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81  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Gaming through a Virtual Machine configuration on: January 16, 2013, 06:45:24 AM
It would help if you gave us the hardware specs the VM is running on.

Atomic
82  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Intel Preparing to End CPU Upgrades? on: November 30, 2012, 07:23:01 AM
I must admit, when I purchase equipment these days, I do tend to buy motherboard, cpu, AND ram, simultaneously.

BUT... replacing a cpu, or motherboard individually, will no longer be an option, and thus more expensive/annoying when it does make itself necessary.

Atomic
83  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Building a single purpose gaming pc? UPDATE - Built! on: November 24, 2012, 11:53:15 PM
http://www.elpamsoft.com/?p=SSD-Tweaker

You'll want that. Especially since you didnt directly install to the SSD, it will set a bunch of things for you that you might want to/ought to already be set, if you had, in order to optimize windows to run on the ssd.

(also stuff there that windows wouldn't set on its own)

Atomic

You can do it manually if you like, but there's not a lot of reason to.

Btw, with 8 gigs of memory online, and I assume 64bit windows 7, you could turn off your pagefile completely and never miss it, unless you use some particularly huge piece of software that needs large blocks of memory... think photoshop.
84  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Building a single purpose gaming pc? UPDATE - Built! on: November 24, 2012, 11:13:05 PM
With your system, my strategy would be to focus on 'fast enough' for the cpu... amd's are good, but they just aren't super competitive on the high end of things, at least in raw performance... and spend more money on the GPU, where you can absolutely make a difference.

The 660ti is a good gpu to go with. It's the lowest tier of the 'performance' range of the 600 series, and practically speaking, going up in tiers to the 670 and 680 units, only nets you approx 5% or so on performance with each step. (varies depending on game, resolution, and eye candy).

The crucial m4 is a nice choice for the ssd. It's not the fastest beast in the woods, but it's in there, and there haven't been any significant issues I can remember cropping up with those.

Which OS? Are you planning to make the SSD your boot/system drive?

Atomic
85  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: problem with microsoft explorer stopping on: November 24, 2012, 10:56:20 PM
really _really_ smells like a memory error.

any other symptoms?

details of your memory checks. what software and for how long?

how often does the error show up?

Atomic
86  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Connecting PVR to home theatre and TV on: November 24, 2012, 10:54:20 PM
And yes, you're having a brain fart. Whooped by a home theatre setup. The shame. biggrin

Atomic
87  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Connecting PVR to home theatre and TV on: November 24, 2012, 10:52:31 PM
1: shouldnt both your pvr be feeding into the home theatre, and the ht then feeds the tv? same for the dvd player? (dvd player integrated into home theatre?)
2: were you perhaps using the audio out on the tv in some way to feed back into the home theatre? (probably only stereo out, so this solution is unlikely to work, at least as 5.1)

Limited knowledge of the inputs and outputs on your home theatre system prevent a clear answer, unfortunately.

Atomic
88  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: PC appears to be on last leg on: October 20, 2012, 08:25:20 PM
This is going to sound like a broken record because I mention it so many times but...

When you assembled the new machine... were the sata cable(s) new? So far from personal experience, and more than once while troubleshooting for others... the cables have been the problem.

If your sata cable is brand new with the machine, and of 'good quality'... (you'll have to be the judge)... then the cable is probably not causing the drive issues.. (it's disappearing from the bios if this is what is happening).

Other possibilities are vagaries with the boot order in your bios settings. I personally set my bios to whichever optical and/or drive I'm interested in seeing the computer from... and I specifically remove/disable all other devices from the list, in order to prevent things from getting confused. Removing the vista drive from the bootable possibilities via the bios, and leaving everything else alone... if it fixes your problem, and nothing else ever occurs, then it was simply a boot order preference issue in the bios. If you do this and one day you come home with a message from your comp saying it couldn't find a bootable drive... now you KNOW the ssd is dropping out from the chain.

Technically it's possible the SSD is dieing. It's not likely however, given that it has been working for months without an issue.

Check the bios.
Check the cables.
Re-check the cables. They're only made for 50 insertions or so, and given human nature, both on the manufacturing and user ends, that number can sometimes go waaaaaay south from 50 before they wear out.

