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81  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 15, 2014, 12:07:15 PM
Quote from: TiLT
I was just curious why you thought this particular one wasn't when I thought it was.

Probably because we're pretty much polar opposites when it comes to opinions.  icon_biggrin

It's all good though. It's a worthwhile read and food for thought.
82  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 15, 2014, 12:03:54 PM
I don't think there's anything "wrong" about it, because it's an opinion piece. I just don't happen to totally agree with all of his opinions. Opinions are inherently one-sided, which is why I don't think you can call this article balanced. Well-researched? Maybe. Who knows. Definitely not balanced.

As far as the previous articles, it's more the wording he uses than the subject matter itself. His negative adjectives for describing Microsoft and its events must have required a couple of thesauruses.
83  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 15, 2014, 11:38:26 AM
That article is about as fair and balanced as that Polygon article. If you go look at his previous articles they all have a heavy anti-Microsoft slant.


84  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 14, 2014, 07:35:45 PM
Quote from: TiLT
Sony doesn't have that luxury.

And we as gamers have benefited from that. Which is why even though it may sound like I'm defending Microsoft, I'm just defending them from a general business sense. As a consumer and gamer, I'd rather them be in a position where their console division was going to make or break them, because then I'd feel their backs were against the wall to make that product as good as it can be.

Case in point - my brother's girlfriend's cousin (not making that up) was one of the lead producers of the original Bioshock. He also co-produced Ryse and has been in the games industry quite some time. My brother was talking to him one day about the gaming industry and he said one of the biggest frustrations from a developer's standpoint about a big publisher like Microsoft is that they don't always care if their product is the best it can be. His example was that he would be given a budget and a time to complete a game in. He'd come back and say, "We can make this mediocre game that will sell X copies, but if you give us this little bit more money, we can make an awesome game that will sell a gazillion copies." Microsoft would say, "Yeah, we're not giving you any more money, go ahead and make that mediocre game. Kthxbai!" From a corporate standpoint, that money just doesn't always fall in line with what you or I would think makes sense.

Now, there are people at Microsoft who I think really care passionately about their gaming division and want it to be great. But they're small cogs in a big corporate machine.

Where do consumers benefit from Microsoft's size? I think that they see long-term benefits in R&D that come to fruition in other products and services, but they've got to hit those short-term road bumps to get there. The XB1 may not be the greatest thing since sliced bread in the short term, but ultimately it's another stepping stone that pushes the industry forward in ways both seen and unseen. Nobody (except me, apparently) really likes voice controlling their console now, but they very well might love it in 10 years. And the only reason we'll have that is because Microsoft was big enough to throw the money at it, win or lose.

85  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 14, 2014, 07:16:25 PM
This is a different scenario. One side has already "won." The losing side is trying to increase market share. At this point, they're not going to lose market share by adding more exclusive titles to their library.

Quote from: Eco-Logic
Yeah?  And MS has made enormously poor decisions the past few years (with every single aspect of their business).   That my friend is  the point.

I won't argue that they've made poor decisions in the past few years. Yet at the end of the day they're still destroying Sony in profits. This Tomb Raider isn't even a blip on their radar. They probably took it out of petty cash.

As far as TiLT's comments about losing customer trust, I agree that it's something that any company (no matter how big) needs to concern themselves with. But at the same time, this is a relatively small segment of their company. The vast majority of their customers don't even know what the fuck an Xbox is. In short, I think the importance we place on it is not the same importance they place on it. I go back to the Electronic Arts example. That's a company that won AWARDS for being the shittiest company on the planet, and they still manage to turn a profit year after year.

I'm not saying that it makes it "right" that a customer doesn't place the same importance on customer relations as the customers themselves do, but at some point companies get so big that the mechanisms of money and business easily overshadow these little flare-ups of customer dissatisfaction.

 
86  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I fixed my iPad on: August 14, 2014, 07:02:40 PM
Nice, Teggy! How hard was it to do? Mine has a hairline crack in the bottom right corner that bugs the heck out of me, but it's not bad enough that I've been tempted to fix it myself yet.
87  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 14, 2014, 06:56:33 PM
Here's why all the backlash and gamer angst in the world won't matter:

Microsoft is going after one target - those people who don't own an Xbox One.

Those people can be broken down into two categories:

A) People who own a PS4 but don't own an Xbox One
B) People who don't own either console

With both groups, Microsoft has a chance to sell an XB1 based on the fact that Tomb Raider is an exclusive. In the case of group B, they even have a chance to steal a potential customer away from Sony.

There's only one way Microsoft loses - Group B is just so upset at MS's business practices (those that even know the details) that they decide to go PS4 based solely on that factor. Now seriously, what do you think that percentage is? Slim to none is my guess. The average guy on the fence is not going to put his high moral standards ahead of his ability to play the game a year sooner. Show me that guy, and I'll show you a guy who was probably leaning PS4 anyway.

