTION.

gellar
8333  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why the EA hatred? on: August 22, 2006, 03:19:44 PM
I hate EA the company.  They are total dicks.  I've had numerous friends chewed up and spit out by their sweatshop.

That being said, they are INCREDIBLY shrewd for a game company, so I have to admire them in some sense for honestly being the only publisher out there right now that seemingly has a clue about business.

I also don't let my hate for their work practices get in the way of enjoying their games.  They still make some fun stuff to play and my morals aren't that high to where I can just boycott it.  They don't do anything bad enough for me to hate them *that* much.

gellar
8334  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Madden 07 360 Bug Thread on: August 22, 2006, 03:14:41 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on August 22, 2006, 03:11:46 PM

Bad AI doesn't make a bug in my opinion.

Wow.  I can't disagree more.  That's certainly one way to think 2K makes a better game though.

Quote from: Ralph-Wiggum on August 22, 2006, 03:12:10 PM

Most of those sound like bad A.I. rather than actual bugs.

I don't distinguish between the two.  It could be a monkey hitting me in the head while I'm playing for all I care, if it fuck's up my game experience, it's bad juju.

gellar
8335  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Madden 07 360 Bug Thread on: August 22, 2006, 03:05:51 PM

Quote from: Ralph-Wiggum on August 22, 2006, 02:49:14 PM

But there's a difference in having a game with some minor, but annoying bugs (like clipping, etc.) and game stopping/changing bugs (i.e. the NCAA PSP running bug or fatigue not working or Hall of Famers suddenly playing againt you). EA seems to have more of the latter type of bugs than most companies.

Uh... disagree.  2K easily had as many bugs as EA in it's final NFL edition.  The thing was, most of 2K's bugs were in Franchise mode, so most people didn't care.  Off the top of my head, things that were just flat out bad:

* Insaneo trading AI.  Way more (and often times unbelievable) trades than in the NFL.
* The whole pre-game prep stuff just flat out didn't work.  It contributed to a great deal of the problems.
* More injuries than are realistic.
* Godawful AI depth chart management (things like QBs returning kicks, etc...)
* Draft AI is... bad.  In the first round, the AI EXCLUSIVELY drafted QB, HB, T, and DEs only.  Nothing else.  Period.  This was an absolute Franchise killer.
* Off season AI in general was garbage.  Teams didn't seem to sign players for any specific reasons and many good players wouldn't be signed at all.

gellar
8336  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Madden 07 360 Bug Thread on: August 22, 2006, 02:22:45 PM

Quote from: Destructor on August 22, 2006, 01:39:26 PM

An EA Sports game that's buggy? It would never happen.  disgust

You know what's sad?  I'm trying to figure out the last actual major Football game (EA or otherweise) that *wasn't* buggy.  And I can't.

Basketball as a franchise is typically pretty solid, from both EA and 2K.  Hockey is a total trainwreck most of the time, particularly the 2K versions.  Though, the EA versions aren't so much buggy as they are just flat out bad.  Baseball... Sony does a nice job.  EA's last effort was ok.  2K last year was a total piece of shit.

I guess sports games are just hard to make?

gellar
8337  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] OFFICIAL Madden '07 league interest on: August 22, 2006, 03:51:16 AM

Quote from: jblank on August 22, 2006, 03:28:47 AM

The Giants aren't gonna throw screens to Tiki Barber EVERY play, so don't do it over and over in the game. Just call a realistic game of football and nobody is gonna have a problem.

Actually, I'm relatively certain that if a screen to Tiki worked 100% of the time, the Giants would be MORE than happy to call that play repeatedly. slywink

gellar
8338  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] OFFICIAL Madden '07 league interest on: August 21, 2006, 07:29:02 PM
I'm fairly certain the crowd here is more mature than OpSports slywink.  Just stick around j, if it turns to shit, just bail.  You don't have much to lose.

gellar
8339  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Is Gamestop open at 12am tonight..? on: August 21, 2006, 07:19:05 PM
I'm amped... but I'm not that amped.  I suppose if I had a realistic chance of staying awake to play the game after picking it up I'd be more interested.  However, since there is ZERO chance of that happening, I'll just pick it up at lunch the next day.

