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7441  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist 22/Sep/06 on: September 23, 2006, 03:20:19 AM
Lego Star Wars 2, Okami, Pokemon Myster Dungeon, Megaman ZX, Rocket Slime, and Harvest Moon DS.  Lots o' gaming.
7442  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: White Knight, a PS3 RPG from Level 5 on: September 22, 2006, 10:04:24 PM
I wonder if this will come out  before FFXIII or MGS4 here in the U.S.  One of those games will  be the one to make me finally buy a PS3, just a matter of which one and when.
7443  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Is it gay for a straight, white male to own a pink DS? on: September 22, 2006, 12:08:57 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on September 22, 2006, 10:43:06 AM

well even my sister got the white one saying she wouldnt be seen dead with a pink one,LOL

There is a lot to be learned from this statement.

Just kidding.  Or am I?
7444  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gran Turismo HD: Classic to cost $426.50 to $975?! on: September 21, 2006, 08:45:46 PM

Quote from: Gratch on September 21, 2006, 08:36:50 PM

Quote from: The Grue on September 21, 2006, 07:58:47 PM

My point here is that there is certainly a fine line to be walked here.  I would love it if all these companies gave us this exta stuff for free, but I don't expect it.  I also expect to get enough content for the $60 I paid for the game and only have supplemental, non-important content be offered via paid download.  This is acceptable to me.  Downloading extra maps or gameplay types is acceptable.  However, when I begin to feel like I should have had this content for my $60 or that you are forced to buy it to be on a level playing field, that is when I begin to have a problem with it.

The main problem I see is that the definition of "acceptable amount of content" is going to have a very different meaning for developers/publishers than it does to gamers.

I agree wholeheartedly, which is why I mentioned it being a fine line.  I think that over time these guys will get a grasp on what is acceptable to gamers and what is not.  Bethesda certainly learned real quick with the horse armor and everything they released afterwards gave more content for less money.  There will be mistakes made, but i think in the end, it will all shake out.
7445  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gran Turismo HD: Classic to cost $426.50 to $975?! on: September 21, 2006, 07:58:47 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on September 21, 2006, 07:35:33 PM

Quote from: Big Jake on September 21, 2006, 06:17:39 PM

Uh, what?

Let's see, we had a discussion on this subject sometime ago. W T F did I tell all of you people?!?!  I told you months ago we needed to stick a fucking knife in the shitbag company that Bethesda is.  I said, you let one game company do it now, it's just gonna keep getting worse.  I don't want to hear any bitching about this, UNLESS YOU BITCHED WHEN BETHESDA DID IT TOO!!  When one asshole does something shitheaded, particularly when it comes to making money, all other assholes (aka companies) will be forced to do it to to keep pace. 



Easy there Jake.  I think it is pretty early to crucify Bethesda.  They put a lot of content forth, and while it was pretty much universally agreed that the horse armor download was crap, the others were not.

Also, Bethesda didn't invent this idea, MS did (at least on their platform).  Sure, Bethesda was the first one to release actual content downloads for pay, but they weren't necessarily the first to plan on doing it.  I have no problem with some microtransactions.  With Oblivion, for example, I didn't look at the stuff they offered and think that they held content back from me.  I played Oblivion for 95 hours.  They gave me plenty of content without those extra addons.  I don't think I've really seen any downloadable content yet from any company where I felt like they ripped me off by taking content they should have given me for the initial paying price and making it downloadable.  If the rumors about EA selling alternate jerseys on the Marketplace is indeed true, I think they will be the first.

The other potential downside to downloadable content is if they sell items that you feel you have to have to compete.  I am not sure what the final verdict on the Chromehounds downloadable weapons for pay were, but if they were the best weapons in the game and you had to pay for them to compete, I have a problem with that.

My point here is that there is certainly a fine line to be walked here.  I would love it if all these companies gave us this exta stuff for free, but I don't expect it.  I also expect to get enough content for the $60 I paid for the game and only have supplemental, non-important content be offered via paid download.  This is acceptable to me.  Downloading extra maps or gameplay types is acceptable.  However, when I begin to feel like I should have had this content for my $60 or that you are forced to buy it to be on a level playing field, that is when I begin to have a problem with it.

