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1  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Blackjack's new gaming rig on: March 28, 2015, 08:12:20 PM
Motion sickness in gaming/vr is caused by the world not moving 'right' according to what your senses are telling you. Actually body head/inner ear vs display type stuff.

Better framerates CAN help, actually. It makes motion 'smoother', which helps your brain reconcile things.

It does sound like a nice system.

2  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Blackjack's new gaming rig on: March 28, 2015, 08:03:55 AM
Now of course that it's too late, I'll pop in here and remind you that I've postulated my 'system' on these forums a couple of times now.

I do build my own, and there's always an initial cash layout doing that kind of thing, because you can't start with just a video card...

but once you get started, you can budget maybe 500$ a year for upgrades... and as long as you remember to actually update different bits... storage one year, gpu the next, mobo/cpu/ram the third, give or take... if you remember to actually do it, your system doesnt fall too far behind the tech curve.

And, of course, you're not paying for it all at once, and it hurts less.

3  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Occasional crash/drop to desktop from games SOLUTION on: March 26, 2015, 06:55:34 AM
Nine days and counting. No drops to desktop. It's not really a fix, per se, since all you're doing is disabling something... but it does stop the crashing.

Anyone else want to report their success, or lack thereof?

4  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Occasional crash/drop to desktop from games SOLUTION on: March 17, 2015, 07:49:24 PM
Technically, it COULD be a psu issue, but I sincerely doubt it. Right now I'm just keeping an eye out for further dropouts... so far, its been rock stable since the 'fix'.

5  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Display driver NVIDIA Windows Kernel Mode Driver stopped responding... on: March 17, 2015, 08:11:20 AM
Started a new forum thread regarding a possible solution for problems like this one...

6  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Occasional crash/drop to desktop from games SOLUTION on: March 17, 2015, 07:56:54 AM
Ok, starting a new thread for this because it's on the bottom of another thread that frankly will disappear from the forums once that problem gets resolved.

Whilst browsing around the other day regarding the display driver uninstaller, programmed by Ghislain Harvey, aka Wagnard on the Guru3d forums...

aka this one, not driver sweeper...

You may or may not find the software handy. Nvidia at least offers a 'clean install' function these days which seems to work pretty well.

But I digress.

The discover I made whilst browsing around, was I came across a discussion thread regarding... you guessed it... display drivers, the uninstaller, and crashing etc... and buried in the thread was info about how the onboard audio controller... on the gpu... aka the one that feeds the audio data to the hdmi port so you can have your sound come out through a tv/onboard speakers... might be conflicting with the gpu itself. err.. basically.

Anyways, the suggested 'fix' is to disable the onboard device... which is tricky, since it doesnt say 'nvidia hdmi audio' or anything like that.

I went ahead and experimented with the fix since I dont actually use hdmi on this rig atm and...

So far, no crashing to desktop since enabling the fix, or rather disabling, the extra audio controller.

In windows 7, you do it by going to the control panel/device manager, scroll down to system devices, and finding your audio controller(s)... you should have two of them. you might have more. If you have one, it's good odds you either don't have one on your gpu, or you are actually using the one you do have, so don't disable it biggrin

Once you find the controllers, you'll have to disable/enable them one at a time, check the properties until you find the one that shares resources with your gpu... pci slot # is a giveaway, until you figure out which one does NOT cut out your system sound when you turn it off. Once you figure out which one, leave that one disabled, make sure the rest of your system sound is working properly, and keep track for a little bit to see if your crashing problem goes away, or at least gets better.

Here's the thread I was reading...

Note the check for shared resources...

and please remember to disable from the system devices area first, as it makes other entries up the chain, disappear, since the device is disabled. Much easier to just do that. I have an nvidia virtual audio device still present on mine even afterwards in the sound video and game controllers section, and disabled that as well, as an example. See link below for visual.

Don't remove anything, just disable, and you can always turn it back on if you happen to tag the wrong item.


PS: You can also check for resource conflicts with your other audio controller(s)... I read on yet another thread that the real problem is nvidia vs realtek, which is what most peoples on-motherboard sound solution ends up being... they're very common. This might or might not be causing issues. It probably wouldnt crash, since they made the audio drivers not part of the system process for windows somewhat recently... (vista? win7?) but it might show up as audio stuttering, crackling, static, etc.
7  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Well, the PC's got a new problem now.... on: March 16, 2015, 10:52:09 PM
Update: still no crashing... could this really be the big secret?

(updating with a link to my new forum thread regarding the crashing so people can find it for a while)

8  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Well, the PC's got a new problem now.... on: March 15, 2015, 07:59:20 AM
Oh btw. Was reading around on the Guru3d forum earlier regarding the driver uninstaller.

