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161  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: We had a moment of weakness... on: June 22, 2012, 08:25:48 AM
If you running mult-imonitor resolutions it can start to make a difference. *innocent whistle*

162  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / We had a moment of weakness... on: June 22, 2012, 08:01:43 AM

It was my elbow, I swear! I turned to look at the cat and when I looked back....

Thank you for shopping at

We are happy to inform you that your order (Sales Order Number: xxxxxxxxx) has been successfully charged to your Bill Me Later and order verification is now complete.

It's not my fault!

But since the damage is already done, now I just have to figure out how to pay for it in between everything else...

Did I mention my water heater developed a leak and is 17 years old? (11 years in the box though, only 6 installed... the water heater is relatively fine, but the fittings above it started leaking because the contractor cheaped out during the installation. Plumber won't touch it without replacing it, and after his explanation I understand why. (scenario: plumber replaces plumbing, and three months later, the X year old waterheater craps out and dumps water all over someones house. They scream at plumber to 'come fix your screwup'. So he doesn't touch anything over 6-8 years old without full replacement.)).

Yeesh. Seriously though, I've been sorta waiting for the 'perfect' gpu for me, and this is as close as it comes, at least lately.

Thought about getting a gtx 670 power edition, but it wasn't quite enough to overcome my 'trying to be good' mentality.

Then these popped up.

Basically, they're MSI's answer to Gigabytes Superoverclock series. With bells on.

Oh, for reference in the review. The GTX 260 isn't listed, so, roughly, the HD5770, which is.


163  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: HDMI Sound on PC Help Needed on: June 07, 2012, 08:31:00 PM
Think of it as an opportunity to invest in some nice speakers, as opposed to settling for whatever crap they include in your monitor bezel.

The port on your display is probably a pass-through. Try hooking your speakers to that, or you could just hook straight to the sound card (remember to set the sound outputs properly)


(woops, looks like I'm a little redundant here. but perhaps some additional clarity.)

(quick thought: would it be standard stereo out on the pass-through, or is it digital sound, which would make hooking it to a set of speakers more complex?)
164  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: building a combination Linux media server/mythTV and Windows gaming machine on: May 27, 2012, 10:22:01 AM
SFF, so mini-itx?

I used a Silverstone SG06.. (though with the 300 watt sfx power supply) to build my mom's mini. She likes it, and it's nice that it doesn't take up a ton of space. Any GPU installed will have fairly nice ventilation from the fairly open side perforations, although I might tinker with the fannage if i were going to install a high power gpu.

That one has the upgraded PSU.. be sure to choose it, rather than the older variant, for a gaming machine, if you plan to utilize a modern gpu.

Be warned that most slim optical drives, will utilize a micro sata connector cluster. You'll need a converter to connect it.

Be sure to do some research on the available power connectors from the psu as well. Believe the 300 watt psu has 1 pci-e connector, iirc.

165  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Recomend a Free DVD Decorder on: May 24, 2012, 08:15:19 PM

The only thing you need for... well.. almost anything. And it doesn't install a crapload of ... stuff... on your computer, either. Slim and trim.

Now.. if you want a more home theater experience... try

166  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: nVidia GTX 680 - GTX 690 & GTX 670 join the club on: May 16, 2012, 05:33:47 AM

Quote from: Misguided on May 15, 2012, 02:28:41 PM

Quote from: Zinfan on May 15, 2012, 12:14:45 AM

Well looks like the 670 is the card I've been waiting for, just ordered one from Newegg for $399.  Should be a slight step up from the ati 4870 that I have in there now.

Not seeing what makes it so special. Toms had it running hotter and louder than the 680.

Well, it's 95% of the performance at 80% of the cost, is the part that's making it worthwhile.

They could have made the cooling system more quiet, though. But all you have to do to fix that, is get a card with an aftermarket cooler.

I'm sensing an MSI PC (power and cooling?) edition soon. Basically, with a switch to either run in OC mode, or in Silent mode.

