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1401  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Thunderbird just completely screwed me on: May 04, 2007, 02:34:42 AM
Back, thinking.

Atomic
1402  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Thunderbird just completely screwed me on: May 04, 2007, 02:15:55 AM
bbiab, gotta go fetch ice cream for my somewhat sick mom (allergies, methink, but she's milking it biggrin )

Atomic
1403  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Thunderbird just completely screwed me on: May 04, 2007, 02:07:27 AM
For the record, I'm sitting here fussing with my install, after having backed up my mail store. (after moving the contents of my inbox to a folder in my mail store)

What it appears to be doing, is using my default location (under appdata), for the inbox, junk/spam/sent/etc default areas, with the user defined stuff in the perma store (on a different drive, even).

Not directly related to your problem, but since I'm not sure how you're set up, mebbe it'll cause you to think of something.

Before, when I had this working, it showed TWO accounts in Thunderbird... one for the local stuff (under appdata), and then a second 'account', with the permanent mail storage stuff.
* TheAtomicKid is kinda boggled why they adjusted it like this.

I do realize after looking at the data structure in appdata, that it had the local folders, and the account, both under 'mail'...but why they combined the entries in the lefthand pane like that, I'm not sure. Irrelevant right now, methink.
1404  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Thunderbird just completely screwed me on: May 04, 2007, 02:01:27 AM
* TheAtomicKid mumbles

Settings check? Is it set to never delete mail, etc? *(under disk space in the account stuff)

Atomic
1405  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Thunderbird just completely screwed me on: May 04, 2007, 01:24:19 AM
*ponders*

Did you check the directory structure where it normally keeps your inbox? The default should be in

C:\Documents and Settings\*******\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\******.default

Unless you've moved it?

Not entirely sure what error you've hit upon that's causing this. You're causing me to re-examine my mail configuration again. At one point, outlook express ate 10 years of my email history because microsoft changed a default behavior without mentioning it in the patch notes. And the backup, cause I got careless. frown

My normal configuration for mozilla mail in the past, has been a normal inbox, which usually resides in the normal place, and then an 'email storage account', on my data drive. However, when I swapped over to thunderbird, it doesnt seem to want to do that properly, or I'm not doing something correctly. Or something.

*backs up his email store RIGHT FREAKIN NOW*

Atomic
1406  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: System froze and won't reboot on: May 03, 2007, 09:21:43 AM
err...

how many drives should be on the raid controller?

do you have any other drives attached to the system? are they showing up properly?

was your boot volume on the raid?

(secondary post claimed no raid, so it's just a normal volume)

etc etc etc.

It could happen for any of a number of reasons. Power surge, bad drive (if there's only 1 drive on it would explain it not showing ANY drives for raid use), etc etc etc. Heck, the power cable could have come loose.

Need more info. If you're not using the raid, why is the drive attached to the raid controller? Etc etc etc.

Atomic

***secondary post claimed no raid, this line removed***
1407  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How hot should a graphics cards run? on: May 02, 2007, 07:33:10 AM
Necroed!!!!!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130040

They've got them listed again, albeit out of stock. Out of Stock (ETA:05/07/2007)

I'd stick an auto-notification in there for myself, if you're still keen on picking one up.

Atomic
1408  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Help With SATA HDD ASAP! on: May 01, 2007, 09:54:03 PM
Update?
1409  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Never assist Calvin; his curse is contagious. on: May 01, 2007, 09:27:10 PM
Mind you, the easiest thing to start with, is to start looping a memtest run while you're not using the comp.

Atomic
1410  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: These parts. Good rig? on: May 01, 2007, 09:21:50 PM
Yeah, I didn't feel like getting into nasty details. Late/tired/haven't really had to do any psu research in quite a while. But heat is definitely one of the factors. Like Thin said... most psu's average about 40c internal temperature during operation... higher if the case has poor heat dissipation or uses the psu for most of it.... yet most manufacturers do indeed rate their units for 25c operation.... and when they go over that, the unit starts underperforming it's specs.

One thing that will help that, is to buy a good case that's designed for optimal heat/airflow. Like the ones that mount the psu at the bottom, and/or seperate the psu from the main chamber so that it gets independant airflow from the case, keeping it as cool as possible (also helps keep the internal fan circuit from thinking it's necessary to raise the fan speed, which is nice on the ears).