It seems that some of the crashing may be caused by the onboard sound controller on the gpu, which newer gpu's tend to have in order to feed sound to the hdmi port, might be conflicting with the gpu itself.

I disabled mine earlier and so far, no further crashing to desktop, although mine wasn't that frequent, and it's only been a few hours.

9  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Well, the PC's got a new problem now.... on: March 15, 2015, 07:55:54 AM
I didnt realize that about win7 home either... premium, right? *googles a bit*

Damn, he's tellin ya the truth....

Ahem... Star Citizen is 64bit, I might mention. And I'm suddenly glad I 'only' have 16GB ram installed.

10  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Well, the PC's got a new problem now.... on: March 12, 2015, 07:10:05 AM
If you're confident he's got it nailed, then at least it's not world ending. Get you a replacement hdd, and transfer as much crap over as you can before it dies on you.

If you wish to stick with an hdd, I'd recommend a 2TB 'black' if you want more space. If you want a little bit faster you could go with a 1TB velociraptor, though in the face of modern ssd's, the velociraptor has kind of lost its place in the world.

You could also get a 1TB ssd as the replacement... Sandisk Extreme Pro comes to mind. Samsung 850 Pro I'm less enthused about, even with the new 3d nand.

Guess it depends on money, and whether you actually want more storage, or faster, or what.

11  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Media player software recommendations? on: March 12, 2015, 06:53:10 AM

Not end of story.

Not even close. biggrin


(I use the first when I just want to watch a media clip sitting at the desk... the second is for when I want to watch stuff from across the room... full screen interface, remote control, etc)
12  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Well, the PC's got a new problem now.... on: March 11, 2015, 06:00:06 AM
Please describe the exact hardware setup you're having problems with. new gpu still installed, I assume, but list it out for us.

Btw, one of your previous posts claimed Knightshade helped you build this sucker a few years back... and another in march commented you were returning from a four year-ish absence.

Four years out of a pc problem free isn't bad... and this could easily be a software thing... (malware, virus damage, etc)


PS: ahah! 2.5 years. But still, all may be well in the end.
13  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Display driver NVIDIA Windows Kernel Mode Driver stopped responding... on: March 05, 2015, 07:43:52 AM

Did you end up using the uninstaller program I linked?
* TheAtomicKid ponders
14  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: RAID 1 questions on: March 04, 2015, 07:42:27 AM
With raid1 it really shouldnt make much difference. Upon reading the article I see your concerns about the motherboard/on disk format issue.

One thing they dont mention is cpu cycles being sucked up by the raid, but I imagine that's only really a factor with things like raid5... for a simple mirror on a dedicated backup server, I definitely see the draw of the software raid...


(personally, I'm a big proponent of raid10... as long as you don't lose both sides of the mirror for any single drive component, a raid10 array can survive the loss of half its drives simultaneously and still come out on top)

(which is no better than raid1, but you can have larger volumes than a single disk can provide, assuming you have need for such...)
15  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Display driver NVIDIA Windows Kernel Mode Driver stopped responding... on: March 03, 2015, 09:09:36 PM

16  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: RAID 1 questions on: March 03, 2015, 07:26:21 AM
When you write to a raid1, you're pretty much writing to both drives instantly, so you'd pretty much have two backups as soon as you backed the mac up to it. With rsync, it would just involve an extra step, would it not? And it wouldnt gain you any extra storage space, since you need the 2nd drive to mirror the first anyways.

I'm failing to see why using rsync to mirror the drives in this case, would be the better idea.

Anyone else?

Btw, that's not really a 'safe' backup scenario... something can more easily happen to your raid device, which will no doubt stay on most of the time for convenience... if you want a safe backup, it needs to be 'offline'...

My fav for smaller stuff, is a usb drive stuffed in a pill bottle... you could up the scale to an ssd in an external storage case/usb3 for sheer convenience (and nand on ssd's tends to be higher grade than usb drives)

17  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Network Question on: March 03, 2015, 02:32:51 AM
Oh btw. Sticking your usb wireless puck/fob on the end of 3-6 feet of usb extension cable, so you can position the receiver for best results, is very nice. You can also use a ziptie to make a loop on some of them, or use one of those plastic hooks with stickytape on the base that they sell for hanging stuff on walls you dont want to drill into. Thus allowing you to hang the receiver if needed. (for best results, put the receiver in a position closest to a direct line through the wall(s) towards the router. Unless such a line happens to involve pipes, or electrical wires, or whatnot, hidden in the walls.. Those cause interference.