gellar
8340  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (8/21) on: August 21, 2006, 03:09:07 PM
Madden 360 for me... Hold'Em as well, but that's not really something I'm buying.

gellar
8341  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Hardware upgrades, smashes head against wall. on: August 21, 2006, 04:45:12 AM

Quote from: stiffler on August 19, 2006, 07:44:20 PM

I certainly feel your pain.  Reminds me why I just go the build-to-order route these days.  My time and sanity are worth the extra cost.  But at least you were able to get it running and not have to wait around for RMA's.

Same here.  This thread makes me feel a hell of a lot better about ordering my new PC than building it myself slywink

gellar
8342  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: (360)Madden '07 - $48 this week at Circuit City on: August 21, 2006, 01:33:12 AM
Hah.  I was already planning on buying it there anyway (there's one 5 mins from my office).  HOORAY!

gellar can't wait till Tuesday.
8343  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sunday Skin - 8/20/06 on: August 21, 2006, 01:26:09 AM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on August 21, 2006, 01:18:26 AM

Am I the only one who finds those three Asian ladies way hotter than the "focus" of the first picture?

Well, except for the one on the left...

You. Are. Wrong.

gellar
8344  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: The Official GT Trader Feedback List (updated 7/30) on: August 19, 2006, 11:27:37 PM
+1 to Kratz.
8345  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] OFFICIAL Madden '07 league interest on: August 18, 2006, 08:06:13 PM
New update... it seems as though EA's party line is that it's not the fatigue itself that is broken, it's the display of it.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/08/17/ea-responds-to-madden-nfl-07-concerns/
8346  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: BC vs. GT - BF2 edition on: August 18, 2006, 07:38:04 PM
You have no idea what our Teamspeak convos are like.  They are COMEDY.

Our last #gg vs OO match consisted of someone in my squad, WHO WILL REMAIN NAMELESS, blowing up our own artillery.
8347  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: BC vs. GT - BF2 edition on: August 18, 2006, 07:16:02 PM

Quote from: SuperHiro on August 18, 2006, 06:18:26 PM

complete with spreadsheet-toting, four-letter-word-using Commander

Ahem.  While I did create the imfamous spreadsheet, I typically do not command.  Nomorals does.  I am squad leader of Bravo, sir.  BC fo'LIFE.

gellar
8348  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] OFFICIAL Madden '07 league interest on: August 18, 2006, 04:50:24 PM

Quote from: Ertic33 on August 18, 2006, 04:31:31 PM

How about we wait until the fatigue patch is ready to go before going online?

I think as a collective whole we can be trusted not to exploit a lack of fatigue.

That being said, I would like to change my team to the Falcons slywink

gellar
8349  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Madden 07 360 Bug Thread on: August 18, 2006, 03:02:12 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on August 17, 2006, 03:51:05 PM

Vince Young doesn't understand the word "fatigue."

No, seriously, you guys, he only got a 6 on the Wonderlic intelligence test.  He can't read.

Hah!

gellar
8350  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Ea response to madden 360 fatigue issue off of Os sports on: August 18, 2006, 03:00:04 PM
This is good news.  Now I can go back to being excited about the game*.

gellar

*until I learn something else is teh broken.
8351  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Madden 07 360 Bug Thread on: August 17, 2006, 03:41:27 PM

Quote from: depward on August 17, 2006, 03:29:22 PM

Pretty lame 'bug', if you can call it that.  I say that because something like that shouldn't be a 'bug' - it's a huge issue - and one that if a game tester had any sort of brain-power would have thought:

"Why can I run with the speed-rated 89 Vince Young so much and he's now slowing down?"

Cause he's friggin VINCE YOUNG.  Duh.

gellar
8352  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Madden 07 360 Bug Thread on: August 17, 2006, 01:05:50 AM

Quote from: Lockdown on August 17, 2006, 12:57:26 AM

My friend, I need to ask... is this surprising to you?.  I am not a fan of EA's football engine, but that is neither here nor there.  I would like to see them release a game where they do not drop the ball on something relatively major every year.  It comes off as shoddy.  And I think this would classify as "relatively major" to some folks. 

