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1401  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 18, 2007, 12:22:49 AM
Mushkin is a good name for memory. Patriot I dont know. I tend to buy 'name' ram, but you dont necessarily gotta buy the most expensive stuff available. For instance, lately, Corsair 'value select' ram has been looking mighty tastey. Basically, figure out what you need the ram to run at optimally, timings and total capacity, and then find something you're comfy with. For instance, can you fill all four slots on the board without degrading performance? I think you can, with the core2 chipsets and/or ddr2, but I'm not sure. What timings are best? 4-4-4-12? 5-5-5-12? If you were buying an athlon64 with ddr ram, I could tell you to shoot for something like 2-2-2-7 for optimal ram performance, and only use 2 sticks in a dual channel setup.. but with core2, I dont have the numbers.

Can anyone chime in on this? Will he be able to use all four dimms without issues? What timings are optimal and with which chipsets?

1402  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 17, 2007, 11:58:11 PM

displays the differences between the different nvidia 680/650 chipsets, if you're insterested.

1403  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 17, 2007, 11:53:51 PM
The motherboard looks like a good choice. I'm big on passively cooling the board these days, and MSI makes solid hardware. the 650i chipset looks like a good compromise... you get a full 16x slot for single card video, and 8x8 (minimal performance hit) if you decide to buy a second card and enable SLI... if not you get to use the second 16x slot in 4x mode... there are some nice raid controllers that will fit that... or possibly a physics processor... etc.

outta curiousity on the ram... what OS will you be running? should you be considering 4 gigs instead of 2?


PS: If you haven't already read it (I'm going through it thoroughly as I write this), anandtech covered this board...  ... so you'll probably be interested in checking that out.
1404  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 15, 2007, 08:17:16 PM
On that note, I'm out of the house. Errands, etc.

Good luck with your choices!

1405  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 15, 2007, 08:11:29 PM
Here's an idea.

If you're not going to reuse your old setup, you could consider one of the remaining socket 939 boards on the market. Pop in a nice dual core chip, and you could reuse your memory, which would save you some money. An higher end s939 cpu will give you approx the same performance as a slower speed core2 duo cpu... not sure how the prices would compare, but you'd get off without having to buy new memory.

The new ddr-2 based systems arent really that much faster because of the ram, they're faster because of the new cpu's... although memory performance is slowly increasing the gap as ddr-2 gets faster and the cpu's start needing more ram bandwidth.

Just an idea... I'd been considering upgrading to a dual core s939 chip myself as a sort of 'get me by' upgrade. You'd need a motherboard too, but the s939 boards are getting pretty cheap. *goes to check newegg*

1406  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 15, 2007, 07:55:44 PM
Well... intel is already cutting prices in prep for barcelona... so I guess that's a judgement call to buy now vs buying later.

The market is like the sea... stuff washes up on shore over time, at high prices... then slowly gets sucked back out to sea (with the price dropping over time), until it disappears later on.

The core2 duo stuffs are coming down nicely in price... because of time, and because barcelona is coming soon. If they can encourage people to buy core2 duo now, those people will be less likely to buy barcelona later this year, so to speak. A double win.

For 500$, you got a reasonable upgrade, I'd think.  Solid basics. Decent chip, 2 gigs of ram. And in all likelyhood, barcelona wont actually outperform core2 (quad)... it might achieve parity...

Right now, quad core cpu setups are too expensive for my blood. I personally want to see what barcelona looks like when it lands.. it's a single chip native quad core solution, with a new L3 cache shared between the cores... but the architecture for the chip isn't changing, so the performance per core per clockcycle wont change much.

in your case, you're looking at a dual core cpu setup.. and right now, the core2 duo is the best performer on the market. You've got a reasonable 500$ upgrade there.. so the question is, do you want to wait for a while longer, and see what washes up on shore later, or do you want to push that button now?


PS: You already got the graphics card.. that makes things easier.. me, I 'need' a new card too biggrin
1407  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 15, 2007, 07:27:15 PM
See my edit above. If you're currently using a socket 754 athlon64 3000+ based system, that core2 duo will be nice upgrade.


PS: My current ugprade plan is to 'wait and see' on the new barcelona cpu's from AMD
1408  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 15, 2007, 07:20:23 PM

Quote from: TheAtomicKid on March 15, 2007, 06:55:12 PM

Foxconn makes decent stuffs, but there's a biostar unit that caught my attention a while back. Anandtech had a good opinion of it, and... not having used it... I'd tend to agree with them...


