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161  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360/PS3/PC/Wii U/PS4/XB1]Call of Duty:Ghosts on: November 06, 2013, 01:41:03 AM
Weird - my copy for PS4 shipped today according to Amazon. Guess I'll have a nice blue box to stare at for a little bit.
162  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 10 days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: November 05, 2013, 09:26:07 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on November 05, 2013, 08:41:17 PM

Quote from: gellar
That's a pretty ridiculous statement. $100 is still $100.

We hear the argument constantly that "the weaker console is $100 more....OH NOs!" That doesn't take into consideration the fact that many people feel that the value of other features of the Xbox One are worth the $100 premium, even with slightly weaker technical specs. People buy iPads all the time and spend HUNDREDS of dollars more than a competing tablet with more features. Value is subjective. That is my point.

You are not taking into consideration that many people don't feel that the Xbox one is worth the $100 premium even if it had identical technical specs. People buy 16GB iPads all the time because they don't feel that a 32GB iPad is worth the $100 premium.
163  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 10 days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: November 05, 2013, 08:32:59 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on November 05, 2013, 08:27:47 PM

And before someone brings up the $100 difference argument, if $100 makes the difference of you putting food on the table, you have no business buying a $500 console in the first place.

That's a pretty ridiculous statement. $100 is still $100.
164  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 10 days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: November 05, 2013, 07:20:42 PM

Quote from: msduncan on November 05, 2013, 07:14:58 PM


Please read the past 4 or 5 posts for an inkling of why Xbone purchasers perceive other posters here of taking any possible positive Xbone news and shitting on it.

Exhibit A

/signed.
165  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XB1/PS4/PS3/360/PC]Battlefield 4 on: November 04, 2013, 08:34:49 PM
Acknowledged problems list (there are many): http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf4/forum/threadview/2955065217944685108/

And the PC has Conquest Large maps but man are they terrible. I don't even bother playing them.
166  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 11 days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: November 04, 2013, 07:54:02 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on November 04, 2013, 07:40:45 PM

Quote from: msduncan on November 04, 2013, 07:29:52 PM

Quote from: TiLT on November 04, 2013, 07:21:22 PM

naednek, I think you missed every single point the previous posters were making about that kind of thing.

He didn't miss the point.    He understands the free market and capitalism.   The market drives these prices up due to shortage in supply and high demand.   He's not committing some sort of immoral crime for deciding to put his on the market for what other people are willing to pay for it.

Scalpers provide no good or service to the world to earn their money.  Microsoft and Sony say "we would like to sell you this product for $400/500", the buyer says "ok!", then the scalper says "nope!"  Scalping is just exploiting how retailers can't* mark up prices higher than MSRP.  If the going price for a PS4 on ebay is $700, shouldn't Amazon, Best Buy, and GameStop just charge that price themselves?  I mean, they're the ones actually providing a service.  Then everyone gets to enjoy the same higher market prices together.  Mission accomplished, what a wonderful world.

*why is that, anyhow?

The good and/or service they provide is possession, resale, and delivery of a good that someone else wants but does not have. Basically the exact same service a retailer provides.
167  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 11 days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: November 04, 2013, 07:52:29 PM
I don't have a problem with people selling the products for more than they are MSRPed for.

I also don't have a problem with those people who have a problem with people who sell the products for more than they are MSRPed for.

I am exercising my 'Murican freedoms, ya'll.
168  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Previous Launch Console Experiences on: November 04, 2013, 06:46:39 PM
The other thread got me thinking about this. I've had some level of disposable income since the PS2 launch and here's my history of purchasing launch consoles:

PS2 Launch - The night before launch, the girlfriend and I lined up at a local Best Buy (in the rain) around 3 or 4am. We were probably around #20 or so in line... they ran out at around #10. Not sure what I was thinking really. One week later I went to another Best Buy to buy NBA2K1 for the Dreamcast and they were just unpacking their shipment of PS2s... grabbed one, considered selling it for about 10 minutes, then went home and played. I don't remember what the hell I bought at launch, but I do know I played a comical amount of SSX shortly thereafter.

XBox 360 Launch - Just moved up to the Bay Area a few months prior and actually just had the startup I was at acquired by Microsoft (a few weeks prior), weirdly enough. Didn't help me get a console though. Preordered at the local EB but didn't get a launch unit. Was estimated not to get one until after Christmas, I think. A few weeks passed and a preorder showed up on Walmart.com a week prior to launch. Ordered it. To this day the only thing I've ever ordered at Walmart.com. Arrived a few days after the official launch. I remember not being very impressed with the vast majority of the games other than PGR3, which I loved. I got nearly all the MSFT published titles due to my sweet employee discount. A few weeks later, prior to Christmas, EB called with my other preorder. Sold it to my best friend with no markup.