If you want to order new cables, you can get some good ones from Newegg (or elsewhere, of course). OKGear, Nippon Labs, I've personally used both, and are very suitable.

You could also go to a place like http://www.monoprice.com/ for good quality cables.

Just re-read your last post. Seems the ssd was showing in the bios, but had been removed from the boot order for some reason. That, to me, much improves the odds of it being a bios issue and not a hardware issues. It's not set in stone though.

scenario: computer is on, cable wiggles, drive drops from the chain
computer reboots, drive is still not showing, bios removes ssd from listings
computer boots to vista drive because it's still in the chain, achieves partial boot
You come home, find the computer, shout at it, touch it, press buttons, whatever
Cable wiggles again
You reboot computer, SSD now showing in drive listings, but still not set in the boot chain because you haven't manually put it back yet.

I suffered from a version of this (using hard drives) for... a couple months (and that's all I'm admitting to)... before I figured out what was going on :/

Start with the BIOS... it's cheaper and easier. Once you rule that out, suspect your cables. Then, and only then, suspect the SSD.

Trick: Assuming you use a sata optical drive... swap the cable from it, to the ssd. And swap the one on the ssd to the optical. Now watch for a while and see if your optical drive disappears, which WONT crash the computer.

Atomic
89  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Mechwarrior Online - reserve your name on: September 22, 2012, 07:00:38 AM
Btw, in spite of my previous posting about an email, apparently the founders packages are still available.

At the very least, the links are still up on the main page of their website as if they are.

Atomic
90  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Mechwarrior Online - reserve your name on: September 22, 2012, 06:58:49 AM
Mechwarrior, Mechwarrior 2, Mechcommander, Mechcommander 2, Mechwarrior 3, Mechwarrior 4, Kesmai Battletech, MPBT3025, Battletech Solaris (or was this the Kesmai version, I never played.)

We're way past '2' biggrin

Don't feel too bad. My playing has been sporadic as well. I login and drop a few times every once in a while, but without global (or at least faction) communications, all it really is is random and semi-random matchups online. It'll get better, it will just take time.

Atomic

PS: Not to mention some of the really oldies, like Crescent Hawks Inception/Revenge.
91  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Firefall Invite Thread on: September 06, 2012, 08:32:41 PM
Faide invited.

Atomic
92  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Firefall Invite Thread on: September 06, 2012, 04:29:57 AM
I currently have two invites available. Send me a PM with the email address you want the invitation sent to, and I'll send one along.

Atomic

Lockdown, you still haven't accepted your invite. Don't make me take it back biggrin
93  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Mechwarrior Online - reserve your name on: August 22, 2012, 04:52:25 AM
Per email this evening, Sept 6th will mark the end of the Founders program. Pony up or forever hold your peace, warriors.

http://mwomercs.com/founders

Atomic
94  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Firefall Invite Thread on: August 14, 2012, 08:18:06 AM
Two more invites available here.

btw, they're promising no more exp wipes at this point.

Atomic

PS: Due to thread inactivity, Lockdown received the first invite at request. Still have one left though.
95  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Interesting trick for those with boot sector HD issues. on: July 28, 2012, 10:22:32 PM
http://www.tech-forums.net/pc/f128/ssd-tweak-guide-236563/

http://www.techspot.com/downloads/4926-ssd-tweaker.html  (also linked at bottom of article, repeated here for easy access)

Handy little bugger. Decide which, if any, of the tweaks you like from the article, etc.

Atomic

(Which drive did you get?)
96  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Interesting trick for those with boot sector HD issues. on: July 27, 2012, 03:43:23 AM
Interesting workaround. We like.

So what's the plan for the drive?

* TheAtomicKid firmly recommends a modest sized SSD for the OS these days.

Atomic
97  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Mechwarrior Online - reserve your name on: July 27, 2012, 03:40:40 AM
 ninja

biggrin
98  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Mechwarrior Online - reserve your name on: July 23, 2012, 02:00:08 AM
I do like the way it's kind of unobtrusively built into the corner. Close it up and it becomes non-obvious for guests.