Now, as people have mentioned I can see how some people might benefit from buying a game with no car sor tracks and only buying what they want.  I think most people, though, would benefit from just buying the more expensive version.  I guess I can't complain about a choice in that regard, though.  It's certainly nice to have options.
7446  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Reviewer trashes FF III (DS) on: September 21, 2006, 05:07:45 PM

Quote from: Devil on September 21, 2006, 05:05:51 PM

This IS a Ds game, right? It can't be bad!  icon_wink

Heh.  Even a fanboy like me admits there are plenty of bad DS games.  This won't be one of them, though, unless you just can't bear to play old school RPGs.
7447  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Gran Turismo HD: Classic to cost $426.50 to $975?! on: September 21, 2006, 12:10:26 PM
You seem to have left out the part of the article where he kind of speculates that certainly people can't be expected to pay that much:

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Now, is it possible that the game will be a full-priced title with a built-in download system that allows users to download cars and tracks equal to the number of the game's retail price? We hope the model ends up similar to this. However, right now, details are extremely sparse, and Sony has to have an answer to these questions[/quote

So, I'm not quite sure we can say the game will cost that much.  Wait....did I just defend Sony?  I need to go take a shower.
7448  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Reviewer trashes FF III (DS) on: September 20, 2006, 08:58:41 PM

Quote from: Dafones on September 20, 2006, 08:40:31 PM

It's freakin' Final Fantasy III with updated graphics and sound. What did the dude expect?

+1.

Actually, I think it is probably hard to review this thing from today's standpoint.  You almost have to give it two scores.  One which compares it to today's games and how it stands up against them and then another which reviews it based on the time it was originally created.  Then, let the reader decide which of those views is appropriate for them.  Mention all the flaws in the review so that newer gamers, who don't have that background can pass it up if the downsides of gameplay from last decade doesn't appeal to them.

That said, I saw this on GAF and thought it was hilarious.  It was mocking the part of his review where he compains about the battle mechanics:

Quote
Pits are a major issue in Super Mario Bros. Each time you try to make Mario walk over a pit, he falls in it and dies. You're basically forced to make him jump over the pits. But if you're not timing the jump carefully, Mario can still fall, and you have to do the level all over again.

7449  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: HD-DVD 360 Addon - $170 bucks on: September 20, 2006, 05:10:49 PM

Quote from: warning on September 20, 2006, 04:15:22 PM

I appreciate the 360 giving the option of having hi-def for movies rather than requiring it if I want to play games like the PS3.

This is the key.  If Sony gave me a $400 PS3 with a $200 Blue Ray addon, I would probably actually try to get a PS3 at launch.  They didn't and so I am not.
7450  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Okami impressions on: September 20, 2006, 04:14:43 PM

Quote from: ATB on September 20, 2006, 03:08:07 PM

After calling everywhere and their mother 'shipment's not in' I struck gold at Gamecrazy.

Game is in my hands and I'll fire it up over lunch.

Manual is thick (for a console) and weighs in at 40 pages.  Looks like it explains some of the mythology, who  the gameplay and gives to obligatory tips..

Oh and it smells really nice too...smells like....love.

One very nice vidoe game memory I have was waiting for the shipment of Metal Gear Solid to arrive at a Gamecrazy one night.  It came in right before close and a bunch of us were sitting around talking and waiting for it.  The cool thing is I knew nothing about the game beforehad and they just mentioned that they were waiting for them to come in on the same day as the ship date and they hyped it up enough that I bought it.  Good thing, too, because it ruled.
7451  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Guitar Hero 2 Tracks! on: September 20, 2006, 04:12:06 PM

Quote from: GGMark on September 17, 2006, 10:16:43 AM

the other day at EB,  I saw a cordless guitar that advertised that it worked for PS2 Guitar games.  Anyone know anything about it?  I wouldnt mind having a cordless one.  it wasnt made by Red Octane.  Some independant company.