(the foxconn board looks solid... 100$ is about right for a basic 965 board, from what I can tell... it's a case of which one you like better.. I tend to pass on stuff like say, the asus commando... that lcd module readout is WAAAAAAY overpriced)

In terms of price/performance, you're doing good. Right now, core2 duo is the way to go. Intel did a good job with the architecture. Pound for pound, and clock for clock, it outruns everything else on the retail market right now, because it's more efficient per clock cycle.

A hundred smackers is pretty average for a 965 board. You got the basics. It's a question of do you want a couple extra sata ports, or does it have enough usb ports, etc. Just compare the boards vs features, lop off the super expensive ones like the commando unless you just really gotta have something like that lcd, and decide what's important to you.

If I were upgrading now, the foxconn would be on the consideration list. It might or might not be my final selection, but it'd be on the list.

Does that help?

1409  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 15, 2007, 07:04:11 PM
For the record, you old setup is nearly an exact match for mine...

athlon64 3500+
msi k8n neo4 platinum mb (modded to passive cool the northbridge.. god that 40mm fan howled)
corsair XL3200PRO ram (2-2-2-5 timings, woot!), but only 1 gig.. boo hiss.

current video is an ati x800-xl built by sapphire, and modded by me with a zalman cooler. even wired it to the onboard fan controller so the card still controls the fanspeed biggrin
* TheAtomicKid has been seriously considering upgrading the old video lately


(edit):I think I have to take this back... if he's using a 3000+, he's using a socket 754 board, unless I'm mistaken
1410  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 15, 2007, 06:55:12 PM
Foxconn makes decent stuffs, but there's a biostar unit that caught my attention a while back. Anandtech had a good opinion of it, and... not having used it... I'd tend to agree with them...

Notice the slot layout on the board. Even with a doubleslot cooling solution on the vid... no other slots are blocked. This may or may not be relevant.

However, look at the entire board specs... it uses the ICH8 southbridge, instead of the ICH8R, so no onboard raid. Not sure what your needs are in that area. The foxconn can use a few more sata drives without needing an adapter.


(the foxconn board looks solid... 100$ is about right for a basic 965 board, from what I can tell... it's a case of which one you like better.. I tend to pass on stuff like say, the asus commando... that lcd module readout is WAAAAAAY overpriced)
1411  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 15, 2007, 06:27:11 PM
I take it back. I've thought of one situation where having two cards would be preferable. If you're running a silent/quiet pc with minimal active cooling, and want more graphics firepower, then running a pair of passive gpu's (which usually can't be had in top end configurations), would indeed be a reasonable use of SLI.

1412  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 15, 2007, 06:15:50 PM
Note (in response to ceekay): the P965 is not an sli oriented chip. If you look closely, all the boards with 2 pci-e slots, are running them at 16 and 4 lanes each, respectively, unless I missed one. Also, whilst I know the 975 will do crossfire (but not normal SLI, unless they've somehow added support for it), I have no idea whether the 965 can actually support it, once you mount the cards.

All that said, my opinion on SLI is that it's fairly useless. Sure, you can mount two big honkin cards and gods own cpu, and run everything at wtfpwn speeds... but your average user cant afford that. Buy an SLI board with the thought for upgrading to a second video card later? By the time you purchase that vid card, the 6 month product cycle has likely caught you, and there's better stuff available on the market. God help you if they've stopped selling your card and you can no longer get a compatible product.

Much better off getting a single vid card, at the best speed you can afford, than trying to finagle two lesser units, and then fuss with SLI (and the headaches that sometimes go with it), as well.

Not saying SLI has no place in the world.. but basically, my opinion is that it's fairly irrelevant unless you're building a top end gaming beast, and buying both cards NOW. Otherwise, just get a single, faster, card, than the two you were planning to purchase.

If I were buying a rig tomorrow, I'd look hard at a p965 (or 975, though I dont need SLI), mboard, cpu, memory, and a single vid... probably a plain jane 8800GTX, to keep the cost down... Read an anandtech comparison of several factory overclocked 8800's, and for the GTX series, the performance advantage isn't more than 10-20%... and whilst the advantage for the GTS units is better, even the best one of the lot, didnt match a baseline GTX (though admittedly it came fairly close)

Hope this helps.