Atomic
99  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: cpu temp on: July 11, 2012, 09:05:06 PM
Ivy Bridge runs hotter than previous, due to them using thermal paste for the heat spreaders, instead of soldering them in as they used to do. (solder transfers heat better, apparently).

From looking around, apparently intel raised the TJ MAX for ivy bridge to 105c from previous chips, so you're in the safe, and average, zone.

Atomic
100  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: We had a moment of weakness... on: July 09, 2012, 02:16:31 AM
I'm going with my rule of 'never let newegg ship you a replacement of anything'

From a manufacturer RMA, sure. FROM THE MANUFACTURER... but the 'egg has a bunch of trained sock puppets doing the equivalent of 'hmm, it looks ok so it must be ok... sell it again'.

When I shipped a gtx 560ti back to them previously, specifically noting the problem (it had a bad fan... ramp it over 50% or so and it started ticking like crazy... basically a big red flag that the fan was going to go bad, and annoying as hell as soon as you fired up a decent game)... they restocked it and charged me the 10% saying 'no problem found'.

If they can't find the problem when I specifically tell them what the problem is, and how to replicate it, then they don't WANT to find the problem.

So sanity has prevailed, for now. With a little help :/

Atomic
101  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: We had a moment of weakness... on: July 07, 2012, 12:34:41 PM
Or the card could start generating corruption on a regular basis, two weeks in. Did some testing, but it appears the card is dieing.

Back it goes. 'Old Reliable' is back in its slot, and doing its thing.

Will be returning for refund. 'Egg is infamous for sending out used replacements that it thinks there is nothing wrong with.

Atomic
102  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: We had a moment of weakness... on: June 29, 2012, 06:10:48 AM
Actually, I'm really liking the framerate targeting feature than evga's Precision X software features.

Give the card extra power budget, set 60fps target, turn off vsync in your game, and personally I turn on triple buffering because it prevents any image tearing you might get, and presto. Instant, smooth, 60 fps gameplay, with little variation if your card is strong enough that it normally runs higher than that.

In particular, World of Tanks is behaving very very nicely with this configuration.... and no overclocking was necessary. I set the extra power budget to insure the card didn't try to boost and then throttle, if the scenes got complex with additional tanks, for instance. Given how overbuilt the card is, I'm not concerned at all... and I'm pretty sure the extra 1/3rd power budget is 'safe', after reading around, and having both P-X and MSI's Afterburner offer this level.

Atomic
103  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: We had a moment of weakness... on: June 28, 2012, 07:54:49 PM
Yeah it works. I get a zero smile

Atomic

(apparently it's a bug in the latest patch with d3)
104  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: We had a moment of weakness... on: June 28, 2012, 08:32:52 AM
Oh and for the record, it'll do 1.4 GHz with very little fiddling. Haven't tried more yet. Seems terribly unnecessary atm.

Atomic
105  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: We had a moment of weakness... on: June 28, 2012, 06:08:29 AM
1: BIG. Not a little big. BIG big. Just shy of not fitting in my Antec three hundred case big. Part of the card up into the drive bays big.

2: Quiet. Very very quiet. It CAN get loud, but it hasn't done so while gaming yet. It's on the same level as my GTX260 SOC, which is extremely tolerable until the fans ramp up above 60% or so.

3: Temps are much cooler. Loaded temp on the GTX260 could hit 92C... 680 is tons cooler. Idles at (started at 30c, ramped up from there. After exiting gaming, etc, it's back down to 35-36c... ambient should be at or around 25c) (remember, this is also inside my fairly crowded case which I HAVE optimized for cooling as best possible)

4: WoT now running at 120 fps base. Need to fuss with my CPU and see what that can do. (WoT is fairly cpu limited for some reason).. my cpu currently at 3.6 GHz with no turbo enabled. If you'll recall from my previous threads, the GTX260 ran World of Tanks at a rough base of 70 fps in this computer, so basically added about 40% to the framerate by swapping up, with no other changes.

5: Diablo 3 doesn't display framerate atm. Getting a zero. Expect it will be quite high.