I think I just read that Red Octane is suing these guys.

Yes, I did.  Link below:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/guitar-hero/redoctane-sues-wireless-guitar-controller-manufacturer-201854.php
7452  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: HD-DVD 360 Addon - $170 bucks on: September 20, 2006, 04:09:49 PM
It would be nice if they would give the U.S. price.  They may be pricing it lower there than here (just like the system itself) so that they can get more Japanese market.  It may very will still be $200 here.
7453  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360]Official Madden League STARTED 9/3 on: September 20, 2006, 02:28:40 PM
I hate to do this to you guys and I should have posted this sooner (I always forget this Sports forum here is separate from the Console forum).  I had vowed I wouldn't buy an EA Sports game again, but this year I caved in and bought it.  The game is alright, I suppose, but a couple things have really pissed me off about it.  One, no promised patch and two, no roster updates.  So, this past week, I finally got pissed off enough to sell the thing and get some games with the money.  Now, my boycott is in full effect and extending to all EA games.  Those two things I mentioned, plus having features available in the PS2/XBox generation games, were the final straw.  As such, since I have no game, I cannot play in the league.  Hopefully you guys can fill my spot fairly quickly and I do apologize.  Normally, I don't like to piss off the forums I hang out at, so hopefully you guys can forgive.  I could just no longer stand to have this game in my collection and EA will see no more of my money ever (even if Spore came out for Wii).
7454  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 360 camera on: September 19, 2006, 05:56:06 PM

Quote from: Devil on September 19, 2006, 05:32:28 PM

OUT!!

360 is located behind me when I play.

Bet MS didn't see that coming.  Although, it will make it easier to put up a Gamertag picture of your ass.
7455  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Okami? on: September 19, 2006, 03:04:09 PM
You guys are so cute with your thread bickering.  I just want to pinch your collective cheeks.  icon_biggrin
7456  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Okami impressions on: September 19, 2006, 01:27:31 PM

Quote from: ATB on September 19, 2006, 12:48:04 PM

Thread Usurper!

Hey, I'm just doing my part to get this thing to the 2nd page, where the real impressions will start.  Or did that not carry over from GG?
7457  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Okami impressions on: September 19, 2006, 12:13:31 PM
Ships today, so I think it will be the rare person who can post impressions today.
7458  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What's new on XBLA this week? on: September 19, 2006, 12:12:47 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 19, 2006, 06:21:15 AM

Thanks, Grue.  Love the avatar, btw.

Thanks. smile  I was trying to think of what to come up with as an avatar for it and remembered that you never really actually saw a grue.  Since they were only found in the dark, I figured I would make a black square as my image and he's just sitting there in the dark waiting to pounce.
7459  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What's new on XBLA this week? on: September 19, 2006, 03:59:14 AM
The rumor is Dig Dug.  As for Lumines, I have a feeling all will be revealed on that one at TGS (or X06).
7460  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Hell has frozen over - I'm probably getting a PSP on: September 18, 2006, 06:38:31 PM

Quote from: Dreamshadow on September 18, 2006, 05:26:41 PM

I've been waiting for someone to get D&D Turn Based gaming right.

That's been done and it was called combat in Baldur's Gate. smile
7461  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] Test Drive Unlimited Impressions on: September 18, 2006, 04:57:11 PM

Quote from: coopasonic on September 18, 2006, 04:46:06 PM

I'm at ~30 hours played and my only MP race was against The Grue.

Let's not forget who won that race.  Oh yeah, it was me racing an Audi against some old classic car, so it was hardly fair, but it was still a win, damnit!!
7462  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Problem with Test Drive Unlimited on: September 18, 2006, 02:34:18 PM

Quote from: jblank on September 18, 2006, 02:24:58 PM

I am "amateur" rank, is it hard to advance up from there?