Add on a good solid PSU of your choice... my overall recommendation rests with Seasonic right now, for a combination of quality power delivery and silent operation... and a good solid motherboard... peoples opinions vary on this one... and you have a recipe for a stable base system. After that it's just a matter of additional parts.

Atomic
1411  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: These parts. Good rig? on: May 01, 2007, 08:53:28 AM
I personally prefer PC Power and Cooling, overall, although if I want one that's quiet as well, I look for Seasonic units. Also, I haven't tried them yet, but you might check out the new olympia series from Silverstone. I'm sure there are other good manufacturers out there, but my personal experience is with the first two.

Can't stress the importance of a good psu enough. Modern graphics cards are extremely sensitive to power quality. You try to run one with a crappy/marginal psu, and you get constant bluescreens and reboots, even when 'it should be working'.

Atomic

(edit: I'm no expert, but I suspect it's due to the direct power feed from the psu. since the card has limited room for power conditioning circuitry, having high quality power coming in is of paramount importance. Compare this to the latest trend for 6 and even 8 phase motherboard power circuits that some companies have been advertising. It used to be that 3 phase was enough)
1412  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Home Network Help on: April 29, 2007, 02:08:12 AM
One other thing to note, that might be affecting you. A lot of connections are not fully bi-directional... they end up being ratioed... if you're using, say... 70% of the upload cap, it will only let you download 30% of the download cap, etc. I first ran into this with a cable modem setup from Charter.net, for the record.

Atomic
1413  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Home Network Help on: April 29, 2007, 02:05:15 AM

Quote from: ATB on April 28, 2007, 09:51:06 PM

Quote from: Pyperkub on April 26, 2007, 10:04:49 PM

An older 10MB switch could cause speed discrepancy...

How old are we talking about when we say old?


The sheer fact that it's 10Mb at all would drop your speed down to 1.25 megabytes/sec max. If it happens to be a hub and not a switch? ... That would be even worse.

Given your 2MB/sec speeds, I suspect the cabling, since the numbers don't fit.

Atomic
1414  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Feel Brave? New NVIDIA drivers up! on: April 28, 2007, 07:07:58 PM
Actually, for those that use the CCCP playback solution, and are now using an 8800 series card, you might be interested in this thread...

http://www.cccp-project.net/smf/index.php?topic=1575.0

If you're having playback issues.

Atomic
1415  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Feel Brave? New NVIDIA drivers up! on: April 28, 2007, 06:57:38 PM
* TheAtomicKid places his body between Calvin and the new drivers...

Don't even think it biggrin

Atomic
1416  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Cox Service + Pay per View + Series 3 TiVo? on: April 27, 2007, 10:25:11 AM
I've thought of another option. Call Tivo support and ask for a list of providers that DO support the series 3. That'd at least give you an idea of what you're up against.

Atomic
1417  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Cox Service + Pay per View + Series 3 TiVo? on: April 27, 2007, 03:31:40 AM
From what I've heard/read over the last few months, starting with reading an article about the new cablecard ATI devices, a lot of cable companies just flat don't support it. You may be out of luck frown

Atomic

(they like using their proprietary boxes over which they have more control, and the users have less)

You might check your options with dish/directv etc?
1418  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Home Network Help on: April 26, 2007, 09:37:04 PM
Need gory details on the hardware, ja! biggrin

nics, router, switch, etc.

Atomic
1419  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Internet Explorer 7 Hogging Focus on: April 26, 2007, 09:34:57 PM
Smells like spyware/malware/virus... you run any checks lately?

Atomic
1420  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How should I install my CPU fan? on: April 25, 2007, 08:47:48 PM
wonderpug.. aye, with one small niggle. If you exhaust the cpu into the power supply, the hot air will cause the psu to run hotter, which will cause it to run it's fan at a higher rpm, which will cause it to run louder than it has to. Also not as good for the electronics, although it shouldnt overload them or anything. If you can exhaust a cpu to the rear case fan, assuming you have one, you should always prefer that... unless you have some weird plan going on smile

www.silentpcreview.com has a lot of advice in the forums regarding airflow/cooling. I shoulda linked it before, but wasn't thinking about it.

