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1321  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Start-up sequence questions? on: November 04, 2007, 04:44:00 PM
Part of Windows Messenger runs as a service in the background. It is a common thing to disable that service in order to secure a system. You might try having it run manually instead.

Atomic
1322  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Random Lockup issues on: November 04, 2007, 02:35:45 AM
I prefer PC Power and Cooling, or Seasonic, if you end up going that route. PCP&C, if you need absolutely quality, and Seasonic, which is still stellar, and makes for some VERY quiet psu's.

www.silentpcreview.com

I'm sure there are other good brands out there, but those two I have absolutely no qualms about recommending.

PCP&C is a bit expensive though.

Atomic

PS: You didnt say, but do you get any other types of errors like the bluescreen or random rebooting? Any video artifacting? Is the system overclocked, perhaps? If so, try setting everything to default, etc.

Freezes moving large files, eh? Hmm...
1323  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Random Lockup issues on: November 04, 2007, 01:22:46 AM
1st and foremost. Before spending money, disassembling, or otherwise, download yourself a copy of either memtest86+, or, even more comprehensive, is a copy of the ultimate boot cd, which also contains memtest86+, and run it. Preferably an overnight test. This will verify whether you've got a problem with your memory, of which you are describing symptoms (also symptoms of a bad psu, but that comes later. memory testing is FREE, and requires almost no labor smile )

http://www.memtest.org/

http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/

Respectively.

After that, if the memory test seems to be coming back clean, you might try to beg/borrow/steal a loaner PSU to see if that fixes the problem.

You're saying it randomly locks up, but only when you're NOT playing games? That's really really odd.

Another thing you can do is a full disassembly/reassembly. Again free, a little bit of effort. don't have to remove the motherboard/cpu/etc, just pull the cards, drive cables, etc, clean everything, and rebuild from there. This can 'cure' a lot of ills. You might also pull, clean, reseat the ram.

Did the problems occur before you repasted? Any other symptoms than lockups? bluescreen? spontaneous reboot? <-- again, memory/psu possibility.

Reminder to do a thorough virus/malware/spyware scan. I prefer AVG antivirus because it's available as a free version for personal usage, as well as recently starting using Prevx 2.0 to help spot  malware, in addition to Spybot Search and Destroy, and Adaware SE, for spyware. And I use CCleaner for general cleanup and housekeeping. (which I could do by hand, but ccleaner is easier smile )

Atomic
1324  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: PAR Files on: November 03, 2007, 05:59:25 AM
I used to use SmartPAR, back in my usenet days. It seems to have moved here...

http://www.vcdhelp.us/smartpar/

Atomic

Note the tutorial links...
1325  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Monitor or Graphic's card? on: November 01, 2007, 09:24:51 PM
Budget? I'm really happy with my gateway 20" lcd widescreen... 1680x1050 is a nice comfy resolution, easy for midrange video cards to drive at full speed for games, these days. And it has a plethora of different inputs... dvi, vga, s-vhs, composite, component. (got my dvd player hooked to it via s-vhs, and it makes for a very nice combo)

Samsung and NEC both manufacture their own panels, and have really good quality.

Atomic
1326  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Monitor or Graphic's card? on: November 01, 2007, 08:31:28 PM
Smells like the internal psu is about to go boom. Seen it before.

Could be cheap enough to fix, like fixing a tv, but... given the price of decent lcd panels these days, you may be better off ditching it.

Definitely better for your eyes (no refresh strobe to give you a headache)

Atomic

Go ahead and do something about it. If it goes boom while attached to the card, bad things might happen.
1327  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: vista-programs not showing up in start menu on: October 30, 2007, 09:47:38 PM
Don't use Vista, but in XP it would likely be the personalization settings. One of them is to hide unused programs after a while. It's available via the start menu properties.

Atomic
1328  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Plug in USB... Reboot... on: October 30, 2007, 05:12:50 AM
Onboard usb ports, in my experience, have issues with having enough power available, and/or you might be running into an incompatibility issue, although you did say 'any' usb devices, which makes me think it's more likely a power problem. It's possible that the power drain on the onboard usb, is enough to trip other circuits internally, causing the reboot. Mind you, it of course SHOULDNT do this, but that's my current train of thought. It's interesting you can plug the mouse in, and not have problems.