MS has nothing to lose from this deal.

Quote from: Eco-Logic
And I think all of this is nothing more than them trying to gain a little bit of momentum in a console race that they are getting smashed.

Of course it's nothing more. They're a business, and they're trying to compete and gain market share. That's what businesses do.

88  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 14, 2014, 05:07:49 PM
I'd believe more of an impact if the game was coming out this holiday versus a year from now. That's an entire year of other games and exclusives on each platform that will have shifted the debate back and forth. By the time all that is said and done I'm guessing nobody will even remember what the hell we were all talking about.  icon_biggrin

(This does, however, bring up another point which is - how much did MS really expect Tomb Raider to boost sales when they're going to have plenty of opportunity to do so with other exclusives such as Halo 5 around that time frame? Are they just trying to stack the bench?)
89  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 14, 2014, 04:58:12 PM
Quote from: TiLT
I don't think either of them realized the kind of backlash this would produce, least of all Microsoft.

The average consumer won't even notice this backlash. This is a bunch of hardcore gaming nerds gnashing their teeth. Most of whom already picked their horse long ago.
90  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 14, 2014, 04:21:58 PM
Whether he's biased or not, most businesses don't agree to business deals thinking that they're going to *lose* money. Clearly both Microsoft and Square Enix felt that this deal had mutual benefits to both companies, or else it never would have happened.

None of us have *any* details on what this deal entailed, yet both companies are automatically being demonized because they inconvenienced us.
91  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 14, 2014, 02:37:52 PM
 icon_razz

No, seriously, listen guys. I do understand being upset that the game you want to play is not on the platform you want to play it on. My Mario Kart reference with the tears was not just a joke. It REALLY bums me out I can't play that game without buying a THIRD console that my wife in no way, shape, or form is probably every going to let me get after dropping $900 already.

I'm not defending the shittiness of the situation, just MS and Square Enix's right to make business decisions that we may or may not agree with. In the end, my opinion doesn't matter (as TiLT correctly pointed out, neither corporation needs me to come to their defense). It's just discussion.

92  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 14, 2014, 02:31:59 PM
You weren't being literal but you used the word "literally?"
93  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 14, 2014, 01:58:19 PM
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There is no comparison to be made to the situation where MS has literally taken a game from gamers' hands, held it up, wagged a finger and said, "Ah, ah, ah!  Not without an Xbox one!"

Game's not out yet. They didn't take it from anybody's hands.
94  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 14, 2014, 01:28:52 PM
In the end, your choice is better than the choice for someone who wants to play Mario Kart and doesn't own a Wii U. I will never get to play that game unless I purchase a Wii U. It's not blackmail, or extortion. Nintendo's choice to make Mario Kart just for their console negatively affects me. And I will NEVER GET TO PLAY IT. EVER. WITHOUT PAYING $350.  crybaby
95  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 13, 2014, 08:54:35 PM
Quote from: TiLT
And as mentioned above, P.T. is actually a teaser for Silent Hill, which is unlikely to be indie.

That is good news. I'm growing weary of the indie horror game movement. For awhile there it felt like you couldn't turn around without bumping into a Slenderman game or some other low-rent first-person-in-the-dark title.

My opinion will reverse itself when the Oculus Rift comes out, because then they will be awesome.  icon_biggrin
96  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 13, 2014, 07:16:58 PM
I guess "blackmail" would be a more accurate inaccurate term?  icon_razz
97  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 13, 2014, 06:03:02 PM
Quote from: Bullwinkle
Yellow, you're going on about MS needing to make their shareholders money and not owing the consumers anything, but the consumers are who keep them in business and who make the shareholders money in the end.  If MS continues to dick them over or show continually that they don't care about making them happy, they will start the whole wallet-voting process, and that will make the investors very unhappy indeed.

I agree, which is why it's a gamble on their part. They're counting on increased sales to outweigh the possibility of consumer revolt, but that's their call to make. I don't begrudge them their right to make that gamble.

As far as MS loyalty, I'm neither happy nor upset about the decision. I don't really care either way. Whether it hurts console sales in the long run is speculation at this point. Microsoft certainly doesn't see it that way.

That's fine if you (as in general forum population) are upset about it. By all means, vote with your wallet. That's your right as a consumer. I'm just stating why I personally don't have a problem with it. I see it as a business agreement that both MS and Square Enix felt was beneficial, and I feel that as corporations they have the right to enter into business agreements that they feel are mutually beneficial regardless of what I think of the whole thing. Keep in mind, though, that I'm an old school fiscal conservative and I tend to be pretty cold-hearted when it comes to business. You guys might be looking at the spirit of gaming and passion for the hobby and this and that. All I'm seeing is logic and dollar signs.  icon_biggrin
98  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 13, 2014, 05:29:21 PM
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It amounts to bribery or extortion, depending on who's doing the offering.  "give me money and I'll change who gets the product and when."

