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1401  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe - "I'm not the biggest fan... on: March 02, 2007, 10:51:45 PM
Looks to me like your rear exhaust and your psu exhaust will handle it. You wont have direct fan flow from the front of the case, but the air will still be moving. As long as you've got circulation, that should be enough. If it bothers you, you could get a quiet 60mm and ziptie it to the cooler. (use some sort of pad to dampen vibration) I understand there's going to be a fan header free on the mb biggrin

Atomic
1402  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Even More Series Computer/Vista problems on: March 02, 2007, 02:20:39 AM
for serious hardware problems, start with the basics. pull hardware until you're left with a minimum bootable config. aka motherboard, graphics, cpu and memory. will it post? yes? go in, clean the bios. load optimized defaults, etc. Then start adding hardware back in once piece at a time.

If you cant get it to post with just the board, graphics, cpu, and memory... then start experimenting. cmos reset, pull/reseat the ram, etc.

Good luck.

Atomic

PS: You can remove power from devices instead of physically uninstalling them. 99.99% of the time, that will be enough, if you dont want to physically dismantle the unit. The other .01%, is sometimes finicky/incompatible hardware, but it's pretty rare.

PSS: Raid is generally un-needed, but it's up to you. In particular, Raid0 is just asking for trouble.
1403  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe - "I'm not the biggest fan... on: March 02, 2007, 01:56:09 AM
I've replaced the northbridge on my MSI motherboard with a passive zalman, and it worked quite well. However, due to the positioning of the northbridge, I had to modify the heatsink by trimming some of the 'fins' from one side, so there was enough room for my graphics solution. After eyeballing the positioning of the northbridge on the asus mb, I suspect you to will have similar issues, unless your graphics solution is very 'slender'. Mine is an ati x800-xl with a zalman 700 cooler on it... with some trimming it fits just right, and has the added benefit of the 'wash' from the cooler, directly flowing over the northbridge.

After an extended period of time, and with upgrades on the horizon, I ordered the sli version of these, though I havent installed it yet.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Brand=1444&N=2010110572+50001444&Submit=ENE&Manufactory=1444&SubCategory=572

Depending on how you fit it, it looks like either one could work for your setup... though I think I'd go with the SLI variant. If you check the website for the installation instructions, you'll see that you can mount it so that the radiator sits above the top video card, as long as there's nothing already in that space (custom video cooler, for instance). This also has the advantage of positioning the heatpipes above your heat source, if you're in a normal tower case.. which optimizes heatflow along the unit. (heat rises)

Good luck.

Atomic

PS: The comment about case airflow above is correct... and critical. You must have decent airflow through your case, in order for 'passive' cooling such as this, to work well. Eyeball your airflow and apply common sense, etc. Too much? wrong direction? etc. Also be sure cabling etc is minimal and tucked neatly where possible. In particular, IDE and large SCSI cables are your main enemy.
1404  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Why is my system so slow?[Help] on: February 01, 2007, 05:29:20 AM
So, not a new build.

The memory setting in question might not be settable through your bios, it kinda depends. If it's showing 1T, though, that's what it's running at. Sounds like you got a case of 'too much crap'... you said you've reformatted the system several times?

All core2 duo systems I know of, use ddr-2 type ram... so yes, you'd need new ram. You'd also need ddr-2 for the new socket am2 athlon64 systems.

Atomic
1405  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Why is my system so slow?[Help] on: January 31, 2007, 10:34:05 PM
PS: Check your memory timings in the bios and make sure it's running at 1T timing... assuming your memory can run at that speed ... do you have both mem slots full? if so, that could be causing it. I'm not sure if filling both slots on s754 has the same issues as filling all four slots on s939 with the total capacitance on the circuits being to high to run the memory at 1T timings... but it's a good bet that it is.

Assuming what I posted here isn't totally off the wall (someone please pipe in and correct me if they think I'm wrong), try pulling one dimm (assuming you're running two), and run your benchmarks (after checking the memory timings in bios... x x x 7 should be about optimal, if your memory can do it.)

Please note, that x x x 5 isn't actually optimal, even though it seems it would be, due to the way the athlon64 memory controllers work... the memory actually needs the slightly longer timing to perform optimally.

