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3961  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: September 01, 2011, 02:57:33 PM

Quote from: hispanicgamer on September 01, 2011, 02:30:50 PM

Sorry, I don't know how to make it bigger. icon_mad

That's what she said!
3962  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Nintendo 3DS price cut to $169.99 on: September 01, 2011, 06:52:31 AM
Man, that was a cumbersome download process! Still managed to get everything downloaded in the end, though I don't know when I'll get a chance to check it all out.
3963  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Dragon Age 3 on: August 31, 2011, 08:18:35 PM

Quote from: Scraper on August 31, 2011, 08:00:14 PM

1. The graphics and art style are way better in DA2 as DAO is really dark and the textures are bad at times.

I guess I'll just never understand why some people feel this way. DA1's graphics were stunning in the overhead view, often passing into the realm of looking hand-drawn. The graphics in DA2 were bland, low in detail and utterly uninspiring. They looked rushed, like so much else in the game. Only character faces looked better, and not by enough to get anywhere close to compensating for the shitty graphics elsewhere.

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3. The story, if you follow it, isn't about saving the world, but it definitely has a much more personal feel than the one in DAO.

This one depends on your origin in DA1, I suppose. I played the Human Noble origin, which made the story feel very personal all the way to the end. DA2 was personal during parts of the first chapter, and then it sort of fizzled away into the haphazard collection of randomness that was the "main story".
3964  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Dragon Age 3 on: August 31, 2011, 06:12:05 PM
Don't be fooled by those rather vague (and lacking) promises. There's a LOT of stuff with DA2 that was wrong besides the reused art assets. At least one of those wrong things (permanent NPC armor, leading to almost all armor loot being worthless) have been confirmed as a feature they intend to keep for DA3.
3965  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Movie] the Next Bond Movie has been Cancelled on: August 30, 2011, 08:14:48 PM
I've read Carte Blanche, and while it was enjoyable enough (apart from the constant thing where the author changes your POV to hide a clever trick your original POV character knew about. It happens every time the POV changes, which grows tiresome) I hope it's not the basis for the movie. For one thing, it won't be an original story. It also won't resolve the Quantum storyline, which is what we've been promised all this time (from the best of my recollection, this was supposed to be a trilogy, starting with Casino Royale and ending with the upcoming movie).
3966  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Warhammer 40k: Space Marine - 40k meets God of War on: August 30, 2011, 01:05:18 PM

Quote from: raydude on August 30, 2011, 01:04:00 PM

Quote from: TiLT on August 30, 2011, 12:30:10 PM

Quote from: Dante Rising on August 30, 2011, 11:46:00 AM

As a side note, I'd give my first born for a AAA RPG set in the Warhammer universe.

I've thought the same thing. "Warhammer 40k: Inquisitor". It could be totally amazing.

What about an MMORPG in Warhammer40k?

Sure, that one has great potential, but won't be out until 2014 or so. Tongue And RPGs are really not the same genre as MMORPGs anyway.
3967  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Warhammer 40k: Space Marine - 40k meets God of War on: August 30, 2011, 12:30:10 PM

Quote from: Dante Rising on August 30, 2011, 11:46:00 AM

As a side note, I'd give my first born for a AAA RPG set in the Warhammer universe.

I've thought the same thing. "Warhammer 40k: Inquisitor". It could be totally amazing.
3968  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Very Steamed at Steam on: August 29, 2011, 08:58:22 AM

Quote from: Zinfan on August 29, 2011, 08:41:50 AM

and then the whole PC BSD'ed.

Yeah, you might want to take a closer look at your faulty hardware/drivers before blaming Steam for your problems. Steam won't make your PC BSOD unless there's something wrong with part of your computer that Steam needs to use.
3969  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: X-Com Returns to the PC, drops the dash and becomes XCOM on: August 29, 2011, 04:55:05 AM

Quote from: Wargus on August 29, 2011, 12:37:32 AM

I find it amusing that they created a game that isn't at all like x-com because Bioshock wasn't "x-com" enough for the hardcore players. I'd love to know which hardcore players he's talking about.  Does this guy actually believe his own BS? I'd love to give the guy some credit for whatever worth the game has, but he keeps dragging us back down that road.

