This election has really brought the crazy...and is still delivering.  It's not like this when it's just 2 old boring white dudes running for President.   

Yep nothing at all crazy happened during Bush/Kerry or Bush/Gore.

Eco you are wasting your time, you aren't going to find anyone on this board who will ever admit that Obama or any dem could ever make a mistake or do anything wrong.   Only conservatives or republicans do such awful evil things.

Because someone says a racist thing does not make them a racist.

Yeah it does.  Thanks for playing, please try again.

So does that make someone like Joe Biden a racist for saying racist things more then once?

Its exactly the same as in job interviews - Obese people are less likely to be offered a job than if they were slim. There are several reasons for this, but mainly its because people in general think its the obese persons own fault that they are in the state they are, i.e. its a character flaw that is clearly visible. If you have two candidates, one with a visible character flaw, and one without, you will likely choose the one without.

And this is bullshit and discrimination when and if someone does such a thing.

I know its fun to joke about, but it is a serious issue that a solution needs to be found for.   Driving while drunk or high needs to be dealt with and people thrown in jail if they are doing it.

I don't know.  While I agree with brettmcd that George W. Bush should have resigned, it's a strange comparison at a point when nothing we know of this Patraeus affair comes close to that level of chicanery.

The facts so far make me inclined to agree with TiLT.  This man's extra-marital affair seems incidental to the performance of his job.

Unless, of course, this whole investigation was kicked off in response to a security breach or blackmail scheme we haven't heard of yet.  Then this would be a very big deal.

-Autistic Angel

Clueless as usual there AA, good thing to know nothing ever changes with you.

Would it be too much to ask for you to debate something without starting an insulting contest?

Would it be too much to ask that you and AA not make up things I never said?    Since I know it is too much to ask of you I will continue to post exactly as I do.

I don't know.  While I agree with brettmcd that George W. Bush should have resigned, it's a strange comparison at a point when nothing we know of this Patraeus affair comes close to that level of chicanery.

The facts so far make me inclined to agree with TiLT.  This man's extra-marital affair seems incidental to the performance of his job.

Unless, of course, this whole investigation was kicked off in response to a security breach or blackmail scheme we haven't heard of yet.  Then this would be a very big deal.

-Autistic Angel

Clueless as usual there AA, good thing to know nothing ever changes with you.

It shows a tremendous lack of judgement for someone in his position.  And it doesn't have to be the person who he is having the affair with who will blackmail him, someone else could find out about it and try to use it in that way. 

Nobody tried to blackmail him! He never buckled under blackmail, and never compromised national security or secrets about his job (from what we know about the case so far, which is what we're discussing). Face it, you don't want him gone because of a hypothetical situation that hasn't even occurred. You want him gone because his actions go against your sexual morality.

Huh?    Just because something didn't happen doesn't make it a good idea to put oneself in that position.   People with high security clearances, and it doesn't get much higher then the CIA director, need to have better judgement then to do things like that.

Never have tried it and never will, but if people want to do it, go ahead.     Need to find a reliable way to test for it in people who are driving under the influence though.

It shows a tremendous lack of judgement for someone in his position.  And it doesn't have to be the person who he is having the affair with who will blackmail him, someone else could find out about it and try to use it in that way.   

But at least he had the decency to resign for his mistake, unlike a certain former president.

No he really doesnt and shouldnt have to just to get someone to vote for him, unless people are complete assholes.     Obama smokes, that is a very unhealthy activity, should a person not have voted for him because of that?  This reality you speak of on this needs to change, just because a person is overweight doesnt make them any less able to be a leader.

Well, the last president who was overweight was Taft. So yeah, it does matter that Christie is pudgy. That doesn't mean he's unelectable by any means, it's just that being a fatty fatty boombalatty is going to make it more difficult.

Why should it matter thought?   What specifically about a person being overweight makes them somehow unfit to be president for some people?

LOL. I will pretend this is not a typical brettmcd troll about weight.

You can be as PC as you like, but if you think image doesn't matter you're kidding yourself.

Thinking that people shouldnt be negatively judged and humiliated because of their appearance and or weight is trolling now?   Grow up.

Not after he refused to play the politics game and give Romney praise right after talking about how exemplary Obama's response has been during Sandy.

It started when Steve Doocy said,

    Over the last couple of months, you have appeared throughout the country, Governor, on behalf of Mitt Romney… (W)e hear that perhaps Mr. Romney may do some storm-related events. Is there any possibility that Gov. Romney may go to New Jersey to tour some of the damage with you?