Reasons I bought it? GTX260 getting long in the tooth. And tbh, glad to get that fireball out of the case. It was made to work at those temps, but it made everything else that much warmer. Plus I was getting occasional gpu resets which I'm attributing to age + temperature... although at least a couple of those resets occurred at the desktop. The SOC units are rather massively overclocked... 576 MHz base speed, and the unit we have came from the factory at 680. It's actually faster than a stock GTX 275. Also throw in DirectX 9/10/11 compatibility and performance and my relatively recent upgrade to a 1920x1200 display, at which level the 260 was starting to suffer.

Reason I bought it over a stock GTX 680? Massively overbuilt. Backplate, oversized fans,  extra copper, 'military class' msi branding. Basically, quality, quality, quality. Plus the extra clocks right in the bios don't hurt one bit. I've never ever ever owned a card this far ahead of the curve.

Worth the money?  A relative statement. The card is worth 600$ as much as any gpu might be. Basically, it's a toy. A toy that ought to last me two years, but a toy nevertheless. If you don't want to spend 600$, but might consider spending 400$, take a look at the GTX 670 Power Edition, also from MSI. Same concept as the lightning, but on the 670 framework. Even uses the same backplate. Fans aren't quite as big though... biggrin

Atomic





106  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Powerline problems on: June 25, 2012, 04:21:11 AM
Sounds like you have noise on the line NOT coming from the air conditioning.

Cellphone chargers are notorious for this.

Tell us more about your setup.

http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/

Atomic

PS: A powerline surge could theoretically have damaged one or both of your units. Also I don't know how they work for signal filtration, if any... as a comparison, the little DSL filters you have to install between a DSL enabled phone line and any POTS equipment installed... those wear out. When they wear out you start getting real connectivity issues with the DSL end for some reason. Which is weird, because you would think that the only result would be that you start hearing noise on the POTS equipment due to the filter being blown...but no, the DSL equipment will start having issues as WELL as having noise on your phone.
107  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: We had a moment of weakness... on: June 22, 2012, 08:25:48 AM
If you running mult-imonitor resolutions it can start to make a difference. *innocent whistle*

Atomic
108  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / We had a moment of weakness... on: June 22, 2012, 08:01:43 AM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127693

It was my elbow, I swear! I turned to look at the cat and when I looked back....

Thank you for shopping at Newegg.com.

We are happy to inform you that your order (Sales Order Number: xxxxxxxxx) has been successfully charged to your Bill Me Later and order verification is now complete.


It's not my fault!

But since the damage is already done, now I just have to figure out how to pay for it in between everything else...

Did I mention my water heater developed a leak and is 17 years old? (11 years in the box though, only 6 installed... the water heater is relatively fine, but the fittings above it started leaking because the contractor cheaped out during the installation. Plumber won't touch it without replacing it, and after his explanation I understand why. (scenario: plumber replaces plumbing, and three months later, the X year old waterheater craps out and dumps water all over someones house. They scream at plumber to 'come fix your screwup'. So he doesn't touch anything over 6-8 years old without full replacement.)).

Yeesh. Seriously though, I've been sorta waiting for the 'perfect' gpu for me, and this is as close as it comes, at least lately.

Thought about getting a gtx 670 power edition, but it wasn't quite enough to overcome my 'trying to be good' mentality.

Then these popped up.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_680_Lightning/

Basically, they're MSI's answer to Gigabytes Superoverclock series. With bells on.

Oh, for reference in the review. The GTX 260 isn't listed, so, roughly, the HD5770, which is.

Atomic




109  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: HDMI Sound on PC Help Needed on: June 07, 2012, 08:31:00 PM
Think of it as an opportunity to invest in some nice speakers, as opposed to settling for whatever crap they include in your monitor bezel.

The port on your display is probably a pass-through. Try hooking your speakers to that, or you could just hook straight to the sound card (remember to set the sound outputs properly)

Atomic

(woops, looks like I'm a little redundant here. but perhaps some additional clarity.)

(quick thought: would it be standard stereo out on the pass-through, or is it digital sound, which would make hooking it to a set of speakers more complex?)
110  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: building a combination Linux media server/mythTV and Windows gaming machine on: May 27, 2012, 10:22:01 AM
SFF, so mini-itx?

