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1  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / LOST - 11/10/04 on: November 11, 2004, 07:59:14 PM

Although, I am a little bit thrown off by Locke's behavior.  And also the fact that if it was the French chic, why didn't she drug him when she clocked him over the head?

No one knows what Locke gained on the island, and he definately has an interest in staying there.

I thought he gained the ability to walk?
2  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / LOST - 11/10/04 on: November 11, 2004, 06:42:36 PM
Poor Sawyer, he turns into the man he hates.  So now he wreaks that hate onto everyone else.

I'll agree the kiss was amazing until you realize that Kate tossed what little dignity she had into the ocean, and that Sawyer truly is a slimeball for even asking for a kiss.  If he wanted to profit, fine.  Ask for somthing mutually valuable that can be redeemed later on.

Kate should have spit in his face when he asked for the kiss the second time, and had Sayid come back in and take his eyes out.

And as for he being attractive.  I thought women looked for more than mere good looks in men.  I recall hearing that over and over and over and over from someone . . . .
3  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Firefox 1.0 (official) released on: November 11, 2004, 06:02:27 PM
Quote from: "Sepiche"
Quote from: "Zero"
Quote from: "Sepiche"
Bah, Opera is still better. smile


But is it free?  :lol:

Um... yeah. smile


I installed Firefox back in beta.  I'll agree that it's better than IE, but that's not really saying much, is it?

I'd gladly, and I do every couple of years, pay out the $36 to have Opera.  It has some bugs, but it the only browser for me  smile
4  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 11, 2004, 05:49:11 PM
It seems that this whole issue comes down to two sides:  It's a sin and it's not a sin.

Proven facts:  

1)  Murder, bad
2)  Stealing, bad
3)  Raping, bad
4)  Lying, bad
5)  Slavery, bad

These all could be called "sin", well, they are.  But for the sake of my argument, "sin" because they all do one thing:  Cause another person unprovoked harm or damage.

Does having consensual sex constitute "harming or damaging someone unprovoked"?

Let's just face it:  People who believe something simply because another person says its true because his uncle's brother's aunt's father's dog's owner says he heard it was the "Word of the Almighty" GeeOD, that person is nothing more than a sheep.  Oh wait, they want to be sheep led to the slaughter!  I forgot.
5  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / LOST - 11/10/04 on: November 11, 2004, 05:14:02 PM
Quote from: "Easily Satisfied"
I think the torture was a little over the top.
Think it showed alot about Sawyer that should have changed people's minds about him. I know it changed mine.

Don't know how I feel about Sayid. I thought it was admirable that he walked away at the end, but we will see what happens when he turns the corner and finds a nudist resort, will he come back for the others ?  biggrin


He was leaving so Sawyer wouldn't slash his throat in the middle of the night.  However much I think Sayeed/Sayid is honorable in the warrior's sense, I don't think his action dictates a noble attitude toward his fellow islanders.

Now the nudist resort.  We ALL know that he'd only come back for the prego, hot-con, and the beautiful asian lady  biggrin
6  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / LOST - 11/10/04 on: November 11, 2004, 03:21:23 PM
Quote from: "gameoverman"
Eh, I thought this was one of the weaker episodes. The potential was great, the execution was lacking.


My main beefs: Who would believe Sawyer when he said he didn't have the meds? I'd have tortured him till I was satisfied that he didn't have them.  Which brings me to my next point- once you torture someone, you CANNOT let them go free when they have easy access to you for revenge. Once they went the torture route, they HAD to kill him, if only out of self preservation. They're stuck on that island and they have to sleep sometime, Sawyer can pounce on them when they're vulnerable. Also Sawyer has f'd with them from the beginning, this time by making them waste time and effort while a girl was DYING for all Sawyer knew, I don't buy the mercy they show him. The doc even saves his life for crying out loud!  So Sayid stabs him, then runs for the doc's kit so they can save him?!?! Okay, whatever.