I had really good luck with my Gigabyte built GTX 260 SOC (super overclock) edition... although it is gifted with a 'stock' cooler, rather than one of their new windforce setups, which I felt was a little flimsy on the gtx 560ti that I ordered once upon a time and returned. (defective fan). (GB gifted it with a bios tuned for silence)

167  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: What is it with DVD drives in my system? on: May 12, 2012, 10:39:46 PM
Any revelations from the testing? Really curious as to what your results were, as this problem crops up on a fairly regular basis in one variant or another, so anything I can do to refine the troubleshooting lets me do it better for others, not to mention myself.

168  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: nVidia GTX 680 - GTX 690 joins the club on: May 08, 2012, 01:10:41 AM
I hate being broke. There was an Asus branded gtx 680 in stock at newegg earlier. It even has the 499$ msrp pricing. I had to let it slide. For now.

The good news is my gtx 260 is holding up remarkably well with everything I currently play. World of Tanks (which hardly strains it), TERA, which plays nicely in spite of what should be moderate strain, Skyrim, which does ok, etc etc etc.

* TheAtomicKid soldiers on.

PS: /me has pondered the gtx 580 route... can get them as cheaply as 389$ these days.
169  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Quiet but Deadly (Now with build pics) on: May 07, 2012, 06:13:04 AM
Out of curiosity, how's your samsung ssd holding up? If you noticed in the thread here...

I posted some comments about my own experience.

170  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Building a new rig on: May 06, 2012, 12:09:32 AM
I liked the RPS articles, appreciate the link.

CPU choice, solid. Mobo choice, decent, ASUS not my favorite, but the price is definitely economical. Ram, I'm a Corsair guy myself (but I do like Patriot USB flash drives, no reason to doubt their ram products),and yes, 8GB is PLENTY of ram, unless you have something particualr in mind.  GPU choice is decent, although with 7xxx stuff solidly on the market, I'd go that route instead for the performance/power advantages. Not to mention driver focus will be on that now.

SSD choice, meh. Not too trusting of OCZ after all their undocumented product changeups. The RPS article listed good choices, with one honorable non-mentioned, and I'm surprised they missed it. The Corsair Performance Pro series, uses a Marvell controller with Toshiba 32nm toggle mode nand, which is more durable than the more common 24nm nand you find in most drives these days. (there are several other drive variants that use this combination, and a couple that use a Sandforce controller and 32nm toggle mode as well. Patriot Wildfire drives come to mind as an example)

Basically, if I were getting Sandforce drive, I'd either get an Intel 520, or I'd find one of the drives that also sport the toggle nand. You'll pay a little more either route, but Sandforce has had some problems with the last batch of controllers, and Intel is the only manufacturer that has solidly whooped the issue... and to my knowledge, that firmware is NOT available for other manufacturers at this point in time. So either get that, or the extra performance/durability from the toggle nand.

If I were NOT getting a Sandforce drive, my next choice would either be Marvell controller plus toggle mode nand, or just plain Marvell controller with regular synchronous nand (think crucial m4).

I recently bought two of the samsung drives, and they're solid drives. BUT. They're lousy about cleaning up after themselves. Admittedly I run mine in a raid0, so trim is currently not functional. But my boot drive is a pair of intel x25's in raid0, and my games drive is my pair of samsungs in raid0.

Guess which set is more fragmented? You betcha, it's the samsungs. Even after moving the games off the drive once to get rid of some previous fragmentation (and it did work, btw, dropped fragment to nearly zero)... after installing TERA afterwards, and even letting the drives sit idle during the day, which lets garbage cleanup do its thing... the volume is... 46% fragmented, last time I checked. Vs 4% for the intel volume.

With trim enabled it will probably do better, but there's a gigantic difference between the two. And even with SSD's, fragmentation is detrimental. In particular, it will eventually start increasing write amplifcation to the volume, which can wear your drive out substantially faster.

I like the sammy's, but I sometimes wonder if the crucial m4's might have been a better choice.

OS: Solid bullseye. I run it... XP compatibility mode has been unnecessary for me to this point.

171  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: What is it with DVD drives in my system? on: April 19, 2012, 07:34:52 PM
If you must order from newegg, (as I did the last time before discovering monoprice), I have some OKGears that I've been using. Good quality, no problems.

