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1361  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Help With SATA HDD ASAP! on: April 25, 2007, 11:53:06 AM
And for the record, Calvin, I've never seen anyone with a worse anti-tech curse than yours. Ever. You make me want to run and hide biggrin

Easy answer. Get a smaller drive for boot, and use the big drive for data. Do the install, update, then do the format on the big drive. Presto and done. Else just partition the drive. (assuming you cant get winblows to see the entire drive)

If you felt like spending lots and lots of cash on an itty bitty drive, you could splurge for one of the new 32gig flash drives, which would add zero noise level to your system, and be remarkably light on power usage too smile (unfortunately, you pay for it up front.. they're still about 500 smackers on newegg...)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010070068+1053122577&name=Solid+State+Drive+(SSD)

Surely... SURELY.... a solid state flash drive with no moving parts and no exposed electronics is capable of withstanding your... abilities... long enough to be installed without malfunctioning... biggrin

Atomic

edit: I'm kidding. They're all PATA44 units... and whilst that's not overtly a problem (you can get specialized cables for em), I personally won't be getting any until they come out in native sata interfaces. and the cost will have to come down to at least half current market... Atomic
1362  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Help With SATA HDD ASAP! on: April 25, 2007, 11:41:23 AM
Hard to imagine a sata bios that's limited to 137 gigs... arent they all 48bit lba? I'm thinking it's the OS.

Try Partition Magic or somesuch?

Atomic
1363  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How should I install my CPU fan? on: April 25, 2007, 05:52:15 AM
Okay, assuming there isn't an airflow indicator marked on the beast somewhere.

If it's a 'normal' fan, it will actually blow air in the direction you think it wouldn't... if you're looking at the fan side of the beast, most likely it rotates counterclockwise, leading with the tips of the blades, which to me seems arse backwards, but I'm not into fluid dynamics, they probably know more than I know. biggrin

So, put the fan on the side AWAY from where you want the air to blow.

That said, test the sucker before mounting it if you can. SURELY there's an indicator somewhere in the documentation? or on the fan itself?

Atomic
1364  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need MB advice-want easy to use no nonsense top of the line gaming MB on: April 22, 2007, 01:37:51 AM
Hmmm... general advice here.

a: manufacturers couldnt stay in business if they were in the habit of delivering generally defective products.. one bad experience does not a poor manufacturer make...
b: motherboards based on the same chipset tend to performa within 1-2% of each other in benchmarks...
c: other intangibles. do you like the way the motherboard manufacturer handles bios updates. do you like the way the board is laid out, rma experience, etc... ?

The new nvidia chipsets, and the new intel chipsets, both have excellent performance. Since you're going with an nvidia gpu, I'd say unless you truly don't care about sli in the future, my recommendation is to stick with one of the new nvidia chipset based boards. I understand the 650i boards are very good bang for the buck...

Beyond that, I won't pretend to advise you, as I've not owned/built a c2d system yet.

Atomic
1365  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Help!! New video card not working. on: April 18, 2007, 05:28:40 AM
So did you get it working?

Atomic
1366  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Help!! New video card not working. on: April 12, 2007, 11:13:13 PM
Pretty much gotta hope there's something in the documentation. Sometimes the original manufacturer's maintain easily accessible (aka downloadable) specs.

Other than that, only way would be if you had enough electronics under your belt to open the psu and eyeball it... I myself probably couldnt do this successfully.

Honestly, your best option is to get a psu with pci-e connectors. Admittedly, that's the expensive option frown

Seasonic, Pc Power and Cooling, both make truly excellent supplies. I'd give PCP&C the slight nod in terms of overall power quality/delivery, and Seasonic gets the nod for Quality plus extremely quiet operation.

To be honest, as far as powering the connectors goes, start by trying to get two strands with no other devices on them.. if you can manage that, then you can hope they're on different rails. Most people have troubles just freeing up two strands, which is the main reason having the dedicated pci-e connector is better. The power is no different, you just just dont end up giving up half your power connectors just so the video card can run trouble free.