You misread the quote. What they're saying is that their first vision for X-COM was too much within their "comfort zone" as Bioshock developers, resembling that game too much. The hardcore fans they're talking about are within their own team, people who (supposedly) protested against the direction the game design was heading.

Even so, the quote is still BS. It reads too much like "okay, here's what we've got. Let's make up some excuses.".
3970  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: X-Com Returns to the PC, drops the dash and becomes XCOM on: August 27, 2011, 10:48:34 PM
They could still salvage this train wreck by removing all association with the X-Com name. They're only hurting themselves by using it. Sure, it's giving them a little media attention (but not that much), but pretty much every X-Com fan hates them for it (to the best of my knowledge, at least), and the rest of the market won't be swayed either way by the title.

This kind of reminds me of the Star Control 4 (titled StarCon) disaster. In that situation they kept the name of the series but removed pretty much every other aspect of it so that the original creators (who owned the aliens, the story, and so on from the original games) wouldn't be able to have any influence over the brand. It ended predictably, with the game receiving massive flak from Star Control fans and eventually being canceled, leaving the Star Control series dead ever since.
3971  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Warhammer 40k: Space Marine - 40k meets God of War on: August 27, 2011, 10:16:28 AM

Quote from: Harkonis on August 26, 2011, 11:20:23 PM

Quote from: TiLT on August 26, 2011, 10:59:39 PM

Quote from: ATB on August 26, 2011, 10:02:31 PM

Quote from: Dreamshadow on August 26, 2011, 05:13:03 PM


I'm having mixed feelings about the demo.   The elevator sequence is frustrating on Normal, as I'm having problems getting my health back.  Also how does one detonate vengeance gun charges that hit the ground?

If you use the Rage of the Gods or whatever it's called in this game, it auto refills your health. It's also a very easy meter to refill over time.

It'd better not be called "Rage of the Gods", because the only gods in WH40k are the Chaos gods, and no Space Marine would ever invoke them in any way (except if turning into a Chaos Marine, of course). slywink


there is another god, and the space marines worship him.

hint:  he is glorious, divine and all shall be smited in his name.

Yeah, but he's singular (and not really a god). Tongue
3972  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Warhammer 40k: Space Marine - 40k meets God of War on: August 26, 2011, 10:59:39 PM

Quote from: ATB on August 26, 2011, 10:02:31 PM

Quote from: Dreamshadow on August 26, 2011, 05:13:03 PM


I'm having mixed feelings about the demo.   The elevator sequence is frustrating on Normal, as I'm having problems getting my health back.  Also how does one detonate vengeance gun charges that hit the ground?

If you use the Rage of the Gods or whatever it's called in this game, it auto refills your health. It's also a very easy meter to refill over time.

It'd better not be called "Rage of the Gods", because the only gods in WH40k are the Chaos gods, and no Space Marine would ever invoke them in any way (except if turning into a Chaos Marine, of course). slywink
3973  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Warhammer 40k: Space Marine - 40k meets God of War on: August 26, 2011, 01:46:58 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on August 26, 2011, 01:41:22 PM

Quote from: TiLT on August 26, 2011, 01:27:48 PM

Quote from: ATB on August 26, 2011, 12:40:05 PM

Yeah they mention an inquistor in the demo and I'm like 'he sounds important'.   icon_cool

Inquisitors are among the most important people in the Imperium. When they speak, they speak with the voice of the God-Emperor himself. They've got vast financial and military resources at their disposal, and they can accuse and execute anyone except the God-Emperor, even up to and including the leader of the Inquisition itself. They've also got the authority to order Exterminatus, the complete and utter destruction of life on a planet, which I'm sure is going to be a topic of this game.