PS3 Launch - I was all out of fucks to give at this point, I think. No preorder made. Wanted to get one at Costco so I showed up a few times looking for one with no luck. Eventually Austin at OO (or GT, CG, or BC, or whatever forum we were on at the time) had one for sale for no markup (guess I had good karma for not marking up and selling my extra 360 a year earlier) and I bought it for no reason in particular. I remember playing a lot of Resistance but not a ton else at launch.

Basically launches suck in terms of quality, from my experience. The excitement is pretty high but the games themselves, in retrospect, were pretty meh. It seems like this time around may be different, given the crossover games from the previous gen.

And for this time around, I ordered a launch PS4 from Amazon and it will be delivered to my house on Release Day. Unfortunately for me, I'll be in Korea until the Monday after.
169  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Week 9 on: November 04, 2013, 12:15:34 AM
Goddammit, Tampa.
170  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 12 days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: November 03, 2013, 04:12:37 PM

Quote from: TiLT on November 03, 2013, 08:18:31 AM

Quote from: gellar on November 03, 2013, 05:13:50 AM

PS4
Ghosts
Assassin's Creed 4
FIFA 14

That be all.

No PS Plus?

Does a PS3 subscription somehow not carry over?
171  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 12 days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: November 03, 2013, 05:13:50 AM
PS4
Ghosts
Assassin's Creed 4
FIFA 14

That be all.
172  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XB1/PS4/PS3/360/PC]Battlefield 4 on: November 02, 2013, 08:32:04 PM
It is WAY better looking though, I'll give it that.
173  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XB1/PS4/PS3/360/PC]Battlefield 4 on: November 02, 2013, 08:31:40 PM

Quote from: naednek on November 02, 2013, 08:24:39 PM

Quote from: gellar on November 02, 2013, 08:21:20 PM

Playing this on PC and it's fine and all... but I seriously cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would play this over CoD.

It's a thinking man's game Tongue

I like both games.  But they are vastly different from one another.  COD is more of an arcade type shooter,  BF4 tends to lean towards a skill type shooter.  I like them equally.

Yeah I don't get that at all. BF to me is a sloppier shooter where you can randomly die from a tank, helicopter, or sniper from 2 miles away.
174  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XB1/PS4/PS3/360/PC]Battlefield 4 on: November 02, 2013, 08:21:20 PM
Playing this on PC and it's fine and all... but I seriously cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would play this over CoD.
175  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: November 02, 2013, 06:31:44 PM

Quote from: msduncan on November 02, 2013, 05:59:33 PM


Actually a more honest response is that it's a nasty habit I picked up at some point. I put them in there when I'm thinking between lines that I'm typing. I did it twice in this response along and corrected them.  Not sure where I picked up the habit?

Weird - I assumed it was some sort of client issue.

I'm far more sensitive to this now that a lot of my writing is 'published' and I've consciously made the effort to move away from double spaced (wrong, but what I was taught) to single spaced (correct way to do it). Your... quadruple+ space sticks out like a sore thumb to me.

ANYWAY, back on topic.
176  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: November 02, 2013, 05:36:34 PM
I do have to ask a question that has been bothering me and this seems to be as good a time as any... msduncan, why the fuck do you have approximately a bajillion spaces between sentences?
177  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 30 days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: October 30, 2013, 05:41:00 PM

Quote from: TiLT on October 30, 2013, 05:38:54 PM

In other news, Norwegian retailers and distributors are starting to mention that the expected number of PS4s available at launch over here is considerably lower than expected. This goes for all the Nordic countries. There are major distributors who had ordered 5-digit numbers of units for distribution to the Nordic markets, yet are only getting a 4-digit amount, and probably in the lower end of those numbers. People who haven't pre-ordered will supposedly be lucky to even get their hands on a PS4 before February next year. The biggest online store in this market has told their customers that anyone who pre-ordered after the 26th of June will most likely not get a console at launch day.

Sony had indicated to the retailers that they'd get much larger numbers than this. I suspect the change came about because of Microsoft's decision to delay the release of the Xbox One in this territory until 2014. Suddenly it didn't become so important for Sony to flood us with consoles anyway.

I've preordered at Game, so I went there and checked an hour ago. Seems my local store is getting 50-65 consoles roughly. I was 39th in line when I ordered back at the end of June.

This is going to get ugly.

That sucks.
178  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 30 days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: October 30, 2013, 05:34:31 PM
Just because they're worse doesn't mean this isn't bad.
179  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Grand Theft Auto V on: October 29, 2013, 03:34:47 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on October 29, 2013, 01:07:36 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on October 29, 2013, 04:45:20 AM

Quote from: Caine on October 29, 2013, 04:05:36 AM

Quote from: jztemple2 on October 29, 2013, 12:11:37 AM


yeah, about a month and 10 days too late. 