PS: Save money on memory. You're better off with more gigs of  slightly lesser 'performance' memory, then half the gigs, but a few % faster. I love my corsair ram, but I could have had 2 gigs instead of 1 at the price I paid, and would have been better off. Note that your mileage will vary on this one. Figure out where the performance break is for the memory, and pick up some decent ram that gives you enough performance to match that. Then go for quantity.
1413  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Recommend a good free cdr/dvd burning app? on: March 05, 2007, 07:08:28 PM
I'll admit I don't burn on a regular basis, but I've never had a lick of trouble out of cdburnerxp. It does everything I need, and it doesnt install a bunch of bloat into the system. Nothing runs in the background, etc, which was one of the reasons I tried it in the first place. may give you some more ideas to run with.

1414  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe - "I'm not the biggest fan... on: March 02, 2007, 10:51:45 PM
Looks to me like your rear exhaust and your psu exhaust will handle it. You wont have direct fan flow from the front of the case, but the air will still be moving. As long as you've got circulation, that should be enough. If it bothers you, you could get a quiet 60mm and ziptie it to the cooler. (use some sort of pad to dampen vibration) I understand there's going to be a fan header free on the mb biggrin

1415  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Even More Series Computer/Vista problems on: March 02, 2007, 02:20:39 AM
for serious hardware problems, start with the basics. pull hardware until you're left with a minimum bootable config. aka motherboard, graphics, cpu and memory. will it post? yes? go in, clean the bios. load optimized defaults, etc. Then start adding hardware back in once piece at a time.

If you cant get it to post with just the board, graphics, cpu, and memory... then start experimenting. cmos reset, pull/reseat the ram, etc.

Good luck.


PS: You can remove power from devices instead of physically uninstalling them. 99.99% of the time, that will be enough, if you dont want to physically dismantle the unit. The other .01%, is sometimes finicky/incompatible hardware, but it's pretty rare.

PSS: Raid is generally un-needed, but it's up to you. In particular, Raid0 is just asking for trouble.
1416  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe - "I'm not the biggest fan... on: March 02, 2007, 01:56:09 AM
I've replaced the northbridge on my MSI motherboard with a passive zalman, and it worked quite well. However, due to the positioning of the northbridge, I had to modify the heatsink by trimming some of the 'fins' from one side, so there was enough room for my graphics solution. After eyeballing the positioning of the northbridge on the asus mb, I suspect you to will have similar issues, unless your graphics solution is very 'slender'. Mine is an ati x800-xl with a zalman 700 cooler on it... with some trimming it fits just right, and has the added benefit of the 'wash' from the cooler, directly flowing over the northbridge.

After an extended period of time, and with upgrades on the horizon, I ordered the sli version of these, though I havent installed it yet.

Depending on how you fit it, it looks like either one could work for your setup... though I think I'd go with the SLI variant. If you check the website for the installation instructions, you'll see that you can mount it so that the radiator sits above the top video card, as long as there's nothing already in that space (custom video cooler, for instance). This also has the advantage of positioning the heatpipes above your heat source, if you're in a normal tower case.. which optimizes heatflow along the unit. (heat rises)

Good luck.


PS: The comment about case airflow above is correct... and critical. You must have decent airflow through your case, in order for 'passive' cooling such as this, to work well. Eyeball your airflow and apply common sense, etc. Too much? wrong direction? etc. Also be sure cabling etc is minimal and tucked neatly where possible. In particular, IDE and large SCSI cables are your main enemy.
1417  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Why is my system so slow?[Help] on: February 01, 2007, 05:29:20 AM
So, not a new build.

The memory setting in question might not be settable through your bios, it kinda depends. If it's showing 1T, though, that's what it's running at. Sounds like you got a case of 'too much crap'... you said you've reformatted the system several times?

All core2 duo systems I know of, use ddr-2 type ram... so yes, you'd need new ram. You'd also need ddr-2 for the new socket am2 athlon64 systems.

1418  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Why is my system so slow?[Help] on: January 31, 2007, 10:34:05 PM
PS: Check your memory timings in the bios and make sure it's running at 1T timing... assuming your memory can run at that speed ... do you have both mem slots full? if so, that could be causing it. I'm not sure if filling both slots on s754 has the same issues as filling all four slots on s939 with the total capacitance on the circuits being to high to run the memory at 1T timings... but it's a good bet that it is.

Assuming what I posted here isn't totally off the wall (someone please pipe in and correct me if they think I'm wrong), try pulling one dimm (assuming you're running two), and run your benchmarks (after checking the memory timings in bios... x x x 7 should be about optimal, if your memory can do it.)