Two things. One, from my experience working for xxxxxx (to protect myself from lawsuits). We were manufacturing a little wireless box, that let you plug a regular telephone in, and enjoy wireless pots, anywhere you had infrastructure setup. Which is kinda neat. However, the issue we ran into testing them, was that if you plugged in a telephone, or testbed, into the phone line, and then tried to boot the device, it wouldn't boot correctly.. because the brainiacs had forgotten to account for the drain of the telephone/testbed, and it's effects on the powerup on the device. Your's truly had to explain to them why they were having a problem. Mind you, I'd call this a product defect, since anytime a customer had a power interruption, and the device tried to reboot, they'd have been forced to unplug the phone, let the device power up, and then plug it back in. But anyways, that's not relevant.

The whole point was, that's the sort of issue you may be running into. Heck, it may be unique to your particular motherboard, I couldn't tell you without having several samples to test.

Here's another example. My current motherboard... if I plug in my usb headset directly to the front ports, which are hooked up internally via usb headers to the board... it won't boot correctly. If it's already up and running it's fine, but the first time you power cycle the machine, you have to unplug the usb headset, or the machine hangs on boot, every single time.

If I attach it to the usb header on my lcd panel, which passes through to one of the headers on the back panel of the motherboard... no problems.

My mom's wireless mouse/keyboard don't receive enough power from her onboard usb ports to function correctly... I was forced to attach them to a fortunately already owned usb pci card, where they function perfectly. (well, as perfectly as they're capable of... she gets regular messages that the wireless signal strength is too low, even though the keyboard/mouse are literally next to transceiver pod)

Anyways, that may be what your problem is. If you have a usb card, or a powered hub, you might try plugging that in first, and then plug your devices into the (powered) hub/ usb pci card.

Atomic
1329  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Rediscovering MYTHOS! on: October 29, 2007, 06:37:41 AM

Quote from: TheAtomicKid on October 28, 2007, 12:12:03 AM

PS: Looks pretty nice for a free game. Better than dungeonrunners, imo.

I gotta take it back. I just fired up dungeonrunners again to check it out, and it's looking much better than when I started puttering with it. I'd say graphics are close to equivalent, though I think I like the overall setup with mythos better.

You know, it's too bad they're both.. like.. free. Kinda hard to be harsh on something that doesnt (at least currently) cost anything to play.

Atomic
1330  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Rediscovering MYTHOS! on: October 28, 2007, 12:12:03 AM
Thankyou for reminding me of this one. I'd received a beta invite a while back, but passed over it as I was doing other things at the time. The screenshots and the journal have picqued my interest again. Account setup, and downloading the client install currently.

Atomic smile

PS: Looks pretty nice for a free game. Better than dungeonrunners, imo.
1331  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: DNF Goes Gold!!! on: October 27, 2007, 07:50:43 AM
Instead of beating the dead horse, perhaps we should beat Paulbot WITH said dead horse... smile

And for the record, I won't believe it until I see the box on the shelf smile

Atomic
1332  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: MechWarrior Intellectual Property on: October 27, 2007, 07:47:49 AM
http://www.iswars.com/

You might try there to get your fix. I haven't actually set it up yet myself, but they've been working HARD at it for quite a while. I get constant updates from the mailing list.

Alas, IS3025 (another multiplayer effort), doesn't seem to have panned out into anything solid (yet? *hopes*)

Atomic

PS: If you try it out, please post back here with your experiences. I'd be curious to hear some evaluations of it.
1333  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: H-Gate London Demo.....Can we talk? on: October 22, 2007, 03:24:33 AM
This was definitely an annoying read...

http://www.firingsquad.com/news/newsarticle.asp?searchid=17938

Just because they put it in the EULA doesnt make it right... legal, maybe, but still offensive.

Heck, I remember a long time back, when the EULA for Juno (free mail service)got updated to include the ability for them to use your spare cpu cycles, by requiring you to allow your machine to access the net, and to leave it on, even when you weren't using it. I believe that was the day I swapped my mom over to Netzero, iirc.

