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7441  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 08:13:47 PM

Quote from: jblank on September 15, 2006, 08:02:28 PM

I will admit it, I thought I made some valid points, you and them may disagree, thats fine, but anyone that doesn't think the Wii could have some issues with potential sales, when stacked up against better systems, with more capabilities, and more software, isn't really, in my opinion, thinking all that realistically, or critically. You might disagree, thats fine.

As to your point about it taking a while to see what happens, thats true, but AGAIN, anyone that acts like this thing is gonna sell like hotcakes because of a funky controller is fooling themselves. It is a fact, Nintendo has some big hurdles with this system, that is an absolute truth, how is it even debateable? Its hardly opinion when you put it up against the other two, then look at what they all offer.

I agree with everything you posted here, except the very last part where you say that is should be obvious that the other two should outclass Nintendo based on what they have to offer.  I can argue that what other people want out of a system isn't necessarily the best graphics, HD, next-gen DVD playing, etc.  This is just as much up for debate as whether Nintendo will be successful or not.

 As I posted earlier, in no way do I think Nintendo has a slam dunk to win a console war.  They may very well come in last.  What I admire about them is that they are taking a chance and I think it is very good for our industry.  I only hope they are rewarded for it by having a great deal of success.  I also think this chance is the best shot they had at trying to get back in the race after last gen.  If they fail yet again, maybe it truly is time for them to go software and handheld hardware only.  I also don't think third place is failure if they (wait for it, Devil) make money and expand the market somewhat.  Whether they actually do this remains to be seen.
7442  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 07:58:46 PM

Quote from: jblank on September 15, 2006, 07:39:57 PM

Quote from: Farscry on September 15, 2006, 06:44:45 PM

Can't believe I'm saying this, but for the most point, I generally agree with what Devil's been posting in this thread, as well as Tebunker.  icon_biggrin


Then I REALLY failed in my mission to open these threads to a bit of realistic and critical thinking.



You certainly think highly of yourself if you think that your opinion is the only one in this entire thread that is "realistic" and an example of "critical thinking."  Tebunker's and Devill's posts were nice and moderate in between super fanboy and troll.  The truth is that your post, like everyone else's in here, is merely opinion and none of us will know whose is closest to reality until all this stuff shakes out in a few years.
7443  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 07:13:34 PM
Well, the examplke of your wife is a little different in that your household already owns a DS.  Let's look for examples where someone bought a DS that never bought a handheld before.  I saw some older lady (in her 50s) talking about buying a DS and Brain Training at Gamestop the other day.  This is what I am more talking about.
7444  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 06:41:56 PM

Quote from: Devil on September 15, 2006, 06:37:25 PM

Quote
When you release a console that makes a profit on every piece sold ...I call that a success, despite marketshare.

THANKS!!!  icon_biggrin

I do these things for you, Devil.  icon_smile

That and it's true.
7445  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 06:28:26 PM

Quote from: jblank on September 15, 2006, 06:09:45 PM


Hold up there Tex, I never said it was gonna fail, all I did was try and explain to you guys (try being the operative word) the obstacles this system is gonna have to overcome to be a success. For that I caught some flak from its defenders, you among them, which is fine, but you guys don't seem to be able to register that the system has some serious questions marks, starting with its price and performance. I'd say a lot of people at Ford thought the Edsel was gonna be an awesome car also.


Others in this thread are just trying to explain to you that despite any obstacles Nintendo might have, they still think it will be successful.  You guys have different opinions and it's all good.  In the back of my mind, I fully recognize that Nintendo has a lot to overcome.  Do I think they are a lock to take the 1st place lead over Sony and MS? Nope.  I am not even convinced they would even come in second.  However, I have never been one to think Nintendo has to be number 1 in marketshare to be successful.

When you release a console that makes a profit on every piece sold (don't Sony and MS wish they could say that?), I call that a success, despite marketshare.  Now, while I won't just hand Nintendo a first place medal and call the race over, I do think they have done some great things as of late.  I really think this new control thing is just pure genius.  Back when they announced the DS and everyone was wondering what the big deal was, I saw the DS as having the potential for success.  Yes, the handheld market is different than the home console market, but I do think innovations and games that make it easier for non-gamers to get involved is a great strategy.