Christie’s surprising answer:

I have no idea, nor am I the least bit concerned or interested. I’ve got a job to do here in New Jersey that’s much bigger than presidential politics and I could care less about any of that stuff. I have a job to do. I’ve got 2.4 million people out of power. I’ve got devastation on the shore. I’ve got floods in the northern part of my state. If you think right now I give a damn about presidential politics then you don’t know me.

  

Glad to see someone has their priorities straight.

I don't know much about Christie, but what little I have seen I like. He comes across as a very real person. Now if he would just lose some weight he could be a serious contender for the Presidential stage.

Why the hell should his being overweight matter in making him a serious contender for the presidency?

Is it just me, or does GT seems smarter all of a sudden?

Nah, you are still here.

It might be in poor taste but its no worse then the crap Biden says on a regular basis.

Besides a ban on guns wont stop criminals from having guns, it will just stop law abiding citizens from having them. 

It'll stop a large percentage of criminals from having guns. Just look at countries with a total ban on guns, there are still some criminals that have access to guns but majority of the criminals don't.

Why have a law against drunk driving? People still drive while drunk. It'll not stop law breakers from drunk driving, it will just stop law abiding citizens.

So I guess you would want a total ban on alcohol to stop drunk driving.   I mean if people cant get alcohol they cant drive drunk.....

Might be interested here, but need to see a list of at least the rares as I dont want to buy 1500 commons....

Its nice to know that Bush and Cheney using executive privilege to protect themselves was wrong and evil, but when dems do it, nothing is said by the liberals.   Politics in this country is so disgusting from both sides right now

You != other people

Its not all that hard to have a mind and use it to make decisions on ones own.   All the information anyone wants is out there.

I often wonder why people think that every election is bought now.    All the money in the world isnt going to force a person to vote in a way they don't want to.   All the political ads out there dont influence my vote one bit.   

Unless of course you think vote totals are being changed and manipulated somehow by monied interests, if that is the case any more discussion would be pointless.

Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson released a dark new campaign ad on Wednesday, in which the candidate pleads with members of all third parties (Green, Constitution, etc.) to “be libertarian with me this one time” so that he may prove that “peace, prosperity, and freedom” work once and for all.

“Members of all political parties,” Johnson says in the ad, “I reach out to everyone with a vote and an axe to grind. From the Tea Party, the Constitution Party, the Green and Libertarian parties, I call out to all of you, including the disaffected and disillusioned among the Republicans and Democrats.”

“We the people will never agree on the small things,” Johnson’s ad continues, “but let’s agree on the big things: our leaders have blown it. If we don’t get control of this ship together and fix it together, we all go down with it together … Let’s put our parties and our differences aside, one time.”

“Be libertarian with me for one election,” Johnson pleads. “Together we’ll stop the spending and end the wars. Together we’ll rebuild our own roads, bridges, schools and hospitals instead of building theirs half a world away. Together we’ll restore our industrial might and our economy. And if, in four years, we the people decide we don’t like peace, prosperity, and freedom, we can always vote tyranny back into office again.”

http://www.mediaite.com/online/libertarian-candidates-new-ad-pleads-be-libertarian-with-me-this-one-time/

If this election wasn't going to be so close, I'd definitely consider casting a vote for Johnson.

Crap like this is the exact reason why we will never be able to get beyond our failed two party system.  If all the people who claim they would only vote for a third party if they had a chance to win actually DID vote third party......   then maybe they would have a chance to win. 

They should be used if the person in office commits a criminal act.    

That would be what impeachment is for.  

For example, Evan Mecham was impeached before he could be recalled. 

Yes and no, impeachment usually means nothing if the legislature is controlled by the party of the person being impeached.   Recall should be seen as the citizens way to impeach a public official.

They should be used if the person in office commits a criminal act.    Not because they do things you disagree with them politically on.   That is what regular elections are for.

I hope Walker wins, using the recall election process to remove an elected official over political disagreements is not the way recalls should be used.

Ive been very lucky and all the call center jobs I have worked at allowed employees to surf the net between calls as long as you NEVER do it during a call.

A black president eventually had to come down on the right side of today's leading civil rights issue. Historically, expanding rights for minority groups has always proven to be the correct stance...eventually. The timing seems bold, but I guess the campaign arithmetic must have argued for it. He generates some enthusiasm among disillusioned liberals and he further alienates people who already oppose him anyway. The key question is how it plays with moderate voters, because they are going to decide this election.

The problem is that he still thinks its a state to state issue.   This is one area where the federal government has a place, as the constitution is supposed to make a contract (which is what marriage is) that is legal in one state legal in all states.    People opposed federal civil rights legislation for the same reason, and I am sure Obama doesn't think those should be decided on a state by state basis.