In any case, this is definitely disheartening to see. I don't mind the idea of in-game ads, but this is ridiculous. What's next, we reserve the right to scan your emails so we can target our advertisements better? When does it end?

Atomic

PS: If I'm paying for an elite account, do I still have to put up with the in-game ads? Do you still scan my system? Etc.

EXTREMELY annoyed. May be a deal-breaker for me.
1334  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: H-Gate London Demo.....Can we talk? on: October 21, 2007, 03:45:21 PM

Quote from: Blackjack on October 21, 2007, 01:18:58 PM


fwiw, the Diablo demo was 2 brown, dark, dingy, repetitive (albeit randomizing) dungeons under Tristam. Diablo II's demo and beta were the underwhelming caves and and featureless grassy plains of Act I (and I remember being aghast that it was still basically a 640X480 game that actually seemed to look worse than Diablo I). So I really don't think the former Blizzard North has a reputation for demos that visually blow you away.  saywhat Maybe it *should* blow you away, maybe it's more important now that Flagship's whole future relies on this game.


For the record, and getting slightly off-topic here... the reason diablo2 looked worse than the original, is that blizzard used really crappy resolution on the textures for the game, to save space on the discs. Otherwise the game wouldnt have fit on the three cd's it originally came on. Personally, I hated that particular design decision. It's extremely replayable and fun, within the limitations it's set for itself, but I no longer play it, because it looks like utter crap these days, even playing in a window. Everything's fuzzy.

Atomic
1335  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: System builder questions (should I buy this?) on: October 21, 2007, 01:11:49 AM
Good solid basics there. Overclock it if you think it's necessary.

Thought: Currently, faster, dual core cpu's are better for gaming. But having quad-core is starting to realize actual advantages (the new unreal engine makes good use of quad core, if I'm not mistaken, other games will start to follow the trend over the next year or two)

So the question is.. do you intend to upgrade again in the next year or two? mebbe the cpu? if so, perhaps a higher speed dual core cpu might be the better choice. Or perhaps not, if you can get that combo to stabilize at or around 3.2 ghz.

To be honest, I'm not sure how I myself would answer this question at the moment. And I'm due for upgrades, just havent had the spare money.

You also might wait 2 months or so, for the xmas season. Phenom will be on the streets, as well as price cuts, sales, etc.

Atomic
1336  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: H-Gate London Demo.....Can we talk? on: October 19, 2007, 05:53:51 PM
I'd say it'll end up being good, in much the same way DiabloII ended up being good. Random dungeons, the loot system, (and loot runs)...

aka, the continuing quest to build the bigger better character.

I thought the texturing was pretty good, myself. Not seeing any glaring mismatch of edges, etc. Camera passed through a wall once while in third person mode, that was about it.

Now admittedly, I find the whole gamma thing a tad annoying. If you set it like they want you to set it, it's annoyingly dark and hard to see. After setting mine at or about the 50% mark, I was much happier, though it does take away from the atmosphere a bit. But for that 'style' of game, the atmosphere is annoying after the first few minutes. (at least to me)

Atomic
1337  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: H-Gate London Demo.....Can we talk? on: October 19, 2007, 04:33:14 AM
Anyone else having trouble with the demo? I get to the covent garden steam tunnels or whatever they are, past the street area, and then I simply can't proceed. Like the designers didnt put in the exit or something. There's a generator looking thing/room, but it's not interactible.

Atomic
1338  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: H-Gate London Demo.....Can we talk? on: October 18, 2007, 08:21:13 PM
Thanks KD, much faster than the original link for me.

Atomic
1339  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: 2.1 speakers on: October 17, 2007, 05:53:32 AM
Just wait til your neighbors start beating on your door at 4am smile

Atomic
1340  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Good headset for PC Gaming? on: October 15, 2007, 04:06:24 PM
Umm. Cannot make a product recommendation in that category/price range. No experience. Just remember, you get what you pay for (minus profit, unspoken but always there).