Atomic

Woops, think I read wonder's reply incorrectly. But my reply is still true, though not necessarily needed biggrin
1421  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Help With SATA HDD ASAP! on: April 25, 2007, 08:25:18 PM
What size does the bios say the drive is?

Atomic

(what methink is happening is, your installation version of windows on cd doesnt have enough updates to spot the full sized drive until after you update it, so when it partioned/partitions the drive during installation, it's only making one partition of the max size it can understand... aka 137 gigs. What you would need to do, is, after you get everything installed and updated, is use something like partition magic to expand the 137 gig partition, to use all available space (AFTER you update windows so it can understand larger partitions.)

The other solutions could be, as I mentioned, to get a smaller drive to boot with (uneconomical, although a 100-120 gig drive, which is just under the size limitation, is dirt cheap at this point)

Or you could use partitioning software to setup 3x 100 gig or so partitions, or 4x80, or whatever, to use all available space. That would constitute one primary partition of 80 gigs, one secondary partition with the rest of the space, and then you build 3 logical drives inside the secondary partition. This would effectively give you  4 80 gig drives.

My recommendation would be to look for a good, freeware, partitioning package... which I've not needed in a looooong time, so I cant really recommend much. I think Partition Magic has/had a trial version you could use, which is why I mentioned it.

Note that if you build the 4 drives the way I mentioned, the windows setup software should be able to handle the job. If nothing else you just have setup build the first 80 gig drive, and then you boot into windows and have disk administrator do the rest. It's a cinch. And no, you dont need them to be dynamic volumes or anything, if it asks.

Atomic

Personally, I no longer recommend partitioning if you can get away without it. It's not really a 'problem', but just having each drive setup as a single volume simplifies things in terms of management, formatting, etc.
1422  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Help With SATA HDD ASAP! on: April 25, 2007, 11:53:06 AM
And for the record, Calvin, I've never seen anyone with a worse anti-tech curse than yours. Ever. You make me want to run and hide biggrin

Easy answer. Get a smaller drive for boot, and use the big drive for data. Do the install, update, then do the format on the big drive. Presto and done. Else just partition the drive. (assuming you cant get winblows to see the entire drive)

If you felt like spending lots and lots of cash on an itty bitty drive, you could splurge for one of the new 32gig flash drives, which would add zero noise level to your system, and be remarkably light on power usage too smile (unfortunately, you pay for it up front.. they're still about 500 smackers on newegg...)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010070068+1053122577&name=Solid+State+Drive+(SSD)

Surely... SURELY.... a solid state flash drive with no moving parts and no exposed electronics is capable of withstanding your... abilities... long enough to be installed without malfunctioning... biggrin

Atomic

edit: I'm kidding. They're all PATA44 units... and whilst that's not overtly a problem (you can get specialized cables for em), I personally won't be getting any until they come out in native sata interfaces. and the cost will have to come down to at least half current market... Atomic
1423  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Help With SATA HDD ASAP! on: April 25, 2007, 11:41:23 AM
Hard to imagine a sata bios that's limited to 137 gigs... arent they all 48bit lba? I'm thinking it's the OS.

Try Partition Magic or somesuch?

Atomic
1424  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How should I install my CPU fan? on: April 25, 2007, 05:52:15 AM
Okay, assuming there isn't an airflow indicator marked on the beast somewhere.

If it's a 'normal' fan, it will actually blow air in the direction you think it wouldn't... if you're looking at the fan side of the beast, most likely it rotates counterclockwise, leading with the tips of the blades, which to me seems arse backwards, but I'm not into fluid dynamics, they probably know more than I know. biggrin

So, put the fan on the side AWAY from where you want the air to blow.

That said, test the sucker before mounting it if you can. SURELY there's an indicator somewhere in the documentation? or on the fan itself?

