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1361  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Help Setting up 1080p HDTV as second monitor on: August 16, 2007, 05:06:29 AM
What card you using?

1362  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Whoa! ...BFG.....sweetness on replacement card on: August 16, 2007, 05:04:15 AM
*ponders the T-R beta installer... what the heck?*


*continues thinking*

1363  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Whoa! ...BFG.....sweetness on replacement card on: August 16, 2007, 04:59:39 AM
Leave memtest running overnight for several nights when you're not using the computer. Sometimes you get intermittant problems that wont show up immediately. Not saying you have bad ram, but if you can take the time, it doesnt hurt to give it the extra testing to be more assured. 2 hours isn't much.

Just had a realization. That's an agp version, is it not? I sorta defaulted to thinkin pcie cause that's prevalent these days.

But there are no 4200 pcie variants, which means your system is agp based, or else you've upgraded stuff since then.

You might also check your slot version for the agp slot, vs what the card needs.

And TURN OFF FAST WRITES. Nothing good comes of that. There's either no, or virtually no, performance gain to be had, and it suffered from compatibility issues for a long time.

What motherboard you using on this beast?

1364  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Whoa! ...BFG.....sweetness on replacement card on: August 14, 2007, 07:24:03 AM
Hmm.. you might also check around and see if there are any known bios incompatibilities between your new card, and your old hardware. You occasionally get weird stuff. One way to check is to break the system down to minimum (no sound, no usb devices, etc) and see if the problem goes away. If it does, start adding pieces back one at a time, etc etc you know the drill.

Website forums, etc. Motherboard manufacturer. Who knows?


It could still be the psu. Keep your receipts biggrin
1365  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Whoa! ...BFG.....sweetness on replacement card on: August 12, 2007, 08:48:19 AM
Hmmm... have you tried yanking the drivers/DriverCleaner/reinstalling the drivers?

1366  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Whoa! ...BFG.....sweetness on replacement card on: August 12, 2007, 02:34:12 AM
When it lets you play, will it just, let you play? Until you decide to stop? Or will it play for 'awhile', and then reboot?

1367  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Whoa! ...BFG.....sweetness on replacement card on: August 11, 2007, 10:54:17 PM

Cheaper at zipzoom, newegg has pictures. Looks like the 4pin is detachable on the main power.

1368  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Whoa! ...BFG.....sweetness on replacement card on: August 11, 2007, 11:51:02 AM
Well, one last cheap resort, might be to do some research on the power draw between the two cards, but it's really sounding like your psu at this point.

Dunno what kind of cash you have to spend... I've probably asked this before, but do you have a psu you can borrow? one that's known to be able to handle higher loads like that?

If you go the purchase route, I recommend pc power and cooling overall (expensive) and seasonic as a close second, or if silence matters to you. (the pcp&c units are 'fairly normal' in terms of noise... althoguh they do have a 'silencer' line.. not sure how quiet they really are.

The seasonics, however, are very very popular with the quiet crowd. will have more details than you can possible stand smile


For those interested... a good quality PSU is definitely the cornerstone of a modern gaming pc. The power draw in 3d mode, more powerful chipsets, etc, as well as increased sensitivity to out of spec voltages/current, demand it at this point. There are multiple 'good' psu brands out there, I recommend these two from either personal experience, or the experience of local friends that have used the parts. I myself, swear by pcp&c, however, I wish I'd found the seasonic info before I bought my last one. I'm trying to make my machine 'quiet', and the psu, while not horrible, can definitely be heard when the machine is on. The quality on the seasonics is equivalent to the pcp&c units, or so close it doesnt matter. It's a question of 'maximum performance' vs 'not quite maximum, but much quieter' biggrin
1369  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Whoa! ...BFG.....sweetness on replacement card on: August 11, 2007, 06:47:38 AM
If it's a power issue, it could either boot spontaneously while playing in 3d mode, or it might reboot everytime you try to access 3d mode. Also, it might give you bluescreen errors when dealing with a 3d mode.

Was it rebooting before the 6800 crapped out?

And does the 7800gs have an extra power connector for supplemental power? And if so, did you plug it in?

1370  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How ya clean an old printer? on: July 28, 2007, 03:51:50 AM
Be careful, you'll end up spending more on cleanup, than you would on a new printer. There are some really really cheap deals out there.

If that doesnt sort by lowest price first, just flip it til it does. There's a lexmark in there for.. 27 bucks.

Don't know what your goals are. You can try the alcohol cleanup solution.. never seems to work for me. It seems to me, inkjets are almost designed to fail, after perhaps a year. I bought my mom a nice new HP inkjet... and she occasionally used it, perhaps 1-2 times a month. Behold, after roughly a year, it started giving very bad output. Cleanup, etc, failed. Then the electronics failed. Blinkenlights, printer refusing to complete powerup and achieve ready state, etc. Ended up borrowing another HP (different model) from a friend of hers. It's ok, nothing special. Waiting on it to fail too.