I actually stopped using the app after the first couple of times I fired it up.

Me, too.  It's fairly useless.

I uninstalled it the moment it gave me a push notification to feed chop or something. NOPEDONOTWANT.
180  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Week 8 on: October 28, 2013, 12:47:18 AM

Quote from: Teggy on October 27, 2013, 10:13:14 PM

I don't even understand what happened in the Dallas game. I was in the car, Dallas gets the ball back with a minute and change and the lead. Then they lose. No make sense.

You'd think Dallas fans would be used to this sort of thing by now.
181  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: October 25, 2013, 11:49:34 PM
I'd much prefer if there was no day one patch but its entirely understandable that there is.

Of course I'll be overseas until the Monday after launch, so any negative effects won't hit me, other than the fact that I can't play until Monday.
182  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 30 days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: October 23, 2013, 05:53:43 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on October 23, 2013, 05:28:15 PM

Quote from: Hetz on October 23, 2013, 05:15:06 PM

Quote from: forgeforsaken on October 23, 2013, 04:17:15 PM

Their GPU is a bit weaker than the PS4 GPU as well, but the eSRAM does seem to be an issue.


Yeah, the eSRAM seems to be the major issue so far. True, the GPU may be a small issue now....but I think it will be a more major issue down the road, than right now....which obviously is not good.

I'm not at all knowledgeable about the implications of the eSRAM choice.  In the early days of the PS3, there was all that hoopla about how the anti-aliasing ability of the system was just about nonfunctional, but as the years went on it became less and less of an issue.  What makes the eSRAM limitations more dire?

Agreed. For quite a few years it was obvious that the PS3 versions of games were inferior to the 360, but towards the end of the lifecycle things equaled out (and in some cases flipped).

There's no reason to believe that it's impossible to sort this out long term... short term though, womp womp for Xbone.
183  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: the Apple iPad on: October 23, 2013, 02:46:45 AM

Quote from: wonderpug on October 23, 2013, 02:23:46 AM

Quote from: leo8877 on October 23, 2013, 12:48:16 AM

I am curious to see how the iPad Air feels.  I thought for sure I'd go for the retina mini, but now I'm not sure.  I hope the retail stores get them in before release so I can get my hands on one.

Yeah, I'm also not sure which one I want to pine after. The mini feels perfect, but I don't know how much of that is due to the size and how much due to the weight.

I too am wondering the same thing.
184  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Week 7 on: October 22, 2013, 02:15:27 AM

Quote from: naednek on October 22, 2013, 02:10:48 AM

Quote from: gellar on October 22, 2013, 01:03:25 AM

So my away game this year was last week and fuck... what an awesome time Nashville is. I would go back there in a heartbeat.

There was a lot of niner fans there. 

An incredible amount.
185  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Week 7 on: October 22, 2013, 01:03:25 AM
So my away game this year was last week and fuck... what an awesome time Nashville is. I would go back there in a heartbeat.
186  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 30 days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: October 19, 2013, 05:15:57 PM
Yeah I'm saying similar infrastructure requires an AWS account and a Credit Card. Not exactly a barrier to entry.
187  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 30 days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: October 19, 2013, 05:14:48 PM

Quote from: TiLT on October 19, 2013, 05:06:49 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on October 19, 2013, 04:54:30 PM

I don't recall any game in the past using a 'cloud' system to handle any processing other than standard server type things.  This isn't the same as just having dedicated servers for a game.  They are talking about offloading individual types of processing seamlessly in the background while you play, that is a big deal.

Let's put it like this: Your bandwidth is a way, WAY more problematic bottleneck than your CPU/GPU. Any useful data wouldn't be able to transmit what you need in time. Cloud clusters are great for business applications, but for realtime gaming? No.

"Cloud" is a buzzword for "online save game backups and dedicated servers" in his coming console generation. Nothing more.

I wouldn't go that far. I think they could do lots of ancillary things in the cloud, but they also should make it in such a way that it was latency resilient. Azure's footprint is actually fairly good, but you couldn't count on great latency for all users since there's so much you do not control. Basically you'd code it to where if the backend infrastructure was down or latent, you'd have degraded quality in the game of some sort, but the game itself should still function.

Or you say fuck you to anyone with less than a 100ms connection to an Azure DC, but good luck trying to get that to fly.
188  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 30 days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: October 19, 2013, 05:03:43 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on October 19, 2013, 04:54:30 PM

I don't recall any game in the past using a 'cloud' system to handle any processing other than standard server type things.  This isn't the same as just having dedicated servers for a game.  They are talking about offloading individual types of processing seamlessly in the background while you play, that is a big deal.

