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7441  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Pirate Bay loses trial on: April 17, 2009, 09:28:24 PM

Quote from: farley2k on April 17, 2009, 09:21:41 PM

Quote from: Razgon on April 17, 2009, 09:06:54 PM

Since they were sentenced, yes, they broke the law. And no, Google, yahoo and MS wasnt, so they didnt break the law.

And if a website points me with 2 clicks without me typing in anything towards illegal stuff, then clearly its intended to work that way

2. Yes it is intended to make piracy easier.  Is intention a crime?  If I see a guy with a fifty dollar bill hanging out of his pocket and I intend to steal it can the police arrest me?  Even if I haven't stolen it yet?  Even if my intention was clear?  

They were charged with accessory, not the theft. If I find a bank with an open door and put up a bunch of signs leading to it that says "free money" , I'm pretty sure I can get charged with accessory to theft even if I don't take any of the money.
7442  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Pirate Bay loses trial on: April 17, 2009, 09:21:04 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on April 17, 2009, 08:56:27 PM

Quote from: Teggy on April 17, 2009, 08:43:50 PM

I don't see how this is remotely the same. They are not just suspicious looking. I go to their site and click on "tv shows" and I get directories for television shows so I can download any episode I want (by season - we are not talking commercials, clips, interviews, whatever. Nothing in those directories is legal). They are actively directing people toward downloading illegal files. They make it easy. Yes, I might be able to find these files on Google, but I am not directed towards it, nor is it promoted in any way as the primary purpose for the site.

Nowhere have I said that every torrent search site is engaged in this activity. We are talking about the Pirate Bay, and I am saying that if you look at the Pirate Bay it is very clear that they promote illegal downloading of files.

Person C creates a website called "FreeTVandMovies.com," and all it does is take what you type into the input bar, add "filetype:torrent" to the search string, and plug it into Google.

All Person C is doing is adding a small bit of text to your search string.  Is that illegal?  Is it more illegal since they have a suspicious sounding name and it's 'clear what they're doing?'  Is Google more illegal because of the existence of FreeTVandMovies.com?

If their goal is to spread the use of illegal files, then yes, I will argue that what they are doing is at minimum wrong (and possibly illegal if the law allows). I think what people are missing is intent. If a person runs out in front of my car I will not be charged with murder because I did not intend to kill that person. If I see a person and purposefully run them down I am guilty of murder. The intent of Google is to allow people to search for stuff, share pictures, make spreadsheets, get voicemail, among many other things, and they will remove copyrighted material when requested. The intent of The Pirate Bay is to PIRATE. Maybe for some reason you don't think so, but the court disagreed.
7443  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Pirate Bay loses trial on: April 17, 2009, 08:43:50 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on April 17, 2009, 08:17:16 PM

Quote from: Teggy on April 17, 2009, 07:57:36 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on April 17, 2009, 07:43:04 PM

Quote from: Teggy on April 17, 2009, 07:23:47 PM

Why would I logically create a search engine for illegal filesharing that gives links to illegal files and expect that people will just look at the file listings but not actually download them?

How can you tell the difference (aside from "they have a scary name") between a torrent site that's specifically intending to guide people to illegal content and one that is just helping you find whatever content you're looking without policing the legality of your searches?  

I don't understand this - have you guys never visited the Pirate Bay? You go there and you can immediately click on links to download illegal copies of tv shows, click other links that go directly to illegal copies of games, etc.  Have you ever been to Google? What do you get when you click on the video link? Is there a link to download games?

I don't care if The Pirate Bay was called The Tuna Fish Shack, any person with half a brain can see what it is for just by looking at it, just as they can with Google.

(and Pug, I don't mean to imply you don't have half a brain, I just couldn't come up with a better way of saying that smile )

Just look at him!  He's clearly the murderer because he's so suspicious looking!


I don't see how this is remotely the same. They are not just suspicious looking. I go to their site and click on "tv shows" and I get directories for television shows so I can download any episode I want (by season - we are not talking commercials, clips, interviews, whatever. Nothing in those directories is legal). They are actively directing people toward downloading illegal files. They make it easy. Yes, I might be able to find these files on Google, but I am not directed towards it, nor is it promoted in any way as the primary purpose for the site.

Nowhere have I said that every torrent search site is engaged in this activity. We are talking about the Pirate Bay, and I am saying that if you look at the Pirate Bay it is very clear that they promote illegal downloading of files.
7444  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Pirate Bay loses trial on: April 17, 2009, 07:57:36 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on April 17, 2009, 07:43:04 PM

Quote from: Teggy on April 17, 2009, 07:23:47 PM

Why would I logically create a search engine for illegal filesharing that gives links to illegal files and expect that people will just look at the file listings but not actually download them?

