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161  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XB1]Forza 5 on: February 03, 2014, 06:46:24 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on February 03, 2014, 06:32:01 PM

Drivatar concept is fantastic.  It was such a trip in my first race to see GTers names as my opponents, and as I would have expected in a live match I was passing up people I would generally beat in live multiplayer and ended up with me and Gellar battling for 1st. 

Cool! I actually like that if possible, the game gives you both the Dravatars car and paint scheme.
162  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Superbowl on: February 03, 2014, 06:04:55 PM
HOLY FUCKING AWESOME.
163  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Superbowl on: February 03, 2014, 05:58:36 AM
I can't actually fully describe my emotions when the Kings won their first championship ever, but it was awesome. I've gotta figure you're going through the same feelings now, so enjoy it. Congrats!
164  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2014 Offseason on: February 03, 2014, 05:57:33 AM
Iupati actually isn't a free agent until 2015.

I'd like to see Boldin and Whitner come back, but I don't see any reason to overpay for either. Rogers is gone unless he significantly restructures his contract, so the secondary is definitely the primary concern.

I don't at all mind a Kaepernick contract extension this offseason. NFL contracts aren't guaranteed and the potential savings outweigh the potential risk of him catching a case of the sucks.

Really looking forward to a hopefully fully healthy Marcus Lattimore in the backfield next season.
165  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Tomb Raider on: February 03, 2014, 02:34:35 AM

Quote from: wonderpug on February 02, 2014, 06:54:30 PM

Quote from: gellar on February 02, 2014, 05:47:56 PM

So I double dipped because I spent like $12 on the PC version and want to encourage a sequel.

I have a pretty great rig nearly maxed out at 2560x1440... and subjectively, I am blown away at how good the definitive edition looks. It's perdy.

I'm losing track of who bought which system... you're playing on the PS4 version?

Yes, I'm playing Tomb Raider on the PS4.

For the record, I have both systems.
166  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Tomb Raider on: February 02, 2014, 05:47:56 PM
So I double dipped because I spent like $12 on the PC version and want to encourage a sequel.

I have a pretty great rig nearly maxed out at 2560x1440... and subjectively, I am blown away at how good the definitive edition looks. It's perdy.
167  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: And a baby Jesus was born. on: February 01, 2014, 05:45:42 PM

Quote from: TiLT on February 01, 2014, 04:34:57 PM

Quote from: gellar on February 01, 2014, 04:24:00 PM

Quote from: Lee on February 01, 2014, 11:22:38 AM

Quote from: TiLT on February 01, 2014, 10:05:27 AM

Before we go lumping people into groups here, I'd like to make it clear that I'm not an atheist. Atheism does require a bit of faith ("there are no gods. I can't prove it, but I'm certain!"), which I'm not comfortable with. Consider me a non-believing agnostic. To me, everything points against earthly religions being right, but who's to say there isn't something out there that humanity would consider a god? Not me, at least.

This is me as well, I am not really an atheist. The problem is that if you say agnostic to a Christian they assume you could be in doubt about the Christian God, which I am not. It's easier to just say I am atheist.

Honestly it's gotten to the point where I would rather avoid the subject in person. It used to be fun to argue, now it seems people either feel I need their help, or there is a certain amount of disdain about it.

Religion is an absolute non starter discussion for me in person (and for the most part, on the internets). It's 100% pointless to discuss.

Science isn't pointless to discuss though, and that's the big thorn in this discussion, the idea that evolution or the Big Bang are both "just theories". That is religion bursting into something it doesn't understand. Attempts to challenge this intrusion are met with responses as if religion was being attacked, when what's really being attacked is faulty and misunderstood science, and words that are being used to describe something they're not designed for.

Still not worth it. The point of discussion is to have debate and understand each others viewpoints. That doesn't happen with people passionate on either side of religion. Once it comes up, it is the turd in the punchbowl.
168  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: And a baby Jesus was born. on: February 01, 2014, 04:24:00 PM

Quote from: Lee on February 01, 2014, 11:22:38 AM

Quote from: TiLT on February 01, 2014, 10:05:27 AM

Before we go lumping people into groups here, I'd like to make it clear that I'm not an atheist. Atheism does require a bit of faith ("there are no gods. I can't prove it, but I'm certain!"), which I'm not comfortable with. Consider me a non-believing agnostic. To me, everything points against earthly religions being right, but who's to say there isn't something out there that humanity would consider a god? Not me, at least.

