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2761  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / HL2 Offline Mode -* First Post Edit *- on: November 16, 2004, 11:26:40 PM
Quote from: "Interloper"
Haha.  Gotta love this little blurb from valves website concerning Steam:

Steam consumers enjoy the benefit of starting their favorite applications within minutes of confirming their purchase.

They forgot to put the little asterisk and the fine print explaining that it doesn't apply on the day of purchase due to their complete lack of foresight and ineptitude.

Someone should be fired over this mess.

I am sure it will be the same person fired over the botched "sept 30th 2003" release date, or the lack of security that allowed code to be stolen - meaning no one.
2762  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / HL2 Offline Mode -* First Post Edit *- on: November 16, 2004, 11:25:11 PM
Quote from: "Animus"
Farley, are you installing Counterstrike too?

On my 3rd attempt - yes I am.  If that works I will amazed.  It gives an error that "hl2.ico" couldn't be found in a cab file when it does crash so I don't think it has anything to do with what I have chosen to install but what the heck.  It is easier and faster than running to Target to return the game.
2763  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / HL2 Offline Mode -* First Post Edit *- on: November 16, 2004, 11:15:29 PM
Quote from: "Sparhawk"
I think the problem isn't with the technology but how many servers they have and the amount of bandwidth available to them. If they had more resources at launch I think it would have gone off more smoothly. As it is though, we're screwed until more people are done unlocking the game. I wonder how many dialup folks are using steam right now; those people need to be logging off.

So forcing legal owners who have dial up off is somehow a good solution?

This is purely and completly Valve's fault.  With the unlocking and the early release you might have been able to blame VU or Best Buy but  this is all Valve's baby.
2764  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / HL2 Offline Mode -* First Post Edit *- on: November 16, 2004, 11:13:09 PM
Well I am currently making images with Alcohol 120% because the fucking install craps out on the 4th disk every time!  

I don't know if this will fix it but at least it will fail faster if I don't have to keep putting in the different disks!

Looks like I might get to run back to Target to return this POS!  I swear if they have Vampire out I won't be playing Valve's "masterpiece"

And this is before I even get to the joy of Steam!  Wonderful.  I have a whole night of joy to look forward to!
2765  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / HL2 Offline Mode -* First Post Edit *- on: November 16, 2004, 10:55:23 PM
Since my copy crapped out on the 4th fucking disk just now I think I will keep posing my hate in this thread !

 :twisted:  :evil:  :twisted:  :evil:  :twisted:  :evil:  :twisted:  :evil:  :twisted:


I am sure that if this problem becomes a known one Valve will nicely put out a message on their server saying that it was all VUs fault and that Valve didn't have anything to do with the production of the game.
2766  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / WHERE R TEH PIRAETD COPEIS OF HALF-LIEF 2?????!? OMG WTF on: November 16, 2004, 10:46:43 PM
Quote from: "SpaceLord"

Ah, right. What I *meant* was, the upcoming-hopefully-cool-mods-played-online-like-Team-Fortress-2-types-or-Day-of-Defeat will be hard to warez/hack.

Yes that is very true.  

I think most hard core pirates though know that on-line play is something they have to live without (much like dating smile )
2767  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / HL2 Offline Mode -* First Post Edit *- on: November 16, 2004, 10:44:21 PM
Serioulsy rather than being a saving grace of PC gaming which some people have seen Steam as I see it as just another nail in the coffin of PC games.

Like the average gamer is going to put up with this shit?  LOL.  Just anotther way that PC gaming alienates gamers.  Make games buggier, make manuals smaller, make boxes smaller, and now to add to the list - make it not just harder but impossible to play the game!  

Yeah this industry is just about to take off!!!
2768  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / HL2 Offline Mode -* First Post Edit *- on: November 16, 2004, 10:39:36 PM
Quote from: "Jeff Jones"
This is nothing more than the same "outrage" that takes place with virtually every MMORPG that's ever launched.  People bought the game, and OMFG THEY CAN"T PLAY IT BECAUSE THE SERVER WON"T WORK WTF OMG!

then 3 hours later, it does, and everyone plays.


Probably true.  But as someone who only plays single player games I am saddened by the fact that the same crap is now forced down my throat.
2769  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / HL2 Offline Mode -* First Post Edit *- on: November 16, 2004, 10:36:11 PM
Quote from: "olaf"
Yeah I would be pissed, and you have every right to be.  But hey we already take plenty of shit from publishers and retailers, why not shit from developers too?