Atomic
1425  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need MB advice-want easy to use no nonsense top of the line gaming MB on: April 22, 2007, 01:37:51 AM
Hmmm... general advice here.

a: manufacturers couldnt stay in business if they were in the habit of delivering generally defective products.. one bad experience does not a poor manufacturer make...
b: motherboards based on the same chipset tend to performa within 1-2% of each other in benchmarks...
c: other intangibles. do you like the way the motherboard manufacturer handles bios updates. do you like the way the board is laid out, rma experience, etc... ?

The new nvidia chipsets, and the new intel chipsets, both have excellent performance. Since you're going with an nvidia gpu, I'd say unless you truly don't care about sli in the future, my recommendation is to stick with one of the new nvidia chipset based boards. I understand the 650i boards are very good bang for the buck...

Beyond that, I won't pretend to advise you, as I've not owned/built a c2d system yet.

Atomic
1426  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Help!! New video card not working. on: April 18, 2007, 05:28:40 AM
So did you get it working?

Atomic
1427  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Help!! New video card not working. on: April 12, 2007, 11:13:13 PM
Pretty much gotta hope there's something in the documentation. Sometimes the original manufacturer's maintain easily accessible (aka downloadable) specs.

Other than that, only way would be if you had enough electronics under your belt to open the psu and eyeball it... I myself probably couldnt do this successfully.

Honestly, your best option is to get a psu with pci-e connectors. Admittedly, that's the expensive option frown

Seasonic, Pc Power and Cooling, both make truly excellent supplies. I'd give PCP&C the slight nod in terms of overall power quality/delivery, and Seasonic gets the nod for Quality plus extremely quiet operation.

To be honest, as far as powering the connectors goes, start by trying to get two strands with no other devices on them.. if you can manage that, then you can hope they're on different rails. Most people have troubles just freeing up two strands, which is the main reason having the dedicated pci-e connector is better. The power is no different, you just just dont end up giving up half your power connectors just so the video card can run trouble free.

Atomic
1428  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How hot should a graphics cards run? on: April 12, 2007, 12:11:24 PM
Ahh I see. Just checked it. You COULD, however, look at upgrading to a regular 640gts, or a full gtx, via the program.

Good luck,

Atomic
1429  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How hot should a graphics cards run? on: April 12, 2007, 11:49:56 AM
You might consider the evga 'stepup' program. Dunno how long you'v ebeen in posession of your card?

Atomic
1430  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How hot should a graphics cards run? on: April 12, 2007, 11:28:07 AM
Newegg had them listed until about 24 hours after I ordered mine. It arrived yesterday afternoon. Was like 336.xx after the UPS tax.

Note, that's the 320 meg version.. the 640's are considerably more expensive, like 459$?

Atomic

edit: Anandtech had a nice roundup of 320 meggers including the evga 320 superclocked... the numbers there are what convinced me to get a 320... and the ac3 version popped up on newegg just about the time the money rolled in, so I went with that. It was either that, or just get a default one and look at overclocking/cooling it myself.
1431  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How hot should a graphics cards run? on: April 12, 2007, 11:01:21 AM
Yeah, it's the 320 megger. I got it because, for 330$, I can... _almost_ match  a stock 8800gtx, especially at the resolutions I run (1680x1050 is my limit currently)...

I was somewhat tempted by the more expensive 640 meg variant, but... this one tempted me with it's 330$ nuevo-svelte pricetag biggrin

I'm annoyed about the sata ports. I have the feeling if I'd bought a stock card, I could have avoided that.. but noooooo, I hadda be swayed by the sexy phat acs3 cooling unit!!!

What's worse is, the HR-03 plus cooler is apparently outstanding at cooling these beasts down... I just read a forum post about a guy who idles his at 38c, loaded at 45c... as cool as my old sapphire x800xl ran after I modded it with a zalman cooler.

Atomic

Still happy with it, just some minor issues... the sata ports are a bit more than minor, but I can deal. Just gotta figure out how I want to do that.
1432  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How hot should a graphics cards run? on: April 12, 2007, 08:47:55 AM
With the fan still forced to 100%, some extended sessions with ati tool .26, have managed to push the temps as high as 70c, that's with additional overclocking... I've discovered the core will actually do 640 mhz if I want. Not that there's a point right now, this comp isn't fast enough as it is. Still havent let it stress the memory, been doing other things.