The Touch Generations line of DS products has really opened up the DS to those who would never have even thought about it before.  I think the Wii just might be able to do the same thing.  I fully recognize I could be wrong and would happily admit it (well, maybe not happily) if asked in a couple years after all this shakes out.  The truth is that I want Nintendo to be successful because I think they should be rewarded for trying to put a spark in the gaming industry.  That's why I love Guitar Hero so much.  It really made people take notice of at least one video game, even if it didn't serve as a "gateway drug" for moving onto other games.  These are the kinds of things the industry we love needs to be successful.  Will it work?  Not sure.  But, if this one doesn't work, maybe someone else will come up with something else that does.  Either way, I'm all for people trying.  So, even if Nintendo is successful, they should get some appreciation and respect for trying.
7446  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 03:39:30 PM
And the best part, Devil, is that with the Wii at launch at $250...Nintendo will be making money.  icon_biggrin
7447  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 03:27:27 PM

Quote from: Devil on September 15, 2006, 03:09:27 PM

The real issue is that we are not allowed to question Nintendo in here.

Everything else is fair game...except me!

Ha.  No, feel free to bash Nintendo all you want.  We all know how much I love the big N, but I made this thread because I am interested in opinions.  If graphics are all a person cares about, I'd like to know and won't pass any judgment.
7448  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 02:32:31 PM

Quote from: Destructor on September 15, 2006, 02:00:08 PM

I also grew up in the age where an airplane was made out of 8 pixels (the Atari 2600), so graphics are definitely not my strongpoint. It want the gameplay.

You know, you might be onto something, there.  Of course, though, I am sure there are older gamers lkike you and I who graphics really matter a great deal to.  For me, Pong was my first sports game, Space Invaders and Asteroids my first shooter, Adventure my first RPG, so gameplay wins over graphics for me.  Look at Bill Harris and his obsession with Dwarf Fortress, a game which has ASCII graphics.  For him, it's all about the depth of that particular game.  Would I want to pay $60 for Combat as someone suggested?  No.  But I would pay some price less for it and the Wii can hardly be called Combat-level graphics (although that racing game I saw screens for is awfully close  icon_lol)
7449  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 12:12:36 PM

Quote from: EddieA on September 15, 2006, 05:18:15 AM

It's not just the quality of the graphics; it's an issue of what you're getting for your money.  The Wii should cost a lot less, since you're getting a lot less.  $600 is really expensive, but you're getting a top of the line gaming system and a Blu-Ray DVD player, which are expensive on their own.  With the Wii, you get a budget-level system with a few extras, like web-browsing.  I think both are more than I want to pay for what they offer, but that's what price cuts are for slywink



I guess my point is that you are getting something for the money.  You're getting a completely new way to play video games with the nunchuck.  Now, I don't know how much it actually costs to produce the sensor bar and R&D the technology and all, but my guess is that this is what makes it $250, not the graphics capabilities.
7450  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Nintendo DS 9/11-9/12 releases. on: September 15, 2006, 12:09:50 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on September 15, 2006, 06:04:12 AM

One issue, though: there doesn't seem to be a map anywhere (unless you pick one up later, but I needed it early on) and the levels seem to be quite confusing. 

There is a map in the game.  Hit Start and then I think you move left with the D-pad (You can move right and left to workthrough various menus here, but one of them is the map).
7451  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Do graphics matter that much? on: September 15, 2006, 03:30:15 AM
I was looking at the In or Out thread for the Wii and was disappointed that so many people posted out because they thought the Wii wasn't worth the money because the graphics weren't so much more than the Gamecube (something I don't quite agree with, but not the point of this).  To me, the cost isn't justified by the graphics, but instead by the technology of the controller (and the accompanying sensors) and what can be done with it (sensors, rumble, speaker, etc.).  However, people seem very concerned with the Wii strictly because the graphics don't justify the cost of the system.

Now, I love me some graphics as much as the next person and I giggle like a school girl when I get an impressive looking 360 going, but I also love gameplay and innovation and for me, that is what the Wii is going to give me, just like the DS has.

So, my friends, how much do graphics matter to you?  Speak up and be heard!  I promise not to judge.  icon_wink
7452  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Nintendo DS 9/11-9/12 releases. on: September 15, 2006, 03:26:02 AM
After reading lots of impressions on Mario, I passed.  I picked up Megaman and Harvest Moon, both of which will do me just fine.  I wanted Cooking Mama, but I couldn't find it.
7453  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Wii 250.00 In or Out on: September 15, 2006, 03:23:49 AM
I'm so fucking in it hurts.  Can't wait until Gamestop starts taking preorders as I have some Gamebucks sitting around just waiting for it.
7454  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] Test Drive Unlimited Impressions on: September 14, 2006, 01:17:24 PM