Oh no....this new model will make it so much better.  Those evil lying publishers will never be able to make customer suffer again...

Same shit, different people.
2770  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / HL2 Offline Mode -* First Post Edit *- on: November 16, 2004, 08:43:22 PM
Quote from: "Ascendent"
Yes Steam has been around for a while but I can bet its never been hammered like this before. Besides the only games on steam were the CS games nothing as vast as HL2.


And of course this is our fault, just like it is our fault if Starforce doesn't work, or Safedisc, etc.

And people wonder why hackers are so common...
2771  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / HL2 Offline Mode -* First Post Edit *- on: November 16, 2004, 08:39:08 PM
Quote from: "Ascendent"
I know its a pain in the ass. I'm sorry you aren't able to play right now. But this is brand new to them and I'm sure they didn't expect it to be that bad. They should of known? Maybe but this is new and with all things new there's going to be a few bumps. You will get to play your shiny copy of HL2 soon I'm sure just be patient.


Why should I be patient?  They created a system to make themselves more money (by not using VU for distribution) and now the consumer is getting screwed out of playing a game they legally bought.
2772  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / WHERE R TEH PIRAETD COPEIS OF HALF-LIEF 2?????!? OMG WTF on: November 16, 2004, 06:32:16 PM
Quote from: "SpaceLord"
Does it seem to everyone else that since Valve can pretty much change the game around any way they want, at any time, that hacked versions would quick working as fast as Valve decided?

(I'm not a coder, I am a "network guy") biggrin

No.  Remember HL2 has no MP it is single player only so pirates can have the hacked working version of HL2 and not worry about what Valve does.  

I will say that if my SP version of HL2 requires that I connect all the time because Valve decided to make some tweak I will be very, very pissed.
2773  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / [Review Discussion] Vampire The Masquerade - Bloodlines on: November 16, 2004, 02:53:45 PM
Due to Troika's history with huge freaking bugs I think it is fair to ask....did you encounter any?  

I love their games but until someone specifically addresses this issue I will wait for user/player reviews.
2774  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / HL2: Steam vs Retail on: November 15, 2004, 08:57:39 PM
Another reason at this long does it take all 5 gigs to download?

Will it be done on my connection by tomorrow when I could buy it in the store and play it or will I be waiting days and days for it to finish downloading before I can play?
2775  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / HL2: Steam vs Retail on: November 15, 2004, 06:41:41 PM
Quote from: "Hetz"
Getting the reatil makes no sense to me at all. There is no manual and unless you really love boxes, it just seems like a huge waste of money.

You get all the Steam backcatalog and the exclusive DoD: Source with the Steam package. You also get to stick it to their lame ass publisher and support Valve 100%...

It's a no brainer.

Well I have a brain and I am buying retail.  smile

Why?  I am a game seller.  After I finish the SP of HL2 I intend to sell it to some other lucky soul so I really can't buy the on-line version.
2776  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Vivendi blocks HL2 unlocks on: November 14, 2004, 10:41:11 PM
1. Alll you have is a quote by Valve about what VU won't do - and considering the crap these two have thrown at each other I wouldn't trust either of them

2. Lets say they are blocking it because that is what was legally agreed to....that is their right.  Why the hell would they want to allow it to be released early when all stores are not selling it yet?

Look at my situation for example - no stores around me have broken the date so if VU let it be released I still couldn't play...unless I bought through Steam!  Which doesn't make any money for why would they want that?

If people should be mad at anyone it should be Best Buy since they are the only ones who actually acted in violation of their contracts.  They were not suposed to sell until the 16th and the sold early - this is totally their fault.
2777  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / I have Half-Life 2 in my hand on: November 14, 2004, 02:59:39 PM
Quote from: "Tony"
Quote from: "Ranulf"
Quote from: "Tony"

The box says, "Internet Connection Required."

Yeah, so? Thats pretty vague. Its not like it actually says on the outside of the box: "YOU CAN NOT PLAY THE GAME UNTIL 11/16/04 when we turn on the authorization servers".

Valve is worried about being sued further, I think they still have a lawsuit against sierra/VU going, if BB broke the date Valve/VU can sue them for breach of contract or Valve could sue VU for breach if it was stated that steam/retail sales' activiation doesn't start until 11/16.

Actually, if you look a little further down on the box, it says, "You Can Not Play the Game Until 11/16/04, and if you get this game before then, it's Vivendi's fault you bitches!"