Please note, that x x x 5 isn't actually optimal, even though it seems it would be, due to the way the athlon64 memory controllers work... the memory actually needs the slightly longer timing to perform optimally.

For instance, my memory in this system runs at 2-2-2-7 timings, with a 1T command rate.

Dropping that to a 2T command rate, with no other changes, will make about a 30% performance difference. Which is what I suspect your board might be doing.

1419  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Why is my system so slow?[Help] on: January 31, 2007, 10:27:05 PM
All the K8T Neo boards (not neo2), are socket 754, thus single channel memory only.

The OP is correct that this system should not be 'slow'... was it running 'up to speed' before, and now it's slowed down? Or is this a new build?

1420  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Upgrading advice on: January 27, 2007, 05:31:19 AM
My situation is similar to yours. I'm considering an 8800GTS for an upgrade. To justify a full 8800GTX, I'd need to upgrade to a very high end cpu for that socket, which I've also been pondering... but then there's core 2 duo as well.

If I were just swapping up the vid card (and that may be what happens), it's probably gonna be an 8800GTS, unless then new ati R600 based cards offer something better.

Time marches on smile

1421  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Problems with new AGP X1950 Vid Card on: January 25, 2007, 05:08:45 AM
Any updates on this? I'm curious, cause a friend is pondering one of these, or one similar to it.

1422  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Problems with new AGP X1950 Vid Card on: January 18, 2007, 11:47:48 PM
Aye, Enermax should be ok. It might be a 350, but if it can push 200 watts to the computer, it should be ok, unless the 12v rail is coming in too weak.

All that said.. though my x800xl ran hot.. it did NOT artifact on me... however, my psu was never in question.

Methink I'd go ahead and swap it. Perhaps the card was repackaged from a previous user (who damaged it) and reshelved. You never know. I've gotten 'new' products before, that turned out not to be. Worked ok, but it ticks me off everytime I catch some place doing it to me. Last time was the computer case I ordered... I noticed on the paperwork 6 months later that it had come from one of neweggs' refurb centers... I paid for a brand new one. Mind you it was in premium condition (apparently, as I didnt even notice until I happened to read some paperwork later on and caught it)..

Anyways, you never know. If the new one runs good without artifacting, but hot, then you're ok and can simply look for a replacement cooler.

Got a question on the psu.. how are you powering the card? molex connectors? anything else on the chain with those connectors? hard drives, fans, etc? ANYTHING else on the chain, can be a source of electrical interference (which can cause artifacts)...

In theory, it'd be easy to test this, assuming you can rearrange your power connectors so the card is on a chain by itself.

Also.. you said your corruption continued on the desktop after you shut off the game... but didnt start until you fired up the game, and got worse over time. Is it still corrupting, even after cold boot + time to cool, while showing the desktop? Such is likely a sign the card is permanently damaged.

Upon re-reading all this, it does sound like a heat issue for the most part. I don't know your setup or anything, dunno how your cooling is rigged, etc.
* TheAtomicKid frowns

oh, and turn off fast writes, if you didnt already. often a source of problems with agp setups... and it wont make a difference on your performance.


If it were me... I'd try and redo the computer to isolate the gpu on a power chain by itself, if possible. If not possible, as close as you can come. Feel free to temporarily disconnect stuff like the cd and floppy to get this done. After that, you could try either using some canned air to cool the card during testing by spraying the interface between the heatink and the gpu to keep it cool, and see if your artifacting goes away. (and your temps drop)... spraying the heatsink wont necessarily work if the thermal path is screwed.. the heats still in the gpu.

If you feel risky, you could try disassembly/reassembly to see if you can improve the thermal path with the crappy cooler. If that 'fixes' it, all you'd need to do at that point, is, if you wanted, look for an aftermarket cooler. I dont know how good your skills are in this area. If you dont feel you can do it without damaging the card, dont, cause it may cause problems returning it if you try this and fail biggrin

I had wonderful luck with my x800xl, but... two different cards.