Atomic
1367  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How hot should a graphics cards run? on: April 12, 2007, 12:11:24 PM
Ahh I see. Just checked it. You COULD, however, look at upgrading to a regular 640gts, or a full gtx, via the program.

Good luck,

Atomic
1368  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How hot should a graphics cards run? on: April 12, 2007, 11:49:56 AM
You might consider the evga 'stepup' program. Dunno how long you'v ebeen in posession of your card?

Atomic
1369  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How hot should a graphics cards run? on: April 12, 2007, 11:28:07 AM
Newegg had them listed until about 24 hours after I ordered mine. It arrived yesterday afternoon. Was like 336.xx after the UPS tax.

Note, that's the 320 meg version.. the 640's are considerably more expensive, like 459$?

Atomic

edit: Anandtech had a nice roundup of 320 meggers including the evga 320 superclocked... the numbers there are what convinced me to get a 320... and the ac3 version popped up on newegg just about the time the money rolled in, so I went with that. It was either that, or just get a default one and look at overclocking/cooling it myself.
1370  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How hot should a graphics cards run? on: April 12, 2007, 11:01:21 AM
Yeah, it's the 320 megger. I got it because, for 330$, I can... _almost_ match  a stock 8800gtx, especially at the resolutions I run (1680x1050 is my limit currently)...

I was somewhat tempted by the more expensive 640 meg variant, but... this one tempted me with it's 330$ nuevo-svelte pricetag biggrin

I'm annoyed about the sata ports. I have the feeling if I'd bought a stock card, I could have avoided that.. but noooooo, I hadda be swayed by the sexy phat acs3 cooling unit!!!

What's worse is, the HR-03 plus cooler is apparently outstanding at cooling these beasts down... I just read a forum post about a guy who idles his at 38c, loaded at 45c... as cool as my old sapphire x800xl ran after I modded it with a zalman cooler.

Atomic

Still happy with it, just some minor issues... the sata ports are a bit more than minor, but I can deal. Just gotta figure out how I want to do that.
1371  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How hot should a graphics cards run? on: April 12, 2007, 08:47:55 AM
With the fan still forced to 100%, some extended sessions with ati tool .26, have managed to push the temps as high as 70c, that's with additional overclocking... I've discovered the core will actually do 640 mhz if I want. Not that there's a point right now, this comp isn't fast enough as it is. Still havent let it stress the memory, been doing other things.

Anyways, it sounds like your temps are doing just fine. One thing you might try, is to take out your slot covers (bezels) in the back to allow either cool air in, or warm air out, depending on your case presssure, etc. I'm probably going to shut down and do that myself in a minute, to see what kind of difference it makes. The handy dandy 'hand' test, where you place your bare hand underneath the vents on the running (even idle) 8800, has determined that 'It's hot, Bob!' when testing the temperature of the exhausted air... either letting more of it exit the case, or letting some cool air into the case from outside, may help drop temps a little more. This is probably pointless in my case... my bezels are already poked full of holes from the factory for extra ventilation... but I'll take a degree or two if I can get it.

Atomic
1372  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How hot should a graphics cards run? on: April 12, 2007, 07:30:06 AM
Hmm.. I may have trouble here. My s939 a64/3500+ is having trouble making the 8800 get warm. If I leave everything on automatic, with the side of my case open so it can get fresh air (only way to really do an apples/apples comparison here), my 8800gts which is the evga acs3 part clocked at 589/1840, idles at 57c. If I force the fan to 100% (99% according to ntune), it will drop the idle temp to 51c.

So far, I havent been able to make the temperature climb in a 3d game. *boggle*

For the record, god this thing is big. It's long enough it obstructs two of my four primary sata ports... the card sits low enough to the board that I can't attach a cable to port 1 or 2.. the card wont seat properly if I do. A normal 8800 with a normal cooler, might not have this problem, as the end of the card just has parts on it, and not a big phat black cooler housing that blocks my sata ports :/

The fan defaults to what appears to be 59% if left on auto control, and it's very quiet in this mode. 100% is quite noticeable, however.