They can go bad an turn to Chaos though!  Be careful who you trust!!

Yeah, which is why I mentioned that even the leader of the Inquisition can be (and has been in the past) accused of heresy and executed.
3974  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Warhammer 40k: Space Marine - 40k meets God of War on: August 26, 2011, 01:27:48 PM

Quote from: ATB on August 26, 2011, 12:40:05 PM

Yeah they mention an inquistor in the demo and I'm like 'he sounds important'.   icon_cool

Inquisitors are among the most important people in the Imperium. When they speak, they speak with the voice of the God-Emperor himself. They've got vast financial and military resources at their disposal, and they can accuse and execute anyone except the God-Emperor, even up to and including the leader of the Inquisition itself. They've also got the authority to order Exterminatus, the complete and utter destruction of life on a planet, which I'm sure is going to be a topic of this game.
3975  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Star Wars Blu Ray! on: August 26, 2011, 08:16:28 AM
Nope, but I'm aware of its existence.
3976  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Valve: Xbox Live restrictions should be relaxed on: August 26, 2011, 08:14:07 AM

Quote from: ravenvii on August 26, 2011, 12:47:31 AM

On the other hand, it is by retaining control over the LIVE experience that Microsoft continues to bring a superior online experience..

I think you're confusing concepts. Microsoft takes payment to bring a "superior online experience". Sony offers theirs for free. This has nothing to do with the degree of control they exert over the service. A paid service is nearly always going to have advantages over a free one, except in one area: The free one is cheaper.

By the way, Microsoft bent over and took it up the ass from EA a long time ago, relenting their "control" over Xbox Live because EA was about to take their ball and go home. The result is that EA is able to use its own servers for multiplayer content instead of having to rely on Xbox Live, and this is why older EA titles are impossible to play online these days.
3977  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Warhammer 40k: Space Marine - 40k meets God of War on: August 26, 2011, 07:57:39 AM

Quote from: ATB on August 26, 2011, 02:45:54 AM

Just played the demo and loved it.

That said, I know NOTHING about Warhammer 40k. Should I bother with this or will I be completely lost?

What books should I read...sounds like a neat story.

DETAILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLS!?

Space Marines are like the popcorn of the Warhammer 40k universe. They are easy to enjoy and don't require much in the way of knowledge.

However, if you truly wish to learn more about the Warhammer 40k universe (and I recommend it! I recently started running a WH40k RPG-campaign, and it's very satisfying), make sure you begin with the Eisenhorn trilogy, usually available as an omnibus. Most people consider it the best books about this setting. It's not about Space Marines, but about an Imperial Inqiuisitor who's job it is to track down heretics, chaos and xenos (aliens). It's much more down to earth than most WH40k-fiction, yet still very epic.
3978  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Star Wars Blu Ray! on: August 25, 2011, 08:43:52 PM
The Phantom Menace is the only movie out of the six that I'd be very happy if was remade or at least modified heavily. As it is, it has way too many problems to be enjoyable. It says a lot that when I last saw the movie, I hit scene skip every time Jar-Jar appeared on the screen, and the movie was actually better and no less coherent for it. I'm tempted to do the same thing with Anakin.

I still remember the casting director for TPM proudly proclaiming in an interview that "when she saw Jake Lloyd, she just knew he was their Anakin". Yeah, nice going there. I'm sure that interview is the highlight of her career.
3979  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: August 25, 2011, 08:39:38 PM

Quote from: rickfc on August 25, 2011, 08:24:55 PM

Quote from: Purge on August 25, 2011, 08:20:18 PM

Quote from: rickfc on August 25, 2011, 08:19:16 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on August 25, 2011, 08:17:43 PM

stolen from qt3



Whoa...you stole a broken image link from qt3? Brazen.

Not broken for me. Also, the pic is AWESOME!

404 on the link...