In order to go up in ranks, you have to earn Achievements.  In your house, there is a screen where you can check your progress in various aspects of the game.  It will show you how many Achievement points you have and how many you need to get up to the next rank.  I am not sitting in front of the game or else I would give you more precise instructions, but, alas, I am not.
7463  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (9/18) on: September 18, 2006, 12:07:25 PM
Was going to get Pokemon and Rocket Slime, but I already have quite a few new DS games, so I think I will get Okami instead.
7464  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Wii 250.00 In or Out on: September 17, 2006, 10:16:38 PM

Quote from: Gratch on September 17, 2006, 09:38:00 PM

Out, for now.  While the system may be the greatest thing since sliced bread, there's simply no release games that interest me in the least.  Just as with the 360, once the library gets stronger I'm sure I'll pick one up.

It's the one guy in the world who hates Zelda!  Get him!!!!!!!!!
7465  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: F.U.R. : Lego Star Wars II [360] on: September 16, 2006, 12:54:50 PM
Picked this up last night to play with my kid and we had a blast.  We were laughing our asses off at some of the stuff in the cutscenes and as a Star Wars nerd, I truly love it.  Definitely worth $50 for me to have such a fun time with my son last night.
7466  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Nintendo DS 9/11-9/12 releases. on: September 16, 2006, 12:53:17 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 16, 2006, 05:35:48 AM

I also got Cooking Mama today and went through the first three recipes (and all variations), even got a gold on one.  Let me just say this: peeling potatoes is a PITA.  It's very much a focused Wario Ware game.  The various stages of cooking are represented by  quick mini-games (maybe 20 seconds to one minute in length), cutting a carrot, peeling a potato, putting various items in a mixing bowl, tossing items into a pot and changing the heat and stirring.  Highly recommend that you practice every recipe first, so you're not playing the "what the hell do I do" game while trying to actually cook.

It seems to be a lot of fun, but I'm not sure how long it can sustain that fun.  How many variations on food preparation can there be?

Still, seems worth the modest $20 price.

This echoes my thoughts exactly, even up to the potato peeling part, but then potato peeling is kind of a PITA in real life, too.  icon_biggrin

I am having fun with it so far and for $20, I don't think you can go wrong even if you got bored of it fairly quickly.  I will just try to get gold in every one of these recipes.  I had heard conflicting reports on how many mini games there are.  One thing I read said 50 and another said 200.  Not sure which is accurate yet as I have only done about 4 recipes.
7467  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Nintendo DS 9/11-9/12 releases. on: September 15, 2006, 11:44:08 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 15, 2006, 02:48:38 PM

Quote from: The Grue on September 15, 2006, 12:09:50 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 15, 2006, 06:04:12 AM

One issue, though: there doesn't seem to be a map anywhere (unless you pick one up later, but I needed it early on) and the levels seem to be quite confusing. 

There is a map in the game.  Hit Start and then I think you move left with the D-pad (You can move right and left to workthrough various menus here, but one of them is the map).

I figured it would be something simple.  Ah, for the days I actually read manuals...

Thanks, TG!

I want to correct this now that I have the game in front of me.  Use the L and R buttons to cycle through the menus when you have pressed Start.
7468  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Nintendo DS 9/11-9/12 releases. on: September 15, 2006, 11:38:21 PM
Found Cooking Mama today and bought it.
7469  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Japanese DS Lite Questions on: September 15, 2006, 10:20:29 PM
I can't answer your first question, though I thought the DS Lite was always sold out in Japan.  Maybe things have improved.

As far as question 2, I imported a navy blue one at launch and use it here in the U.S just fine, so no problems there.  When it first comes up, it will be in Japanese, but it isn't too difficult to work your way through the options and set it to English.
7470  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 08:13:47 PM

Quote from: jblank on September 15, 2006, 08:02:28 PM

I will admit it, I thought I made some valid points, you and them may disagree, thats fine, but anyone that doesn't think the Wii could have some issues with potential sales, when stacked up against better systems, with more capabilities, and more software, isn't really, in my opinion, thinking all that realistically, or critically. You might disagree, thats fine.