Plantronics makes several varieties of both usb and 'normal' headsets, and they've been making telephony headsets of different types for YEARS, starting in the office space. I'd say just look over their stuff and see if something makes you happy.

Atomic
1341  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Good headset for PC Gaming? on: October 15, 2007, 01:03:54 AM
The advantage to getting a seperate headset, is that you have two audio sources. one is your sound card, generally sending to your speakers, and the other is your headset, which can be fed via usb connection, rather than a soundcard.

the advantage to this is you have crystal clear voice comms, even when the game starts getting loud/intrusive, due to that huge raid/massive pvp battle, or because you turned the sound waaaaay up so you can't hear your little brother beating on your door, etc.

the disadvantage is when you get a game with built in voice software, that DOESNT understand it might be on a seperate device from the soundcard.

But, for instance, you can easily setup teamspeak to only use the usb headset for input/output, and let the game do it's normal thing via the soundcard.

I use a plantronics headset, and it's very very nice, imo. No echo on the mic, doesnt pick up breathing noises/wind/etc.

I actually have the DSP500's, but these are the most similar to mine, from newegg, at the moment. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826265014

Atomic

1342  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: explain this one on: October 15, 2007, 12:53:02 AM
Are the firewall/laptop preconfigured to allow the laptop through the firewall via say, a dmz setting? Perhaps the router is thinking the 360 is your laptop due to the shared connection, and is treating it that way?

Atomic

edit: you could put a vidcap card/usb/firewire piece on the laptop, and feed the xbox video out, into that, and do it that way.
1343  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Wireless router advice on: October 15, 2007, 12:50:17 AM
I've been extremely pleased with my dgl-4300 (dlink), however, the wireless isn't the strongest in the world. I use mine strictly in wired mode these days anyways, due to security concerns, although my new location inside the equivalent of a faraday cage would probably keep me secure against all but the most determined attempts. Anyways, the router performs extremely well, but the wireless signal isn't the strongest in the world. I guess it depends on what's important to you... you could always upgrade antennae to increase reception...

... but the firewall/nat and the gaming optimizations are really nice.

Atomic
1344  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: 2.1 speakers on: October 15, 2007, 12:24:07 AM
I personally have been using the klipsch promedia 2.1's for... a while now. Not sure exactly. They are VERY nice 2.1 speakers, with good solid base, and good definition. They may be a bit 'bright' for pure music listening, but for gaming, or movies/anime, they're fantastic. And they don't take up half your room, either.

Caveat. If you read around the web, you'll find several people complaining that the control pod either broke, or is delicate. It's definitely delicate. I've been extremely gentle with mine (fore-warned is fore-armed, or something like that), and I can definitely tell that, if I hadn't, I'd be replacing mine, as even with care, mine is still trying to come loose on me.

That said, I definitely recommend the speakers, though I do wish klipsch would make that control pod a little sturdier. The part that's the problem, is the two volume controls, on mine at least, are becoming a little fragile, like they want to come loose inside the housing. I sometimes get a little static changing the volume, but it goes away once I get it settled where I want it.

The reason I chose these in particular, is that there are no extra 'frills' on them. No fancy digitial gadgets, no remote control. All the money went straight to the speakers, and Klipsch has ton's of experience in designing them. And it shows.

Oh yeah, there's enough power in those suckers to get your neighbors up in arms. 200 watts in a 2.1 system will definitely shake the walls. Did I mention I live in the equivalent of a bunker? Filled cinderblock and concrete construction, with wire mesh reinforce on the surfaces... looks like stucco a bit. biggrin

Atomic
1345  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Which motherboard to get nowadays????? on: October 12, 2007, 08:32:37 PM
Right now, these days, ddr3 doesnt really make that much of a performance edge. In the future it will, as cpu's start to need more bandwidth from the memory, etc.

The difference is there, but so far I've only seen a very few percent advantage... 3% perhaps?

Now admittedly, you can buy ddr3 now, and carry it over to another board in the future... assuming your ram is still fast enough that you're happy using it.

Me, I've come to the conclusion that upgrading a system, generally involves mb, cpu, and ram, all at the same time. And tbh, I'll be buying future systems with this in mind. The tech is changing so quickly these days that... any ideas of carrying parts over to another rig later on... it's doable, but... the odds are good there will be new parts on the market that you'll want instead.