Atomic

1373  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Help!! New video card not working. on: April 11, 2007, 09:17:02 PM
Ideally with those 4-6 adapter's, you use one 4 pin molex from each of two different strands, so as to balance the power load across two seperate sets. If you use two molex connectors from the same set, or as you mentioned, splitting one into two, and then using both of those to power your pci-e you're still overloading the max power draw for a single molex run. Better yet, if your psu has split 12v rails, you figure out which strands are on which rails, and split the load up between rails as well. (personally I prefer psu's with a single larger rail instead).

Atomic

ps: wish I'd spotted that earlier, I've been watching this thread for a couple days.

ps2: even more ideally is if you can avoid using those molex runs for any other devices, in order to keep them 'quiet'... modern gpu's are extremely picky about their power... bad power is probably the MAIN reason people have problems once they get the card installed correctly and 'it SHOULD be working'...
1374  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How hot should a graphics cards run? on: April 09, 2007, 03:20:57 AM
Got a local friend who picked up an evga 8800gtx AC3 2-3 weeks ago, and my 8800gts AC3 should arrive from UPS sometime early this week. His temps are pretty high, and got worse after disassembly reassembly (he did the assembly, not me, so cant say how good it is)

I'll keep you updated once I have something solid to go on.

Mind you, these are both overclocked units, so in theory, your temps, by comparison, ought to be better.

Atomic

(I may have to go re-assemble his card for him at some point in the near future, if he's game. His temps are _high_)
1375  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Router help on: April 09, 2007, 12:48:48 AM
Update?

Atomic
1376  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Microsoft Habu Issues-just my luck! on: April 06, 2007, 01:59:09 AM
Cannot advise. No personal experience with Razer yet. Again, my friend locally who had a Boomslang? old tech, at one point, had a miserable experience with their support.

Atomic
1377  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Microsoft Habu Issues-just my luck! on: April 05, 2007, 10:49:30 PM
* TheAtomicKid backs away slowly...

Careful folks, it could be contagee-us. Someone git mah sawed-off and tha double ought.
* TheAtomicKid coughs..

Ahem. How's the exchange going? Are they replacing it?

Atomic
1378  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Computer keeps freezing and it's driving me mad... on: April 05, 2007, 04:22:13 AM
Yay!
* TheAtomicKid scribbles note to self: always test ram first if the computer is bootable.

Atomic
1379  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Computer keeps freezing and it's driving me mad... on: April 04, 2007, 06:04:55 AM
Oh and be sure and take static precautions while handling your ram. No sense adding to the problems.

Atomic
1380  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Computer keeps freezing and it's driving me mad... on: April 04, 2007, 06:04:05 AM
Remove two sticks of ram, use the mem tester either on the bootcd or on a bootable cd setup of your choice, or whatever. Doesnt load windows environment, therefore doesnt need the space. Test each piece of ram individually until you find errors, or you're satisfied the ram is trouble free. Also be sure to check your ram voltages vs the speed your bios is set to run the ram at. Perhaps something changed, or perhaps it's been off the entire time, and the ram has been fine, but now it's gotten 'old enough?' that now it's giving trouble. You never know.

Anyways, just test each stick on it's own. I'm assuming you can do that, since you're using 3 sticks... if you were running dual channel ram, you'd need either two or four sticks, etc etc etc.

Atomic
1381  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Computer keeps freezing and it's driving me mad... on: April 01, 2007, 01:19:40 AM
Note: you dont want more paste under a heatsink. You want just enough for an incredibly thin layer.. to fill the micropits in the metal surfaces... not a 'sandwich'. If you have an oreo cookie, you're giving yourself a heat problem. Put basically 1 little drop in the center of the chip, and use a razor blade (or a credit card, but this is sloppier), to spread it out from the center.

Hmm... the problem here is, there are soooo many things it could be... the fact that the problem is creeping, from 3d mode only to doing it when sitting on the desktop, isn't good.