Anyways, it sounds like your temps are doing just fine. One thing you might try, is to take out your slot covers (bezels) in the back to allow either cool air in, or warm air out, depending on your case presssure, etc. I'm probably going to shut down and do that myself in a minute, to see what kind of difference it makes. The handy dandy 'hand' test, where you place your bare hand underneath the vents on the running (even idle) 8800, has determined that 'It's hot, Bob!' when testing the temperature of the exhausted air... either letting more of it exit the case, or letting some cool air into the case from outside, may help drop temps a little more. This is probably pointless in my case... my bezels are already poked full of holes from the factory for extra ventilation... but I'll take a degree or two if I can get it.

Atomic
1433  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How hot should a graphics cards run? on: April 12, 2007, 07:30:06 AM
Hmm.. I may have trouble here. My s939 a64/3500+ is having trouble making the 8800 get warm. If I leave everything on automatic, with the side of my case open so it can get fresh air (only way to really do an apples/apples comparison here), my 8800gts which is the evga acs3 part clocked at 589/1840, idles at 57c. If I force the fan to 100% (99% according to ntune), it will drop the idle temp to 51c.

So far, I havent been able to make the temperature climb in a 3d game. *boggle*

For the record, god this thing is big. It's long enough it obstructs two of my four primary sata ports... the card sits low enough to the board that I can't attach a cable to port 1 or 2.. the card wont seat properly if I do. A normal 8800 with a normal cooler, might not have this problem, as the end of the card just has parts on it, and not a big phat black cooler housing that blocks my sata ports :/

The fan defaults to what appears to be 59% if left on auto control, and it's very quiet in this mode. 100% is quite noticeable, however.

Atomic

1434  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Help!! New video card not working. on: April 11, 2007, 09:17:02 PM
Ideally with those 4-6 adapter's, you use one 4 pin molex from each of two different strands, so as to balance the power load across two seperate sets. If you use two molex connectors from the same set, or as you mentioned, splitting one into two, and then using both of those to power your pci-e you're still overloading the max power draw for a single molex run. Better yet, if your psu has split 12v rails, you figure out which strands are on which rails, and split the load up between rails as well. (personally I prefer psu's with a single larger rail instead).

Atomic

ps: wish I'd spotted that earlier, I've been watching this thread for a couple days.

ps2: even more ideally is if you can avoid using those molex runs for any other devices, in order to keep them 'quiet'... modern gpu's are extremely picky about their power... bad power is probably the MAIN reason people have problems once they get the card installed correctly and 'it SHOULD be working'...
1435  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How hot should a graphics cards run? on: April 09, 2007, 03:20:57 AM
Got a local friend who picked up an evga 8800gtx AC3 2-3 weeks ago, and my 8800gts AC3 should arrive from UPS sometime early this week. His temps are pretty high, and got worse after disassembly reassembly (he did the assembly, not me, so cant say how good it is)

I'll keep you updated once I have something solid to go on.

Mind you, these are both overclocked units, so in theory, your temps, by comparison, ought to be better.

Atomic

(I may have to go re-assemble his card for him at some point in the near future, if he's game. His temps are _high_)
1436  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Router help on: April 09, 2007, 12:48:48 AM
Update?

Atomic
1437  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Microsoft Habu Issues-just my luck! on: April 06, 2007, 01:59:09 AM
Cannot advise. No personal experience with Razer yet. Again, my friend locally who had a Boomslang? old tech, at one point, had a miserable experience with their support.

Atomic
1438  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Microsoft Habu Issues-just my luck! on: April 05, 2007, 10:49:30 PM
* TheAtomicKid backs away slowly...

Careful folks, it could be contagee-us. Someone git mah sawed-off and tha double ought.
* TheAtomicKid coughs..

Ahem. How's the exchange going? Are they replacing it?

Atomic
1439  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Computer keeps freezing and it's driving me mad... on: April 05, 2007, 04:22:13 AM
Yay!
* TheAtomicKid scribbles note to self: always test ram first if the computer is bootable.

Atomic
1440  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Computer keeps freezing and it's driving me mad... on: April 04, 2007, 06:04:55 AM
Oh and be sure and take static precautions while handling your ram. No sense adding to the problems.

Atomic
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