172  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: What is it with DVD drives in my system? on: April 18, 2012, 07:20:49 AM
Any updates here?

173  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: What is it with DVD drives in my system? on: April 13, 2012, 07:10:12 PM

Quote from: Purge on April 13, 2012, 04:33:36 PM

Quote from: TheAtomicKid on April 11, 2012, 08:11:41 PM

they're only rated for 50 insertions on the connectors for internals, so it's possible to wear them out without working too hard at it.

This needs to be taken out of context.

Don't be messing around with just any old BIOS...

On a more serious note, it seems I remember another thread along these lines recently, but it was a hard drive that went out. And I seem to remember, from personal experience, when a hard drive went out recently, that it exhibited some of these symptoms, like the system having problems booting, intermittently before it finally gave up the ghost. That drive no longer shows if you hotplug it into a running system, and, iirc, if you try to boot that particular motherboard with it attached... it won't boot. (p45 based board). Of course I haven't tried it since the rebuild... never had any reason to.

How are your backups? Keep an eye on your ssd and hard drives for misbehavior. I wouldnt really suspect the ssd, but technically the electronics on it could go like any other drive.

174  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: What is it with DVD drives in my system? on: April 13, 2012, 07:15:55 AM
order of connection should not affect anything. I've yet to see a bios that it would, as long as they're all on a controller that has drivers installed.

if the build has been in place for two years without mishap, and the problems with the dvd's are recent... hmm. I see you have an ssd on the chain. new? basically, have you added drives, rearranged, etc, recently?

basic reasoning is, it's unlikely you've had two opticals go out in similar fashion, and it be the actual optical drives.

that leaves cables, drive controller, and frankly, not much else.

missing bootmgr as I stated indicates the system didnt see a bootable drive when it tried to start up.

unplugging the optical drive in question and having everything work suddenly, is par for the symptoms I had before.

had you been in the case recently, before you started having problems?

175  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: What is it with DVD drives in my system? on: April 11, 2012, 08:11:41 PM
bootmgr is missing means system isn't spotting your boot volume on the hard drive. (which didn't necessarily cause your bsod)...

however... how old are your sata (data) cables.

when I had problems with mine, it turned out I had a batch of intermittent cables.

they're only rated for 50 insertions on the connectors for internals, so it's possible to wear them out without working too hard at it.

in any case, you're getting pretty much exactly what I got, when I had my issues.

my recommendation: replace ALL of the sata cables with new (they're relatively cheap, so no excuses). if that solves your problem, you could, if you wanted, go through your cables one by one using a dvd drive to test with until you start getting intermittent errors, at which point you've found your cable(s).

assuming my 'analysis' is correct, your bsod was probably caused by the boot and or system drive, falling off the drive chain, which would be caused by enough communication errors on the sata connection. (they do error correction on both command and data channels, which is great... but the will fall out of the drive chain eventually)

at a guess. even without bsods, etc, your dvd drive(s) disappear at random times, yes?

if your cables are relatively brand new, aka you've only connected/disconnected them a few times each, the this is not likely your problem.

if the build is brand new, and you've had problems from day one, then go back to suspecting this... you might simply have a bad cable, right out of the package.

176  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Best Gaming Laptop on: April 04, 2012, 06:15:46 AM
Remember those are mobile variants, which are, well, never, the equivalent of their desktop brethren. To be checking the specs before pushing the button!

177  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Firefall Invite Thread on: March 31, 2012, 09:49:27 PM

Quote from: Thry on March 31, 2012, 01:34:26 PM

Good news!

On Monday, April 2nd, we will be turning the servers on and leaving them on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.

Way to read that last post there, Thry smile

178  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Firefall Invite Thread on: March 30, 2012, 10:58:42 AM
Testing going to 24/7 as of the 2nd. (note it's posted to the public, on purpose)

Harkonis invite was accepted, though he didn't bother to post here. Please update his status to keymaster.

For those of you not in yet. The game is quite nice. And combined with free, I think it's going to roll along for quite a while. Don't get depressed waiting.