It would only be extortion if you had no other choices as a consumer. You have plenty of choices. The first and foremost being, go purchase and play a competitor's game. Nobody has the right to play Tomb Raider.

[Edit] - I'm not going to get into the entitlement argument anymore - gamers are spoiled brats, you know it and I know it.
99  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 13, 2014, 05:24:58 PM
I still don't see a problem with it. Microsoft saw an opportunity to make money and they took that opportunity. They're a business, and they have a responsibility to their shareholders to make money.

Now if the circumstance upsets me, I agree then I have a right to vote with my wallet. And that's all well and good. But I'm not going to get upset at Microsoft for taking advantage of a way to make money. They don't owe me anything.

I mean, we're not talking about Microsoft taking food away from my kids or polluting the environment. They're making me wait a year to play a particular game I want to play (among dozens of other games). Boo hoo. I'm sure the starving kids in Ethiopia or the Iraq kids getting slaughtered by ISIS are just in tears over my terrible first world predicament.


100  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 13, 2014, 05:11:19 PM
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You do realize you're a consumer, right? You don't benefit in the slightest from taking the side of the corporations. Microsoft doesn't need your protection. They would laugh at the attempt.

I'm also a capitalist.
101  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 13, 2014, 04:55:56 PM
I'm a little biased since I have both consoles admittedly, but ultimately we as gamers don't have a "right" to play any game we want on any platform we want. It's just business.

Now in this case, Microsoft took a gamble. That gamble was that securing that exclusivity would net them console sales, and not lose them customer good will. Maybe they don't give a shit about customer good will. EA seems to be doing quite well despite ignoring that aspect of their business.  icon_biggrin
102  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Podcasts on: August 13, 2014, 03:24:38 PM
I listen to the coasterradio.com theme park podcast. My brother got me hooked on that one after he got a couple of his live trip reports on the air and told me about it.

I tried the Giant Bomb podcasts for awhile on a co-worker's recommendation, but like ATB I just got tired of them shitting on every game or idea that came along. It's like a gaming podcast for people who want to suck every ounce of fun out of gaming.
103  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 13, 2014, 03:16:08 PM
Now Sony fans know how MS fans felt about the year long Destiny DLC exclusivity.


104  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 12, 2014, 09:46:40 PM
Quote from: forgeforsaken
The bolded are note due out this year or this holiday.

The fact still remains that the XB1 has more AAA exclusives coming out this holiday than the PS4. I don't know why that's so hard to admit. It's not a fanboy opinion, it's a fact. The tables could certainly turn, and probably will, in 2015.
105  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 12, 2014, 08:47:50 PM
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Even if you have a PS4 as your system there is plenty of stuff coming that's not first party exclusive that is exciting (IMO).  I'll be getting Diablo 3, Far Cry 4 and Shadow of Mordor just for starters.  Probably Destiny, GTAV, AC Unity and quite a few of the indie games.

Certainly - I'm not saying PS4 owners are sitting around with a paperweight. I'll be buying all my multi-platform titles on PS4 with the possible exception of Destiny (if I get it). Only reason I'd go XB1 with that one is because that's where my friends are.

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List them, I want to see this several.  I can think of two, three if you count the Halo remaster.

There were six mentioned/shown today, which I think qualifies as several:

Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Forza Horizons 2, Halo 5, Fable Legends, and Halo Master Chief Collection.
106  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 12, 2014, 08:09:22 PM
I'm not trying to bait anyone, just stating an opinion. But here goes:

P.T. - new developer - we know next to nothing about the title so hard to say whether this is AAA or indie. Assuming indie since it's a new dev.

Alieanation - Housemarque new game - indie developer

Wild - from Wild Sheep, new indie developer (his words, not mine)

Tearaway I thought was indie because it looked like one, but it's a Vita remake.

Until Dawn is a major title (missed because it was lumped near P.T. with the live blog I was looking at).
107  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (08/11) on: August 12, 2014, 07:58:38 PM
Nada 2: Nada Bing, Nada Boom
108  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gamescom 2014 on: August 12, 2014, 07:52:26 PM
Xbox showed several clear AAA exclusives, most of which are coming out before the end of the year.

Sony showed one AAA exclusive (Drive Club) and a bunch of indie stuff. (None of those new games they showed led me to believe they were AAA titles in any way, shape, or form).

No matter how you slice it, this holiday season belongs to Microsoft.