For instance, my memory in this system runs at 2-2-2-7 timings, with a 1T command rate.

Dropping that to a 2T command rate, with no other changes, will make about a 30% performance difference. Which is what I suspect your board might be doing.

Atomic
1406  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Why is my system so slow?[Help] on: January 31, 2007, 10:27:05 PM
All the K8T Neo boards (not neo2), are socket 754, thus single channel memory only.

The OP is correct that this system should not be 'slow'... was it running 'up to speed' before, and now it's slowed down? Or is this a new build?

Atomic
1407  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Upgrading advice on: January 27, 2007, 05:31:19 AM
My situation is similar to yours. I'm considering an 8800GTS for an upgrade. To justify a full 8800GTX, I'd need to upgrade to a very high end cpu for that socket, which I've also been pondering... but then there's core 2 duo as well.

If I were just swapping up the vid card (and that may be what happens), it's probably gonna be an 8800GTS, unless then new ati R600 based cards offer something better.

Time marches on smile

Atomic
1408  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Problems with new AGP X1950 Vid Card on: January 25, 2007, 05:08:45 AM
Any updates on this? I'm curious, cause a friend is pondering one of these, or one similar to it.

Atomic
1409  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Problems with new AGP X1950 Vid Card on: January 18, 2007, 11:47:48 PM
Aye, Enermax should be ok. It might be a 350, but if it can push 200 watts to the computer, it should be ok, unless the 12v rail is coming in too weak.

All that said.. though my x800xl ran hot.. it did NOT artifact on me... however, my psu was never in question.

Methink I'd go ahead and swap it. Perhaps the card was repackaged from a previous user (who damaged it) and reshelved. You never know. I've gotten 'new' products before, that turned out not to be. Worked ok, but it ticks me off everytime I catch some place doing it to me. Last time was the computer case I ordered... I noticed on the paperwork 6 months later that it had come from one of neweggs' refurb centers... I paid for a brand new one. Mind you it was in premium condition (apparently, as I didnt even notice until I happened to read some paperwork later on and caught it)..

Anyways, you never know. If the new one runs good without artifacting, but hot, then you're ok and can simply look for a replacement cooler.

Got a question on the psu.. how are you powering the card? molex connectors? anything else on the chain with those connectors? hard drives, fans, etc? ANYTHING else on the chain, can be a source of electrical interference (which can cause artifacts)...

In theory, it'd be easy to test this, assuming you can rearrange your power connectors so the card is on a chain by itself.

Also.. you said your corruption continued on the desktop after you shut off the game... but didnt start until you fired up the game, and got worse over time. Is it still corrupting, even after cold boot + time to cool, while showing the desktop? Such is likely a sign the card is permanently damaged.

Upon re-reading all this, it does sound like a heat issue for the most part. I don't know your setup or anything, dunno how your cooling is rigged, etc.
* TheAtomicKid frowns

oh, and turn off fast writes, if you didnt already. often a source of problems with agp setups... and it wont make a difference on your performance.

Atomic

If it were me... I'd try and redo the computer to isolate the gpu on a power chain by itself, if possible. If not possible, as close as you can come. Feel free to temporarily disconnect stuff like the cd and floppy to get this done. After that, you could try either using some canned air to cool the card during testing by spraying the interface between the heatink and the gpu to keep it cool, and see if your artifacting goes away. (and your temps drop)... spraying the heatsink wont necessarily work if the thermal path is screwed.. the heats still in the gpu.

If you feel risky, you could try disassembly/reassembly to see if you can improve the thermal path with the crappy cooler. If that 'fixes' it, all you'd need to do at that point, is, if you wanted, look for an aftermarket cooler. I dont know how good your skills are in this area. If you dont feel you can do it without damaging the card, dont, cause it may cause problems returning it if you try this and fail biggrin

I had wonderful luck with my x800xl, but... two different cards.