Works for me, and that looks like it would have been a much better movie than what we got.
3980  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mystery GOG countdown (now general GOG discussion) on: August 25, 2011, 11:54:07 AM

Quote from: Gratch on August 25, 2011, 11:49:23 AM

Dungeon Keeper 2.  Woo hoo!!

... and Wing Commander 1 and 2 apparently. None of which is Lands of Lore. At least I have Deus Ex. slywink
3981  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Elder Scrolls V:Skyrim on: August 24, 2011, 07:54:10 PM
The High Elves look like the vampires from Buffy.
3982  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [Movie] The Thing Prequel on: August 24, 2011, 09:53:07 AM

Quote from: kronovan on August 23, 2011, 08:24:58 PM

Quote from: TiLT on August 22, 2011, 06:19:56 PM

Quote from: kronovan on August 22, 2011, 05:53:28 PM

They've got to be making this on a budget, because the cast isn't exactly leading names, even for the B circuit. Other than Mary Winstead and Ulrich Thomsen, hardly any of them have appeared in films of note. Maybe the producer is expecting them to take that next step, but I'm thinking this is going to be more action-heavy and lighter on story/dialog than the 1st. The Dutch director also hasn't directed anything since 2004. That trailer did look very promising though.

The reason you're not recognizing the actors is because a lot of them are Norwegian. This was done to give the movie a more authentic feel, considering it takes place in a Norwegian camp, after all. You really should consider it a positive thing.

Um no, not really. I watch a lot of Scandinavian cinema -Norwegian films included- and I hardly recognize any of them. There's lots of outstanding actors in the Scandinavian film scene that they could have cast, but didn't. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying just any Swedish or Danish actor can play a Norwegian perfectly, but for a film targeted at an English speaking audience, almost all would no doubt pull it off.

No, they wouldn't. It would have ended up even worse than in the original movie, where what I assume is an American tries to speak Norwegian. Norwegian, Swedish and Danish may look similar, but they don't sound alike at all.

As for Norwegian, well-known actors... There aren't really any. Norway is crap when it comes to cinema.

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3983  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Movie] The Thing Prequel on: August 22, 2011, 08:15:12 PM

Quote from: Blackjack on August 22, 2011, 06:32:19 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on August 22, 2011, 06:12:01 PM

you know,i really want to try the game again now icon_confused
The PC version of The Thing was a pretty terrific (imho; Metacritic numbers probably say otherwise), underappreciated little sci-fi horror survival shooter. A simple modification let you have at least one manual quicksave slot, I believe; the abscence of that and jumpy targeting pretty much killed the console versions. I still have my CD of the PC game and played it a bit a couple years back after we had talked about it here.
 

The biggest problem with that game is how it teaches you some really awesome game mechanics, then it turns out that those mechanics aren't really used. Everything, from panicking NPCs to which one of your companions is a Thing is all scripted, and in a really bad way. You can test an NPC and see that he's clean, and when you go through the next door he's suddenly turning into a monster. It kind of ruined the game for me. I can only recall one instance in the game where you can actually figure out that a guy's infected before he turns, but he's also the least important and talkative NPC I ever met. Combined with the circumstances in which you find him, it was a no-brainer. It also hurts the whole atmosphere when you realize that every single NPC that joins you will eventually turn at a predetermined moment (if he doesn't die first, which rarely if ever happens).
3984  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution on: August 22, 2011, 08:07:29 PM

Quote from: Covenant on August 22, 2011, 05:03:33 PM

Has there been any word on which version is best?

At this point of this console generation, the PC versions are almost always the best unless there's shoddy porting involved. We know that's not the case with Deus Ex, so... PC is the best platform. smile
3985  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Re: Re: [Movie] The Thing Prequel on: August 22, 2011, 06:19:56 PM

Quote from: kronovan on August 22, 2011, 05:53:28 PM

They've got to be making this on a budget, because the cast isn't exactly leading names, even for the B circuit. Other than Mary Winstead and Ulrich Thomsen, hardly any of them have appeared in films of note. Maybe the producer is expecting them to take that next step, but I'm thinking this is going to be more action-heavy and lighter on story/dialog than the 1st. The Dutch director also hasn't directed anything since 2004. That trailer did look very promising though.