I love my PS4, and it's become my go-to console for cross-platform stuff. I would love nothing more than for Sony to come out with some great exclusives. But that indie shit ain't cutting it for new titles. I'm not interested in paying $20 to play a 6 hour game that was developed for PC. If I want to play that, I'll wait for a Steam sale, buy it for $5, and play it on its native platform. I think even Sony fans are getting frustrated with this constant stream of "indie indie indie indie indie, wait until next year!"



109  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 8/8/14 on: August 09, 2014, 11:34:55 PM
My entire weekend is devoted to pulling off this "Frozen" birthday party for my daughter, so my gaming is pretty much shot.  icon_biggrin

I did manage to put in about 30 minutes of The Last of Us, but I think that's about all I'm going to get to.
110  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Where do you stand on the crucial topic of hotdogs? on: August 07, 2014, 03:44:52 PM
Yes, ketchup on a hotdog is an abomination.  icon_smile

I prefer beef franks when possible, but other than that I'm a simple man. Onions, chili, and relish. Occasionally mustard, but not required.
111  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (08/04) on: August 04, 2014, 09:54:57 PM
Probably Divinity:Original Sin since my friend won't stop telling me how awesome it is.  icon_cry icon_biggrin
112  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] The Last Of Us on: August 04, 2014, 01:02:56 PM
Yeah I played some more last night and it grows on me with every game session. The absolute best thing about this game so far is how utterly dangerous the combat feels. I never feel safe, I never feel like I have the upper hand, I never feel like I have enough ammo - it's super stressful in a good way.  icon_biggrin
113  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie] Guardians of the Galaxy on: August 03, 2014, 10:37:56 PM
We just got back from seeing it in IMAX and absolutely loved it. I actually liked it better than The Avengers. In fact, it may be my favorite Marvel comic book movie to date.

I was afraid the humor stuff would come across as corny or flat, but it totally worked.

The 3D was definitely worth it.
114  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] The Last Of Us on: August 03, 2014, 10:31:05 PM
I'm about four hours in, and while it's very good, I'm not ready to call it the best game ever created.
115  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XB1] EA Access on: August 03, 2014, 10:26:56 PM
I pulled the trigger and signed up for a month today.

For $5 I can play FIFA 14, Madden NFL 25, and Battlefield 4, all games which I am interested in playing but don't want to pony up $60 for. That's a great deal.

If the pricing stays the same, I would definitely pay $30 a year for it. The only reason I didn't jump on that right away is that I want to see if the quality of the titles stays the same, or if they're just rolling out their heavy hitters for the beta to get people hooked.
116  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Should I get a cat? on: August 02, 2014, 12:32:07 AM
Cats are great, but be warned - they are not the squeaky clean, low-maintenance creatures you may have been led to believe.

Litter pans have to be cleaned out daily or the room they're in will reek. We invested in a Litter Genie (it's a diaper genie for litter), and that has helped a great deal. Basically instead of having to throw out a bag daily, you can dump waste in the Litter Genie for a few days before taking the bag out.

Cats throw up often. Hairballs, sensitive stomachs, whatever. Prepare to clean up vomit.

Cats will destroy carpet and furniture. Yes, I know that you just need to give them plenty of scratching posts, etc. I've spent tons of money on scratching posts only to have the cats walk past them so they can shred the carpet.

I love my cats to pieces. They are sweet creatures and mine are not aloof or snobby at all. They love affection, they love hugs and petting. But like any pet they are a lot of work.
117  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Weekend Playlist -- 8/1/14 on: August 01, 2014, 03:11:46 PM
I just finished up Shadowrun Returns, so I'll be diving into The Last of Us: Remastered. Maybe nibble on The Wolf Among Us for my PC fix.
118  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Destiny -Bungie's new game with Activision on: July 31, 2014, 01:00:22 AM
I'm still strangely unhyped on this game, even after playing the beta. I guess I'm just not in the mood for multiplayer stuff right now. Oh well, I should have plenty of other stuff to keep me busy in August/September between the big Steam backlog, The Last of Us, and probably Diablo 3: Ultimate Evil edition (still on the fence about that one).
119  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (07/28) on: July 30, 2014, 02:34:56 AM
The Last of Us Remastered, bought and paid for.
120  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XB1] EA Access on: July 30, 2014, 02:32:04 AM
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Good for them? I don't get it. You're applauding their possible increased profits at the expense of gamers? Yay for corporations when they figure out how to get us to pay more money for the same things?

It's a free market. Either they will make money, in which there was a demand for the service and their decision was justified, or they won't.

And while everybody is fighting this battle tooth and nail, in the end gamers WILL lose the fight over physical media. Physical media will be extinct by next-gen, and the concept of used games will be as antiquated as VHS rentals.
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