In my opinion... inkjets are 'disposable' printers. Don't count on them lasting for years and years.

Possibly the problem is HP, rather than inkjets in particular? There are some other good names out there, but I've never bought any of those.

1371  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Big Computer Issues: Crashes Ahoy on: July 27, 2007, 06:35:00 AM
Good start. If you have time/capability, let it run overnight at some point.. it will repeatedly test, so if you have an intermittant problem with the ram, it might show up.
If you feel up to it, you could try breaking your system down to basics (motherboard, cpu, ram, video, hdd) and start doing some more extensive testing to see if you've got a bad part somewhere.

If you suspect the psu, unfortunately, unless you have a spare or one you can borrow, it's gonna be tough to tell.

1372  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Serious & power on: July 26, 2007, 09:22:07 PM
Definitely just a short... may be what killed your video card. Not sure why one would spontaneously appear though. Possibly something that popped up while you've been messing with the other problem?

PS, you may have had a power surge. I had roughly the same symptons with my geforce3 back in the day... along with a whole host of other problems... everything just started slowly dying. No smoking gun, but I've always suspected I ate a surge.


Many things can be cured by a total disassembly/cleanup/reassembly, if you're up to it. It's not quite up to nuclear weapon level solutions like using dban to wipe a hard drive... but it's up there, so play at your own risk smile
1373  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Big Computer Issues: Crashes Ahoy on: July 26, 2007, 09:18:21 PM
Always start here... before pretty much anything else except possibly blowing out dust/cleaning, which you've already done. DEFINITELY start here before taking things apart/spending money.

If it comes back clean, then start looking at your video card.

1374  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: A way to check video card ram? on: July 16, 2007, 03:07:58 AM
Hope you had good luck / be gentle. I'm sure you know the drill, etc.

Btw, for folks reading this. Remember that most thermal paste has a lifetime on it (some don't)... aka, once you install it, it will usually last x amount of time, then you need to consider reapplying.... the stuff tends to dry out.

Always a good idea to keep an eye on your temps, etc... when something starts creeping up, it's time to clean/dust/eyeball test.

Dae... that's probably your environment at 59c, and your gpu at 89c.. and wow, those are both waaaaay up there.

1375  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: A way to check video card ram? on: July 14, 2007, 10:06:52 PM
It's not a direct test, but you could download atitool and use the artifact scanner to see if your card has problems. Don't be fooled by the name.


P.S. Check the cooling on your card... my x800xl started having problems a few months after I bought it... world of warcraft started crashing on me, artifacts, etc. Turns out it was a heat issue that popped up after the card 'aged'. Also turns out, the factory did a horrible job of assembly. Simple disassemble/clean/re-paste/reassemble bought me a 15c improvement in idle/loaded temps. Replacing the factory cooler later on bought me another 15c... and even just the first step, made all my problems go away, even without the third party cooler.

These days when I buy hardware, I eyeball it close before doing the initial testing. If it works, that's good. Once I confirm it's working, I start checking temps, and pondering how to rework it myself so that it's actually 'good'. Sad fact is, your card was probably assembled by some guy who was just in a hurry to finish his shift/quota/etc and go home for the day.
1376  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Help me with my RPG problem... on: June 18, 2007, 05:07:02 PM
Guild wars is nice because it's pay once, and it keeps getting developed. Get bored with it? Set it down for a while. In the mood? Pick it up again, might be new and interesting things to do. Or you're interested in a different type of character this time around. I haven't played it in a bit, currently back in WoW, but it still resides on my hdd. Plus, their streaming technology is truly awesome, and makes the game a dream to keep up to date. Just do the purchase online and download the entire client. You can start in just a few minutes. (it doesnt have to complete the download to start playing)

You might be able to pick it up a lot cheaper somewhere else, not sure.

(warning for people with capped bandwidth that this style of install is not necessarily economically sound biggrin )


(edit: sorry, missed the previous posting requesting sci-fi stuff)
1377  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: More Firefox Nonsense.... on: June 12, 2007, 11:35:53 PM
Still using vista underneath? Perhaps that's affecting it. I use WinXp Pro still, and firefox is my sole browser unless I am forced to use IE, such as, for instance, the windows update website.

Anyways, wanted to chime in that I'm not having ANY issues with it. What add-ons, if any, are you using with it? I only use no-script myself.