How can you tell the difference (aside from "they have a scary name") between a torrent site that's specifically intending to guide people to illegal content and one that is just helping you find whatever content you're looking without policing the legality of your searches?  

I don't understand this - have you guys never visited the Pirate Bay? You go there and you can immediately click on links to download illegal copies of tv shows, click other links that go directly to illegal copies of games, etc.  Have you ever been to Google? What do you get when you click on the video link? Is there a link to download games?

I don't care if The Pirate Bay was called The Tuna Fish Shack, any person with half a brain can see what it is for just by looking at it, just as they can with Google.

(and Pug, I don't mean to imply you don't have half a brain, I just couldn't come up with a better way of saying that smile )
7445  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Pirate Bay loses trial on: April 17, 2009, 07:23:47 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on April 17, 2009, 06:26:51 PM

This reminds me of the 90s when there was an uproar about that website that told you how to make pipe bombs and homemade TNT.

They were telling you how to do illegal things but they weren't telling you to do illegal things, nor were they actively assisting anyone in any particular illegal deeds.  Was the website against the law?

In my mind the wrongdoing is on the people who misuse the information, not on the people who merely display the information.

I definitely disagree. Why would I logically create a search engine for illegal filesharing that gives links to illegal files and expect that people will just look at the file listings but not actually download them? There is another site out there that tracks how many sites are defaced by "hackers" (script kiddies, more likely). People report when a site is defaced, usually the person who did the defacing, and then the site posts who has done the most defacing. I wrote to the guy who ran the site and explained to him that he is essentially giving incentive to people to deface other people's sites (the reason I found out about it was because some idiot defaced the message board for a site for dog owners in my local area). The guy wrote back and gave the same basic excuse - he's just providing information. I'm sorry, but this just doesn't hold water. There is a huge difference between having a small amount of illegal/offensive activity happening on a medium that is clearly designed for legitimate means (prank phone calls, or the aforementioned Google), and something that is clearly designed to support illegal activity. There a pretty easy smell test for these things, and I frankly find the TPB defense to be an insult to my intelligence.

If their goal is to reform DRM laws or something along those lines, that's admirable. But if your method is to very clearly facilitate illegal activity, don't come crying to me when you get busted.

That said, I'm surprised they went with jail time. Should be a good deterrent, though.
7446  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Pirate Bay loses trial on: April 17, 2009, 01:41:02 PM
Yeah, I've always found it kind of hard to buy the TPB's argument when the name of their site is The PIRATE Bay. It doesn't really matter what the site can be used for. It is abundantly clear what it is there to facilitate.
7447  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Gamestop Article on: April 16, 2009, 03:25:42 PM

Quote from: Misguided on April 16, 2009, 03:19:59 PM

Quote from: kadnod on April 16, 2009, 02:31:45 AM

I certainly don't have a problem with the perk itself.   I've met a lot of really nice GS employees over the years and they deserve it.  But if GS was really committed to training its employees, they could certainly eat the cost of selling games utilized for perk/training to consumers at the used price. 

I think you make reasonable points, but I also don't think selling a game borrowed out as used would work, as it would end up getting sold for less than cost. Frankly, if they said tomorrow that only used games could be checked out, I wouldn't have a problem with that, except for the fact that when we got our first copy of something traded in, somebody would want to borrow it instead of selling it.

The used price on a new game at Gamestop is generally $5 less than new (54.95 often). That is less than cost?
7448  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Name that movie on: April 16, 2009, 02:37:37 PM

Quote from: Purge on April 16, 2009, 02:29:13 PM

Mumford?

Yes. Nice little movie if you haven't seen it. I think it is replaying on cable this month.

I will assume you didn't take the multiple opportunities I provided to cheat smile
7449  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Name that movie on: April 16, 2009, 01:54:58 PM
I'll add another actor...

7450  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Game of the Month Discussion, Mar/Apr 2009: Deus Ex Game of the Year on: April 16, 2009, 01:43:52 AM

Quote from: Scraper on April 16, 2009, 01:36:20 AM

Quote from: disarm on April 16, 2009, 01:27:44 AM

Quote from: Godzilla Blitz on April 15, 2009, 10:50:36 PM

Is the PSP version of God of War just an enhanced version of the original PS2 version? Or are the stories and content pretty different?

the PSP GoW is it's own game, with a story that takes place before the events of either of the PS2 games. 

personally, i'll be voting for God of War as the next GotM...been wanting to play the series ever since i picked up my PS3 almost nine months ago, and GotM would give me the perfect excuse to pick them up icon_cool

Actually GoW PSP takes place between GoW1 and GoW2. It's a really good game too. The only down side to it is that it can be beaten in about 6 hours.