This is me as well, I am not really an atheist. The problem is that if you say agnostic to a Christian they assume you could be in doubt about the Christian God, which I am not. It's easier to just say I am atheist.

Honestly it's gotten to the point where I would rather avoid the subject in person. It used to be fun to argue, now it seems people either feel I need their help, or there is a certain amount of disdain about it.

Religion is an absolute non starter discussion for me in person (and for the most part, on the internets). It's 100% pointless to discuss.
169  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Amazon Prime price hike coming? on: January 31, 2014, 05:42:38 PM
Don't care. Will still pay.
170  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2890 Days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: January 31, 2014, 03:46:46 PM

Quote from: gellar on January 31, 2014, 02:50:27 PM

Quote from: msduncan on January 31, 2014, 02:27:24 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on January 28, 2014, 10:05:14 PM

Well I for one will definitely be getting cross-platforms on PS4 (once I get one) until MS achieves some approximation of parity. The difference would be for multiplayer games, since most of my friends went XB1.

Exactly my approach.

Samesies.

Actually in rethinking this, it's not quite true for me. Most of my friends who have purchased next gen are actually on PS4, so that wins for MP unless its a shooty title.
171  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2890 Days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: January 31, 2014, 02:50:27 PM

Quote from: msduncan on January 31, 2014, 02:27:24 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on January 28, 2014, 10:05:14 PM

Well I for one will definitely be getting cross-platforms on PS4 (once I get one) until MS achieves some approximation of parity. The difference would be for multiplayer games, since most of my friends went XB1.

Exactly my approach.

Samesies.
172  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Amazon To Start Charging Tax In My State on: January 30, 2014, 02:47:31 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on January 30, 2014, 03:21:07 AM

Quote from: gellar on January 29, 2014, 11:32:22 PM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on January 29, 2014, 07:59:21 PM

Washington, Alaska, Nevada, Wyoming, South Dakota, Texas, Tennessee, New Hampshire, Florida.

I've mulled this list over in my mind for years and there's still really only one state there I'd be willing to live.

Which one? 

Tennessee.
173  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Amazon To Start Charging Tax In My State on: January 29, 2014, 11:32:22 PM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on January 29, 2014, 07:59:21 PM

Washington, Alaska, Nevada, Wyoming, South Dakota, Texas, Tennessee, New Hampshire, Florida.

I've mulled this list over in my mind for years and there's still really only one state there I'd be willing to live.
174  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Amazon To Start Charging Tax In My State on: January 29, 2014, 03:27:28 PM

Quote from: TiLT on January 29, 2014, 03:21:59 PM

Quote from: gellar on January 29, 2014, 02:42:01 PM

The People's Republic of CA already takes ~10% of my pay as income tax. Sales tax adds another 9% of what I spend. This is a lot of taxes.

No it's not. Tongue

Relative to what we get out of it, it is. You guys get a lot more.
175  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Amazon To Start Charging Tax In My State on: January 29, 2014, 02:42:01 PM

Quote from: farley2k on January 28, 2014, 08:59:51 PM

Quote from: rittchard on January 28, 2014, 06:28:22 PM

Yeah when we got it last year (CA) I was pretty bummed but what can you do.  The fact is it does make the competition more fair for companies like Best Buy and Target, not to mention the last remaining traditional book stores.  Still, even with the taxes, with free Prime shipping I'll still tend to go with Amazon out of convenience - and of course their pricing is almost always the best unless there's some sort of special/exclusive sale.

I don't get this.  (Not to pick on you personally at all)

Since sales tax stays in your local community wouldn't people like to pay sales tax over other taxes?  The sales tax is actually one of the most obvious taxes we pay.  You can see people working to fix the pot holes, you can hear the fire truck going down the street, etc.  It isn't nearly as abstract at "helping sorgum farms in Maine" or that kind of thing from the federal budget.  Now that doesn't mean it can't be spent on stupid stuff just that we can see the stupid stuff easier.  smile



The People's Republic of CA already takes ~10% of my pay as income tax. Sales tax adds another 9% of what I spend. This is a lot of taxes.
176  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Amazon To Start Charging Tax In My State on: January 28, 2014, 07:06:07 PM

Quote from: rittchard on January 28, 2014, 06:28:22 PM

Yeah when we got it last year (CA) I was pretty bummed but what can you do.  The fact is it does make the competition more fair for companies like Best Buy and Target, not to mention the last remaining traditional book stores.  Still, even with the taxes, with free Prime shipping I'll still tend to go with Amazon out of convenience - and of course their pricing is almost always the best unless there's some sort of special/exclusive sale.