Agreed.  Jack needs some balls.  "Okay, Sayeed, torture him, oh but don't hurt him."  Come on!!  

Sawyer is a thorn that needs to be removed.  I'm totally against pack mentality, but Sawyer is an obvious rabid dog.  Sayeed of all people should have known this and finished the job.
7  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / World Religious Books on: November 11, 2004, 03:11:10 PM
I'm looking to teach my four year old daughter about religions.  

She goes to a really really nice woman whom my wife and I just adore -- the only thing we have an issue with is her teaching our daughter about religion, Jesus to be specific.

We understand that living in America that this can't be avoided, but after spending close to three years at a conservative evangelical bible college I insist on accurately portraying religion in, my opinion, a factual light instead of mythicizing it.  

My game plan is to expose her to various religions and to teach her which religion is prominent in which part of the world.  My goal is to help her understand that many people believe many diffent things.

She understands that monsters, witches, fairies, etc aren't real, but they make excellent stories.  Right now, my wife and I have come to the conclusion that she thinks all this talk about religion is reality.

So, my question:  I know of many christian children's teaching tools such as books, movies, etc, but are there any out there for hinduism, or buddhism, or islam, or a whole slew of other thought beliefs?

Any constructive help or ideas would be helpful.  Thanks.

Draegun :?:
8  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / What happens when the U.S. has overdrawn its loans? on: November 09, 2004, 05:07:40 PM
Quote from: "Laner"
Quote from: "Falator"
How about we invade a country for no reason to get our population's minds away from "non-important" issues? wait a second... :?

Or make up conspiracy theories to get the population's mind off of it.  That'll work too.

Or, we could have our heads up our asses . . .
9  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Cherry Vanilla Dr Pepper on: November 09, 2004, 04:34:54 PM

One of my favorite drinks of all time from Sonic is the 44oz Cherry Vanilla Dr. Pepper w/ 2 cherries.  And what do you know!!!  A freaking cherry vanilla Dr. pepper in a can.  

Can it get any better?
10  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / What happens when the U.S. has overdrawn its loans? on: November 09, 2004, 04:22:11 PM
11  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 04, 2004, 05:08:52 PM
Without looking up all the sources, so correct me if I stray

Can't we thank the humanist from the late 19th century for slavery being abolished and christians today thinking that it's wrong?
12  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 04, 2004, 04:39:08 PM
Quote from: "Butterknife"
I don't know whether I'm rising to the bait here, or just trying to enlighten those who truly don't know, but here it is as simple as I can make it.

Old Testament -- Law of Moses (the Ten Commandments).  Mostly still followed by Jewish religions today, although some traditions are different.

New Testament -- Law of Christ (for lack of a better term).  Christ taught that several of the old laws should be changed.  For example, the principle "Eye for an eye" of the Old Testament law, was changed to "Turn the other cheek", a New Testament law.  Christianity today comes from the New Testament and the Old (the 10 Commandments in Exodus are still accepted, for example), but where there is conflict, the New Testament supersedes the Old Testament.

So, most of the laws and traditions in Exodus and Leviticus, from which the above (very funny, I might add!) post were superseded later by the new laws established by Christ.

Thread hijackers!

taking the bait, butterknife  biggrin

But all for another thread . . .

Back to Paul then.  Why are there not laws outlawing women from teaching, or speaking in the church?  Give me a reason why these issues are so happily smoothed over, but homosexuals are chastized.

Man, I'd love to use references from the OT, but again, another thread  :twisted:
13  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Shrek 2 DVD - Why on Friday? on: November 04, 2004, 04:28:04 PM
It's a sin not to get the massive 200 oz soda at a movie.  Without it, you don't get the burning bladder, squeeze, squirm effect.  And then once the movie's over the ten minutes of urination in the head.

It's a tradition.
14  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 04, 2004, 04:19:36 PM
Quote from: "jonsauce"
lmao Gryndal
Funniest stuff I've read in awhile
bahahah, classic...
'should I smite them?'
dang, thats good

I found the email funny, but you do realize that just because it is in the bible doesn't mean it is a part of Christian practices right?