Chains of Olympus takes place prior to the original God of War.
7451  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Original Rainbow Six coming to GOG.Com on: April 15, 2009, 08:21:40 PM
I played through the original and Eagle Watch a couple of years ago for the first time. I really got in to the planning stuff because I liked the concept of beating the terrorists based on good planning and not on how quickly I could flick my mouse around the screen. I remember I spent a very long time on the first map, which was a 3 story building with hostages. I got it so I could play as one team and the other two teams could carry out their missions without any intervention on my part. Very cool, and you could finish the entire level in a minute or two with good planning. I think that was the goal - a successful anti-terrorist attack has to be swift and coordinated.

However, that concept didn't really work for the game as a whole. Sometimes you would run the exact same route and your guys would get killed. Trying to get a team to flash and clear a room on their own was a real pain and rarely worked (they did manage to get this a bit better in the later console versions). So, what you wound up doing was using the plans to get your teams to certain points and then taking over to do the more sensitive work - the strategy guide backed this up. I still had fun with the game, though and liked the realistic nature - even though the tangos could one-shot you, you could do the same to them, and very often your teammates would take down people before you even moved your crosshairs.

Rogue Spear added the full-on spectator mode, which made me really want to be able to make working plans. However, I had been playing too much Rainbow Six at that point and got a little burnt out, so I stopped playing after the first map. I should give it another go sometime.

7452  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Name that movie on: April 15, 2009, 02:14:58 PM
Yes, I will confirm that.
7453  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Name that movie on: April 15, 2009, 01:58:49 PM


Hopefully this works better - don't look at the image name again smile
7454  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Name that movie on: April 15, 2009, 02:25:16 AM
 wasted me not so good at this.
7455  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Name that movie on: April 15, 2009, 01:57:47 AM
Don't look at the filename...

7456  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Collectors Edition Games gone mad (Ghostbusters) on: April 14, 2009, 11:50:56 PM
But it comes with Slimer! They should at least give you copies of the original 2 movies at that price.
7457  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Name that movie on: April 14, 2009, 11:19:56 PM
Once Upon a Time In America
7458  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Sony: Microsoft “writes cheques” thanks to first-party line-up insecurity on: April 14, 2009, 08:57:55 PM

Quote from: Purge on April 14, 2009, 08:28:14 PM

See, a cheque is recognized everywhere except in the States... I suppose they check instead.

It's pretty common to see the term "traveler's cheques" in the US. Maybe so when you use them in a foreign country, they'll know what it is you're handing them.
7459  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you playing this weekend [Long weekend edition] on: April 14, 2009, 04:34:40 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on April 13, 2009, 05:16:35 PM

Quote from: Teggy on April 13, 2009, 01:58:56 AM

I realized that I have had Heavenly Sword hanging around since the $20 Thanksgiving deal, so I took the opportunity to quickly knock that out of my backlog.

How did you like it?

I gave it a 7 out of 10. It's very hard to not look at it as a God of War clone, and viewed that way, it comes up lacking. Extremely short, only 1 weapon (outside of the occasional use of projectiles), no magic, no weapon upgrades, and simplistic puzzles. You get the secondary character, but she controls a bit wonky at times. The cutscenes were impressive and acting was well done (although kind of over the top at times). The combo system was interesting, but it was very easy to rely on 1 or 2 combos to get the job done.  Now that I am describing it, maybe a 7 is too generous. I appreciated the production values, but it's hard not to look at the finished product and feel like half the game was missing - almost like an extended demo where you get to try out a couple of the weapons and fight a couple of bosses.
7460  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [LTTP] Shadow Hearts on: April 14, 2009, 03:04:13 PM
correct
7461  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [LTTP] Shadow Hearts on: April 14, 2009, 03:00:10 AM
Played a little more so now I am 2:15 in. I didn't get killed by either of the first 2 bosses, which is pretty impressive for me  icon_mrgreen Hopefully that bodes well for the difficulty level. Combat is interesting, sort of a cross between MLB: The Show and Final Fantasy  icon_lol

I already have Shadow Hearts: Covenant in Goozex and should get it before too long. Luckily, I managed to get this one first. I will look out for this sea beast thing.