The bright side is, when you think about it, other than running backs and receivers coming out of games due to being tired, it's probably really not THAT big a deal to the average player.

I am bummed for the Madden fans out there though.  Hopefully for your guys sake, EA didn't blunder a bunch of more stuff that hasn't been discovered yet.

Best of luck.   

Yeah certainly not surprised... but disappointed.  I can't recall a major Madden bug that I've cared about over the past few years, so mostly things are ok.  I guess I *could* say the same about the fatigue bug, but that does matter more to me than most.  The one thing I could always count on Madden for would be that it would be considerably less broken than the competition.  I guess when there is no more competition, they don't have to be that good at it anymore.  Bastards.

And yes, I too worry about the shit that hasn't been found yet.  It's certainly dampered my hopes for the game.

gellar
8353  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Madden 07 360 Bug Thread on: August 17, 2006, 12:38:13 AM
Heh... lovely.  OpSports is reporting two fairly major bugs (one with a workaround, one without).

The first bug is regarding HoF players entering rosters and people starting Franchises with them.  Thankfully, this at least has a workaround and shouldn't affect folks too much (if at all)

http://forums.operationsports.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=179422

The second, which has no workaround, is that the players absolutely do not fatigue in the 360 version.  This is absolute shit, in my opinion.  I'm not certain it's bad enough to get me not to buy the game, but it's still totally unacceptable.  I'd like to think they can/will fix it in an update, but this is EA, and they suck at patching.

Ugh... for a guy who doesn't hate EA as much as the rest of you do, this is still a pisser.

gellar
8354  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] OFFICIAL Madden '07 league interest on: August 16, 2006, 09:02:04 PM
Fear Alex Smith.
8355  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Setting up your Avatar as your gamertag card on: August 14, 2006, 04:58:53 AM
Neat.  Thanks for the info.

gellar
8356  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / So when was the last time someone gave you something free? on: August 10, 2006, 05:22:24 PM
Restaurants I go to regularly.  

I tip fairly well, so I frequently get appetizers, desserts, that sort of thing on the house.

The last time was this weekend.  A steakhouse Nancy and I go to once every quarter or so (it's a bit far from where we live) brought out an appetizer, two glasses of wine (to go with the appetizer), and gave us an extra item for dessert all without me ordering/asking for it.  Quite nice of them.

gellar
8357  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / [360] Chromehounds- New weapons soon on: August 10, 2006, 05:11:37 PM
Quote from: "The Grue"
I notice they are not free.


I notice I will not be buying them.

gellar
8358  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Battlefield 2142 beta imminent. on: August 10, 2006, 05:11:03 PM
Quote from: "-Lord Ebonstone-"
Quote from: "gellar"
I honestly cannot fathom anyone who liked BF 1942 NOT liking BF2, however.
Well, if BF2 ran like crap on your machine...


Point taken... I'm still not certain I will be able to run it on my new machine at full details.

gellar
8359  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Battlefield 2142 beta imminent. on: August 10, 2006, 04:00:11 PM
Quote from: "Lockdown"
The franchise has not declined in my opinion Scott.  

I think you should look forward to 2142.  Furthermore, I think you should plan on getting the game and playing with us.

Next question?

 :wink:


What he said.  BF:V was a LOT of fun, but I can definitely understand how it frustrated some from a technical standpoint (as technically, it was a bloody mess).

I honestly cannot fathom anyone who liked BF 1942 NOT liking BF2, however.

I am super stoked for BF2142.

gellar
8360  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Nothing compares to NFL 2k5, I hope Madden 07 changes that.. on: August 10, 2006, 03:18:51 PM
See I don't notice any of these issues, or rather, they aren't large ones.  The only one that bothers me a bit (other than the sack thing) is fumble recoveries, which is like an episode of Three Stooges playing out on a football field.  But then again, that's a lot like how real fumble recoveries are, so I don't mind so much.

gellar
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