179  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: SSD alert! on: March 30, 2012, 06:15:06 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on March 30, 2012, 04:11:38 AM

Quote from: Caine on March 30, 2012, 04:07:54 AM

They also have slightly different model for the same price, fwiw

thanks.  I did the math and to move Steam and all my other games onto a SSD I'd have to look into the 200 gig and above sizes to have enough room to keep all my old standby's while still being able to feed my gaming ADD properly biggrin

For that, we have the bulk capacity drives...

You'll note that the cheapest drives in the category are Crucial M4's, which are well regarded, and run neck in neck with the other performance category drives. It's 589$, but barring destruction of your rig, power surge, or somesuch, the drive will be with you for years. Rough estimate for the nand of 3000 erase cycles, combined with 512 GB size and wear leveling, quick calculation shows.... you'd have to write 1.5 Petabytes to the drive, give or take, before it wears out. How's that for endurance? biggrin

Thanks for finding the other drive for the same price, Caine... apparently a local friend and I pretty much killed the first deal between us. I bought two drives, and he bought a third, and shortly after that, it went out of stock.

180  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: SSD alert! on: March 28, 2012, 06:09:00 AM
that's 139.99 after the 40$ promo code. for the record that's 1.093xxx per gig.

181  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / SSD alert! on: March 28, 2012, 05:45:14 AM   Promo ends on 3/31

Note that it's a notebook upgrade kit, which doesn't include a 2.5 to 3.5 adapter. You may or may not need one to mount the drive in your case.

Folks, this is a really good deal. The pricing is down to almost a dollar a gig. The samsung drives are made entirely in-house, so to speak, with samsung parts from bottom to top. The reviews are out there, and they all come back pretty danged positive. (these are amongst the fastest ssd's in the market segment... aka equivalent to top end intel, marvell, and sandforce controller drives)

If you have at least a sata II port, and preferably sata III, THIS, will make a difference. 128 gigs is enough for a boot drive and a game or three. Or it's enough for several games if you dont use it as a boot drive.

Deal is good enough I actually caved and bought a couple myself, in spite of the fact that theyr'e not 'needed' atm. But wanted. Very much wanted.

Will be using the pair of these as a raid0 boot volume, and my existing pair of intels will become the dedicated raid0 games volume.

The good news is, this type of upgrade lasts a lot longer than a video card, barring misfortune biggrin


182  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Damn it. Best Antivirus? on: March 27, 2012, 08:59:41 AM
I've had really good luck over time with a combination of Spybot Search and Destroy, Malwarebytes, Microsoft Security Essentials, and the occasional sweep with DrWeb CureIt, which is available as a free download that didn't need to be installed to run a sweep with the latest. So far, nothing has managed to penetrate that combination, while using NoScript in conjunction with Firefox.

NoScript may be a pain to work through, but I consider it absolutely necessary in maintaining a 'secure' system. A backup choice might be to use Chrome, since it seems to default to or is capable of similar behavior of not allowing scripts unless you approve them. Chrome not installed atm, so I can't remember how it sets up by default, but I _think_ the previous statement is relatively true.

Flattened the lappie? Ouch frown I hope you meant that figuratively.


PS: Reinstalling windows from a usb stick is MUCH less painful than from optical. Get a copy of the .iso with SP1 already included, will save you on updates from now on. (if you haven't already done any of this)
PS2: That Ashampoo stuff looks interesting. Gonna give it a whirl. Thankyou for the free version link.
183  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Firefall Invite Thread on: March 25, 2012, 04:37:55 AM
Ok, Harkonis, you appear to be first on the list. Please send me a PM with the email address you want invited to the beta, aka the one you're going to be using to login with.

184  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Firefall Invite Thread on: March 24, 2012, 08:42:31 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on March 24, 2012, 03:32:53 PM

Oops, sorry, I already sent them to the people that PM'd me before checking this thread. 

Razgon and Elmo have beta invites sent, and can be removed from that list then.  And so can I, for that matter.

Oh, you can't leave the list... noone EVER leaves the list...

Plus you didn't do it right, so those invites are OURS. Forever...

185  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: nVidia GTX 680 on: March 23, 2012, 03:21:02 AM
I'm runnin on a GTX 260 here, I need a fix, lol!