18  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Network Question on: March 02, 2015, 10:39:29 PM
 Brief advice, as my wireless kung-fu is only _maybe_ at the green belt level.

Make sure AES encryption is enabled for best data rates, and there should be an option for channel bonding (40 mhz) somewhere in there as well. Channel bonding SHOULD give you better data rates, but not necessarily. You'll have to test it.

Channel bonding, according to my memory, and the brief google results I came up with just now looking for info on which channels work best with each other (which I didnt manage to come up with... my memory is tickling me there) uses your base channel, and the adjacent channel, to increase data rates... so if you select channel 1, it will also, unless I've made a mistake here, use channel 2 as well.

I'm having trouble reading your image properly, but find a 'hole' in it two channels wide. Set your base channel to the first of the two, and test for best results.

general advice you may not need... don't mix radio types on the same spectrum... so all 802.11 a, or b, or g, or n. (pretty sure as long as all the 'g's are on 2.4, and all the 'n's are on 5.0, that should be fine, if you need to do something like that)

19  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Recommendations for PC Gameplay Recording Software on: January 28, 2015, 08:05:54 AM
If you happen to be using nvidia in your gpu, you can use the shadowplay function from their software.

Link posted for the lazy scaggers wot can't use google... biggrin

20  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need mp3 music software on: January 05, 2015, 06:47:10 AM
Might try foobar... I used to use it, once upon a time. Free, too. Used to be simpler... they've added a lot over time.

21  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Buying a new computer on: December 30, 2014, 05:13:00 AM
Going to post a follow-up to my own post here.

After writing my previous post, I went out and was digging around, and found info on the newish OCZ ARC100 drives... which I wouldn't normally consider, given OCZ's falling reputation with bait and switch nand, etc...


As I was digging around, I was reminded that OCZ was purchased by Toshiba sometime back... and the new ARC100 drives use the Barefoot 3 controller, which is actually quite excellent... anyone remember the OCZ Vector and Vector-150 drives? Those were particularly excellent performers, ESPECIALLY FOR SMALL FILE SIZES... aka excellent for a system drive. Anyways, they also use Toshiba nand...  64Gbit A19nm MLC NAND to be more precise...

... and judging by a couple of reviews from anandtech and thessdreview, the performance consistency apparently holds up really really well.

This isn't a recommend... but it is food for thought. Pricing is roughly equivalent with the MX100...  (slighty cheaper except for the smallest size)

22  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Buying a new computer on: December 29, 2014, 05:56:41 AM

Went up a little over the last few days... should have asked sooner smile

Those are generally considered the 'optimal' ssd atm. They're not quite the fastest, but they're really close. And they are VERY close to being the cheapest. Nice combination.

If I were buying an ssd tomorrow, it would either be one of those, or...

One of those... which DO rank amongst the very fastest...

Recommend at least 256 for the system drive (128GB units seem to have a tendency to be slower these days... it's due to how many channels are in use, and how many nand die are present on each channel, in the drive)

If you intend to install games to it, get a 512, or bigger... modern games eat up space like candy.

And remember... like hard drives, ssd's get slower as they get full

23  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Router Cooling? on: December 29, 2014, 05:50:33 AM
You didn't mention what kind of router... I'd be curious to know, I'm sure others would as well.

To answer the question... I wouldn't normally think they get that warm... err... normally. The power supply might, depending... my dlink's wall-wart was quite warm to the touch for a year or two before it failed, forcing me to source a replacement. (hint: radio shack has what you need) (the replacement does NOT get warm, which is reassuring)

Assuming there's nothing actually wrong with the router, and it does simply get warm to the touch... yes, a fan, or place it so it sits in the airflow for an a/c duct, or something. In particular, don't put it in a cramped space with poor airflow, like a closet/cabinet.

24  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: How much RAM should I have? on: December 04, 2014, 04:43:48 AM
For some reason, Google is resisting me, but I'm pretty sure, based on my memory, and based on eyeballing Marvel Heroes using process explorer while it was active, that gpu texture data, etc, is no longer duplicated in system memory. It did used to be the case, but I remember reading that one of the recent... I'm thinking dx11 or 12, dropped that... Marvel  is definitely not replicating the data... it's using several hundred megs on the card, and only 25 megs of 'system gpu memory'.

I do still recommend 8GB as a new 'minimum' for machines...

Let's face it... memory is relatively cheap these days... and if your machine has to hit the paging file or whatever they're calling it these days, it's gonna chug. Mind you it will chug less if that pagefile is on an ssd.

When your web browser alone can hit over a gig of memory in use, it's much better to have too much, rather than too little.

For the record, I've not had to use any sort of swap in years (ever since moving to 8GB on my machines)... and I don't miss it at all.