If you buy mb/cpu/ram, and treat it as a 'single item'.. with the possible exception of a cpu upgrade or ADDING ram later, imo you're better off. Just allow for the fact that you'll be spending more cash at that one point in time, instead of smaller purchases, more often, as you upgrade individual pieces.

All that said, relating to the original question. My recommendation would be a non-bleeding edge core2duo setup, probably based on the p965 chipset to reduce costs a bit (there's a lot of choices available here. p965, p975, p35, x38, etc.

If cost is more of a concern, and you dont need the greatest possible performance, you could also look into an amd based setup. I myself keep eyeing a particular nvidia 590 based mb, and a couple different cpu choices. (the new 5000+ black edition, based on a new 65nm process), or else an x2/opteron at 2.8 ghz. The 3.2 ghz x2 is also tempting, just for the convenience of dropping it in and not having to overclock.

I'd say your best bet, is to set yourself a budget, and then see what you can 'fit' into your budget. then decide if that makes you happy. if not, add some budget, etc, until you get what you want. That's what I'm doing, and my budget is... 'around 500$', but flexible. That'll get me a decent setup, whichever way I decide to swing.

Also food for thought, is the fact that the new phenom based amd hardware, ought to be hitting the streets around christmas, so you might want to hold off a bit for that. The question is, would you be better off with a more refined 'current' hardware, or with a newer, less refined, phenom setup.

Atomic

PS: Currently, clock for clock, advantage is still with intel. AMD can compete up until intel hits about 2.4-2.5 ghz, at which point, amd runs out of room. (3.2ghz amd is about equal to 2.4 ghz intel, give or take... I may be being a little generous here, but not too much, methink)

But intel also tends to be more expensive. Your mileage may vary.
1346  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Which motherboard to get nowadays????? on: October 03, 2007, 08:20:11 PM
I agree. In my opinion, the concept of SLI is somewhat flawed. The idea behind it was, you buy one card, and then, a few months later, when you want a performance upgrade, you buy a second card.

But, by the time you're ready to buy another card... a new product release has gone out, so you're stuck with buying another 'old' card, or just upgrading your original.

At the highest of the high end, you can buy two cards... and also, if you need more performance from a passive setup (silent gaming anyone?)...

but for joe average.... I'm not so sure it's actually a good deal. It's just my opinion though.

Atomic

All that said, the SLI and Crossfire capable chipsets tend to be on the high end/expensive series motherboards... which also offer the best in options/connectivity, high quality parts (solid capacitors anyone?), etc. I'd just have to think more than twice, before considering actually using it with dual cards.
1347  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Which motherboard to get nowadays????? on: September 30, 2007, 10:39:06 AM
PS: Intel chipset means SLI is a nono... or if it does, they're gonna be new at it. You need something with nvidia written on the side, unless you really meant crossfire.

Atomic
1348  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Which motherboard to get nowadays????? on: September 30, 2007, 10:26:44 AM
If you like that, and it's hard not to, note that newegg has several variants listed. Hint: Compare the memory spec's.

Atomic
1349  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Argh! New PSP, WTF is this Black Dot?? on: September 08, 2007, 11:16:03 PM
Oh, as for the software apps. You of course wont be able to run them directly, but... the psp can playback some movie formats, yes? Hunt around, there are some video's available. if not, could always make your own on your pc with something like fraps.

Atomic
1350  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Argh! New PSP, WTF is this Black Dot?? on: September 08, 2007, 11:13:11 PM
That's right, ah'm yo daddy smile

http://www.wikihow.com/Fix-a-Stuck-Pixel-on-an-LCD-Monitor

No warranty, be careful, your mileage may vary, and batteries not included. biggrin

Atomic
1351  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Tabula Rasa beta on: September 07, 2007, 10:35:48 AM
Personally I feel it has potential, although they'll have to work at it. Big guilds could take this one a long ways towards success, if they get interested enough.