Quote from: coopasonic on September 14, 2006, 02:47:08 AM

Well I found different club location shave different start up costs, naturally I chose the most expensive. $750k later we have a club. "GT Joyriders", yah I know creative and all. You need to be on my friends list to get an invite. Sent invites to Grue, TML and Reemul as they are the ones on my friends list that have the game. If anyone else wants an invite PM me or apply in game at a clubhouse (ours is on the north shore in the middle by the Ducati dealer, not sure if you need to go to that one to apply) be sure you have coopasonic on your friends list. smile

I didn't receive an invite either in XBox Live or in game.  I had one news piece about someone leaving the club, but that was it.  I went to another club location (I don't have this one driven to yet) and I saw you on there with your club, but when I clicked on it it asked if I wanted to join.  I guess I should have clicked yes, maybe.
7455  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [DS] Two New RPGs from Square- One is FFXII Spinoff on: September 13, 2006, 05:58:05 PM

Quote from: Orpheo on September 13, 2006, 05:22:45 PM

Why do they continue with these spinoffs?  Have they made a good one yet?  FFX-2 was asstacular even compared to FFX, that FF7 action game isn't getting good reviews, both movies kind of bit...

<anal>
FFX-2 is a sequel, not a spinoff.
</anal>
7456  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] Test Drive Unlimited Impressions on: September 13, 2006, 02:33:38 PM
Is there a way to send money to another player?  I can help contribute to the club fund.  Maybe we set up a race for a lot of money and I purposely lose it or something.
7457  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] Test Drive Unlimited Impressions on: September 13, 2006, 12:10:12 PM
Ha!  How is getting two free cars to purchase with in-game money a ripoff?
7458  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Nintendo DS 9/11-9/12 releases. on: September 13, 2006, 12:09:26 PM
These days I don't look at review scores at all.  I've read far too many reviews that sound glowing and they give a low score or sound bad and they give it a high one.  I take a lot more stock in reading forum impressions and also reading the review itself and making my own determination from that.  Take Harvest Moon, for intance.  All the reviews have been 6s, but in reading the text, I find nothing wrong with the things they've pointed out as being bad.  I'll be picking it up today, despite the 6s.  If I'd have listened to them, I wouldn't have bought Dead Rising or Enchanted Arms or Starfox.
7459  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] Test Drive Unlimited Impressions on: September 12, 2006, 02:08:34 PM
Has anyone had any luck selecting a player's car in the map?  Are we even supposed ot be able to do this?  I see lots of cars on the map, but when I put the cursor over them, I don't get any kind of tooltip telling me about them, which I do get when I first get into the map, because it has automatically selected someone.  Can someone tell me how to select another player to view them?  Thanks.
7460  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] Test Drive Unlimited Impressions on: September 12, 2006, 01:26:28 PM

Quote from: Thin_J on September 12, 2006, 12:36:10 PM



I couldn't handle the demo for this game, and my understanding is that the physics are the same in the full game.



From what I've seen the driving mechanics are handled better in the full version than in the demos.  Also, I turned off the driving help which changed things for the better as well.  Maybe you should give it a rent and turn off the driving help to see if you might like it.
7461  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The 360 Killed the previous Generation on: September 11, 2006, 11:28:02 PM

Quote from: semiconscious on September 11, 2006, 10:53:27 PM

Quote from: Scott on September 11, 2006, 12:56:38 PM

I also like the achievment points at times more then I should.

for real: if ever the day arrives that i find myself getting sucked into the world of 'achievement points', that is the day i stop gaming...

It depends.  If you're sucked into it because you want to prove how hardcore you are because of your score, that's one thing.  I see no problem with being into them, though, because they extend the life of a game by basically giving you little mini-games and goals to complete that you probably never would have done before, thereby giving your game even more depth.  Why you would stop gaming because of this puzzles me.
7462  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The 360 Killed the previous Generation on: September 11, 2006, 09:15:08 PM

Quote from: biggercup on September 11, 2006, 08:53:46 PM

For me it's also the achievement points. Now it just seems weird playing games without it.
Also, it is more of who has more achievement points than who beat the game first.

Unless you're playing King Kong...then they're the same thing.  icon_wink
7463  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Nintendo DS 9/11-9/12 releases. on: September 11, 2006, 05:26:39 PM

Quote from: coopasonic on September 11, 2006, 05:14:07 PM

Quote from: The Grue on September 11, 2006, 03:14:26 AM

Yeah, it pisses me off.  I was telling my wife about it today.  There are 4 games I want this week and no way I can get them all.  Not sure why they can't spread them out more evenly throughout the year.