By the way, did any of you play Koudelka? I haven't quite gathered from reading stuff on the net whether there is anything really meaningful that carries over from that game to this game. At the beginning of the game it sort of gave the impression that you had met Yuri before and maybe covered his past in Koudelka, but from what I have read that isn't the case.
7462  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / [LTTP] Shadow Hearts on: April 14, 2009, 12:33:43 AM
Started the game tonight (yes, I know I was playing FFXII, but I needed a break from it. I'll definitely going be going back). My first impression of the 90 or so minutes I have played - the people who made this game are pretty messed up. There have already been jokes about molesting sleeping girls, oral sex, homosexuals and cannibalism. But it seems pretty interesting and I'm looking forward to continuing on with it.
7463  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you playing this weekend [Long weekend edition] on: April 13, 2009, 01:58:56 AM
I realized that I have had Heavenly Sword hanging around since the $20 Thanksgiving deal, so I took the opportunity to quickly knock that out of my backlog. Also played a few missions of The Lost and Damned and made a little more progress on Deus Ex.
7464  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: [back up your HD] I am an idiot on: April 11, 2009, 08:47:59 PM

Quote from: SkyLander on April 11, 2009, 07:14:23 PM


I don't have a lot of hope of getting anything off the drive - it doesn't sound like it is even operational anymore (makes some sad sounding clicks and thumps is about it). I'll probably take it into the Apple store next week to see if they are able to mount the drive in firewire target mode. If I want to use spinrite, I'll have to install the drive in a pc, and I don't have any desktop pc's right now.
7465  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / [back up your HD] I am an idiot on: April 11, 2009, 05:27:53 PM
A month or so ago I purchased a 1TB backup drive. However, I never got around to backing up my computer. Last night, without warning, my HD appeared to die a horrible death (I can't even see the drive using my disk utility).

I am going to try some things, but based on what I am seeing I am not too hopeful. Luckily, due to current technology, it's not the end of the world. All of my e-mail is stored on Gmail, music can be retrieved off of my iPods, audiobooks can be redownloaded from Audible, etc. However, some things I will likely not be able to recover, including pictures I took during vacations and around my wedding that don't have backups, and some older documents that I might have wanted - I'm kind of furious with myself.

So here's your call to action - go back up your data.
7466  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Game of the Month Discussion, Mar/Apr 2009: Deus Ex Game of the Year on: April 11, 2009, 05:09:25 PM
I'm currently
Spoiler for Hiden:
boarding the ship in the navy yard

I took a few days off because I was getting a little burned out, but I should play some more this weekend. If you read the setup to that visual walkthrough, the writer actually recommends playing through HK and then coming back at a later date to play the second half of the game, given its length. I'm not going to do that since I want to finish in the allotted time, but I thought it was interesting that what I was experiencing wasn't out of the ordinary.

I would pass on GoW because I pretty recently played both GoW2 and Chains of Olympus, but people should certainly vote it if they want it. I was browsing through the older 360 titles in the 75-85% rating category (similar to Gun) and spotted things like The Darkness and Lost Planet - there are games that got average reviews but people sometimes speak highly of.
7467  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Oldboy remake? With who? on: April 10, 2009, 08:03:03 PM

Quote from: kathode on April 10, 2009, 07:55:05 PM

Will Smith has shown he can do serious roles, but clearly it will be a very different movie.  More of a Battlestar Galactica type remake than a strict do-over is what I would imagine.  Anyway, you should see the original.  I really thought it was great.

I believe the reviews I have read that have said it is very good, but they have also led me to believe it might be a little too disturbing/gory for my tastes.
7468  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Final Fantasy VII now on Japan PSN on: April 10, 2009, 06:13:43 PM

Quote from: Ridah on April 10, 2009, 05:57:29 PM

They should remake the fucking game already! Not all of us got a chance to play the game, but it's too old to revisit. 3D simply does not age like 2D...

There's actually a Chinese 2D remake that they did for the Famicom. Pretty funny stuff.
7469  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Oldboy remake? With who? on: April 10, 2009, 05:38:26 PM
Was reading Rottentomates and paused upon this tidbit:

Quote
Protosevich is also working on the Oldboy remake for Steven Spielberg to direct and Will Smith to star

 eek

I haven't seen the original movie, but I know enough about it for this to sound insane.
7470  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Gamestop Article on: April 10, 2009, 03:57:04 PM
Coincidentally, this was posted yesterday

http://kotaku.com/5205385/gamestop-sells-played-games-as-new-sources-say-practice-could-be-illegal?skyline=true&s=x
7471  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Assassin's Creed 2 Teaser Site...cool interactive features included! on: April 10, 2009, 03:49:25 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on April 10, 2009, 03:32:28 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on April 10, 2009, 03:11:04 PM

Quote from: Teggy on April 10, 2009, 02:41:19 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on April 10, 2009, 02:20:33 PM

Here's Altair 2 (The image name says Ezio)





Interesting that 1) he's got two blades and 2) his fingers are intact.