Technically we were supposed to self report and pay those taxes even before Amazon started doing it for us.

Of course I don't think anyone ever did that.
177  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2890 Days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: January 24, 2014, 08:06:41 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on January 24, 2014, 07:37:42 PM

Quote from: gellar on January 24, 2014, 07:24:22 PM

Quote from: JayDee on January 24, 2014, 07:08:06 PM

Note that does not mean "not doing well". It's doing very well. But I can't see how anyone can say it's doing as well as expected, with the expecation being non-stop sell-outs.

Was that the expectation or the hope though?

The #s I've seen show the X1 doing fairly poorly outside of NAM, but well enough to not be irrelevant. I'd say that's what was expected.

It's also worth noting that the units on shelves aren't exactly boxes of disappointment to be thrown into the ocean.  I don't know how much of a system seller Titanfall will be, but if the supply situation still looks like this when it hits, anyone who wants an Xbone for Titanfall will be able to find one.  And when the next big cross-platform titles hit, will a Joe Gamer who thinks he wants to play Metal Gear Solid on a PS4 be patient enough to hunt for one?  Or will he just give up after the first try or two and buy an Xbone instead because one is right there on a shelf?

Interesting point really. We'll have to see.

As far as Titanfall goes - it's *the* reason I asked for an Xbox One for Christmas even though I already had a PS4. So that's one piece of anecdotal evidence that it is a system seller for some.
178  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2890 Days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: January 24, 2014, 07:24:22 PM

Quote from: JayDee on January 24, 2014, 07:08:06 PM

Note that does not mean "not doing well". It's doing very well. But I can't see how anyone can say it's doing as well as expected, with the expecation being non-stop sell-outs.

Was that the expectation or the hope though?

The #s I've seen show the X1 doing fairly poorly outside of NAM, but well enough to not be irrelevant. I'd say that's what was expected.
179  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 22, 2014, 03:14:52 PM
Infamous and probably Tomb Raider.
180  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Kickstarter] Unsung Story, spiritual successor to FF Tactics on: January 18, 2014, 05:48:43 PM
This may very well be the first Kickstarter I do.
181  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 11, 2014, 06:41:32 PM

Quote from: Jumangi on January 11, 2014, 05:32:37 PM

Sony isn't hindering the future of games distribution. They have pushed it on the PS3 with their Day 1 Digital on PSN and with having all digital buying ability on the PS Vita. If you want to not ever buy a disc/cart with a PlayStation product you can.

Absolutely correct.
182  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: January 10, 2014, 06:25:51 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on January 10, 2014, 05:14:13 PM

I think the biggest mistake with their initial required-online approach was going for it while we're still in a weird hybrid zone of disc and digital distribution.  If they wanted it to be online-only, they should have just gone full-bore and release a console with no disc drive.  People raised eyebrows at Apple when they started releasing laptops with no disc drive, but it didn't take much to realize that just about everything was available via digital distribution.

Having no disc drive would mean they'd be mocked for having no ability to play blu-ray movies compared to the PS4, but if they set up a good digital distribution model I think there'd be a good chance of being looked at as being more forward-thinking.  Unless it's just too early for digital-only, which maybe it is.  But I do think online-only and disc-free go hand in hand.  Nobody's going to bat an eye if Steam boxes are online-only with no disc drive, and so it could have been with the Xbone.  

I think the games are too large to really make that feasible for the majority of the market. If you went full bore no disk drive, you'd drastically lower your total addressable market to those who could download 30GB in a reasonable timeframe.

I'm all for digital distribution. The only physical next gen games I have are the games I got at launch with the PS4. The last three purchases have been downloaded and I'm quite happy to keep going that way.
183  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC/PS4/XB1] The Division (Tom Clancy) on: January 08, 2014, 01:07:16 AM

Quote from: leo8877 on January 07, 2014, 10:22:10 PM


SONOFABITCH.
184  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2890 Days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: January 07, 2014, 06:55:40 PM
That seems to be a larger gap that I was expecting, no?
185  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 12 things the Xbox One does well, 11 that it doesn't on: January 04, 2014, 03:59:49 PM

Quote from: Purge on January 04, 2014, 02:55:34 PM

Quote from: TiLT on January 04, 2014, 02:27:05 PM

At the very least, Microsoft can afford to "lose" one console generation. The same can't be said about Sony at this point.


I concur.

Ditto.