 :roll:  It's in the bible and the bible in its original text was/is infalliable.  It came from the Lord God, whichever personality he was presenting at the time . . .  so okay, it's not relevant to use the Pentateuch, what about Paulian theory.  The christian church today does in a way worship this guy.  I would think that they would at least want to be consistent:  Ban homosexuals they should also ban their women from talking in church.

15  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Blockbuster = St00pid on: November 04, 2004, 04:01:04 PM
Stopped using Blockbuster when Netflix came out.  And if I want a game, its much cheaper to get it off of
16  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / (P) Ashcroft resignation... on: November 04, 2004, 03:55:51 PM
Quote from: "El Guapo"

If Ashcroft left, that would be great.  But hopefully Powell will choose to stay.  From my limited knowledge, he seems to be the moderating force within the Bush admin.
17  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Kerry concedes on: November 04, 2004, 02:49:08 PM
Quote from: "morlac"
Quote from: "-Lord Ebonstone-"
Quote from: "slackerjoe"
Way to go, W! biggrin

The only thing better than W's decisive victory is the angst and depression it is causing in American liberals, Euopean leftists, and of course your friendly neighborhood terrorists.

As I believe someone already mentioned: Scoreboard, suckers!

Damn, this feels good today. smile
At least your bimbo chimp president lets us all own guns.

Expect to be sucking on the end of a rifle if your idiot boy starts fucking up this country any more.

Unless Bush really turns things around and brainwashes people in the "other direction," the only way to uproot the sheer ignorance in this country is through civil war with the intended outcome of the genocide of the Conservative Christians and the Religious Right.

Right now, violence looks like the answer.  Hopefully Bush's religious bent was all a vote collection gag, but if it's not, I have absolutely no qualms in risking my life to overthrow this government or cede from the union.

The founding fathers are spinning in their graves.

Heil Herr Bush.

then Lord  in another thread(gay marriage ban in 11 states):

Just as a side-note:

People like E_L_K are why R&P discussions should be banned on this forum. Inevitably, internet R&P discussion attracts the scum of the earth who want to post violently unpopular ideas that would have them beaten to a pulp in public. Scared and huddling in their parents' basement, they type their racist, bigoted fears out onto the computer screen in a hope of getting some kind of sick gratification when they have to defend their fetid, broken ideas.

There's a Klan out there for people like you, Koala. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if you weren't already a part of it.

Contradict much?

Back to Koala:

I don't agree with Koala, but greggy_D is right, he isn't expressing anything bigoted or racist.

Regarding LE's comments:   :cry:

What can we as nation do to unify ouselves?  or is it even possible?  The country is split 50/50 regarding religious Politics and whatever the other side has to offer, which isn't much.  Actually it's quite the same politics, but just not with the religious undertone.  

IMHO, we need a completely fresh look at politics -- a strong third party, four would be even better.  Let all the right-wingers run to the Constitution party, all the left wing socialist run to the green party, the anarchic-libertarians to the Libertarian party, etc.  This crap of everyone trying to consolidate into two parties, and no one truly having their voice heard -- we need to break up the polarization.
18  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / (P) Ashcroft resignation... on: November 04, 2004, 02:16:32 PM
How about Ashcroft for Pres in 2008?!
19  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Kerry concedes on: November 03, 2004, 09:46:42 PM
Quote from: "-Lord Ebonstone-"
I'll take this opportunity to say the USA is ass fucked--because in two years with the Patriot Act Filtering Servers running strong, chances are the mention of sodomy would result in my incarceration.

Seriously, no kidding, the second I have the means to leave this piece of shit country, I will.  Bush didn't steal the election this time, and that makes me sick--there really are enough nutjobs in this country to re-elect him, and that's why I'm getting the fuck out.

I'll stay for a Civil War, though.  Ironically, this is the first time I've felt willing to give my life for my country.