Interestingly enough, supposedly according to those pics, someone was able to order a pair, yet they've been nothing but out of stock on the newegg I normally shop at, ever since they were listed. So it's either someone elses newegg, like canada? or newegg business, or somesuch.

Actually I'm trying to hold off for a while on gpu upgrades, but I may weaken. Going to try and hang in there til Diablo 3 releases, and see how it does on my 260, etc.

I think biggrin

186  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: nVidia GTX 680 on: March 22, 2012, 07:21:20 AM$499-Pricing-Confirmed.html

Sadly, MY newegg doesn't have them listed yet.

187  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Firefall Invite Thread on: March 21, 2012, 03:32:55 AM
I monitor my invites once a week on average... so far no invites to give. I hope it's not related to feedback, because I haven't been able to participate that much (yet).

188  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Firefox 6, anyone tried it yet? (previously discussing 5) on: March 20, 2012, 06:49:29 AM
Running 11 here. Everything smoothly updated, no problems with extensions. (downloadhelper, fast dial, and noscript)

189  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Twitching... on: March 18, 2012, 02:06:23 AM
Ok, got the thing re-installed with a functional raid-0.

Moving the drives to the first two ports, may or may not have fixed my 'missing cdrom' error. Not sure.

Add to that, apparently, out of the multiple f6 drivers I've tried, nothing I've downloaded has been detected by microsoft as compatible. However, there's a functioning driver on the Gigabyte disk, which of course, is attached to the intel drive controller which is set to raid mode, and thus, wasn't visible or useable to pull a driver from in order to.. yeah, catch-22 there.

During all this I pulled a Windows ISO image and loaded it to a USB stick to make it a little easier for the install. Added the driver from the gigabyte cdrom to that, and between all of the above, we were in business.

So basically my issues were, (possible, but I'm thinking unlikely) some sort of port error involving the sata 6 vs sata 3 ports.

Missing driver.. no really... due to not having a workable raid driver on the windows cdrom, it couldn't really spot the cdrom, while the bios was set to raid mode. So I forgive it this one.

This in spite of the fact that the intel information in their downloads area very clearly stated that I shouldn't need _anything_ with windows 7 to boot to a raid. Just setup the raid, insert the installation cd, and off we should have gone.

Missing driver caused by utter confusion over WHICH updated intel driver to download from the site. And unfortunately, gigabyte renames their drivers on the cdrom, and in their downloads area, so I couldn't even compare names.

The rest of the rebuild is continuing smoothly, now that I have a handle on exactly what was going on.

190  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: ... so tempting ... on: March 16, 2012, 08:04:10 PM

Quote from: Purge on March 16, 2012, 12:49:08 PM

I can't justify it. I want it, but I don't need it.

_Justify_ it? Oh please biggrin

This is a _gaming_ site...

191  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Twitching... on: March 16, 2012, 07:27:01 AM
Gotta update here. Pretty sure my 'heat warning' was a false alarm. The thing went off again tonight. Precisely at 11pm local, while I was sitting at the desktop. I _think_ there's a clock or something, hiding in a box under my desk, trying to fool me. Haven't found it yet.

*blushes a bit*

192  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: ... so tempting ... on: March 16, 2012, 04:23:49 AM
It's $199... you don't have to fight it that hard. Just be good for a while afterwards, and the universe will let it go. Probably.

Checked the tires on your vehicle lately? Water heater given any trouble?

You know me... I like to help biggrin

193  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Twitching... on: March 13, 2012, 08:40:47 PM
Take the numbers with a grain of salt, they're human eyeball numbers, from watching the meter while playing. If your system is anything like mine, those numbers vary quite a bit, based on what is on screen at the time. BUT. The 'average' fps, seems to be up about 10 or so.