Quote from: Purge on January 04, 2014, 02:55:01 PM

JayDee, I use the connect every day. Xbox on, certain voice commends, controller recognition. It's not what's wrong with the platform IMO.

When devs start competing with each other on feature sets - that's when we're gonna see the Kinect 2 really get used to its advantages.

I use it every time I use the Xbone, but I don't find it crucial to the system yet. In fact I find it superfluous. You're correct though - IF devs start actually using it well, then I may change my tune.
186  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 12 things the Xbox One does well, 11 that it doesn't on: January 04, 2014, 12:51:06 AM

Quote from: Purge on January 03, 2014, 08:30:56 PM

Quote from: gellar on January 03, 2014, 07:01:17 PM


Also is it just me or is the UI maddeningly slow?

Sometimes, yeah. I spoke around the point (IIRC) with the loading of different apps.

The cable box stuff I couldn't speak to, I'm in Canada, so the OneGuide is currently derelict. Hit X to bring it up automatically from the dashboard.

I like that hitting B takes you back into what you were just in (as if the dashboard is like the "360 button blades".

I played a bit last night (I'm coming down with a cold and have zero energy to focus on gaming). Halo:SA has some bugs in the first few levels including one crash and a bug where getting out of a turret starts firing your guns and your special ability: you have to tap fire to stop it. KD assures me his copy stopped pulling that crap later on, but I'll say this - they really need to fix system stability. The 'bone doesn't crash often, but it sometimes surprises you.

Hmmm I've not gotten any crashes at all other than occasionally on quick resume of a game (which I think they said is in Beta or something).
187  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XB1]Forza 5 on: January 03, 2014, 07:08:35 PM
I'm really finding myself enjoying Forza 5 a lot more than I expected to. The game could definitely use more tracks and the AI is fucking awful at driving anything above A Class, but otherwise I'm way more engrossed than I have been in any Forza game since... maybe the first one actually. It's good.

Feel free to add me on XBL for hot lap chasing. I don't see myself racing online at all, but maybe my Dravatar can ram a few of you off the road slywink

XBL: TehGellar
188  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 12 things the Xbox One does well, 11 that it doesn't on: January 03, 2014, 07:01:17 PM

Quote from: rittchard on January 03, 2014, 06:26:29 PM

Quote from: Purge on January 02, 2014, 10:44:14 PM

Smartglass does all of that.

So, effectively, if you have a smartphone or tablet, you already have full control of audio. Sending numeric signals to, say, change channels is possible, but the Kinect doesn't (at this time) have that type of control.

When you open Smartglass (and it's set to connect to your console), there is a remote icon in the bottom right, as well as an icon for sound.

Not to belabor the point, but I tried Smartglass out last night and while it's got some decent features, obviously it's not capable of sending IR commands to a set top box (or DVR), which means you are still left swapping between your DVR remote and the Smartglass device if you want to access any recorded show (or VOD, etc) functionality.  That's an improvement over using the controller because of the navigation, keyboard and volume control, but not great since it still requires two devices. 

I did some more searching around and really the only viable single-remote solution at present is the Logitech Harmony series.  It took me a major effort to get mine working the way I wanted, and I still had to compromise, placing the Xbone's selection keys to some fairly random buttons that were left over.  Long story short, it means the solution is acceptable for me personally, but not for anyone else in the house.  Do you really want to explain to your significant other why they have to press the red circle button to get the List of recorded shows?  Or why they have to move the Xbox cursor around with the "-" key and then hit the soft Enter key to get the TV in full screen?  I realize it's not an easy proposition given the different types of DVRs and STBs out there, but this is the door Microsoft opened when they decided to promote the "one stop entertainment" hub concept.  Pretty much everyone I know uses some form of DVR, even those who are getting TV over the air; it's something that needs to be addressed if they really want to own this space.  This should all be really obvious stuff for a company that is going to advertise integration with TV/cable/satellite. 

Agreed. It's a mess. I'm specifically not running my DirecTV line through the Xbone because it adds a minimal amount of value while making the entire process actually more cumbersome. I have hopes they'll figure this out in the long run, but they are also a LOOOONG ways off from making it usable right now. Also, try telling your significant other 'so instead of using the TV remote like you've always done, I need you to talk to the Xbox for some things, use the iPad for others, and then also use the TV remote for the stuff that that stuff can't do. Oh yeah and sometimes (half of the time) the Xbox won't understand you.' NOPE.

First off, get the goddamn box to turn on consistently when I say 'Xbox, on.' That's step one. Then unfuck everything else.