It may be that sapphire simply looked at the total thermal power of the gpu from ati, and simply designed a cooler with 'x' surface area and 'y' fan, to supposedly meet specs. The chips are supposedly rated to like 80c, but mine experienced problems at that range of temps. (it's based on a slightly different process than the normal x800 and x850 chips were)

I dunno. /me mumbles
1410  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Problems with new AGP X1950 Vid Card on: January 18, 2007, 08:06:32 PM
btw, I looked at the card on newegg last night... assuming it's the same card (agp x1950 pro 512 mb sapphire), it does indeed look to be one of sapphires typical coolers, instead of a 'nice' one.

basically a flat piece of coopper, and another piece that's been 'folded' to make 'fins', and then bonded together somehow. fan on one end, and then either another copper layer to form the top surface, or plastic, or somesuch (not looking at it right now).

If so, this is the same type of solution my x800xl came with, and mine, at least, was barely sufficient, especially when combined with a crappy assembly job.

Sapphire... hardware good, assembly, hideous. You'd think ATI would put some smack on them, since it makes ATI look like their chips run too hot in general.

Atomic
1411  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Problems with new AGP X1950 Vid Card on: January 18, 2007, 08:01:27 PM
I cant see how not receiving enough power could cause overheating issues on the card. It might indeed simply be a crappy thermal design in the end. The artifacting could be a result of 'dirty' power though... insufficient, outside of spec, etc. A good psu is becoming a necessity these days, for any rig that includes a high end gpu. Motherboards would seem to me to be slightly less vulnerable due to their beefier power circuitry... 8 phase power designs, anyone? GPU's don't really have that, dont think... they dont have room on the card for it... which was ok when they received all their power straight from the motherboard, nice and filtered.

Instant overheat really does sound like an assembly problem though. Even with a piss poor cooling solution, it should take a little while to go nuclear on you.

Simply put, you may have a combination of problems going here.

Fortron, Sparkle, Seasonic (my recommendation due to a combination of quality, silence, and money), pc power and cooling.

A psu from that list will do you well... do you need it? Possibly. And other than breaking out a multimeter and some creative testing, I know of no way to be absolutely certain. 350 watts _should_ be enough to run a system (most systems dont pull over 200-250, until you start looking at SLI rigs), but depending on the psu, it could be weak in some areas, or dirty power, etc.

The card... if your window is shrinking and you have doubts, get a refund, bide your time, and do some thinking. You've got a valid cause, unless they wanna be stinkers about it and claim there's 'nothing wrong with it' because they put it in a machine and it boots windows.

Which, btw, is not a good indicator the card is ok... running the 3d circuitry on the chip is much more taxing than just showing a desktop. Desktop is basically just idling the card.

Atomic

1412  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Problems with new AGP X1950 Vid Card on: January 18, 2007, 07:37:30 AM
my x800xl runs nice and cool once I swapped out the crappy cooler for a much nicer zalman 700. Now it never breaks 55c, even under full load. Idle is 39c. Mind you, I haven't tried any of the new x1k series yet. Up to you, but I really think you ought to check your thermal path on the card. Like I said, sapphire doesnt have the best assembly in the world. Hardware is good though, they make all of ATI's cards for them.

Atomic
1413  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: FYI: Video Codecs on: January 17, 2007, 06:13:02 AM
I have used the CCCP with great success for years now. It's really not intended to be used with windows media player, but instead with one of the included installations of either media player classic, or the other, included player in the install, which I cant remember off the top of my head because I dont use it. In fact, they customize the settings for the players, in the installation, to work best with the CCCP package without any user tweaking needed... because the entire idea of the package, is install it, and go. No muss, no fuss, nothing else needed.

If you had playback issues after installing the pack, something was wrong with the installation, probably a conflict with your existing codecs, etc. The installation instructions specifically recommend removing existing codecs and packs, before installing the CCCP, just for this reason. They even supply a utility they wrote, to help identify what is listed as installed on your system.

My playback is flawless, for the record, and the guys do a wonderful job of keeping the pack up to date, with new releases every few months, including tweaks and tuning.

My only problem with the CCCP, is they only code it for windows... if they'd port the package to linux.... well, that'd be one less barrier on my road to a microsoft free computing environment.

Atomic
1414  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Is this a Vid Card or Software Problem? on: January 15, 2007, 03:12:44 AM
If it can run Oblivion (one of the more intensive games available currently), it should be able to run pretty much anything. I suspect a software issue. You _could_ check the games forums and see if there's a problem with the nvidia cards and/or drivers... always a possibility, although they'd usually be pretty quick to get a fix in. I think my first action would be either to hit their forums and check for issues, or else try the driver reinstall.... but if it's running oblivion smoothly, it's most likely something else.