It may be that sapphire simply looked at the total thermal power of the gpu from ati, and simply designed a cooler with 'x' surface area and 'y' fan, to supposedly meet specs. The chips are supposedly rated to like 80c, but mine experienced problems at that range of temps. (it's based on a slightly different process than the normal x800 and x850 chips were)

I dunno. /me mumbles
1423  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Problems with new AGP X1950 Vid Card on: January 18, 2007, 08:06:32 PM
btw, I looked at the card on newegg last night... assuming it's the same card (agp x1950 pro 512 mb sapphire), it does indeed look to be one of sapphires typical coolers, instead of a 'nice' one.

basically a flat piece of coopper, and another piece that's been 'folded' to make 'fins', and then bonded together somehow. fan on one end, and then either another copper layer to form the top surface, or plastic, or somesuch (not looking at it right now).

If so, this is the same type of solution my x800xl came with, and mine, at least, was barely sufficient, especially when combined with a crappy assembly job.

Sapphire... hardware good, assembly, hideous. You'd think ATI would put some smack on them, since it makes ATI look like their chips run too hot in general.

1424  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Problems with new AGP X1950 Vid Card on: January 18, 2007, 08:01:27 PM
I cant see how not receiving enough power could cause overheating issues on the card. It might indeed simply be a crappy thermal design in the end. The artifacting could be a result of 'dirty' power though... insufficient, outside of spec, etc. A good psu is becoming a necessity these days, for any rig that includes a high end gpu. Motherboards would seem to me to be slightly less vulnerable due to their beefier power circuitry... 8 phase power designs, anyone? GPU's don't really have that, dont think... they dont have room on the card for it... which was ok when they received all their power straight from the motherboard, nice and filtered.

Instant overheat really does sound like an assembly problem though. Even with a piss poor cooling solution, it should take a little while to go nuclear on you.

Simply put, you may have a combination of problems going here.

Fortron, Sparkle, Seasonic (my recommendation due to a combination of quality, silence, and money), pc power and cooling.

A psu from that list will do you well... do you need it? Possibly. And other than breaking out a multimeter and some creative testing, I know of no way to be absolutely certain. 350 watts _should_ be enough to run a system (most systems dont pull over 200-250, until you start looking at SLI rigs), but depending on the psu, it could be weak in some areas, or dirty power, etc.

The card... if your window is shrinking and you have doubts, get a refund, bide your time, and do some thinking. You've got a valid cause, unless they wanna be stinkers about it and claim there's 'nothing wrong with it' because they put it in a machine and it boots windows.

Which, btw, is not a good indicator the card is ok... running the 3d circuitry on the chip is much more taxing than just showing a desktop. Desktop is basically just idling the card.


1425  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Problems with new AGP X1950 Vid Card on: January 18, 2007, 07:37:30 AM
my x800xl runs nice and cool once I swapped out the crappy cooler for a much nicer zalman 700. Now it never breaks 55c, even under full load. Idle is 39c. Mind you, I haven't tried any of the new x1k series yet. Up to you, but I really think you ought to check your thermal path on the card. Like I said, sapphire doesnt have the best assembly in the world. Hardware is good though, they make all of ATI's cards for them.

1426  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: FYI: Video Codecs on: January 17, 2007, 06:13:02 AM
I have used the CCCP with great success for years now. It's really not intended to be used with windows media player, but instead with one of the included installations of either media player classic, or the other, included player in the install, which I cant remember off the top of my head because I dont use it. In fact, they customize the settings for the players, in the installation, to work best with the CCCP package without any user tweaking needed... because the entire idea of the package, is install it, and go. No muss, no fuss, nothing else needed.

If you had playback issues after installing the pack, something was wrong with the installation, probably a conflict with your existing codecs, etc. The installation instructions specifically recommend removing existing codecs and packs, before installing the CCCP, just for this reason. They even supply a utility they wrote, to help identify what is listed as installed on your system.

My playback is flawless, for the record, and the guys do a wonderful job of keeping the pack up to date, with new releases every few months, including tweaks and tuning.

My only problem with the CCCP, is they only code it for windows... if they'd port the package to linux.... well, that'd be one less barrier on my road to a microsoft free computing environment.

1427  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Is this a Vid Card or Software Problem? on: January 15, 2007, 03:12:44 AM
If it can run Oblivion (one of the more intensive games available currently), it should be able to run pretty much anything. I suspect a software issue. You _could_ check the games forums and see if there's a problem with the nvidia cards and/or drivers... always a possibility, although they'd usually be pretty quick to get a fix in. I think my first action would be either to hit their forums and check for issues, or else try the driver reinstall.... but if it's running oblivion smoothly, it's most likely something else.

Did HOMM V work smoothly with your previous card, or is this a new game?