LE, bravo!  Not for the leaving the country part, my wife and I do contemplate this though, but for the civil war part.  Sadly, and very sadly, I personally feel that within my lifetime I will see my countrymen fight one another.  A part of me wants this.  The country is philosophically split and getting worse;  the country is too damn big to truly govern effectively; the country is too damn big to have a true voice in that government.  

Is this nihilistic of me?  Most likely.  But sometimes the truth sucks.
20  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / One handed keyboards.... on: November 03, 2004, 08:55:54 PM
Like a brail or a dictation machine?  Cool.
21  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Kerry concedes on: November 03, 2004, 08:50:11 PM
Quote from: "Foxmerc"
Obviously, no one here who supported Kerry did him the service of listening to his speech, or heeding his words if you did. I got news...Bush's policies aren't bringing the US down, the election isn't bringing the US down, nothing, not even the mud-flinging fantasies about the candidates, is bringing down the US. You know what will eventually lead to the US being weakened? and the continuation of shamefully venomous political "discussion" like this.

   Kerry, even in defeat, called for the US to stand united. You know why? Because people are too damn intolerant and stupid to realize that this is part of the democratic process and -- oh my god! -- there are more important things. I truly miss the "United we stand" mentality of post-9/11. If Bush and Kerry, the two REASONS for this split opposition, can be civil, gracious, and call for one America again, why the hell can't all you?

   As for all these amazing predictions for the future, anyone here who has held a high-level political position abroad and domestic, raise your hand. Other than that, all you have is abstract information by biased media to go on. None of us know crap about what will happen. It just suits your purpose to be bleak, right?

Ah yes, "united we stand", but as long as you are heterosexual, attend church, support the murder of thousands upon thousands of innocent lives who had absolutely NOTHING NOTHING to do with 9/11.

We bleeding heart liberals aren't passing the laws to keep people from doing things that hurt no one.  We aren't the one forcing the nation to bow down to our morals, heh, most of us don't have any, but that's beside the point.  In order to stand united, we must bow down to the great white god of washington.  Fuck that.  I'm too libertarian for that nonsense.  Live and let live, but if they step on your toes too many times  . . .
22  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 03, 2004, 08:14:10 PM
Quote from: "Sepiche"
Quote from: "draegun"
Ironic don't you think that we're anticipating a war with Iran when our country seems to admire their politics so much.

Thanks man.  First smile I've had today. smile


Glad I could be of some assistance  biggrin  

I was disappointed this morning by the news of Bush defeating Kerry -- didn't really want either, but the news of my own state passing such a Talibani law!!!  Geez.  I was righteously angry.  Can an agnostic be righteously anything, but hell, I was livid!!
23  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 03, 2004, 08:08:57 PM
It'll never happen.   frown

The church is gaining back ground that it has fought for so long to hold onto:  The human spirit under its thumb.
24  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Kate Hudson. Wow. [56k] on: November 03, 2004, 07:58:26 PM
Jesus is da man, then!
25  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / One handed keyboards.... on: November 03, 2004, 07:53:22 PM
:oops:  yes  :oops:
26  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Ban on Gay Marriage a winner in 11 states. on: November 03, 2004, 07:50:12 PM
Ironic don't you think that we're anticipating a war with Iran when our country seems to admire their politics so much.
27  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Kerry concedes on: November 03, 2004, 07:30:04 PM
Just curious:  What does it mean to be socially conservative?

I'm not gay.  I'm not religious.  I don't do drugs.  I don't have too much raucous sex, and not with anyone who isn't my wife.  I teach my kids that courtesy and respect are fundemental to being a human.  

Perhaps to be a social conservative I need to force others to believe in what I believe in.  Perhaps it means to make it illegal to fall in love or enjoy yourself.  Perhaps it means that I can live a double standard -- talk about tolerance and love for my fellow neighbor, but in action treat them with contempt and scorn, and requiring them to subject themselves to my archaic morals.