Did HOMM V work smoothly with your previous card, or is this a new game?

Atomic
1415  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Problems with new AGP X1950 Vid Card on: January 14, 2007, 08:07:43 AM
I'd definitely check the thermal path on the card before splurging on a new psu. depending on how the temperature is actually measured, your reading could be off by quite a bit (or it might be dead on.. my x800xl seemed to be spot on... and it's a sapphire too)

However, I noticed after I got it that the temps ran pretty high... disturbingly so. I pulled the card and disassembled it, cleaned, redid the paste, etc. Card dropped 15c idle and loaded, from that by itself. Even with the pos stock cooler. The cooler on the 1950's is much nicer, but I'd still check the construction.

After all, it's free, and it doesnt take even an hour. Just be careful on the disassembly/reassembly, and be aware it'll most likely void any warranty you might have. (try holding the card up in front of a lightsource, edge on, and see if you can see the cpu/heatsink interface, look for gaps, etc.

Sapphire makes good cards, but their product assembly may lack. My experience is based on one unit. Your mileage may vary.

Also, be aware of the changing nature of psu's, before you upgrade. If you're on an older agp motherboard, the psu requirements may be slightly different from newer stuff. For instance, the latest atx spec ditched the -5 volt line, iirc.... that used to be in use, but no longer is.

Also, newer  cpu's run on the 12 volt rail, instead of the... was it the 3.3 volt rail before? Cant remember. In any case, what this means is that the load balance on an older system, was different from newer stuff, so if your motherboard is fairly old, you might keep that in mind when looking for a new psu.

All that said, Seasonic makes some wonderful, QUIET, psu's.

Atomic
1416  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Daily Tech says R600 kicks 8800's arse on: January 03, 2007, 10:08:44 PM
Daehawk, I used to have issues with the omegas too, but recent releases (in the last year or two), have been rock solid. And the integrated extras make for a very nice package. Might wanna give them another shot. I'm using the latest right now with zero issues.

Atomic

(edit) assuming you still have any radeons laying around, that is. All that said, I'm probably switching back to nvidia going forward from here. my x800xl has been nice, but I think nvidia 'has it' for awhile. we shall see. It'll be interesting to see what amd-ati does, in the future.
1417  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Memory Dilema on: January 03, 2007, 10:05:57 PM
The speedup you get from the extra gig, might be worth it in some applications, however. Your mileage will vary biggrin

Atomic
1418  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Memory Dilema on: January 03, 2007, 10:05:10 PM
Well, on the assumption that you're running an athlon 64 based system (big assumption, but I wanted to be safe rather than sorry), I'd like to remind everyone reading this who might be thinking along these lines, that except for one dfi motherboard that I know of, NO athlon64 system can run with all 4 memory slots full (socket939, not sure how this limitation affects socket 754 systems), and still run at 1T timings. It's a limitation of the memory controller vs the ... err.. I think it's the total capacitance of the circuit, iirc. Basically, when you start putting that many chips on the memory circuit without a buffer, something has to give.

So unless you can accept that limitation, which I believe will affect your overall speed by roughly 30%, depending on the application, avoid using more than 1 stick per channel.

I'm unaware of the limitations on intel based systems... and with socket754, the board does usually have 2 slots, which, attached to a single memory controller (there are two in a dual channel s939 chip, running in parallel), should result in the same slowdown, due again to the total capacitance of the circuit. Someone chime in here and correct me if I'm wrong.

Basically, athlon64, more than one dimm per memory channel is very very iffy, if you want to run at maximum speed.

Atomic
1419  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: I.E. History not clearing on: December 09, 2006, 11:35:36 PM
Technically true, but it still doesnt engage in such reprehensible behavior as to run remote software like activex controls, which can compromise security, without the users consent, etc. It will still do java/javascript stuff, I suppose, but unless I'm mistaken, those have tighter restrictions on them?

About the worst behavior I've seen from java/javascript, is those stupid popup/popunder windows that somehow, invariably, slip by your popup prevention. be it built into the browser, or something like popup stopper.