It's very much the same in terms of the required elements (servers, software, and code), it's just a different utilization of it.

I'm not saying the utilization might not be cool, though I've yet to hear ANY specific detail on wtf it's going to do - the only actual cloud thing I've ever heard of doing this in an actual functional way is nVidia CloudLight, and that's still way early in the POC stage. However, to think it's in any way unique to Microsoft is just buying into the marketing. MSFT is providing infrastructure (servers and sometimes software) that a dozen other companies can provide. It's up to the developers to make use of it (code). If the Titanfall devs do something cool, there's no reason that they couldn't or wouldn't do it on another platform, other than money.
189  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 30 days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: October 19, 2013, 03:51:46 PM

Quote from: Purge on October 19, 2013, 12:24:06 AM

Entirely possible, Hetz.

I do know they're leveraging cloud - which means that either that will have to happen [edit: locally] on the PS4, or Sony would need to come up with similar infrastructure.

Umm... Azure is not the only "cloud" services provider in the world. In fact they aren't even the biggest. Cloud is just a computer that isn't in your network.

EA has hosted services before. I'm pretty sure they have the capability. Or AWS does. Or Terremark. Or Rackspace. Or about a dozen other companies.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, stop buying into the "cloud" hype cycle.
190  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: How are you feeling about your pre-orders now? on: October 15, 2013, 09:31:11 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on October 15, 2013, 09:28:51 PM

Those are pretty sad launch exclusive lists for both players, but I think it's more just a sign that almost everything is multiplatform nowadays.

Yep. It's basically 0-0 for me, but I'm excited anyway cause the multiplatform stuff is compelling.
191  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What is your 2nd PS4 Launch Game on: October 15, 2013, 07:11:55 PM

Quote from: TiLT on October 15, 2013, 06:53:23 PM

I'm surprised Call of Duty is getting votes in this poll. That's probably the game that least deserves its next-gen status of all the alternatives listed (well, that and Fifa).

Why's that? Everything I've seen on Ghosts has it looking quite nice.
192  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: So what's your ride? on: October 15, 2013, 04:05:22 PM
And I just realized my car is actually a 2011... I think.
193  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: So what's your ride? on: October 15, 2013, 04:03:29 PM

Quote from: ATB on October 15, 2013, 03:58:47 PM

Quote from: gellar on October 14, 2013, 10:35:34 PM

2012 BMW 135i.

You gave up on soobarrooz?

Yeah I make more money now.
194  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: How are you feeling about your pre-orders now? on: October 15, 2013, 02:29:35 PM

Quote from: Turtle on October 15, 2013, 02:23:21 PM

Anyone else getting more controllers, or at least excited about 4 player local games making a comeback?

Nope and nope. The PS4 will be the first console I've owned where I intend on having just the one controller.
195  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: So what's your ride? on: October 15, 2013, 12:23:03 AM

Quote from: Purge on October 14, 2013, 10:55:55 PM

Quote from: gellar on October 14, 2013, 10:35:34 PM

2012 BMW 135i.

What colour?


They call it Sedona Red. It's kind of a burnt orange/red color.

Not my car, but looks just like it (other than it being RHD):

196  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: So what's your ride? on: October 14, 2013, 10:35:34 PM
2012 BMW 135i.
197  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Week 6 on: October 11, 2013, 07:47:58 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on October 11, 2013, 07:20:42 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on October 11, 2013, 06:55:17 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/11/report-petersons-son-beaten-in-critical-condition/

Some very sad news this week concerning the son of Adrian Peterson.   A man in Sioux Falls is in custody for beating Petersons 2 year old son causing severe head injuries and putting him in critical condition.   I can't imaging what he is going through having to deal with something like this.

Not much I guess, he's playing Sunday.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
198  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: October 05, 2013, 06:35:02 PM

Quote from: TiLT on October 05, 2013, 05:39:16 PM

"We must increase our debt to show that we can decrease our debt"? Wow.

'MURICA.
199  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: How are you feeling about your pre-orders now? on: October 04, 2013, 02:17:16 AM

Quote from: msduncan on October 03, 2013, 11:28:14 PM



Well damn.    gellar has succeeded in making me feel dumb for having scraped, scrounged, and scavenged enough to buy both consoles.

:/

Don't mind me. Something has happened now that I'm in my 30s... I'm overly logical and have very little OMGWANT when it comes to gaming. I've now moved that irrationality into watches and traveling.
200  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: You're In the Mood for A Drink. What's Your Pleasure? on: October 04, 2013, 01:13:20 AM

Quote from: Lee on October 04, 2013, 12:57:44 AM

I disagree, there is a time and place for everything. :-) But fair enough.

Agreed.

A couple of drinks in a social setting makes it absolutely better. That's just science.
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