2 blades is one of the new things I guess.  Also the fingers thing was Altair, so since this is a new "relative" he doesn't need to have his finger removed.

IIRC even the girl (can't remember future chicks name) from the first one also had her finger removed.  it had something to do with the blade needing an open spot to properly pop out. 

Yes, this is what I meant. It was a little unclear if Lucy actually was missing her finger or she was just making a gesture so Desmond would get the idea (I just finished the game last night). You'd think that if Lucy was missing her finger that the corporation would be a bit suspicious of her and not let her work on their top secret projects.
7472  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Assassin's Creed 2 Teaser Site...cool interactive features included! on: April 10, 2009, 02:41:19 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on April 10, 2009, 02:20:33 PM

Here's Altair 2 (The image name says Ezio)





Interesting that 1) he's got two blades and 2) his fingers are intact.
7473  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Final Fantasy VII now on Japan PSN on: April 10, 2009, 01:50:07 PM
yeah, I just got rid of my green label copy for essentially $50. Guess it was good timing.
7474  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: all you horror folks - "Drag Me to Hell"? on: April 10, 2009, 01:41:31 AM
So, it sounds like it does have comic bits? I'll have to wait to hear more.
7475  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Billy Bob Thornton is a douchebag on: April 09, 2009, 09:05:09 PM
Well, here's the thing - yesterday most people didn't even know BBT had a band, and today they do.
7476  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: [GoGamer]Little Big Planet $21.90 on: April 09, 2009, 07:38:47 PM
Is there a demo on PSN?
7477  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: [GoGamer]Little Big Planet $21.90 on: April 09, 2009, 07:25:41 PM

Quote from: GatorFavre on April 09, 2009, 07:11:25 PM

Quote from: Teggy on April 09, 2009, 07:05:28 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on March 18, 2009, 03:32:29 PM

Whoever owns a PS3 and doesn't own this game, you're seriously out of your mind.

Every week when you log on, there are new and fantastic levels to play.


What if I really don't enjoy 2D platformers? Is it good enough to overcome that? (I love 3D platfomers, but I've never been able to get into 2D platformers - I find the limited range of movement to be frustrating, especially if it requires you to deal with enemies).

I would say you probably won't like it.  It's more like 2.5D but plays like a 2D platformer with floaty controls. 

OK. I just want to make sure TML doesn't think I'm out of my mind slywink
7478  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: [GoGamer]Little Big Planet $21.90 on: April 09, 2009, 07:05:28 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on March 18, 2009, 03:32:29 PM

Whoever owns a PS3 and doesn't own this game, you're seriously out of your mind.

Every week when you log on, there are new and fantastic levels to play.


What if I really don't enjoy 2D platformers? Is it good enough to overcome that? (I love 3D platfomers, but I've never been able to get into 2D platformers - I find the limited range of movement to be frustrating, especially if it requires you to deal with enemies).
7479  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Angels' rookie pitcher killed in hit and run following first start of season on: April 09, 2009, 05:20:55 PM

Quote from: naednek on April 09, 2009, 05:18:13 PM

Quote
Adenhart, of Silver Spring, Md., was the Angels' No. 3 starter. He threw six scoreless innings Wednesday night in his fourth major-league start and first of the season. Oakland won the game 6-4.

Ok I'm not trying to be insensitive here, but this is confusing.  He's a rookie, to me that means this is his first year in MLB.  The season started on Sunday Night, but the article states that it's his fourth major-league start.  Are they talking about preseason?  I thought preseason doesn't count.

Well, they may be talking about the technical definition of rookie, as in eligible for rookie of the year. You are allowed a certain amount of playtime before losing rookie eligibility.

Quote
Eligibility requirements were set forth in 1971 and a rookie was formally defined as a player with less than one-hundred thirty at-bats, a pitcher with less than fifty innings pitched, or anyone with less than forty-five days on any Major League roster.
7480  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Angels' rookie pitcher killed in hit and run following first start of season on: April 09, 2009, 04:52:30 PM
http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/story/11612075

Pretty horrible, although equally horrible for the other 2 people killed in the crash.
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