1428  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Problems with new AGP X1950 Vid Card on: January 14, 2007, 08:07:43 AM
I'd definitely check the thermal path on the card before splurging on a new psu. depending on how the temperature is actually measured, your reading could be off by quite a bit (or it might be dead on.. my x800xl seemed to be spot on... and it's a sapphire too)

However, I noticed after I got it that the temps ran pretty high... disturbingly so. I pulled the card and disassembled it, cleaned, redid the paste, etc. Card dropped 15c idle and loaded, from that by itself. Even with the pos stock cooler. The cooler on the 1950's is much nicer, but I'd still check the construction.

After all, it's free, and it doesnt take even an hour. Just be careful on the disassembly/reassembly, and be aware it'll most likely void any warranty you might have. (try holding the card up in front of a lightsource, edge on, and see if you can see the cpu/heatsink interface, look for gaps, etc.

Sapphire makes good cards, but their product assembly may lack. My experience is based on one unit. Your mileage may vary.

Also, be aware of the changing nature of psu's, before you upgrade. If you're on an older agp motherboard, the psu requirements may be slightly different from newer stuff. For instance, the latest atx spec ditched the -5 volt line, iirc.... that used to be in use, but no longer is.

Also, newer  cpu's run on the 12 volt rail, instead of the... was it the 3.3 volt rail before? Cant remember. In any case, what this means is that the load balance on an older system, was different from newer stuff, so if your motherboard is fairly old, you might keep that in mind when looking for a new psu.

All that said, Seasonic makes some wonderful, QUIET, psu's.

1429  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Daily Tech says R600 kicks 8800's arse on: January 03, 2007, 10:08:44 PM
Daehawk, I used to have issues with the omegas too, but recent releases (in the last year or two), have been rock solid. And the integrated extras make for a very nice package. Might wanna give them another shot. I'm using the latest right now with zero issues.


(edit) assuming you still have any radeons laying around, that is. All that said, I'm probably switching back to nvidia going forward from here. my x800xl has been nice, but I think nvidia 'has it' for awhile. we shall see. It'll be interesting to see what amd-ati does, in the future.
1430  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Memory Dilema on: January 03, 2007, 10:05:57 PM
The speedup you get from the extra gig, might be worth it in some applications, however. Your mileage will vary biggrin

1431  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Memory Dilema on: January 03, 2007, 10:05:10 PM
Well, on the assumption that you're running an athlon 64 based system (big assumption, but I wanted to be safe rather than sorry), I'd like to remind everyone reading this who might be thinking along these lines, that except for one dfi motherboard that I know of, NO athlon64 system can run with all 4 memory slots full (socket939, not sure how this limitation affects socket 754 systems), and still run at 1T timings. It's a limitation of the memory controller vs the ... err.. I think it's the total capacitance of the circuit, iirc. Basically, when you start putting that many chips on the memory circuit without a buffer, something has to give.

So unless you can accept that limitation, which I believe will affect your overall speed by roughly 30%, depending on the application, avoid using more than 1 stick per channel.

I'm unaware of the limitations on intel based systems... and with socket754, the board does usually have 2 slots, which, attached to a single memory controller (there are two in a dual channel s939 chip, running in parallel), should result in the same slowdown, due again to the total capacitance of the circuit. Someone chime in here and correct me if I'm wrong.

Basically, athlon64, more than one dimm per memory channel is very very iffy, if you want to run at maximum speed.

1432  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: I.E. History not clearing on: December 09, 2006, 11:35:36 PM
Technically true, but it still doesnt engage in such reprehensible behavior as to run remote software like activex controls, which can compromise security, without the users consent, etc. It will still do java/javascript stuff, I suppose, but unless I'm mistaken, those have tighter restrictions on them?

About the worst behavior I've seen from java/javascript, is those stupid popup/popunder windows that somehow, invariably, slip by your popup prevention. be it built into the browser, or something like popup stopper.


TBH, I think what started me up on my avoid-IE crusade, is a combination of the stupid popups, combined with security worries, which at the time, were far greater than they are now. Stuck with me, I guess.
1433  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Hardware Review: Microsoft Habu Gaming Mouse on: December 09, 2006, 05:34:42 AM
Thanks for the extra picture. Much appreciated.
* TheAtomicKid ponders

1434  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Computer Crazy Again-Please Help!! on: December 07, 2006, 11:14:55 PM
Out of curiousity, did you check your bios settings to see if the usb ports are still enabled? I can't see why it would change, but it's technically possible.