1: Strip down the comp to the basic components required to boot the thing. mb, cpu, ram, video, psu, cdrom, hdd. pull the sound card, disconnect extra drives, etc.
2: let it sit on desktop.. does it have the problem?
3: access 3d mode via your game of choice... problem?
4: run a thorough memtest, via the bootcd or downloaded copy, your choice. booting it from a cd via a bootable cd (dos or otherwise), is better here, because it frees up more memory for testing... problem?

Your basic options are heat, and power delivery (or thirdly, damage to the components from a power spike). Heat is the easier of the two to fix. You can redo the paste, you can reassemble anything with a heatsink on it (I've seen some truly crappy factory jobs for instance). You can clear out the airflow so the system isn't choking trying to get fresh air by tucking/wrapping/tieing cable away neatly out of the airpath.

Etc etc etc.

One trick. Open the side of the case and aim a desk fan at the insides. Does this reduce or 'fix' your problem? If so, you have a heat issue, and now you know what you're working with.

Good luck
1382  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Quickish Opinions: Razer Copperhead 2000dpi Gaming Mouse on: March 31, 2007, 04:46:10 AM
Friend of mine that lives here locally owned a razer mouse at one point. When one of the mousebutton switches broke on him, he said he had a truly miserable experience with razer's tech support trying to get it fixed. Your mileage may vary.

Out of curiousity, what's up with the firmware issues with the habu?

Atomic
1383  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Router help on: March 31, 2007, 04:39:08 AM
That's a good idea actually. CompUSA has an excellent return policy, if it can't do what you need.

Atomic
1384  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Router help on: March 30, 2007, 04:51:35 AM
I just found something in the product manual...

Pre-configured ports to accommodate up to 256 policies for games and applications

Now, don't ask me why they call them 'pre-configured', because they're not, unless they're referring to the gamefuel stuff, which is packet prioritizing.

But even if that's referring to gamefuel... where the limit is 256 in one area... good odds they'll use the same limit in other areas as well... again, you might email dlink themselves with the question.

Atomic
1385  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Router help on: March 30, 2007, 04:45:28 AM
There's no indication of a limit built into the webgui. I've never had to use a ton. You might email dlink themselves.

Here's the support page... I must apologize, the model number is 4300, not 5300. My absolute bad for not double checking before posting. the DGL-4300 to be exact.

http://support.dlink.com/products/view.asp?productid=DGL%2D4300#faq

I can't find a mention of a limit in the faq, nor in the product manual... I'm sure there is one though, they just don't bother to mention it.

I also just checked the device itself... onboard help file does not mention a maximum number of ports forwarded... it just builds a list at the bottom of the screen as you add entires.

Atomic

PS: As soon as they start building digital tuners into everything, for unencoded public channels (current cable boxes normally dont digitize public channels, they just pass the analog signal through (ie: channel 1-125 or so) which is why you can still tune those with no cable box.... the problem will be solved again anyways. Perhaps someone will get a clue before we're 'stuck' with 5 billion cable tv boxes just to get basic functionality... then again, the cable companies are gonna resist that tooth and nail.. they charge for those boxes, and it's an easy way to prevent casual cable theft.
1386  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Router help on: March 30, 2007, 01:54:39 AM
Ouch. Gonna suck to be you when everything goes completely digital in about 3 more years, assuming they stay on schedule this time.

Once again I'll chime in for the dlink 5300 (or the 5100 if you dont want the wireless). It's definitely done a standup job for me, although if you want to explore the custom firmwares, you're probably better off going with something like the linksys.

Another alternative would be to dedicate a box and run something like http://m0n0.ch/wall/ ... I'm thinking this would be the ultimate in control for your network, but the most difficult to setup. I have no experience here, your mileage may very biggrin

Atomic
1387  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Computer keeps freezing and it's driving me mad... on: March 30, 2007, 01:36:37 AM
Well, you said the computer has been puttering along fine, but....

tis possible you had a power surge or somesuch when you werent looking. You did say 'up until a couple of weeks ago'... so SOMETHING has changed.