You could spread them out yourself ya know. slywink

That would work if it wasn't for the fact that next week alone, there are two more.  Yeah, I guess I could spread out the 15 DS games I want this fall, but my problem is that some games end up being rare (I'm looking at you Trauma Center and Phoenix Wright).  I passed those up last Christmas thinking I would just get them at the beginning of this year and I didn't end up getting Phoenix Wright until last month.
7464  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] Test Drive Unlimited Impressions on: September 11, 2006, 02:09:31 PM
Coop, you are on my Friend's list and I couldn't find a way to figure out where you were on the map, which actually prompted my question in the first place.  I am willing to exchange the code and try it out.  Let's look for each other online later tonight.
7465  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (9/11) on: September 11, 2006, 02:06:53 PM
Definitely Mario 3 on 3....I also want Megaman, Harvest Moon, Cooking Mama, and Star Wars Lego II (360).  Would also possibly be interested in Bounty Hounds.  If Best Buy adds Cooking Mama and Megaman to their web site for that buy 2 get 1 free thing, that would be enough to push me to scrounge up the funds to get it.  Otherwise, things will probably have to wait because there are too many games this month.
7466  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Behold the 360 laptop! on: September 11, 2006, 12:16:32 PM
For some reason, it doesns't load for me, but I found a blog with stuff about it on it:

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/video-xbox-360-laptop
7467  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Nintendo DS 9/11-9/12 releases. on: September 11, 2006, 12:10:35 PM

Quote from: Tebunker on September 11, 2006, 11:21:58 AM

Harvest Moon hasn't been getting too favorable of reviews  icon_frown so I will probably pass. I am interested in Mario 3 on 3 hoops, Megaman Zx has gotten good reviews and I am definately interested in Mechassault eventhough it's not wi-fi.

Harvest Moon never gets good reviews, so you shouldn't base your decision on that.  I think AWL has gotten some of the best reviews for an HM game and it is considered to be one of the worst HM games by fans.
7468  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] Test Drive Unlimited Impressions on: September 11, 2006, 12:09:03 PM
My next question is regarding friends.  Is there a way to see your friends on the island no matter where they are?
7469  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] Test Drive Unlimited Impressions on: September 11, 2006, 03:16:04 AM
I played it for a bit today and really liked it.  Yeah, it doesn't handle as well as PGR3 for me, but I like the setup of the game and the way they have all the unlocking and the fact that you have to drive to a place first before you can warp to it.  How does this code thing work?  I have to get a code from someone to get the cars and then they have ot hope they can get someone else's code?  Knightshade, can I get your code since you won't be playing it?
7470  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Nintendo DS 9/11-9/12 releases. on: September 11, 2006, 03:14:26 AM
Yeah, it pisses me off.  I was telling my wife about it today.  There are 4 games I want this week and no way I can get them all.  Not sure why they can't spread them out more evenly throughout the year.
7471  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] Test Drive Unlimited Impressions on: September 10, 2006, 08:13:45 PM
Alright, you bastards.  I bought it.  Haven't played it yet, but you guys talked me into it so I will be playing today at some time.
7472  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Help me pick a portable console system on: September 09, 2006, 04:36:59 PM

Quote from: Ascendent on September 09, 2006, 03:25:51 PM

I haven't played with a DS lite so I can't really say. But my Nintendo DS while being a handheld it isn't portable gaming refined. It's cumbersome and I think the DS lite is as well with the flip top and the digi pen gaming elements. All I can say is from experience, I've gone out with my PSP and used it to watch umd's while on the treadmill at the gym. While getting my car inspected I just stood outside playing a little Tekken DR.  In my opinion the PSP is the more portable gaming friendly of the two, of course ymmv and I'm sure there are more then a few people who would disagree with me.

It's funny, because for me the PSP is less portable because I feel I have to put it in theat Logitech case to keep it safe, which makes the thing very cumbersome.  Also, since there are zero loading times, I just flip open the lid and play and close it when I am done.  I use sleep mode for the PSP as well, but it takes a second for the disc to get spinning when I pull it out of sleep mode and if I am playing a game with load times, there's waiting there.  So, in my opinion, the Lite is much better for quick gaming sessions.