LOL!  Now that would be a clearly written disclaimer.
2778  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: OK I GIVE! IM OVERLOADED on: November 13, 2004, 01:00:48 AM
Quote from: "HankRaptor"
Am I alone here? or has this been the best year for gaming EVER?

1. Burnout 3
2. Halo 2
3. GTA: SA
4. RandC UYA
5. JAK 3
9. Katamari Damacy

All of these games will/have been released in the last quarter... quite a time to be a gamer.

When Im ignoring many releases... I know I have too much...

I got overloaded this week with Halo 2.  I still have a ton of games waiting and now I just have more....and Half-Life 2 is waiting for me next week.

I am just hoping there is the typical winter lul in Feb, March, and April.  I can catch up then.
2779  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / LotR: The Third Age...anyone played it? on: November 12, 2004, 06:38:09 PM
You can check out this thread


this two page thread  about the game.
2780  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Microsoft to release three versions of Xbox 2 on: November 12, 2004, 03:29:22 PM
Quote from: "HankRaptor"

Tebunker says.
I'm not so bothered by the 3 versions as I am by the Autumn 2005 lauch frame. 4 years is too short a lifespan for one generation of hardware. I know some of you PC die-hards will laugh at that, but I want 5 to 6 years out of my consoles.

I think that coming out first can have a very big Dreamcast-like effect on the XBox-next and having multiple versions would hurt even more.


SIX YEARS?????? Thats a bit extreme is it not? Technology has increased 10 fold in that time.

I buy a new PC JUST ABOUT every 3 years. I went from a p3 500- p4- 3 mhz.. that is an increase 6x if you wait 6 years its 12x.. do 10x is FAIR..

Ill give you 4 years and phased out by 5 but 6????

I think that is the reason people get into consoles (or one of them).  The cost of continual upgrades isn't worth it.  They like the idea of buying one piece of hardware and not having to think about upgrades.  Now MS seems to be shooting that down as a stratagy.
2781  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Half Life 2 released in Savannah Georgia on: November 11, 2004, 09:49:25 PM
Quote from: "msduncan"

Also: someone over on OO forums are reporting that they've found reports of people getting the game early but can't play it due to the Steam lock.... so you must be right LordEbonstone!

So what is the point in having a "launch" day when stores can sell the game?  Just sell the game but don't let people play! smile  Bet that wouldn't piss off consumers very much.....
2782  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: No Movie for you! on: November 11, 2004, 08:51:14 PM
Quote from: "whispa"
ABC pulls "Saving Private Ryan" to avoid complaints

Thanks Janet!

LOL!  I love it.  

This is the "moral values" kind of thing people want.  They voted for it and now they get it.
2783  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Microsoft to release three versions of Xbox 2 on: November 11, 2004, 06:49:33 PM
It seems dumb to me on the surface.

No new Xbox "Next" games will use the HD if it isn't standard on all Xboxes.  Why would you put extra development dollars into something that only a part of your users could use?  For example look at DVDs for game releases.  Companies don't bother because they see no value in doing so.  They put out a game on CD and people with cd drives - and DVD drives can use it.   Same with the HD on the Xbox 2.  If you make your game work without it then everyone can use it.

The whol 3rd option of a basic PC.....the reason people buy consoles is to get away from having to figure out a PC.  Have the web TV units done well?  People don't want a PC on their TV particularly.

All this does is create confusion and the best thing about consoles (well it used to be) was simlicity.  You plugged it in and worked with all games for that console.   Now you plug it in and....well if you have the Xbox HD it will work but not if you have the basic one, or you put in the game and it will work on your basic one but with lots of cool features disabled.
2784  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Edit: Make me want an Xbox - and tell me what I should know on: November 10, 2004, 03:31:46 AM
Ummmm.....its big.....

What I am looking forward to

Halo 2.  Yeah well what can I say?  It just is so great.

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 2 (yeah it will be out for the PC in a few months but I actually think it played better on the Xbox.  The controls were just...suited to the Xbox)

Jade Empire.  Don't know if it is coming fo the PC but who could wait?

Not an overwhelming number of them but they are each worth thier wait in gold to me.

I am sure there are fan boys who can list every game for the next year but that is my list
2785  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Gamestop - Wow on: November 10, 2004, 03:04:30 AM
And I thought I figured it out becuase Evil Avatar is reporting that TGamespot told the street date of the Nintendo DS

I guess I am not Sherlock Holmes
2786  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Gamestop - Wow on: November 10, 2004, 02:36:27 AM
I feel like I am looking at one of those stupid 3d images thing...where everyone looks at it and says "oh, a boat!" and I can't see squat...
2787  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines Hands-On Preview on: November 09, 2004, 10:06:55 PM
Quote from: "Rage"
Hey Ron!!!