Try borrowing a video card and swapping that out, see if your problem goes away.

If not, try borrowing another psu with enough horsepower to run the system, and swap that in, and see if it makes any difference.

The fact that you're only having issues when you enter 3d mode on the video, is an indicator there's something wrong in the power... the cards draw a LOT more power when they start running the 3d portion of the chips. Now this something that's wrong, could be on the card, or it could be wrong in the psu... but it's not very likely to be a driver issue, etc. It's possible, but not likely.

The sound stuttering is pretty typical.. but you could take that out of the loop by removing the sound card while you proceed with your testing...

Actually, given that it's an agp system and you'll have issues finding a replacement agp card to borrow that can do the 3d mode equivalent to your current card, I'd go with trying to borrow a psu first.

And yeah, it's annoying. HULK SMASH is definitely dangerously high on the list of possible responses some days.

I wish you luck.. the last time I ate a power surge, it burned its way through the UPS I had attached at the time, took out a motherboard, possibly a cpu (no way to test, loaned the cpu to a friend but he never got around to it), video card, my lcd panel at the time... all slow failures... they slowly exhibited more and more issues over the course of a year. Artifacts in the video, fuzziness from the lcd panel that would slowly go away as it warmed up (finally it refused to show a picture at all, just fuzz), a motherboard with 'issues'.. failure to boot, failure to recognize devices from time to time, etc.

It ended up being a rather large pile of dead equipment.

http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ ... may be of service to you.

Atomic

1388  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Router help on: March 29, 2007, 10:20:40 PM
PS: Why'd you have to give up FIOS? I'd been considering it at one point.

Atomic
1389  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Router help on: March 29, 2007, 10:19:41 PM
How are your options with multiple ip's from your cable modem? one possibility might be to simply use a switch with no NAT/firewall, and give each computer a software firewall instead. I know I personally wouldnt feel as comfortable, but it might suffice for your purposes?

Atomic
1390  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Router help on: March 29, 2007, 12:43:02 PM
I've been really pleased with my dlink gamerlounge 5300s's options and performance. Handles bittorrent like a champ, priority packeting for games, etc. Works very nicely.

Atomic
1391  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Tell Me About WD Raptors on: March 28, 2007, 09:30:02 PM

Quote from: Destructor on March 28, 2007, 05:26:14 PM

So...how much faster are these seriously compared to the 'current' SATA technology? Aren't the Raptor drives just based on PATA, but have 10k rpm speeds?

The initial raptors were indeed using a pata circuitboard, with a pata-sata bridge chip involved. It basically didn't matter. All modern raptors are based on native sata designs. I use a 74 gig for boot, and a second 74 for my games drive, and it certainly makes a noticeable difference vs my older setups. The seek time on the raptors is where they have most of their advantage right now.

Btw, I'd avoid raid0 for anything that doesnt need massive throughput, like video editing. It's relatively pointless. any failure on either drive, and you'll have problems. I recommend a 2 disk setup like I just mentioned. Boot, and games... and if you can swing a third drive (don't have to be raptors, this is just general advice)... if you can swing a third drive, put your swap space on the outter  edge of the drive (by formatting it and forcing the swap space to a fixed size on the drive while nothing else has been copied over)... that allows you to access system files, game data files, and you swap space simultaneously, and it makes for a very pleasant gaming experience. And putting the swap on the outer edge, maximizes throughput through the swap... although putting it dead in the middle of the drive would minimize seek time if you also use the drive for other things during gaming. But if the drive idles except for swap activity during games, the heads on most drives usually park... closest to the outer edge if they're needed.

Note that if you're using pata drives, unless you have three channels, you wont get the full effect, since the master/slave setups share bandwidth when 2 drives are attached to a channel. I definitely recommend sata anyways, for the additional signal integrity and smaller cables... sata drives do crc checking on both the command signalling and the data... pata drives don't. They only check either command signalling, or data... (I'm sorry, I cannot remember which at this moment, someone feel free to pop in and correct/update me here, I dont have time right now, heading to work)... and the smaller cables are much better for airflow anyways.