As to your point about it taking a while to see what happens, thats true, but AGAIN, anyone that acts like this thing is gonna sell like hotcakes because of a funky controller is fooling themselves. It is a fact, Nintendo has some big hurdles with this system, that is an absolute truth, how is it even debateable? Its hardly opinion when you put it up against the other two, then look at what they all offer.

I agree with everything you posted here, except the very last part where you say that is should be obvious that the other two should outclass Nintendo based on what they have to offer.  I can argue that what other people want out of a system isn't necessarily the best graphics, HD, next-gen DVD playing, etc.  This is just as much up for debate as whether Nintendo will be successful or not.

 As I posted earlier, in no way do I think Nintendo has a slam dunk to win a console war.  They may very well come in last.  What I admire about them is that they are taking a chance and I think it is very good for our industry.  I only hope they are rewarded for it by having a great deal of success.  I also think this chance is the best shot they had at trying to get back in the race after last gen.  If they fail yet again, maybe it truly is time for them to go software and handheld hardware only.  I also don't think third place is failure if they (wait for it, Devil) make money and expand the market somewhat.  Whether they actually do this remains to be seen.
7471  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 07:58:46 PM

Quote from: jblank on September 15, 2006, 07:39:57 PM

Quote from: Farscry on September 15, 2006, 06:44:45 PM

Can't believe I'm saying this, but for the most point, I generally agree with what Devil's been posting in this thread, as well as Tebunker.  icon_biggrin


Then I REALLY failed in my mission to open these threads to a bit of realistic and critical thinking.



You certainly think highly of yourself if you think that your opinion is the only one in this entire thread that is "realistic" and an example of "critical thinking."  Tebunker's and Devill's posts were nice and moderate in between super fanboy and troll.  The truth is that your post, like everyone else's in here, is merely opinion and none of us will know whose is closest to reality until all this stuff shakes out in a few years.
7472  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 07:13:34 PM
Well, the examplke of your wife is a little different in that your household already owns a DS.  Let's look for examples where someone bought a DS that never bought a handheld before.  I saw some older lady (in her 50s) talking about buying a DS and Brain Training at Gamestop the other day.  This is what I am more talking about.
7473  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 06:41:56 PM

Quote from: Devil on September 15, 2006, 06:37:25 PM

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When you release a console that makes a profit on every piece sold ...I call that a success, despite marketshare.

THANKS!!!  icon_biggrin

I do these things for you, Devil.  icon_smile

That and it's true.
7474  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 06:28:26 PM

Quote from: jblank on September 15, 2006, 06:09:45 PM


Hold up there Tex, I never said it was gonna fail, all I did was try and explain to you guys (try being the operative word) the obstacles this system is gonna have to overcome to be a success. For that I caught some flak from its defenders, you among them, which is fine, but you guys don't seem to be able to register that the system has some serious questions marks, starting with its price and performance. I'd say a lot of people at Ford thought the Edsel was gonna be an awesome car also.


Others in this thread are just trying to explain to you that despite any obstacles Nintendo might have, they still think it will be successful.  You guys have different opinions and it's all good.  In the back of my mind, I fully recognize that Nintendo has a lot to overcome.  Do I think they are a lock to take the 1st place lead over Sony and MS? Nope.  I am not even convinced they would even come in second.  However, I have never been one to think Nintendo has to be number 1 in marketshare to be successful.

When you release a console that makes a profit on every piece sold (don't Sony and MS wish they could say that?), I call that a success, despite marketshare.  Now, while I won't just hand Nintendo a first place medal and call the race over, I do think they have done some great things as of late.  I really think this new control thing is just pure genius.  Back when they announced the DS and everyone was wondering what the big deal was, I saw the DS as having the potential for success.  Yes, the handheld market is different than the home console market, but I do think innovations and games that make it easier for non-gamers to get involved is a great strategy.