Would this be a story if Trayvon was white?

I don't think that George Zimmerman would have been concerned about Martin walking down the block on his way back from the store had Martin been white. So, no.

Regardless, the "stand your ground" laws should be repealed.

Why should they be repealed?   This tragedy had nothing to do with any reasonable interpretation of the law.    Zimmerman wasn't standing his ground anywhere, he chased down Martin and murdered him.    He can incorrectly claim he was covered by the law but that doesn't make the laws bad.

People only seem to care about a candidate being a womanizer when that candidate belongs to the other party.   Dems didnt care about it with Clinton but its a big deal with Gingrich or Cain.   Repubs are the opposite.   

Really? Aggresive womanizing is a good characteristic for a Defense Secretary?

There didn't seem to be much of a problem with being a womanizer to the Dems when there was a president involved.

For me my game of the year is Orcs Must Die, bought it the day it came out and still play it at least a couple levels every day.

I gotta agree. Sure, there are going to be things that it shares with WoW, but to me, this knocks WoW off its lofty throne, then stabs it violently several times before tossing it out in the freezing snow.

I absolutely HATE, DETEST, and simply CANNOT STAND WoW. But I really, truly enjoyed this one. I really felt a connection to my character grow with each cutscene and conversation she had. I felt truly drawn into the story, and couldn't wait to see what would happen next. Any and every other MMO (from WoW to Rift to EQ2 to LotRO) became simply skimming (if even that) to the bottom of the wall of text to accept it as a quest/reward. If it was for a quest, then off to complete it, if it was the reward, select the reward. Then move on. In SW:TOR, I was really drawn into the story, and some of the decisions at least seemed tough to make (perhaps no matter what choice you make, the same result would happen, but it sure felt like the choices mattered).

The story felt like it was important. Most other MMO's, the story only is there to move you forward. In this, it felt like I moved forward, to see more of the story. And I could truly imagine my character walking around trying (beyond simply what the screen shown to me) to solve the mysteries presented in her particular story, with the balance of the galaxy hanging on the edge.

To say I enjoyed it is an understatement. This was one of the best MMO experiences I have ever had, personally. Did I enter the fan boy realm? Probably, but I felt that this game is worth it.

Thats all great but it is an MMO, not a single player rpg, replay value will suck when you get to see all those same cut scenes and crap all over again.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7214380/joe-paterno-president-graham-spanier-penn-state


Yes he has been fired, I am amazed that the university did the right thing and fired him.   I was sure they would let him go on his own terms at the end of the year.

1st picture is a cat I had named Sully, second one is my St Bernard Irish Setter mix Bruiser.

Get rid of the tax loopholes, deductions and all that before you start raising tax rates.

Obama promised to bring the troops home if he became president (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_RWHiC7K3k&NR=1) and obviously did a complete 180. Given Paul's record, I'd say he could actually be believed on actually doing it when everyone else just talks about it while our deficit continues to get higher and higher every single day.

Obama ran on withdrawing troops from Iraq, and he has withdrawn our combat forces from Iraq, and on doubling down in Afghanistan, which he also has done.

As for Ron Paul, he's a racist, woman-hating, privacy-hating, faux libertarian right-wing radical.

So you think of him exactly the same as you do every single other republican or conservative?    Nothing new there, we know you hate every single conservative and republican.

You might want to have a title that says "How one super rich liberal feels about being taxed more' if you wanted it to be in any way correct.

Obama has achieved many noteworthy and praiseworthy things. He has also failed remarkably on matters fiscal, mostly because of his apparent fear of raising taxes on the middle class. All in all, the country is better that he, and not John McCain, is in the White House right now. Would it be better if Hillary Clinton was president? Perhaps. But her incompetent campaign closed the door on that possibility.

I look forward to voting for Obama in 2012.

And I hope I can vote for Hillary Clinton in 2016. Or maybe Andrew Cuomo.

He has also failed completely on civil liberties issues relating to the war on terror as on those things he might as well be the third term of Bush.

Caylee's Law, a petition on the net started shortly after Casey Anthony's acquittal has, so far, over 15k signatures. The Law would make it a felony to fail to report a missing child and to fail to report a child's accidental death timely. What do you all think?

I completely agree it should be a crime to wait 31 days before you bother to report a 2 year old is missing.    But it would have to be done on a state to state basis, as I dont see any way it could be a federal law.

Also looks like she will be free next week.

http://news.yahoo.com/jurors-cried-felt-sick-acquitting-anthony-012228871.html

Where the system is broken here is that it is not a crime to not bother to report your 2 year old daughter is missing for 31 days while you party and all the other things she did.