Is this still looking like an 11/15 release?

According to Bluesnews it will be released on the 16th as well as HL2

Santa Monica, CA – November 9, 2004 – The bloodletting begins on November 16, 2004 with the shipping of Activision, Inc.’s (Nasdaq: ATVI) Vampire®: The Masquerade – Bloodlines™ for the PC.

An all-new RPG adventure, Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines is filled with rich character development, an intriguing storyline set in White Wolf’s World of Darkness®, and mind-blowing graphics powered by Source™ - Valve’s next generation engine technology. It will take a vicious array of vampire disciplines and a healthy penchant for blood, for players to survive the dark and gritty undying world of modern day L.A. Selecting from one of seven clans, gamers will interact with other characters, decide with whom to ally themselves, and watch as darkness takes over their soul while a mysterious plot unfolds.
2788  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Official Half-Life 2 Time of Release!!! on: November 08, 2004, 01:28:21 PM
Quote from: "Valael"
I don't think releasing it 3 hours earlier is going to make any difference.  The people that actually line up for a midnight sale are the people that are so hardcore, they're going to get it anyways.

I guess I assume that marketing has some clue on how to generate more sales, they might actually be able to show that having these midnight sales works....

Unless you just assume that every store that does a midnight maddness sale is stupid.  They do it for music, games, and movies so I believe by now they would have data to show if it is profitable.
2789  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Official Half-Life 2 Time of Release!!! on: November 08, 2004, 02:52:22 AM
So that means stores (at least on the East Coast, and Central) can't do midnight sales like they are for Halo 2

That is dumb.  I wonder what marketing genius came up with that idea?  "huge release...lets make it hard to build hype and get people buying..."
2790  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 05, 2004, 09:37:15 PM
Well I think we are farther ahead then most conversations I have had about this.  smile

I actually think that Butterknife and I mostly agree on the outline of how laws are suposed to be created and vetted against the constitution.

As for the whole "morality" of homosexuality....well I think that moves out of a logical discussion to one based on belief which I think is very hard to rationalize.
2791  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 05, 2004, 08:40:44 PM
Quote from: "Butterknife"
If that is your understanding as well then what is the problem when the courts say that laws against gay marrige are unconstitutional?

I agree with you.  If the court says that laws against gay marriage are unconstitutional (Supreme Court will undoubtedly hear this one at some point in the near future) then I would support their decision.  Doesn't mean I would agree with it, but I would support it (hopefully that makes sense).

One other thing -- I think the Bill of Rights is fantastic.  It is what makes the Constitution so cool.  Otherwise, like you say, the "will of the majority" would be a "tyranny of the majority".

Fair enough.

I am worried that, unlike you, many people would instead claim that the court was being "activist" and trying to make law rather than interpret.  

That is the rallying cry conservatives used to denounce the MA Supreme Court that ruled on the subject.
2792  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 05, 2004, 08:16:50 PM
Quote from: "Butterknife"
farley -- I learned the same thing you did.  But democracy, and voting, is a "will of the majority" system.  If they didn't want the majority to make the decisions, they shouldn't have allowed people to vote.

The Bill of Rights is there to counterbalance the system (checks and balances, remember).  It protects the minorities from the will of the majority.  Note, though, that certain things people think are their rights are not specifically stated in our laws as a right, and so therefore are not actually protected from the will of the majority.  Marriage is one of these things.

Cross posting... smile

Who decides which things are protected?  My government class taught me that it is the courts.  They look at laws and judge if a law violates the constitution.  Once again - is this the same as you learned?

If that is your understanding as well then what is the problem when the courts say that laws against gay marrige are unconstitutional?
2793  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 05, 2004, 08:12:57 PM
Quote from: "Butterknife"

Nonetheless, I believe that the majority has the right to make laws.  Mostly because I believe that the majority of people, in most cases, will "do the right thing".  And, because I can't think of anything that would work better slywink

So the constitution means nothing to you?  Seriously...not don't have a problem if the majority makes laws which violate the consitution?  (as my examples did)

Your vision of what America is has not inalieable rights?  No protection of free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, right to bear arms, etc.?

I feel like I must be missing something.  I see two choices

1. You honestly don't care about the contitution

2. I am not understanding you.

If it is one...I guess we will have to agree to disagree (until I can get the majority to believe you should be thrown in jail for no reason... smile )

If it is two please explain your position a bit more.
2794  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 05, 2004, 08:06:25 PM
More thoughts -

Ok this is what I learned in school...tell me if you learned something else.