The reason you're not recognizing the actors is because a lot of them are Norwegian. This was done to give the movie a more authentic feel, considering it takes place in a Norwegian camp, after all. You really should consider it a positive thing.

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3986  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (08/22) on: August 22, 2011, 06:17:59 AM
Deus Ex already paid for and preloaded on Steam. smile

... Not that I get to play it until Friday thanks to the damned localized release dates. Thank god for the Internet age, eh?
3987  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings - Impressions, Mods and all that good stuff! on: August 21, 2011, 05:11:08 PM

Quote from: MonkeyFinger on August 21, 2011, 04:25:15 PM

So, like some of the other folks here I was thinking of finally having a go at this - and then the 2.0 release was announced. Fine, I'll wait some more, I can always play Deus Ex come Tuesday. However, I wonder... if the biggest things coming are the Dark Mode and an Arena Mode, both of which I'd probably never use, and a spanky new tutorial section which I'd like to think I really don't need, what exactly would I be waiting for? Are there any tweaks of interest other than those three new features?  icon_neutral

I'd recommend holding back a little bit. It's a great, great game already, so it's not as if you'd suffer if you went ahead right away, but there seems to be more to the patch than just Dark Mode and Arena matches. According to Eurogamer's article about the patch:

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update 2.0 adds "20 technical enhancements", various gameplay tweaks and a number of major new features.

I have no idea what those technical enhancements and gameplay tweaks are supposed to be, and it might just be nothing, but I'd still wait for a little more info.
3988  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Danish game] Limbo - the future of games? on: August 21, 2011, 02:51:53 PM

Quote from: Blackjack on August 21, 2011, 02:45:31 PM

It reminds me a bit of Trine in terms of the gameplay, albeit there aren't multiple classes.

It's much more similar to Another World, which has been remastered and re-released at the link I just posted, btw. The first half of Limbo is much better than the second half sadly, but the first half is very good.
3989  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: August 19, 2011, 06:28:56 PM
That looks like something straight out of GTA.  icon_smile
3990  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie] Underworld: Awakening on: August 19, 2011, 05:05:37 AM
Oooh, they have Tywin Lannister.

Not that the trailer looked particularly good, but I suppose I'll see this at some point anyway. Even if the trailer featured the mandatory and completely retarded "look at us throwing stuff at the screen in 3D" scene.
3991  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Deus Ex 3: Human Revolution - Finally, some info! on: August 18, 2011, 03:03:57 PM
It doesn't unlock until Friday over here. *Grumble!*   icon_mad
3992  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Notch sued by Bethesda over use of the word "Scrolls" on: August 18, 2011, 07:20:18 AM
Bethesda are on Santa's naughty-list now. It's a fate worse than death.
3993  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why most people don't finish video games on: August 17, 2011, 06:22:24 PM

Quote from: Razgon on August 17, 2011, 06:19:28 PM

Sorry, I know that may seem like that to you, but my argument wasn't that particular thing, it was more of the fact the todays lifestyle leaves us somewhat challenged when it comes to attention spans

I absolutely agree with that. My point was that TV series are not evidence of that, and that they can in fact be taken as evidence of the opposite.
3994  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why most people don't finish video games on: August 17, 2011, 06:15:43 PM

Quote from: Razgon on August 17, 2011, 06:12:45 PM

Quote from: TiLT on August 17, 2011, 05:54:58 PM

Quote from: Razgon on August 17, 2011, 05:49:14 PM

Quote from: TiLT on August 17, 2011, 05:44:17 PM

Quote from: Razgon on August 17, 2011, 05:32:57 PM

Television shows, and television in general is being geared towards the generation that watches tv with only half of their attention, since they are doing other stuff at the same time.