In regards to the article, I agree with it largely. It's a nice box of potential but just about all of that potential is falling short right now. The quick resume feature is the one thing it really does a ton better than the PS4, but everything else is sort of a miss from a gaming perspective.

Also is it just me or is the UI maddeningly slow?
189  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 10 hours until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 21, 2013, 09:44:57 PM

Quote from: msduncan on November 21, 2013, 09:02:17 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on November 21, 2013, 08:59:03 PM

It just feels worse because now you're finally on the receiving end.

 thumbsup


Jesus fucking Christ. Grow up, children.
190  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: November 21, 2013, 06:11:42 AM

Quote from: ATB on November 21, 2013, 02:03:20 AM

Quote from: YellowKing on November 21, 2013, 01:27:55 AM

Look, here's the deal.

Ever since E3 we've heard nothing but shit against the Xbox.


Who cares? 

Winnar.
191  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 21, 2013, 03:50:56 AM

Quote from: msduncan on November 21, 2013, 12:01:05 AM

Quote from: Canuck on November 20, 2013, 11:11:35 PM

I also find it odd that (not necessarily on this forum, but on the internets in general) fans of xbox have gone from "yeah I have a PS3-i mean Netflix machine-but it's all about the games man. GAMES GAMES GAMES! If I want to watch a movie I'll turn on my PS3" to "It's all about the media capabilities man. All the PS4 can do is play games. It's basically a PS 3.5."
The reversal of opinion is intriguing.

Ironic considering the PS3 turned out to be the better console last generation primarily because of the way it pushed the boundaries of media with Bluray.

Funny - I used that as a reason to buy the PS3 but haven't played a BRD in probably over three years.

The PS3 turned out to be the better console (subjectively) because it had better games (subjectively). Also it didn't light on fire as much.
192  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 10:43:37 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on November 20, 2013, 09:05:36 PM

Both Albert Penello and Marc Whitten have confirmed (via Twitter) that 5.1 is available as an option, just needs to be enabled. Currently labeled beta due to some issues on certain set top boxes (assuming this may change with Day One patch or shortly thereafter). Marc Whitten stated the support FAQ is incorrect and will be corrected to reflect this option.

Ah the time old tradition of saying "Beta/Experimental" when a feature doesn't fully work or isn't fully tested.

Still, glad to hear it'll be fixed if/when I get one of these things.
193  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 08:41:11 PM

Quote from: Ralph-Wiggum on November 20, 2013, 08:30:35 PM

Quote from: Purge on November 20, 2013, 07:56:40 PM

Honestly, even though "Digital TV" is popular, the vast majority of TV programs aren't recorded in 5.1 - so it's not as big a deal for most people - also, home theaters are a drop in the bucket compared to sound bars and TV speaker use (sad but true).

Is that true? Unless it was just being upscaled by my receiver and I didn't realize it, I think most of the big networks broadcast at least their primetime shows in 5.1 as do the movie channels (HBO at least). As gellar points out, setting it up the way you advise would mean any movie/show watched on HBO wouldn't have surround sound.

It's absolutely not true. The vast majority of the primetime network shows and movies are 5.1. All of the premium channels are 5.1. All major sports are 5.1.

It's not a sacrifice I'd be willing to make.
194  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 08:09:22 PM

Quote from: Purge on November 20, 2013, 07:56:40 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on November 20, 2013, 07:24:30 PM

Man, Purge, my eyes are glazing over.

Here's my current setup:

Cable box out --> Receiver Cable in
WD Live out --> Receiver Aux in
Receiver out HDMI to the TV

These are currently the only two inputs I switch between. What's my optimum config for the Xbox One, in layman's terms.  icon_biggrin

All HDMI?

Honestly, even though "Digital TV" is popular, the vast majority of TV programs aren't recorded in 5.1 - so it's not as big a deal for most people - also, home theaters are a drop in the bucket compared to sound bars and TV speaker use (sad but true).

So, the optimal setup would be:

Cable Box --HDMI--> XBONE --HDMI--> RECEIVER(1) --HDMI--> TV
WDLive ---- HDMI--------------------> RECEIVER(2)

There are other ways to skin this - you could have a second output for sound to go to the receiver, but it's going to complicate things and if this "BETA" thing works, good for them, good for you.

As to the "day one update" - the one released a week ago != (necessarily) mean it's the one coming out tomorrow night.