The Pilgrims came to the new world because they were a minority and they didn't like the fact that the majority was persecuting them.  

The founding fathers didn't like the idea of the majority being able to take away fundemental rights so they specifically setup the constitution so that certain rights were protected - from the will of the majority.  For example they felt that everyone had the right to practice the religion they felt in their heart so they made sure that freedom of religion was something the majority couldn't take away.  

Now that is my understanding of the planning behind America  - is that radically different than others?
2795  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 05, 2004, 08:00:10 PM
Quote from: "Butterknife"
And I think bigotry is morally wrong but sadly I seem to be in the minority on that

No more bigoted than making a law against murder.

Bad example.  Since murder takes away another person's right to "life, lliberty and the pursuit of happiness" it is not hard to argue it should be illegal.
2796  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 05, 2004, 07:58:24 PM
Quote from: "Butterknife"
hehehe -- OK, I get it now, the religion thing is just baiting.  Forgive me for rising to it.   I honestly thought there were some of you attempting to understand.

I for one was trying to get real information.  I find it baffaling and was enjoying the real dialogue about the subject.


Now, on to the actual subject.  Homosexuality is morally wrong, as far as I am concerned.  We have every right as Americans to make laws against things that we believe to be morally wrong.  For example, I'd say 99% of Americans believe murder to be morally wrong.  Therefore, we have laws against murder.  But, undoubtedly, a small percentage of the population believes murder to be OK.  As far as those few people are concerned, it is "wrong" to make a law against murder.

America is ruled by the majority, not the minority.  Majorities, in theory, make the rules.  At the same time, the Bill of Rights is meant to protect the minorities against the majorities (who often need the protection).  The question becomes, then, whether or not marriage is a right.  We have certain rights in this country, but I believe you'd have a hard time proving that marriage is a right (my argument from the beginning).  If it is not a right, then the American majority can make a law forbidding marriage to homosexuals.

I think this is a place we disagree.  I believe that our country was founded specifically so that majorities couldn't dictate laws.  The Constitution was setup exactly to for that reason.  We didn't want the "tryanny of the masses"

One of the blessings of being an American is that there are certain rights which cannot be taken away just because the "majority" wants them taken away.  


Personally, I think it's great that majorities decide the laws, not minorities.  Although I am in the majority on this particular issue, I often find that I am in a minority on other issues.  But I would still fiercely argue that the majority has every right to govern and make the laws -- it is the fundamental principle of democracy.

Really?  So if the majority of people said that all dwarves, blind people, mental handicapped people should be forced to be sterilized so they couldn't have children you would be fine with that?

If the "majority" said that blacks couldn't vote you would be fine with that?

If the "majority" said that women didn't have the right to vote you would be fine with that?
2797  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 05, 2004, 06:56:03 PM
Quote from: "Jeff Jones"
Quote from: "JCC"
I just don't get why the people who are so passionately opposed to gay marriage CARE at all about it. Why?! How does it affect your life or your marriage? I just don't get it.

Because the religious right considers homosexuality "an abomination in the eyes of God", and they consider marriage to be a holy union in the eyes of God. To combine the two, in their view, is a devilish blasphemy. Some would even see it as a sign of apocalyptic doom. (seriously).

Wait....wouldn't combining the two be a neutral?  smile
2798  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / HL2 has no manual on: November 05, 2004, 06:17:03 PM
I think for me it is just an example of my getting less for the same price.  Sure it isn't needed, but it was something I used to get.  Now that I don't get it I am getting less, but I am still paying the same amount.  As a consumer that makes me feel like I am being ripped off (a little anyway)
2799  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / LOTR: TTA (More impressions please!) on: November 05, 2004, 04:20:35 PM
I have only played about 15 minutes but I was not overly impressed.  I think I am in the minority but I thougth the graphics were pretty poor.  Maybe it was because I had just been playing Shadow Hearts: Covenant but I didn't really like the look of TTA.  

And they keep talking about showing the turn order as though this is such a revolution - unseen since FF10....well as I said I was just playing SH:C and it has it so again I wasn't blown away by TTA having it.

All in all I guess I agree the the Gamespy review - an average RPG with a cool movie tie in.
2800  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / New EGM Scores (Careful...some Halo 2 SPOILERS within) on: November 05, 2004, 02:50:30 PM
Well at least I will have a lot of good games to play very soon.
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