The Touch Generations line of DS products has really opened up the DS to those who would never have even thought about it before.  I think the Wii just might be able to do the same thing.  I fully recognize I could be wrong and would happily admit it (well, maybe not happily) if asked in a couple years after all this shakes out.  The truth is that I want Nintendo to be successful because I think they should be rewarded for trying to put a spark in the gaming industry.  That's why I love Guitar Hero so much.  It really made people take notice of at least one video game, even if it didn't serve as a "gateway drug" for moving onto other games.  These are the kinds of things the industry we love needs to be successful.  Will it work?  Not sure.  But, if this one doesn't work, maybe someone else will come up with something else that does.  Either way, I'm all for people trying.  So, even if Nintendo is successful, they should get some appreciation and respect for trying.
7475  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 03:39:30 PM
And the best part, Devil, is that with the Wii at launch at $250...Nintendo will be making money.  icon_biggrin
7476  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 03:27:27 PM

Quote from: Devil on September 15, 2006, 03:09:27 PM

The real issue is that we are not allowed to question Nintendo in here.

Everything else is fair game...except me!

Ha.  No, feel free to bash Nintendo all you want.  We all know how much I love the big N, but I made this thread because I am interested in opinions.  If graphics are all a person cares about, I'd like to know and won't pass any judgment.
7477  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 02:32:31 PM

Quote from: Destructor on September 15, 2006, 02:00:08 PM

I also grew up in the age where an airplane was made out of 8 pixels (the Atari 2600), so graphics are definitely not my strongpoint. It want the gameplay.

You know, you might be onto something, there.  Of course, though, I am sure there are older gamers lkike you and I who graphics really matter a great deal to.  For me, Pong was my first sports game, Space Invaders and Asteroids my first shooter, Adventure my first RPG, so gameplay wins over graphics for me.  Look at Bill Harris and his obsession with Dwarf Fortress, a game which has ASCII graphics.  For him, it's all about the depth of that particular game.  Would I want to pay $60 for Combat as someone suggested?  No.  But I would pay some price less for it and the Wii can hardly be called Combat-level graphics (although that racing game I saw screens for is awfully close  icon_lol)
7478  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 12:12:36 PM

Quote from: EddieA on September 15, 2006, 05:18:15 AM

It's not just the quality of the graphics; it's an issue of what you're getting for your money.  The Wii should cost a lot less, since you're getting a lot less.  $600 is really expensive, but you're getting a top of the line gaming system and a Blu-Ray DVD player, which are expensive on their own.  With the Wii, you get a budget-level system with a few extras, like web-browsing.  I think both are more than I want to pay for what they offer, but that's what price cuts are for slywink



I guess my point is that you are getting something for the money.  You're getting a completely new way to play video games with the nunchuck.  Now, I don't know how much it actually costs to produce the sensor bar and R&D the technology and all, but my guess is that this is what makes it $250, not the graphics capabilities.
7479  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Nintendo DS 9/11-9/12 releases. on: September 15, 2006, 12:09:50 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 15, 2006, 06:04:12 AM

One issue, though: there doesn't seem to be a map anywhere (unless you pick one up later, but I needed it early on) and the levels seem to be quite confusing. 

There is a map in the game.  Hit Start and then I think you move left with the D-pad (You can move right and left to workthrough various menus here, but one of them is the map).
7480  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 03:30:15 AM
I was looking at the In or Out thread for the Wii and was disappointed that so many people posted out because they thought the Wii wasn't worth the money because the graphics weren't so much more than the Gamecube (something I don't quite agree with, but not the point of this).  To me, the cost isn't justified by the graphics, but instead by the technology of the controller (and the accompanying sensors) and what can be done with it (sensors, rumble, speaker, etc.).  However, people seem very concerned with the Wii strictly because the graphics don't justify the cost of the system.

Now, I love me some graphics as much as the next person and I giggle like a school girl when I get an impressive looking 360 going, but I also love gameplay and innovation and for me, that is what the Wii is going to give me, just like the DS has.

So, my friends, how much do graphics matter to you?  Speak up and be heard!  I promise not to judge.  icon_wink
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