I used a Silverstone SG06.. (though with the 300 watt sfx power supply) to build my mom's mini. She likes it, and it's nice that it doesn't take up a ton of space. Any GPU installed will have fairly nice ventilation from the fairly open side perforations, although I might tinker with the fannage if i were going to install a high power gpu.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811163172

That one has the upgraded PSU.. be sure to choose it, rather than the older variant, for a gaming machine, if you plan to utilize a modern gpu.

Be warned that most slim optical drives, will utilize a micro sata connector cluster. You'll need a converter to connect it.

Be sure to do some research on the available power connectors from the psu as well. Believe the 300 watt psu has 1 pci-e connector, iirc.

Atomic
111  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Recomend a Free DVD Decorder on: May 24, 2012, 08:15:19 PM
http://www.cccp-project.net/

The only thing you need for... well.. almost anything. And it doesn't install a crapload of ... stuff... on your computer, either. Slim and trim.

Now.. if you want a more home theater experience... try

http://xbmc.org/

Atomic
112  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: nVidia GTX 680 - GTX 690 & GTX 670 join the club on: May 16, 2012, 05:33:47 AM

Quote from: Misguided on May 15, 2012, 02:28:41 PM

Quote from: Zinfan on May 15, 2012, 12:14:45 AM

Well looks like the 670 is the card I've been waiting for, just ordered one from Newegg for $399.  Should be a slight step up from the ati 4870 that I have in there now.

Not seeing what makes it so special. Toms had it running hotter and louder than the 680.

Well, it's 95% of the performance at 80% of the cost, is the part that's making it worthwhile.

They could have made the cooling system more quiet, though. But all you have to do to fix that, is get a card with an aftermarket cooler.

I'm sensing an MSI PC (power and cooling?) edition soon. Basically, with a switch to either run in OC mode, or in Silent mode.

I had really good luck with my Gigabyte built GTX 260 SOC (super overclock) edition... although it is gifted with a 'stock' cooler, rather than one of their new windforce setups, which I felt was a little flimsy on the gtx 560ti that I ordered once upon a time and returned. (defective fan). (GB gifted it with a bios tuned for silence)

Atomic
113  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: What is it with DVD drives in my system? on: May 12, 2012, 10:39:46 PM
Any revelations from the testing? Really curious as to what your results were, as this problem crops up on a fairly regular basis in one variant or another, so anything I can do to refine the troubleshooting lets me do it better for others, not to mention myself.

Atomic
114  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: nVidia GTX 680 - GTX 690 joins the club on: May 08, 2012, 01:10:41 AM
I hate being broke. There was an Asus branded gtx 680 in stock at newegg earlier. It even has the 499$ msrp pricing. I had to let it slide. For now.

The good news is my gtx 260 is holding up remarkably well with everything I currently play. World of Tanks (which hardly strains it), TERA, which plays nicely in spite of what should be moderate strain, Skyrim, which does ok, etc etc etc.

* TheAtomicKid soldiers on.

PS: /me has pondered the gtx 580 route... can get them as cheaply as 389$ these days.
115  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Quiet but Deadly (Now with build pics) on: May 07, 2012, 06:13:04 AM
Out of curiosity, how's your samsung ssd holding up? If you noticed in the thread here...

http://gamingtrend.com/forums/hardware-software-hell/building-a-new-rig/

I posted some comments about my own experience.

Atomic
116  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Building a new rig on: May 06, 2012, 12:09:32 AM
I liked the RPS articles, appreciate the link.

CPU choice, solid. Mobo choice, decent, ASUS not my favorite, but the price is definitely economical. Ram, I'm a Corsair guy myself (but I do like Patriot USB flash drives, no reason to doubt their ram products),and yes, 8GB is PLENTY of ram, unless you have something particualr in mind.  GPU choice is decent, although with 7xxx stuff solidly on the market, I'd go that route instead for the performance/power advantages. Not to mention driver focus will be on that now.