PS: Here's Process Explorer if you want to poke around with it...
25  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Computer Issues (Video Related) on: October 20, 2014, 09:14:13 PM
Any progress?

26  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Computer Issues (Video Related) on: October 15, 2014, 01:59:48 AM
Ahhh... I was misunderstanding something. I was under the impression that the computer was still functional, but after 5 hours or so, your problem would kick in, denying you the rather critical usage of the display.

Instead, what you have, is a computer you think is working, but the display doesn't work at all, thus it's a little hard to be certain.

Before proceeding below, if you can source a known-good monitor to test with, that would be ideal.. oh, many led/lcd tv's have dvi/hdmi inputs, so you could use one of those... you'll have to swap the tv's input via the remote, or the buttons on the side of the tv.

Assuming It's Still Not Working...

1: remove extra cards from the computer, unplug the drives. We want mobo, cpu, ram, video card. Nothing else plugged in. Will it boot/display? If it works now, proceed to adding stuff back in, one at a time. You may or may not experience your problem again... aka it's a working config that somehow got borked, but should otherwise work. Or at some point in the process, it will stop working again, and you'll have your culprit.

2: If it's still not working, pull the gpu, and you should have already pulled the wall power, but do so now, dont just turn it off, as the standby power will still be available to the board.
Once that is done, use the CMOS reset... or, optionally, pull the battery from the board for say, 5 minutes, and let it sit.

3: after performing step two, plug your gpu back in, and see if it will boot/display.

note: the reason for pulling the extra hardware, is to allow the bios to boot in the cleanest config possible. Not sure if your board still uses a normal bios, or UEFI (which i still have no experience with), but with a normal one, sometimes the pci-e addresses/reservations, get tangled. Thus you remove everything non-critical, and reset the board, which lets it reconfigure pretty much everything, back to basic settings.

27  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Computer Issues (Video Related) on: October 13, 2014, 11:45:46 PM
Ok, the easiest way to test is to load up games. They're the most stressful app most people can run on a home pc these days, at least barring things like bitcoin mining, folding, etc.

always happen after being on 5 hours? could mean anything... was it idle the entire time? gaming the entire time? mix?

chugging... interesting.

anyways, your other issues would seem to clear your monitor of any wrongdoing, at least for now.

psu already replaced... problem still exists.

hard drive? ssd?

if it were your memory, you SHOULD be getting bluescreens, etc. if it's my favorite problem, bad sata cables, the comp would do something similar to what you're describing... but it wouldnt necessarily wait five hours. (bad sata cables = bad connectors, usually, and that's a problem because almost all computers vibrate a tiny bit while running... the vibrations cause the connectors to drop signal temporarily... if it's a secondary drive or optical, it will disappear from the drive chain. if it's your boot drive, you enjoy a freeze. chugging occasionally happened as well.

Give us a hardware list? Need mobo, cpu, ram size and sticks, gpu you already listed.

It COULD be heat related. Try running with the side off of the box, and set a small desk fan to blow at the gpu (which will also blow on everything else, but the gpu is a good 'target')

28  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Computer Issues (Video Related) on: October 13, 2014, 08:24:56 PM
An ugly thought. You don't actually know that the monitor is 'good'... assuming you are using an panel and not an actual crt, there's a receiving circuit that could literally be intermittent.

Mind you this is thankfully a less likely scenario... can you leave the display attached to that 'other pc', and use a different one for a while?

If it were your power supply, you'd be having other issues as well. Lockups/freezes, gpu resetting, etc.

Give us details on the scenario where you end up with no signal? Happens while you're sitting at the box? After it goes idle/sleep? Boot?

29  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: So...those 900 series graphics cards on: October 01, 2014, 05:20:01 AM
I'm still rolling with my 780, no intention of upgrading this cycle... I run at 1920x1200, and it does fine for now. Mind you, I don't play competitive fps for anything... but for Neverwinter, World of Tanks, Marvel Online, and more, it does just fine. No speed issues at all.


ps: as for the 2Gb and 'more than 2GB' debate... I've been in favor of the 'more than 2GB' side of things for a while now. _most_ games don't need more than 2... but some do. And that number is not getting smaller.
30  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Headsets on: August 29, 2014, 06:26:27 AM
You could simply have a crappy, defective headset out of the box. Dunno. 15$ isn't much.

I have one of these... (got it on sale... seems like they were 59$ at the time, been a while)

for when I need either quiet time on the computer, or more optimally, for teamspeak, while the game continues to run through my speaker setup, which makes it really easy to make out what your teammates are saying over the game audio.

Mind you, my set appear to be 'retired', as they're not listed if you try to navigate through the store normally... I had to google for them... but alternatives are obviously available.