To avoid hardware problems like disk ejects, I think I'm going software-only. slywink

Just to point out in case it's not obvious, by doing this you will not have any 5.1 sound for your Cable programming unless that Beta thing works.
195  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 07:52:19 PM

Quote from: Purge on November 20, 2013, 07:47:57 PM

If the Xbone IR blasted the input on the receiver then it would be fine (other than the input switch sound on your receiver) but it doesn't sound like it works like that. If they had a harmony-like logic to inputs it could easily bounce between inputs.

The problem with that solution is that you'd still want the video input of the xbox but an audio input of something else... unless there are newer receivers that could have HDMI input + Optical Input on the same source and switch between the two.

In any case, yeah it's a miss. They need to fix this.
196  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 07:27:01 PM

Quote from: Purge on November 20, 2013, 07:18:26 PM

The last example you put is the right one. I never suggested everything get routed through the XB1 - unless they had more inputs and allowed you to swap between other services/systems (which it does not).

I'll admit I'm not surprised at the (current) limitation.

Yeah the problem with that is that if you do it, it currently kills your 5.1 sound. It's an amazing oversight/limitation... its so bad that like YK, I have to assume it absolutely must be fixed ASAP. Until then though, it's DOA.

You can't run audio through the receiver first... You'd have Audio from Source A [DirecTV] and Video from Source B [XBox One]. Not sure how the receiver would make heads or tails of that.

It's a mistake, and a really big one for at least some portion of their customers.
197  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 07:08:55 PM

Quote from: Purge on November 20, 2013, 07:02:07 PM

I will answer this, and perhaps slowly - HDMI as default is a single segment negotiation. The XB1 should be the "last stop" on its way to the TV via HDMI - anyone passing HDMI to the TV hoping it will output past it back into their receiver are misled regardless.

The audio should have been run through a receiver on HDMI FIRST or split out from the optical out.

Doing it any other way is retard

Uh, absolutely not. I am not running ALL of my inputs through the XBone as that is an unnecessary use of power. It adds zero value to my PS3, AppleTV, or XBox360 so there is no reason I'd pass those through at all. It may even add negative value by virtue of sound or input delay.

Not to mention this loop is nonsensical and might not even work [All Sources] -> [Receiver] -> [XBox One] -> [Receiver] -> [TV]

The receiver has to be the last stop before the TV since it's the one processing the sound.

This is the way it needs to be: [DirecTV] -> [XBox One] -> [Receiver] -> [TV]
198  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 2 Days until Xbone. Which system are you getting? on: November 20, 2013, 05:53:33 PM

Quote from: The Grue on November 20, 2013, 05:07:28 PM

Quote from: msduncan on November 20, 2013, 04:50:40 PM


Bottom line is, speaking from someone that has a PS4 and have been playing it all week, Xbone is pushing the envelope.   PS4 is essentially PS3 2.0.




What envelope is this thing pushing, exactly?  TV integration?  Oh, well not if you want more than stereo sound.  Kinect?  Well, only if you launch things by having great annunciation and with the proper marketing branding (XBox, launch Redbox Instant by Verizon).  Content management?  Sure, if you want them to decide for you which content stays and which goes.  They had some cool ideas and I was willing to give this a shot and maybe buy one at launch, but from what I have read in reviews (I wish they wouldn't score these stupid things), I am definitely waiting.

Meanwhile, I am playing games on my PS3 2.0 and loving it.  I wish MS had done the same and put the time and money into making the XBO perform better in that regard.  They wasted it trying to do this other stuff and then did it half-assed.

Agreed - I really want the TV stuff to work and work well but right now it's DOA. No PVR controls + no Surround Sound + no actual direct integration = Are you fucking kidding me?

It's a box of promises... and like I've probably said dozens of times in this thread, as a product guy, I know buying based on promise is a poor decision. I'll wait for delivery.
199  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Week 11 on: November 20, 2013, 05:42:24 PM
Brooks fined $16K for the hit. Ray Lewis offers to pay half.

If Ray Lewis is on your side, you are on the wrong side.
200  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: November 20, 2013, 04:29:09 PM

Quote from: forgeforsaken on November 20, 2013, 02:53:55 PM

So this came up in the "other" thread but I think this is relevant for future XB1 owners.  The XB1 does not support Surround Sound for the cable/satellite.  http://support.xbox.com/en-GB/xbox-one/live-tv/digital-sound-not-working

So if you have a home theater setup you'll want to weigh using that pass-through or not as, as of right now, there are tradeoffs.

You've got to be fucking kidding me.
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