Atomic
1352  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: NCSoft freaking rocks. on: September 07, 2007, 09:24:41 AM
When you register the second cd key (for city of villains) you have the option to merge it with your first (heroes), so you end up with a single account with access to both games, and some minor bonuses vs a single game account. (you get more slots for characters, but not as many slots as two full accounts would give you). Can't remember specifically what else comes with. Somehow I screwed up mine, and ended up with two separate accounts. Quite annoying. But the theory is sound. One account, one fee, two games... but you can only play one at a time biggrin (1 login at a time, just like normal games)

Atomic
1353  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Tabula Rasa beta on: September 06, 2007, 09:22:45 PM
It plays fine on my machine. 2.2 Ghz Athlon 64 (single core), 1 gig memory, 8800gts/320. <-- plotting and scheming for upgrades, but frankly, I'm buying a new television first biggrin

Atomic
1354  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: New vid card? What's the bang for the buck on: August 26, 2007, 10:51:24 AM
Is BTX, and now we know.

Atomic
1355  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Internet explorer problems... on: August 25, 2007, 05:29:53 AM
http://www.lavasoftusa.com/products/ad_aware_free.php?PHPSESSID=b686b2df55ca501749d888e18c7b5f45

http://www.safer-networking.org/

http://info.prevx.com/downloadprevx2.asp

Of these, Spybot is completely non-commercial, I trust it more than Adaware, simply due to that.

Prevx is a new find for me. I like the way their free trial works... (it's free til it spots malware... from there, you have 30 days)

Start with these, and see what they find?

Atomic

You also might try HijackThis, if you're familiar with how to use it. It's widely regarded as a good tool. http://www.spywareinfo.com/~merijn/programs.php

... or it could just be a software issue... biggrin
1356  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Bioshock - SecuROM installing a RootKit (even the demo does it) on: August 24, 2007, 10:20:04 PM
Last time was a couple months back, I guess? It's not something I hunt for everyday, though I do keep two anti-spyware packages installed. Adaware-SE, and Spybot Search and Destroy.

I've been a little slack about using spybot. I had to use adaware for a work-at-home job I was considering a while back, and it's so easy to update and use that I sorta slid on using spybot too.

Bad me, might have spotted my little problem a lot sooner.

I actually spotted my malware manually. It installed itself as a windows service (FYL)... path to the file (via properties of the service) led me back to my temp folder when I got curious about it.

Here's the readout from prevx, which is about the only hit I could get back from google...

http://spywarefiles.prevx.com/RRHAAF33515633/CZPUCYC.EXE.html

Atomic
1357  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Bioshock - SecuROM installing a RootKit (even the demo does it) on: August 24, 2007, 10:11:50 PM
I'd like to throw in my .0187 after taxes here. I've had the bioshock steam demo installed for... 3-4 days? now? Pretty much since the first day. As far as I can tell, it hasn't installed securerom, or any other rootkit type software that I can find. I went over the system thoroughly after reading about this issue. Did find a piece of trojan malware though... with absolutely no clue how it managed to get itself onto the system. (I'm extremely careful in my surfing habits, antivirus, antispyware, etc.)

Atomic

It does seem kinda silly for them to distribute it with the demo. You WANT people to distribute the demo, etc.
1358  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: New vid card? What's the bang for the buck on: August 24, 2007, 09:26:18 PM
In a normally oriented case and motherboard, the card would take up the space for the slot it's in, as well as the one below it, not the one above it. The 'top' slot, is the one closest to the cpu, or at least that's always the way I've understood it. You're saying your card takes up the slot 'above' ? Between the slot it's in, and the cpu? ... nevermind. I'm just confused about your hardware.

What motherboard setup are you running, that this sucker doesnt fit?

Atomic
1359  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: New vid card? What's the bang for the buck on: August 24, 2007, 09:21:38 AM
By any chance is your system based on a BTX motherboard?

Atomic
1360  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: New vid card? What's the bang for the buck on: August 24, 2007, 06:31:56 AM
Having trouble picturing your problem. The card I thought you linked (the xfx 8800gts/320) is a double slot cooled standard 8800gts.

Yet you're claiming the card goes 'up' ? Confused.

Atomic
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