All this said, I'm holding off buying any more drives if I can.. I may cave and buy one additional 400 gig for additional storage, but I'm trying not to. Solid state drives are starting to appear on the laptop market, and they'll be trickling down to us in various formats soon.

Alternatively, if you must have raid.. I'd recommend raid1... you do lose half the space, but you get nice reliability in return.... and if you have a fairly smart raid controller ( I think the nvidia controllers are capable of this), it will split the read operations up between the drives... which will let the raid match a raid0 in terms of read bandwidth.. which for gaming, is what you need.. you rarely write large amounts of data during gaming.

The idea with the usb hubs is an interesting one. If you check around, you can get some nice ones (I've seen industrial grade metal chassis, etc). Not sure how one would go about replacing one... would that require reloading the entire 'drive'  ?

Atomic

oh yeah. check out www.storagereview.net for tons and tons of good solid info on drives of all kinds.

edit: of course you can run it single... am I reading that question wrong?
1392  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: My Vista Experience on: March 20, 2007, 12:58:11 PM
All this is just reinforcing my determination to forge the stream over to the linux side, rather than be forced to shell out even more cash for microsoft OS upgrades. I'll admit, win xp has been a really good experience for me, and I'll probably use it for a while longer, but I'm getting tired of shelling out the smackers every couple of years for a brand new buggy product. Which XP was as well, at release.. I waited until SP2 was out to make the switch from win2000.

It also irks me that they've yanked a lot of the promised features from vista, like the new windows file system, in order to push it out the door.

The only thing really holding me back at this point, is games, and general laziness in not wanting to go through all the work of swapping over.

Also, the idea of product activation, and 'software lease' in general, make me want to puke. It's the longest running excuse for pushing bugged product out the door I've ever seen. Think how bad life would be if auto-manufacturers were allowed to put cars on the street with the same quality level at release. Yeah, the new 2007 xxx is an awesome car... and we're working to get the airbag's functioning.. hopefully we can include it in the first service pack...

Bleah.

Sad to hear about ASUS not wanting to support a 1 year old product. That's shameful. How hard could it be to write  a vista driver for an nvidia chipset based motherboard? And a recent one at that? To be honest I wonder whether the lack of support is even legal? Definitely making note of this, as I had a great deal of respect for Asus as a company, until I read this...

I know the complete package (hardware + software) is an incredibly complicated beast to balance and tweak and get running correctly, from a manufacturing/programming standpoint, but it's getting beyond ridiculous what a company will let slide in order to get product on the shelves.

Atomic

Severe problems under XP? My motherboard is at least as old as that (an msi k8n neo4 platinum (nforce 4 ultra based)), and runs flawlessly under XP... that's strange.
1393  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Whoops! Looks like I need a new monitor. (funny story) on: March 20, 2007, 12:29:56 PM
Just for clarity here, the DVI-I connector, includes both the digital video interface, as well as some pins that carry analog vga signal... the 'converter' simply connects the analog pins to a normal vga connector, at which point you simply attach a vga cable and you're good to go. There's also a "DVI-D" which is digital only. Far less common. But if you get one, there won't be any converting going on biggrin

All this is assuming the antibiotics and the bacteria havent gotten into an escalated argument inside my brainpan, with me being the temporary loser. Everything's a little fuzzy right now, so be gentle if I've made an error in terminology here biggrin

Atomic
1394  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 18, 2007, 12:22:49 AM
Mushkin is a good name for memory. Patriot I dont know. I tend to buy 'name' ram, but you dont necessarily gotta buy the most expensive stuff available. For instance, lately, Corsair 'value select' ram has been looking mighty tastey. Basically, figure out what you need the ram to run at optimally, timings and total capacity, and then find something you're comfy with. For instance, can you fill all four slots on the board without degrading performance? I think you can, with the core2 chipsets and/or ddr2, but I'm not sure. What timings are best? 4-4-4-12? 5-5-5-12? If you were buying an athlon64 with ddr ram, I could tell you to shoot for something like 2-2-2-7 for optimal ram performance, and only use 2 sticks in a dual channel setup.. but with core2, I dont have the numbers.