Atomic

TBH, I think what started me up on my avoid-IE crusade, is a combination of the stupid popups, combined with security worries, which at the time, were far greater than they are now. Stuck with me, I guess.
1420  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Hardware Review: Microsoft Habu Gaming Mouse on: December 09, 2006, 05:34:42 AM
Thanks for the extra picture. Much appreciated.
* TheAtomicKid ponders

Atomic
1421  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Computer Crazy Again-Please Help!! on: December 07, 2006, 11:14:55 PM
Out of curiousity, did you check your bios settings to see if the usb ports are still enabled? I can't see why it would change, but it's technically possible.

Atomic
1422  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: I.E. History not clearing on: December 07, 2006, 11:09:33 PM
Oh, for the record, since nobody directly and completely actually answered your question.

Tools/Internet Options/General Tab...

the 'Temporary Internet Files' section is the one you're looking for. Under advanced options you can do things like specify how much space it's allowed to use on the hard drive, etc.

I'm on broadband, so I dont recommend allowing it to use tons of space, UNLESS YOU ARE ON A BANDWIDTH PLAN. If your on managed bandwidth, you'll want to allocate a fair amount to the cache, so that it doesnt constantly redownload pages. I've got mine set  to 50 megs, which is more than enough space to cache pages. It used to be 5 megs, but I decided to show my provider a little mercy biggrin

Oh yeah. Mozilla for the win biggrin I use IE for exactly two things. Windows Update, and a particular web game I play that needs it. Other than that, it sits unused, cause I got tired of having to deal with security worries. (activex, etc)
1423  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Hardware Review: Microsoft Habu Gaming Mouse on: December 06, 2006, 08:47:49 PM
well, actually, I was just wondering if it had the standard tiny mouse feet, or if they'd made allowances by making the feet larger, or a solid pad, etc. eventually I'll find a pic on the net, was just curious if you'd noticed anything unusual to indicate they'd put some thought into it.

Atomic
1424  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Serious Stuttering Issues With Games on: December 06, 2006, 08:45:48 PM
The best way to determine if you're having a problem with sound, is to disable it completely, and I'm talkin _completely_, and see if your problems go away. (my normal solution is to pull the sound drivers and yank the card, and run the box with no audio for testing. A bit extreme, but it insures there are no errors in configuration with the sound interfering with the testing)

That said, I've seen some other posts around the net regarding stuttering, and half life 2, in particular. I myself had no real issues with hl2, but episode 1 has a point in the game that I just can't seem to get past, even with sound disabled. Still fussing with it, but I just moved to a new house, so priorities changed. Haven't had time/inclination in a couple of weeks.

Atomic
1425  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Serious Stuttering Issues With Games on: December 05, 2006, 06:44:48 AM
Something to do with sound, perhaps?

Atomic

(guess based on your comment about opening a door)
1426  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Hardware Review: Microsoft Habu Gaming Mouse on: December 05, 2006, 04:59:16 AM
How are the feet on the Habu? I have problems with microsoft mice feet coming off (other mice too), but I haven't tried a razer mouse yet.

Aka, does it have feet that are going to resist coming off over time?

Atomic
1427  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Keyboards - Saitek Eclipse II, Logitech G15, or what? on: December 05, 2006, 04:46:06 AM
Mmm... thanks. Heard a lot of good things about the tarantula from around the net. comments, etc. About the only thing that troubles me, would be how good/bad the macroing is, and... Razer support. It's somewhat infamous in my local cluster of friends, due to a poor experience. However, if I buy one, and that is becoming more and more likely due to repeated comments on the quality of the g11/g15 (poor construction, paint wears off, etc), I'd be buying it through compusa, and utilizing their return policy rather than going through razer, at least for as long as possible.

I had a logitech mx700 that really didnt hold up well over time. The paint had a very obvious reaction with my skin, and basically dissolved where your palm sits on the mouse over a few months. Also, one of the internal switches... the rightmouse iirc, cratered several months after purchase. I'm not saying logi is a bad company or anything, they make some awesome stuffs... but my experience with their 'build quality' is somewhat lacking, and comments from around the net about the g11/g15 seem to closely mirror my own general experience with the mouse.