(edit) I definitely never end up with multiple instances of it like that.
1378  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Are there any 56k-friendly MMORPG's? on: June 11, 2007, 08:45:38 PM
In my opinion... note that, it's important... no MMO is going to be 56k friendly except in areas where there is little in the way of pc/npc crowding. The more mobs.. be they players or npcs' in an area, the more positioning data has to be sent over the 56k line to your computer... it reaches a point of saturation where the game just CANT send more data in a given timeframe... what happens is, objects start 'teleporting' when they move, which is... annoying, to say the least.

Also, entering a scene where lots of new data has to be sent to your comp, will cause 'zoning' issues.

Many of them CAN be played via 56k. Just watch out for crowded areas, etc.

Off to work now, flame on! biggrin

1379  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: [Vista] System stable... for now. on: June 08, 2007, 08:04:09 PM
Curiousity, what games? Using directx 10, etc? Details man, details! biggrin


I've avoided vista so far because of the general wisdom of waiting for the 1st service pack, plus, I simply don't 'need' it yet. Aka nothing I use requires vista explicitly. In fact, the only reason I upgraded to XP was that I was intending to work for a particular house that required xp and a couple of other software packages. Never did sign up for the job, but I gotta admit, (edit)XP(edit) has been an improvement over 2k, I wasn't really expecting it to be this much better. The networking in particular is much improved over the old model. Not so much the network code itself, I think, but the new way of implementing an individual network connection via control panel for each device, with it's own sharing controls and protocols, instead of the old list mode, and then choosing which to bind to which, etc. It just seems to work better.

(edited for content due to being tired and posting... not a good combo biggrin )
1380  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Thunderbird just completely screwed me on: June 08, 2007, 03:53:47 PM
Ok, I admit I'm curious. I want to read this review. I still feel your pain, I remember outlook express eating my email history with great clarity, and it was teh suck. But....


Atomic smile
1381  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: [Calvin] The I HEART Calvin thread! on: June 05, 2007, 04:24:36 AM
That's it, everybody go to your corners for time out biggrin

1382  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Anyone Dual Booting XP/Vista? on: May 19, 2007, 05:23:16 AM
No Calvin. BAD CALVIN! Calvin2be staying away from Vista until at least the first service pack.

Help me out people, we gotta hold him down or something...

Sure, Vista works.... but this is Calvin we're talking about...


1383  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Vista is sucking my life away- need help unistalling it on: May 12, 2007, 05:01:56 AM
All fixed?

As far as the ATA/RAID switch, I got no idea... I never utilize raid normally.

1384  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Thunderbird just completely screwed me on: May 12, 2007, 04:55:30 AM
Any luck with this sucker, or are you really screwed? frown

1385  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Vista is sucking my life away- need help unistalling it on: May 07, 2007, 08:36:04 PM
Mind you it's sorta like using a low yield nuclear weapon, when all you needed was the m-16 biggrin

1386  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Vista is sucking my life away- need help unistalling it on: May 07, 2007, 08:34:17 PM
This might help you on your way. Be careful!


1387  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Thunderbird just completely screwed me on: May 05, 2007, 08:44:24 PM
That's still completely insane for an OS to decide to delete your files on it's own. Especially by default. Not that I _ever_ intended to upgrade to vista, but this is just one more layer of icing on the proverbial cake.


I wonder if this was 'accidental' ?... thunderbird is, after all, a competing email package... and microsoft has been known to deliberately break things before...

Out of curiousity, what was the small change you made?

1388  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Thunderbird just completely screwed me on: May 05, 2007, 08:52:09 AM
It's called remote assistance :/

1389  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Thunderbird just completely screwed me on: May 04, 2007, 03:11:28 AM
It smells like it deleted your actual inbox file on the drive. I bet, if you check in your mail folder under appdata, you've got the two sub folders, one with your mailbox, the other should still be entitled 'local folders'... and that structure actually contains all the mails you moved into subfolders. If you check the other folder, you should have two files titled inbox... one has the .msf extension... see if you have any more with that name, and check the other folder structure as well?

I can't figure why it would move it.. that'd be decidely odd. Or perhaps the file became too large? not sure what the filesize limits are for the app. Or perhaps it got corrupted?

What strikes me as interesting is that the entire contents of your inbox are gone, rather than just 'all files older than 30 days' or 'all but the last 30' or somesuch. I suspect the file got deleted or molested in some manner.

1390  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Thunderbird just completely screwed me on: May 04, 2007, 02:37:03 AM
Ok, describe to me how your folders/accounts are setup inside, please? You have just the basic account, with folders underneath it? Or something more like my own, with, supposedly, two accounts (the second being just a basic mail store, with no 'account' per se, just storage)


Gotta edit this... I think the thing defaults to the second account no matter what. Sets it to Local Folders, right alongside where it keeps your inbox/etc. In my case, I reset that sucker so that 'local folders' is actually my perma mail store on my data drive. What I was wondering is if, somehow, it had moved your inbox over without you realizing it. Or if it had somehow generated you a new empty inbox, while keeping 'local folders' where you were possibly keeping your folders.
1391  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Thunderbird just completely screwed me on: May 04, 2007, 02:34:42 AM
Back, thinking.