SSD choice, meh. Not too trusting of OCZ after all their undocumented product changeups. The RPS article listed good choices, with one honorable non-mentioned, and I'm surprised they missed it. The Corsair Performance Pro series, uses a Marvell controller with Toshiba 32nm toggle mode nand, which is more durable than the more common 24nm nand you find in most drives these days. (there are several other drive variants that use this combination, and a couple that use a Sandforce controller and 32nm toggle mode as well. Patriot Wildfire drives come to mind as an example)

Basically, if I were getting Sandforce drive, I'd either get an Intel 520, or I'd find one of the drives that also sport the toggle nand. You'll pay a little more either route, but Sandforce has had some problems with the last batch of controllers, and Intel is the only manufacturer that has solidly whooped the issue... and to my knowledge, that firmware is NOT available for other manufacturers at this point in time. So either get that, or the extra performance/durability from the toggle nand.

If I were NOT getting a Sandforce drive, my next choice would either be Marvell controller plus toggle mode nand, or just plain Marvell controller with regular synchronous nand (think crucial m4).

I recently bought two of the samsung drives, and they're solid drives. BUT. They're lousy about cleaning up after themselves. Admittedly I run mine in a raid0, so trim is currently not functional. But my boot drive is a pair of intel x25's in raid0, and my games drive is my pair of samsungs in raid0.

Guess which set is more fragmented? You betcha, it's the samsungs. Even after moving the games off the drive once to get rid of some previous fragmentation (and it did work, btw, dropped fragment to nearly zero)... after installing TERA afterwards, and even letting the drives sit idle during the day, which lets garbage cleanup do its thing... the volume is... 46% fragmented, last time I checked. Vs 4% for the intel volume.

With trim enabled it will probably do better, but there's a gigantic difference between the two. And even with SSD's, fragmentation is detrimental. In particular, it will eventually start increasing write amplifcation to the volume, which can wear your drive out substantially faster.

I like the sammy's, but I sometimes wonder if the crucial m4's might have been a better choice.

OS: Solid bullseye. I run it... XP compatibility mode has been unnecessary for me to this point.

Atomic
117  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: What is it with DVD drives in my system? on: April 19, 2012, 07:34:52 PM
If you must order from newegg, (as I did the last time before discovering monoprice), I have some OKGears that I've been using. Good quality, no problems.

Atomic
118  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: What is it with DVD drives in my system? on: April 18, 2012, 07:20:49 AM
Any updates here?

Atomic
119  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: What is it with DVD drives in my system? on: April 13, 2012, 07:10:12 PM

Quote from: Purge on April 13, 2012, 04:33:36 PM

Quote from: TheAtomicKid on April 11, 2012, 08:11:41 PM

they're only rated for 50 insertions on the connectors for internals, so it's possible to wear them out without working too hard at it.

This needs to be taken out of context.

Don't be messing around with just any old BIOS...

On a more serious note, it seems I remember another thread along these lines recently, but it was a hard drive that went out. And I seem to remember, from personal experience, when a hard drive went out recently, that it exhibited some of these symptoms, like the system having problems booting, intermittently before it finally gave up the ghost. That drive no longer shows if you hotplug it into a running system, and, iirc, if you try to boot that particular motherboard with it attached... it won't boot. (p45 based board). Of course I haven't tried it since the rebuild... never had any reason to.

How are your backups? Keep an eye on your ssd and hard drives for misbehavior. I wouldnt really suspect the ssd, but technically the electronics on it could go like any other drive.

Atomic
120  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: What is it with DVD drives in my system? on: April 13, 2012, 07:15:55 AM
order of connection should not affect anything. I've yet to see a bios that it would, as long as they're all on a controller that has drivers installed.

if the build has been in place for two years without mishap, and the problems with the dvd's are recent... hmm. I see you have an ssd on the chain. new? basically, have you added drives, rearranged, etc, recently?

basic reasoning is, it's unlikely you've had two opticals go out in similar fashion, and it be the actual optical drives.

that leaves cables, drive controller, and frankly, not much else.

missing bootmgr as I stated indicates the system didnt see a bootable drive when it tried to start up.

unplugging the optical drive in question and having everything work suddenly, is par for the symptoms I had before.

had you been in the case recently, before you started having problems?

Atomic
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