I've been touting the DS in this thread because I prefer it over the PSP, but really, it does come down to what you want out of a system.  I find the games more unique on the DS and more entertaining.  That doesn't mean the PSP doesn't have it's share of good games (Daxter and Syphon Filter jump immediately to mind).  SO, when deciding between the two, go look at all the games that are out and all the games coming out for this Christmas.  Make a list of all the must-haves for each system.  Then, make your decision based on that.  If I had to pick between the two, it would be DS all the way.  However, I didn't have to pick. smile
7473  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Video of the Wii in action on: September 09, 2006, 02:16:12 PM

Quote from: Misguided on September 09, 2006, 11:45:50 AM


Nope

Personally, I don't like rumble anyway, and turn it off whenever I can. I can grok that other people like it, though.

The authors of that article retracted the statement that there is no vibration:

Quote
No Wii Remote rumble? Kittsy spotted that I'd made a mess of page 15 just after we finished the mag. It was too late to correct and resend the page to the printers (apparently yelling "Hold the presses!" doesn't actually result in boiler-suited workmen running about like mad and machinery grinding to a halt). So we forget about it, assuming the worst that might happen is that a few readers might write in to point and laugh at our mistake. Of course, now it's all over the internet. And we look very silly indeed. So, to clarify: the Wiimote does have a rumble. And a speaker. Shigsy isn't going to kick out either feature (as far as we know). DON'T PANIC.
7474  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Help me pick a portable console system on: September 09, 2006, 02:12:31 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on September 09, 2006, 01:55:58 PM

Quote
Nintendo would never let Rockstar publish one on their system anyway because that'd ruin their "kiddie image"..



As big of a Nintendo fanboy as I am and in his defense, those are the exceptions rather than the rule for Nintendo.  Yes, they've put out some M games on their systems, but they aren't so common.  Despite being 33, I actually tend to shy away from M games because I am relegated to playing them only late at night when the kids are in bed.  I do think Nintendo should put out more M games, though, even if I wouldn't necessarily buy them because I believe it would help with their success.
7475  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Help me pick a portable console system on: September 08, 2006, 08:30:19 PM

Quote from: Xmann on September 08, 2006, 08:20:54 PM

ok, someone tell me to shut up next time i change my mind.

i'm going DS smile

Or are you?
7476  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PSP] Firmware 2.81 on: September 08, 2006, 07:38:43 PM
Yeah, I did it once before back around the 2.0 days, but ended up upgrading when GTA came out because it required a certain version to play the music files.  I kept upgrading ever since because I liked the features it added, but as I realize I don't really ever use this things to play games, much less browse the web, watch videos, or listen to music on it, maybe there are some interesting applications out there that I will use it for.  Plus, if I can take the games I do buy, rip them, and put them on a memory stick to cut down load times, that is probably my big justification.  A lot of the reason I pass the thing is over is because there a few games with no load times.
7477  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PSP] Firmware 2.81 on: September 08, 2006, 06:38:50 PM

Quote from: Destructor on September 08, 2006, 06:29:55 PM


As of last check, you can emulate 2.71 right now, which is what you need in order to run all current games.

Yes, but my problem is that since I am at 2.8 right now, I don't think I have a way to get back to 1.5, do I?
7478  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Help me pick a portable console system on: September 08, 2006, 05:17:36 PM

Quote from: Misguided on September 08, 2006, 04:43:04 PM

I do have an Onyx Lite preordered, but have been using the DS for months and never felt the screen was dark or anything like that except when trying to play in the car (i.e. in brightly lit areas it can get washed out).


I once thought this way, as well, until I saw pictures of the DS Lite screen.  Seriously, when I heard about the Lite, I thought, "I don't think my screen is dark or anything...why would I need it?  There is no way I am buying one."  Then, I saw the pics of the screens before it was released in Japan.  I imported.  'Nuff said.
7479  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PSP] Firmware 2.81 on: September 08, 2006, 05:15:21 PM

Quote from: Dreamshadow on September 08, 2006, 04:44:23 PM

The newer PSPs on the market cannot be downgraded to 1.5 due to changes in the motherboard.  Only models that could have been 1.5 originally (the newer ones start at 2.0 or 2.5) can be downgraded.

Mine was originally 1.5, so I shouldn't have a problem there.  I bought it on launch day.  I just need a way to downgrade.  Looks like I will have to wait.
7480  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PSP] Firmware 2.81 on: September 08, 2006, 04:20:29 PM

Quote from: warning on September 08, 2006, 03:32:18 PM

Yeah they recently cracked 2.80 so all 2.81 does is patch the security hole.

Wait, so I can downgrade to 1.5 from a 2.8 PSP now?  If so, PM me with details on what I need to know to get this done.
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