1435  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: I.E. History not clearing on: December 07, 2006, 11:09:33 PM
Oh, for the record, since nobody directly and completely actually answered your question.

Tools/Internet Options/General Tab...

the 'Temporary Internet Files' section is the one you're looking for. Under advanced options you can do things like specify how much space it's allowed to use on the hard drive, etc.

I'm on broadband, so I dont recommend allowing it to use tons of space, UNLESS YOU ARE ON A BANDWIDTH PLAN. If your on managed bandwidth, you'll want to allocate a fair amount to the cache, so that it doesnt constantly redownload pages. I've got mine set  to 50 megs, which is more than enough space to cache pages. It used to be 5 megs, but I decided to show my provider a little mercy biggrin

Oh yeah. Mozilla for the win biggrin I use IE for exactly two things. Windows Update, and a particular web game I play that needs it. Other than that, it sits unused, cause I got tired of having to deal with security worries. (activex, etc)
1436  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Hardware Review: Microsoft Habu Gaming Mouse on: December 06, 2006, 08:47:49 PM
well, actually, I was just wondering if it had the standard tiny mouse feet, or if they'd made allowances by making the feet larger, or a solid pad, etc. eventually I'll find a pic on the net, was just curious if you'd noticed anything unusual to indicate they'd put some thought into it.

1437  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Serious Stuttering Issues With Games on: December 06, 2006, 08:45:48 PM
The best way to determine if you're having a problem with sound, is to disable it completely, and I'm talkin _completely_, and see if your problems go away. (my normal solution is to pull the sound drivers and yank the card, and run the box with no audio for testing. A bit extreme, but it insures there are no errors in configuration with the sound interfering with the testing)

That said, I've seen some other posts around the net regarding stuttering, and half life 2, in particular. I myself had no real issues with hl2, but episode 1 has a point in the game that I just can't seem to get past, even with sound disabled. Still fussing with it, but I just moved to a new house, so priorities changed. Haven't had time/inclination in a couple of weeks.

1438  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Serious Stuttering Issues With Games on: December 05, 2006, 06:44:48 AM
Something to do with sound, perhaps?


(guess based on your comment about opening a door)
1439  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Hardware Review: Microsoft Habu Gaming Mouse on: December 05, 2006, 04:59:16 AM
How are the feet on the Habu? I have problems with microsoft mice feet coming off (other mice too), but I haven't tried a razer mouse yet.

Aka, does it have feet that are going to resist coming off over time?

1440  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Keyboards - Saitek Eclipse II, Logitech G15, or what? on: December 05, 2006, 04:46:06 AM
Mmm... thanks. Heard a lot of good things about the tarantula from around the net. comments, etc. About the only thing that troubles me, would be how good/bad the macroing is, and... Razer support. It's somewhat infamous in my local cluster of friends, due to a poor experience. However, if I buy one, and that is becoming more and more likely due to repeated comments on the quality of the g11/g15 (poor construction, paint wears off, etc), I'd be buying it through compusa, and utilizing their return policy rather than going through razer, at least for as long as possible.

I had a logitech mx700 that really didnt hold up well over time. The paint had a very obvious reaction with my skin, and basically dissolved where your palm sits on the mouse over a few months. Also, one of the internal switches... the rightmouse iirc, cratered several months after purchase. I'm not saying logi is a bad company or anything, they make some awesome stuffs... but my experience with their 'build quality' is somewhat lacking, and comments from around the net about the g11/g15 seem to closely mirror my own general experience with the mouse.

I guess I'm  just being overly cautious. I'll wait til after xmas is done with, and see if I can't swing myself a new keyboard, though it'd be interesting to hear those comparisons on the macroing ability. Sight unseen, my only real 'complaint' about the tarantula, would be the layout for the macro keys. I'd much rather they all be on the left side, than split 50/50. I'm guessing that was to try and accomodate the southpaw crowd by giving each of us easy access to half the macro keys. I have no real use for the audio passthru, and the usb1.1 ports make me wiggle my eyebrows, but... other than a little extra cash, those don't bother me.

If I had my choice, I'd prefer a 'stripped for racing' variant. Flat black finish, no/minimal backlighting, all the macros on the left, no lighted emblem, no audio passthru, no battledock, no usb passthru, etc. Leave the build quality, the general shape/tilt/angle/whatever, all the rest, the same.

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