I actually got a heat warning from what I'm pretty sure was the gpu the other night. Low beep tone, slow, then faster, then repeating. At which point I quit out of WoT, but by the time I got a hardware monitor fired up, the gpu was only at 88c. (which is higher than normal 260's because a: this unit is factory overclocked and b: this units fan profile is altered for silent running)

I've actually had it at 90c before, which is really about as warm as I ever want to see it, and the alarm didn't go off at that point smile


PS: your '70 fps more' comment is off from what I posted. Please re-read before purchasing anything smile ( went from what seemed to be a 45 fps average with occasional spikes up into the 70-90 fps land, to 55 fps average with spikes well above 120 fps)

PS2: I really like the new hardware, it's just not quite as fuss-free as the p45 system has been.

PS3: If you only ever run 1 video card, the socket 2011 platform is pretty much money not well spent. get a socket 1155 and enjoy the same levels of performance for less.
194  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Twitching... on: March 12, 2012, 04:06:32 AM
They are definitely connected to ports 2 and 3, which are the first two intel 3gbps ports (left the 6gbps ports empty for a reason), visually, and per the bios. The bios sees them connected, raid more or no.

When I boot the windows cdrom, it doesn't finish the preload, and never gets to the 'select where you want to install windows' crap. Instead it fails partially into startup, with a 'missing cdrom driver' message, and a window offering to let you select a location to look for drivers. mounted to x:, and it's the windows cdrom, of course.

Basically, it's some sort of error... I'm still working on it, or will be at a point in time when I can afford to spend time rebuilding the machine again. I don't feel that it's a hardware problem at this point. Or if it is, it's a really really interesting one.

195  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Twitching... on: March 10, 2012, 10:00:53 AM
Just decided to blurb in here, now that I've had the current build for a couple of weeks, as to things I might have done differently.

1: The noctua heatsink. My god is this thing huge... which would be ok, if I had double checked mobo compatibility first, but I apparently wasn't thinking it that far ahead at the time. Whilst the kit will physically mount to the motherboard, the heatsink requires so much real estate that it actually blocks the first pci-e slot. I can get by for now, but once I get around to upgrading gpu's (especially the 'more than one' intention for this time around), this is going to have to be resolved, as the entire point of upgrading to this motherboard, was having two full bandwidth pci-e 16x slots available, and directly attached to the cpu (otherwise I might have opted for an AMD solution instead)

2: see 1. that thing is huge. (and expensive).

3: still haven't resolved the raid issue I'm having with installation. pretty sure it's resolvable though, otherwise the boards would be loaded up with angry peoples. I just wasn't expecting to have to jump through hoops to get it working.

4: I did get a pretty noticeable improvement out of my gpu performance. Not world beating, but my max framerates in say, world of tanks, have improved from 70ish or so, up to 120+. And the average framerate has enjoyed an improvement from 45 or so, to 55 or so. It's noticeable. Apparently the Q6600 didn't have quite enough oomph to keep up.

196  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Quiet but Deadly (Now with build pics) on: March 10, 2012, 09:09:39 AM
Now that it has been a little while, perhaps you've had some ideas on where you might have gone differently. I'll be updating my 'twitching' thread in a moment for my own.

197  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Dusty computer is REALLY dusty (need advice) on: March 03, 2012, 07:32:03 AM

Look what I found! biggrin

198  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Dusty computer is REALLY dusty (need advice) on: February 28, 2012, 09:41:55 PM
Assuming little things like plugged into the correct fan header, of the proper type (4 pin pwm controlled fan needs that type of header to function properly, etc)

Basically, if it was working properly before... it could be that the control chip for the fan itself has become borked, and is forcing on at 100%, all of the time. Which I suppose is better than shutting the fan off.

It could be that your motherboard header is no longer being controlled properly by the motherboard. You could try installing speedfan and trying to manually tune the cpu fan speed...

If you can force it with speedfan, then something weird is up.

Your temps are real good btw. biggrin


ps: basic fan lesson... old 3 wire fans are voltage controlled. it uses 2 wires to supply varying levels of voltage to the fan, to change the speed... the third wire is an rpm monitor. 4 wire pwm fans use pulse width modulation to control the fan speed... 2 wires supply the 12 volts for the fan, third wire is rpm monitor, 4th wire sends the pulses to the fan that control the fan speed. (the fan has smarts inside to interpret x number of pulses per millisec equals y speed, etc etc) Pretty sure in the absence of a pwm signal on the 4th wire, most pwm fans will default to 100% speed. Someone chime in here if they know for sure on this one.
199  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Firefall Invite Thread on: February 28, 2012, 07:55:48 AM
Got it figured out at this point, but no invites available atm. When that changes, we'll start working through the list.