31  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / How to make a windows usb installation... on: June 16, 2014, 09:48:53 PM
This was instigated by Lee's post about a new gaming computer, and his complaints about his current system... but since it is not a direct response specifically to him, and since it might help quite a few people, I decided to give it its own thread...

Basically, this process is easy as pie, assuming you have a working computer :/

Pretty sure they include everything you need, step by step, to do this. An 8GB drive is frankly, cheaper than a cheap date, and the process is easy and straightforward.

The result is, instead of taking an hour-ish to reinstall via the optical drive... it takes a few minutes.

Not that anybody wants to reinstall windows, but I hope this helps people smile

32  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Switching from AMD to Intel processor - what do I need to think about? on: June 14, 2014, 07:08:01 AM

Use this until until you get your new/rebuilt machine in final trim, that way you're not continuously reactivating if you have driver issues, or other installation problems.


PS: Steam has a backup function
33  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: DNS Server? on: May 03, 2014, 10:02:09 PM
I used to use the ISP for my dns feed, but was always having on and off problems with it not responding, etc. Finally got pissed off, researched around, and started using googles open dns service. Zero issues since the change-up.

(link provided for the curious)
34  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need a new router. Help Please on: May 02, 2014, 06:05:20 AM
Any further developments?
35  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Should my GTX 780 be running at 80 degC? on: May 02, 2014, 05:59:50 AM

36  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: SSD tweaks and moving W7 user folders on: April 21, 2014, 06:05:16 AM
Hey, just started reading this...

(don't be fooled by the link name... win7 is apparently included)

37  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: SSD tweaks and moving W7 user folders on: April 12, 2014, 06:10:27 AM

That's the link to the latest version of the software that I most likely recommended to you at the time. (without digging up the original thread)...

You can do (pretty much?) everything it does, manually... this just saves time. As a matter of fact, I'm about to update mine and see if it offers anything new.

38  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need a new router. Help Please on: April 06, 2014, 08:45:17 PM

Replaced my departed D-Link with one of these, after researching around.

Solid router. Not the fastest anymore, but unless you're streaming high bandwidth movies over the wireless, you won't miss. Bittorrent doesn't crush it and leave it whimpering, the fate of so many.

Sadly, not compatible with third party firmwares, save for one russian outfit I found... can't remember name atm. But no tomato, etc.

39  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Using "Program Files (x86)" folder on non-OS drive on: March 02, 2014, 12:24:55 AM
The only reasoning that comes to mind ont he folders, is that occasionally (libreoffice isn't one, dont think), you get a program that gets confused, if it isn't installed in the default location....

You can put them whever you want, to be honest... although sticking it in the /windows folder isn't advised.

May I ask what your purpose is in keeping the ssd as clear as possible? If you don't store stuff on it, you don't get the speed boost. You're NOT going to wear it out with normal usage... but if it's of concern, go back and shrink the partition on it so that you're only using, say, 400-450 gigs, and leave the spare space free.

Once you do this, the drive will still use the unpartitioned space as 'spare' area, and it will have the effect of reducing wear on the drive even further... I use this trick with my raid 0's to help keep things relatively defragmented. Trim still doesnt seem to be functioning on my system for some reason.

(spare area gets written to first before the drive starts erasing blocks to make room... since the unpartitioned area is free, it won't have to write around/move anything to perform writes, which prevents fragmentation and slowdown)

My advice? Use the ssd just like a normal system drive. If you have a lot of data, stick THAT on the bulk data drive, not the programs. Use the partition trick if it makes you feel better, and it WILL help with fragmentation, although your system should trim properly given the current state of things.

40  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Need a new video card and looking for help on: February 28, 2014, 10:34:03 AM
I'll step in and advise that 2GB of vram is a _minimum_ upgrade these days for smooth gaming, especially towards the upper end of the spectrum, which 1080p qualifies as.

You said don't break the bank. Might I suggest a gtx 760 with 4GB? Should run around $300. Or a 770 which will set you back another Benjamin.

After these, your next step up is a plain-jane GTX 780... which is what I'm currently using at the 1920x1080 resolution you're targeting. And yes, it works great. Figure I've got another two years out of this card minimum, assuming Star Citizen doesn't eat its lunch. (it's a little sluggish atm, but I assume tuning will bring performance up as they go)

Gaming res is increasing. Game texture resolutions are increasing. Stuff like post-processing and AA are getting more intensive. (yes I noticed you mentioned no AA atm)

Thing to remember folks... if you want the nice screen and the big game textures... the gpu you need to drive it at decent framerates starts getting pretty expensive frown

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