Tell me, please, what does it mean . . . [edit] I am being somewhat, okay a lot, sarcastic -- but I truly don't understand what it means to be socially conservative.  I grew up in Oklahoma within a Southern Baptist household, I went to Bible College out in Oregon -- but what I experienced and came to understand was that these ideals that were implanted in me were surpressive not liberating.  I'm equating social conservative to Christianity.  Is this correct??  If so, I don't see how this could be a good thing.
28  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / One handed keyboards.... on: November 03, 2004, 05:51:44 PM
Cool stuff.  But, good god!  Those things are all over 350 pounds sterling.  Crimmie!!
29  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Kerry concedes on: November 03, 2004, 04:44:46 PM
I guess I'll be going to the store to stock up on survival supplies tonight:

plastic sheet
duck tape
rifle and rounds
bottled water
charcoal filtered masks
bug detectors
encrypted cell phones
Oh, and a Heil Bush arm badge
30  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [P] Fox News projects Ohio to Bush on: November 03, 2004, 04:37:56 PM
Quote from: "Greggy_D"
It's funny that all the Dems that were crying about abolishing the Electoral College (and using the popular vote) in 2000 are now crying that they want to use it.  All because George W whupped them by 3 million votes in the popular vote.

3 whole million votes??  Wow.  That's a lot.  What is it . . . 1% of the national population.  Whupped, indeed.
31  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / (p) Why everyone should NOT vote.... on: November 03, 2004, 04:26:06 PM
Quote from: "olaf"
I think it is too easy to vote.

I dont think you should be able to vote unless you pay taxes.  I also dont think you should be able to vote if you cant handle a scantron type ballot that asks a few control questions like who are the current senators for your state.


You elitist  :wink:

You're trying to divide the country with your talk of voter qualifications!!

if it was based on popular majority, i dont think states like north dakota or wyoming would even know who was running because there would be no campaign dollars spent there.

Is this a bad thing??

They'd probably just nominate their local paster to lead them to the promised land.
32  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / I had a dream about dbt last night... on: November 03, 2004, 02:53:53 PM

Of course, she's hot.  We're talking about dbt.  And she even carries a shot gun  :lol:
33  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Why everyone should vote: on: November 03, 2004, 02:36:53 PM

Excellent article regarding Bush.  

Nameless, I'm going to disagree with you once more  :oops:  and tell you that I personally think that Bush is brilliant -- consistent for me -- however much I dislike the man.  This article gives a great point regarding his "act?".

Kerry got all those votes he did, not because he was a great politician, but simply because people hate Bush so much.  But Bush is going to win, again, dispite half the country hating him.  

:idea: He's a fucking cult figure. :idea:

Damn!  I just thought of it!!  He's going to start an American Taliban.  Why didn't I see it before???
34  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Why everyone should vote: on: November 03, 2004, 02:07:55 PM
Wow!  When I went to bed a midnight, Michigan was in the hands of Bush.  
WTF!  In a good way.  I didn't vote for Kerry, but in my heart I wanted him to beat Bush.  

That almost makes me feel better about this state . . .  almost.  I found out this morning that we're a state half-full of bigots!!!!  55% voted for prop 2, which outlaws gay marriage and quite possibly common law marriages, as well -- still researching that aspect.  

Confusing though, we vote for Kerry and yet vote for Bush morally.  People are inconsistent sheep.
Heeding conservative Republicans and many religious leaders, Michigan voters on Tuesday were overwhelmingly approving a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage

35  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Who did you vote for today? on: November 02, 2004, 09:07:33 PM
Haven't voted yet.  Drove by the school this morning, there was a line out the door.  

Most likely, It'll be worse after work.  Damn!

I'm not voting for a president.  But we have some uber-conservative bill regarding marriages that'll I'll vote NO on.
36  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Why everyone should vote: on: November 02, 2004, 08:20:32 PM
Ask JSHAW about taxation without representation.  Sounds like he already has that and he DID vote.