Nonsense! TV series have never been as sophisticated and deep as they are these days, sitcoms and similar shows excluded. If you claim otherwise you're just applying selective memory.

Not at all - Quite a lot of shows are based around the idea, that you don't have to watch it all to understand it. Of course, there are exceptions (HBO in general makes these), but take a look at what is shown at primetime every day on the major channels. Its things like "Friends", "Simpsons", reality shows, and other light entertainment shows that offers instant gratification instead of making the viewer pay full attention.

I have a friend who works at TV2 here in Denmark, who says that its something they think about all the time, when planning what shows to show and when to do it.

Of course they do! It's an important part of their job.

Let's put it like this: Most TV series today are made so that you can jump into them at any point and understand what's going on. 15 years ago, ALL series were made that way. Stop wearing those blinds, man!


So, you don't believe that the fact people are online today every second of their lives, through computers or phones, has anything to do with lower attention spans when it comes to for instance entertainment? Or studies?

I never said that. Don't change the subject just because you lost this one. slywink
3995  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Elder Scrolls V:Skyrim on: August 17, 2011, 06:00:04 PM
I hope those screens are from the 360. While they are considerably better looking than Oblivion, it's going to look a little dated if it looks like that on the PC.
3996  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why most people don't finish video games on: August 17, 2011, 05:54:58 PM

Quote from: Razgon on August 17, 2011, 05:49:14 PM

Quote from: TiLT on August 17, 2011, 05:44:17 PM

Quote from: Razgon on August 17, 2011, 05:32:57 PM

Television shows, and television in general is being geared towards the generation that watches tv with only half of their attention, since they are doing other stuff at the same time.

Nonsense! TV series have never been as sophisticated and deep as they are these days, sitcoms and similar shows excluded. If you claim otherwise you're just applying selective memory.

Not at all - Quite a lot of shows are based around the idea, that you don't have to watch it all to understand it. Of course, there are exceptions (HBO in general makes these), but take a look at what is shown at primetime every day on the major channels. Its things like "Friends", "Simpsons", reality shows, and other light entertainment shows that offers instant gratification instead of making the viewer pay full attention.

I have a friend who works at TV2 here in Denmark, who says that its something they think about all the time, when planning what shows to show and when to do it.

Of course they do! It's an important part of their job.

Let's put it like this: Most TV series today are made so that you can jump into them at any point and understand what's going on. 15 years ago, ALL series were made that way. Stop wearing those blinds, man!
3997  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why most people don't finish video games on: August 17, 2011, 05:44:17 PM

Quote from: Razgon on August 17, 2011, 05:32:57 PM

Television shows, and television in general is being geared towards the generation that watches tv with only half of their attention, since they are doing other stuff at the same time.

Nonsense! TV series have never been as sophisticated and deep as they are these days, sitcoms and similar shows excluded. If you claim otherwise you're just applying selective memory.
3998  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: August 17, 2011, 05:29:19 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on August 17, 2011, 05:21:33 PM

Quote from: TK-421 on August 17, 2011, 03:32:36 PM



So what was the original display?

I have no idea, but I could easily imagine this as a placeholder for Kinectimals on the 360. Tongue
3999  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why most people don't finish video games on: August 17, 2011, 03:23:43 PM
I remember back when Max Payne was released, one of the shortest games ever (of high quality at least) at the time at its 10 hours. There was a lot of criticism over how short the game was, with many people refusing to buy it because they didn't feel that the short play time was worth their money.

Nowadays Max Payne feels rather lengthy.
4000  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Lord of the Rings Extended Edition Blu Ray news (bonus! back in theaters too!) on: August 17, 2011, 04:41:05 AM
I've got a high-quality plasma TV with excellent color reproduction, and have also calibrated it with values from expert tuners. I still couldn't see the tint. White looked white to me.
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