200  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: SSD Drives on: February 28, 2012, 04:56:12 AM
I'll sorta apologize for hi-jacking this thread first, although since the thread wasn't a serious discussion anyways, hopefully this will add something to it smile

Three easy steps to a successful gaming system, in no particular order.

1: Give the damned thing enough memory. 2 gigs doesn't cut it anymore. 4 gigs is ok, 6 gigs is preferable, and 8 gigs is more than enough. If you don't have enough memory and you start swapping, your game will chug. No matter what else you do. I haven't had a swap file in over four years, and believe me I don't miss having one. On the same note: 64 bit OS the next time you upgrade. Just do it, it's not going to be a problem.

2: Storage. Investing in a one to two hundred gig SSD, preferably with either a marvell, intel, sandforce, or samsung controller inside, is one of the best things you can do for your box. The storage access is without a doubt, the slowest performing part of a personal computer. SSD's speed this up considerably. This speeds up things like texture loads for the game. As an example, my gaming/personal system, runs with two intel 160 gig ssd's. (the old x25-m series, with 34nm flash). They were expensive, admittedly. Prices are better now. Even with them being relatively old, the storage system is extremely responsive. I prefer running them in raid-0, where they approximately match the speed of the new, sata III, sandforce drives. Roughly 500 megs a second, and about half that in writes.

PS: You can get two, or four, smaller drives, for roughly the same price. Slap them in raid-0, and watch them go ZOOOOOOOOOOOOM. There is no comparison. Hard drive based systems feel broken once you've experienced this.

PS2: Normally raid-0 can be somewhat unreliable, due to the increased potential for errors. The wear leveling algorythm's on the ssd's, alleviate this somewhat. In the entire time I've been running my raided x25's, I've never had to reinstall them to a raid error. Never, and that's not in approximately two years now. As long as one of your drives doesn't die on you, you're good to go.

3: GPU power. You want to game? Invest in a gaming grade gpu. It doesn't have to be a gtx580, or a radeon 7970. It can be a lesser card. But please be sure the card has at least one gigabyte of memory, and at least 256bit memory access. If it has the last two, it will almost certainly be 'fast enough' in terms of gpu shaders, etc, without specifying that. As a for instance, the GTX 560ti was an _excellent_ gaming card for its generation, even before they changed it up later on. Basically, you're looking at a couple hundred bucks here.

You'll notice I didn't mention the cpu itself. That's because, for the most part, the cpu itself is somewhat irrelevant. There ARE performance differences between the different cpu's, even if the other hardware is the same... but as long as the cpu is relatively modern, the difference won't be world ending. Your money is best spent on the first three things I mentioned, and the cpu (relatively) last.

As an example system, I'll recommend something a local friend just upgraded to when his E8400 setup decided to roll over on him.  (note: friend could have gone with a 2500k, or a 2600k, or a 2600.. any of them would have worked, just went with the 2550k.  (note: any z68 board would have worked. friend and I have history with gigabyte motherboards, and I like the layout on this one. If I'd bought socket 1155 on my last upgrade, it would have been this particular board)  (note: any 8 gig kit would have worked. gigabyte boards seem to always get along with corsair memory, and it's what we've been using for a while now)

He has yet to make the jump to SSD's.. I'm still convincing him. What the SSD gives you is quick booting, which admittedly is once or twice a day usually, and can be ignored by going for coffee. But it also gives you _responsiveness_ when using the computer. It's no longer click-and-wait.. it's click and 'oh, it's ready'. This is where hard drives start to feel broken.

Total cost would be 473$ plus the cost of the gpu which he carried over from his previous system, and the ssd, which in his is still a hard drive.

Point to this excersize, is it does not cost the entire world, to get a good, solid, gaming-grade system, up and running.

My last system (and his, we upgraded at roughly the same time), lasted 4 years. When you spread the cost out over that time frame, it really isn't much.


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