What we're discussing is just the lump on the log.
37  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Why everyone should vote: on: November 02, 2004, 08:04:44 PM
Posted: Tue Nov 02, 2004 3:11 pm    Post subject:  

But you have to pass an American government class in order to graduate. So you already have to display a minimum level of competency. People come out of high school having just passed exactly what you're asking for. And I would contend that the average high school voter is probably a crappy one (ie apathy, distance from any real issues, etc).  

That's crap.  If knowing how to wipe your ass without getting shit on it constitutes the minimum level of competency, then yes, I agree.  99.9% of the stuff I know about American politics/history I learned after I was out of school.

I'm not talking about forced testing or forced classes.  You have a test with fairly simple questions about the process in which we live.  You want to vote?  Then you'll pass this test.  Personally, I'd make it a fucking hard ass test.  Name all the presidents.  How many electoral votes are there?  What's the difference between democracy and democratic republics and socialism and communism blah blah.  Real nuts and bolts shit, but I'm only saying to have a simple test for the average sheep to pass before being allowed to vote.

My son had to take many hours worth of class and take several test in order to get his driving license, but no one gripes about the social ramifications of that!  But you ask someone to pass an exam or pay a fee to vote -- something just as consequentially dangerous as allowing a  person behind the wheel -- and people talk about how will split society.

You're right.  It will split society up into two major groups:  Responsible Voters and Lazy Stupid Non-voters -- in a perfect world  :wink:
38  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Why everyone should vote: on: November 02, 2004, 06:58:10 PM
Just because someone is forced to take Civics in High Prison, doesn't necessarily mean they have knowledge of the process.  

Hell, I took Algebra 1 and 2 and Chem 1 and 2 in high school.  Do you think I know a damn thing about those two subjects even though I took two years of classes ?????

I had no motivation to learn or remember what I did learn.  If I was told today that in ninety days I could earn 100k a year as a chemist, but all I had to do was pass a test stating I understood the fundementals of chemistry and math -- damn skippy! I'm going to be burning the midnight oil.

The difference is that the onus is on me to produce the knowledge and follow through with it.
39  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Why everyone should vote: on: November 02, 2004, 04:26:04 PM
Quote from: "Nameless"
But you're setting an unrealistic standard.  If you asked the 'average American' to spend time researching every issue before they voted, which part of their responsibility would you have them drop?  I mean, people are so busy that they don't even have time to sleep, and you want them to research issues, take tests, etc?

I agree with you that it would be nice if people were more educated on issues, but I disagree that it can be a requirement.  What happens is, if people feel strongly enough about something, they vote.  If not, they don't.  So in a sense, you do only get people that actually have an opinion.

Putting requirements around voting, though, is creating a group of 'elite' members of society, an idea which this country has been fighting against for thirty years, albeit unsuccessfully at times.

One of the problems as I see it is that there is no truly impartial source for information on issues.  For instance, every locality has proposals on the ballot all of the time.  But you never actually get to see facts about them.  You only see the two different sides advertising repeatedly.  

Another problem is party voters.  I think this is the true tragedy.  This is a voter who votes for someone soley on party affiliation rather than because of any knowledge of the person's platform.  I almost wish it was illegal to list party affiliation on ballots.

Agree.  Agree.  Agree.

It would be impossible to study every issue.  My suggestion was a civics based exam -- one time or even every decade or something.  Require people to understand the system they are so adamantly determined to participate in.  At least then they'll be informed enough of the possible consequences of voting one way or another because they have a foundation of knowledge.  

Naive, most likely yes.
40  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Why everyone should vote: on: November 02, 2004, 04:20:11 PM
We don't. In addition to the Executive Branch you're fogetting the Judicial (Supreme Court) and Legislative (Congress). Checks and balances. It just so happens that the Republicans control them all. If you have a problem with who's in office there's only one way to change it. Vote.

Personally, I think the Executive Branch as it stands now could be split up into a council of sorts.  Split the country into major regions and elect a representative from each to be a member of the Executive Council.  You could have the member with the most prestige or popularity or seniority be the major-domo of the group.
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