Can anyone chime in on this? Will he be able to use all four dimms without issues? What timings are optimal and with which chipsets?

Atomic
1395  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 17, 2007, 11:58:11 PM
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2869&p=2

displays the differences between the different nvidia 680/650 chipsets, if you're insterested.

Atomic
1396  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 17, 2007, 11:53:51 PM
The motherboard looks like a good choice. I'm big on passively cooling the board these days, and MSI makes solid hardware. the 650i chipset looks like a good compromise... you get a full 16x slot for single card video, and 8x8 (minimal performance hit) if you decide to buy a second card and enable SLI... if not you get to use the second 16x slot in 4x mode... there are some nice raid controllers that will fit that... or possibly a physics processor... etc.

outta curiousity on the ram... what OS will you be running? should you be considering 4 gigs instead of 2?

Atomic

PS: If you haven't already read it (I'm going through it thoroughly as I write this), anandtech covered this board... http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2946  ... so you'll probably be interested in checking that out.
1397  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 15, 2007, 08:17:16 PM
On that note, I'm out of the house. Errands, etc.

Good luck with your choices!

Atomic
1398  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 15, 2007, 08:11:29 PM
Here's an idea.

If you're not going to reuse your old setup, you could consider one of the remaining socket 939 boards on the market. Pop in a nice dual core chip, and you could reuse your memory, which would save you some money. An higher end s939 cpu will give you approx the same performance as a slower speed core2 duo cpu... not sure how the prices would compare, but you'd get off without having to buy new memory.

The new ddr-2 based systems arent really that much faster because of the ram, they're faster because of the new cpu's... although memory performance is slowly increasing the gap as ddr-2 gets faster and the cpu's start needing more ram bandwidth.

Just an idea... I'd been considering upgrading to a dual core s939 chip myself as a sort of 'get me by' upgrade. You'd need a motherboard too, but the s939 boards are getting pretty cheap. *goes to check newegg*

Atomic
1399  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 15, 2007, 07:55:44 PM
Well... intel is already cutting prices in prep for barcelona... so I guess that's a judgement call to buy now vs buying later.

The market is like the sea... stuff washes up on shore over time, at high prices... then slowly gets sucked back out to sea (with the price dropping over time), until it disappears later on.

The core2 duo stuffs are coming down nicely in price... because of time, and because barcelona is coming soon. If they can encourage people to buy core2 duo now, those people will be less likely to buy barcelona later this year, so to speak. A double win.

For 500$, you got a reasonable upgrade, I'd think.  Solid basics. Decent chip, 2 gigs of ram. And in all likelyhood, barcelona wont actually outperform core2 (quad)... it might achieve parity...

Right now, quad core cpu setups are too expensive for my blood. I personally want to see what barcelona looks like when it lands.. it's a single chip native quad core solution, with a new L3 cache shared between the cores... but the architecture for the chip isn't changing, so the performance per core per clockcycle wont change much.

in your case, you're looking at a dual core cpu setup.. and right now, the core2 duo is the best performer on the market. You've got a reasonable 500$ upgrade there.. so the question is, do you want to wait for a while longer, and see what washes up on shore later, or do you want to push that button now?

Atomic

PS: You already got the graphics card.. that makes things easier.. me, I 'need' a new card too biggrin
1400  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need Advice on this CPU/MOBO/RAM Combo ASAP on: March 15, 2007, 07:27:15 PM
See my edit above. If you're currently using a socket 754 athlon64 3000+ based system, that core2 duo will be nice upgrade.

Atomic

PS: My current ugprade plan is to 'wait and see' on the new barcelona cpu's from AMD
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