1392  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Thunderbird just completely screwed me on: May 04, 2007, 02:15:55 AM
bbiab, gotta go fetch ice cream for my somewhat sick mom (allergies, methink, but she's milking it biggrin )

1393  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Thunderbird just completely screwed me on: May 04, 2007, 02:07:27 AM
For the record, I'm sitting here fussing with my install, after having backed up my mail store. (after moving the contents of my inbox to a folder in my mail store)

What it appears to be doing, is using my default location (under appdata), for the inbox, junk/spam/sent/etc default areas, with the user defined stuff in the perma store (on a different drive, even).

Not directly related to your problem, but since I'm not sure how you're set up, mebbe it'll cause you to think of something.

Before, when I had this working, it showed TWO accounts in Thunderbird... one for the local stuff (under appdata), and then a second 'account', with the permanent mail storage stuff.
* TheAtomicKid is kinda boggled why they adjusted it like this.

I do realize after looking at the data structure in appdata, that it had the local folders, and the account, both under 'mail'...but why they combined the entries in the lefthand pane like that, I'm not sure. Irrelevant right now, methink.
1394  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Thunderbird just completely screwed me on: May 04, 2007, 02:01:27 AM
* TheAtomicKid mumbles

Settings check? Is it set to never delete mail, etc? *(under disk space in the account stuff)

1395  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Thunderbird just completely screwed me on: May 04, 2007, 01:24:19 AM

Did you check the directory structure where it normally keeps your inbox? The default should be in

C:\Documents and Settings\*******\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\******.default

Unless you've moved it?

Not entirely sure what error you've hit upon that's causing this. You're causing me to re-examine my mail configuration again. At one point, outlook express ate 10 years of my email history because microsoft changed a default behavior without mentioning it in the patch notes. And the backup, cause I got careless. frown

My normal configuration for mozilla mail in the past, has been a normal inbox, which usually resides in the normal place, and then an 'email storage account', on my data drive. However, when I swapped over to thunderbird, it doesnt seem to want to do that properly, or I'm not doing something correctly. Or something.

*backs up his email store RIGHT FREAKIN NOW*

1396  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: System froze and won't reboot on: May 03, 2007, 09:21:43 AM

how many drives should be on the raid controller?

do you have any other drives attached to the system? are they showing up properly?

was your boot volume on the raid?

(secondary post claimed no raid, so it's just a normal volume)

etc etc etc.

It could happen for any of a number of reasons. Power surge, bad drive (if there's only 1 drive on it would explain it not showing ANY drives for raid use), etc etc etc. Heck, the power cable could have come loose.

Need more info. If you're not using the raid, why is the drive attached to the raid controller? Etc etc etc.


***secondary post claimed no raid, this line removed***
1397  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How hot should a graphics cards run? on: May 02, 2007, 07:33:10 AM

They've got them listed again, albeit out of stock. Out of Stock (ETA:05/07/2007)

I'd stick an auto-notification in there for myself, if you're still keen on picking one up.

1398  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Help With SATA HDD ASAP! on: May 01, 2007, 09:54:03 PM
1399  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Never assist Calvin; his curse is contagious. on: May 01, 2007, 09:27:10 PM
Mind you, the easiest thing to start with, is to start looping a memtest run while you're not using the comp.

1400  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: These parts. Good rig? on: May 01, 2007, 09:21:50 PM
Yeah, I didn't feel like getting into nasty details. Late/tired/haven't really had to do any psu research in quite a while. But heat is definitely one of the factors. Like Thin said... most psu's average about 40c internal temperature during operation... higher if the case has poor heat dissipation or uses the psu for most of it.... yet most manufacturers do indeed rate their units for 25c operation.... and when they go over that, the unit starts underperforming it's specs.

One thing that will help that, is to buy a good case that's designed for optimal heat/airflow. Like the ones that mount the psu at the bottom, and/or seperate the psu from the main chamber so that it gets independant airflow from the case, keeping it as cool as possible (also helps keep the internal fan circuit from thinking it's necessary to raise the fan speed, which is nice on the ears).

Add on a good solid PSU of your choice... my overall recommendation rests with Seasonic right now, for a combination of quality power delivery and silent operation... and a good solid motherboard... peoples opinions vary on this one... and you have a recipe for a stable base system. After that it's just a matter of additional parts.

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