I guess I'm  just being overly cautious. I'll wait til after xmas is done with, and see if I can't swing myself a new keyboard, though it'd be interesting to hear those comparisons on the macroing ability. Sight unseen, my only real 'complaint' about the tarantula, would be the layout for the macro keys. I'd much rather they all be on the left side, than split 50/50. I'm guessing that was to try and accomodate the southpaw crowd by giving each of us easy access to half the macro keys. I have no real use for the audio passthru, and the usb1.1 ports make me wiggle my eyebrows, but... other than a little extra cash, those don't bother me.

If I had my choice, I'd prefer a 'stripped for racing' variant. Flat black finish, no/minimal backlighting, all the macros on the left, no lighted emblem, no audio passthru, no battledock, no usb passthru, etc. Leave the build quality, the general shape/tilt/angle/whatever, all the rest, the same.

Atomic
1428  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Keyboards - Saitek Eclipse II, Logitech G15, or what? on: November 28, 2006, 09:58:05 AM
Oooh, thanks. Much obliged!

Atomic
1429  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Keyboards - Saitek Eclipse II, Logitech G15, or what? on: November 27, 2006, 03:26:51 AM
Knightshade, could you give us a direct comparison of the macro functions between the G11/G15, and the Tarantula? I'm really torn for a decision. The Logitech (I'd be getting a G11), appears to have more macro buttons, but the Tarantula, is of course, by gamers, for gamers. I'm wondering if there are any glaring omissions on either companies part in terms of macro functions in gaming. I've read comments around the net about having to leave games to write macro's for the tarantula,. that the g11/g15 doesnt, etc.

Lots comments around the net about the paint on the logitech wearing off... and I've had that problem myself, before... with one of their mx700 mice. But if it had, say, better macro-ing ability, that would possibly swing me back from the ... err.. dark side, as it were.

Doesnt hurt that the logitech is basically half the price.

For the record, I hate the glossy black finish, and the stroby glowy emblem thing is already bothering me, and I don't even own one yet :/

But the logi.. it is .. not black... and to be honest, I'm not a big fan of all the 'extraneous' media keys, etc. Mute might be nice.

and we all know black makes it go faster...

biggrin

Atomic
1430  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: I.E. History not clearing on: November 19, 2006, 03:52:09 AM
Just saw this post, sorry, don't read these forums every day, but getting better smile

You can continue to do it manually, which is always good, but I started using this quite a while back, and I'm totally in lust with it.

http://www.ccleaner.com/

Atomic
1431  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Yeah or Neah for my choice of wireless router on: November 03, 2006, 01:04:55 AM
I've had outstanding success with my dlink 4300 gamerlounge. I'm not a huge fan of wireless networking, but this one is problem-free. No dropped packets, etc.

http://games.dlink.com/products/?pid=370&#DGL-4300

Also, if you use bittorrent, the 4300 can handle it. every other router I've tried has problems with the number of connections it opens. (including  a couple of Linksys products)

Atomic

(if anyone doesnt need/want the wireless, they have a wired-only variant... the 4100)
1432  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Vista to kill 3D sound and EAX on: November 02, 2006, 11:34:15 PM
I've been having a really nice experience with my m-audio revolution 7.1

Not horridly expensive, well behaved drivers, etc. It's sometimes a little confusing what you need to do in a game, to make it play nice with the card (they tell you in the cards manual to always use software acceleration, for some reason, which is a little confusing when you get to a games control options), but once you get it smoothed over, it sounds real nice.

I use my sound for a combination of game playing, music, and anime... a profile I'm sure is common. Match this little bugger up with a set of nice speakers, (I use some Klipcsh promedia 2.1's), and you end up with a very pleasant sounding solution, for less than 200$ (which is a lot more than some people want to pay, I admit)

I tend to avoid onboard hardware sound.. bad experiences in the ancient past have steered me clear of it for quite some time. That said, I've been hearing some good things about certain solutions, like Analog Devices.

All that said, this is an interesting bit of news. I was completely unaware they were doing something like this. *boggle*

* TheAtomicKid goes off to read.

For the record, I miss aureal too. Nothing compared... though I've heard the x-fi headphone routines are quite good... but I still loathe EAX.

Atomic
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