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7121  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Pirate Bay loses trial on: April 29, 2009, 12:12:10 AM

Quote from: TiLT on April 28, 2009, 04:15:15 AM

Quote from: brettmcd on April 27, 2009, 07:26:35 PM

I dont believe for a second that pirates bay was used 'extensively' for legal means, as its just not true.   So no new arguments need to be brought.

Then stop being a knucklehead and go there to search for yourself. The site is up. You don't have to speculate or believe anything. The proof is available to anyone who is actually interested in serious discussion and isn't just participating in the thread in order to be trollish.

But wait! I'll do it for you, since you're obviously going to search for something like "The Dark Knight DVD rip" and complain that you're not seeing any legal results.

WoW patches: http://thepiratebay.org/search/wow%20patch/0/99/0
Game music remixes: http://thepiratebay.org/search/ocremix/0/99/0
Public domain books: http://thepiratebay.org/search/public%20domain%20books/0/99/0
Abandonware: http://thepiratebay.org/search/abandonware/0/99/0 (yes, I know Abandonware isn't strictly legal, but with HotU down, torrents are a very attractive alternative to something that would otherwise be unavailable to anyone, paying customer or not)
Patches in general: http://thepiratebay.org/search/patch/0/99/0
Linux: http://thepiratebay.org/browse/303

These were all generic searches, and with the exception of WoW I didn't search for a particular product. Yet all those search results are overflowing with legal torrents. So much for the "Pirate Bay isn't used for legal stuff" argument, eh?

Yes, you'll find the occasional illegal result among the searches above, just like on Google. If you absolutely have to go for a counterargument, please try to be more clever than using that one.

I really didn't want to get back into this argument, but people who are defending the Pirate Bay keep going down the same road - that you could find something legal on the Pirate Bay site.

I looked at all of these searches. The largest seeded torrent under the "Wow Patches" search is a set of illegal console ROMs. Most of the legal stuff has little to no seeds. The largest seeds for the "patches in general" search are cracks of Windows XP SP3 and Alcohol 150%. The largest seeds under "public domain books" is a set of hacking and cracking tools. There are basically 0 seeds under the "game music remixes" search.

However, this is immaterial. It doesn't matter what one theoretically could find on The Pirate Bay. What is important is how they organize their site, what they provide easy access to and (based on the case) what trackers they host.

I rarely agree with what brettmcd writes, but he is not trolling here. This is not an argument over the legality of torrents. It is not an argument over what would or would not happen if you suddenly made pirating or drugs or prostitution legal. It is an argument about what The Pirate Bay site is and what they did under current laws. They went out of their way to help people find pirated material, hosted trackers for pirated material, and most importantly resisted any effort from content owners to protect material that appeared in searches on their site.
7122  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The best fighting game ever is coming to XBL/PSN this summer! on: April 28, 2009, 06:03:22 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on April 28, 2009, 04:38:40 PM

Quote from: Teggy on April 28, 2009, 04:30:15 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on April 28, 2009, 03:51:17 PM

Quote from: EvilHomer3k on April 28, 2009, 03:22:37 PM

Quote from: GatorFavre on April 28, 2009, 03:18:31 AM

4D Boxing is coming to Xbox Live???????
Fixed.
You guys are bad at fixing things.

How does that even work? You can rewind if you don't like the punch that was just thrown?

You kids these days.  I'm talking of course about the greatest boxing game ever seen on this earth:


Well, as fighting games go, I could never really handle anything more complicated than Karate Champ for the Apple IIe biggrin
7123  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The best fighting game ever is coming to XBL/PSN this summer! on: April 28, 2009, 04:30:15 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on April 28, 2009, 03:51:17 PM

Quote from: EvilHomer3k on April 28, 2009, 03:22:37 PM

Quote from: GatorFavre on April 28, 2009, 03:18:31 AM

4D Boxing is coming to Xbox Live???????
Fixed.
You guys are bad at fixing things.

How does that even work? You can rewind if you don't like the punch that was just thrown?
7124  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: G.I.Joe: Resolute on: April 28, 2009, 02:29:32 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on April 26, 2009, 04:31:23 PM


I was curious about who Dialtone was when I was watching the cartoon, so I looked it up on the web. Dialtone has actually been a female before, in comics.
7125  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: CHUCK IS BACK! Chuck vs. The First Date Spoilers! on: April 28, 2009, 01:14:26 PM

Quote from: dmd on April 28, 2009, 12:51:41 PM

I didn't catch it....
Spoiler for Hiden:
do the new villains have a name?

when asked who they were, all they said was
Spoiler for Hiden:
"we're spies, the best"
7126  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Game of the Month Discussion, Mar/Apr 2009: Deus Ex Game of the Year on: April 28, 2009, 03:28:12 AM
I'm plan on finishing it, just not in April.  icon_redface
7127  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The best fighting game ever is coming to XBL/PSN this summer! on: April 28, 2009, 03:04:11 AM
I find it deeply disturbing that neither Wonderpug or Harkonis have posted in this thread. Someone call 911 slywink
7128  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Unusuals on: April 28, 2009, 01:38:58 AM
I've watched the first 3 episodes and I'm digging this.  thumbsup thumbsup
7129  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Quit giving your kids silly names on: April 27, 2009, 08:30:09 PM

Quote from: whiteboyskim on April 27, 2009, 08:16:40 PM

Quote from: kathode on April 27, 2009, 05:33:05 PM

On the subject of silly names though, my brother just had a baby boy about 10 days ago.  First and middle names - Max Danger.  Nope, not a joke thumbsup I hope he's cool.  If not, this could be a problem.

Clearly everyone in this thread is ignoring the sheer awesome of this name.

"Danger is my middle name" yeah, yeah, yeah.
7130  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie] Twilight...vampire flick on: April 27, 2009, 05:39:47 PM
So my wife decided she wanted to see this movie (she bought the blu-ray), but a friend at work told her she had to read the books first. So, in about a week or so she read through all 4 books. This is not really a great feat, because although the books are quite thick, there's about 3 words on each page. Seriously, it's like they figured they could just make the large type version for everyone so there would be no need for separate versions.

Anyway, she explains to me that the way vampires have fun is to play vampire baseball, which sounds like the stupidest thing I have ever heard (and a lame attempt to have a quidditch substitute). I figure that any smart writer/director would excise this from the filmed version, but I watched about 3/4 of the movie with her, and there it was. It may have been the most retarded scene I have ever seen in a movie.
7131  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [trailer] Moon on: April 27, 2009, 05:15:55 PM

Quote from: Moliere on April 27, 2009, 04:23:20 PM

Not to undermine the premise of the movie, but who would come up with the idea of putting a person alone on the moon for 3 years? That just seems like a recipe for disaster that no one outside of the University Psychology department would contemplate.

Oh, but he's not alone, he has that friendly not-HAL to keep him company. And I'm sure not-HAL has nothing do with any of this.
7132  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Free KFC tomorrow (Monday) on: April 26, 2009, 10:47:40 PM
I had the non-healthy version tonight  ninja
7133  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [LTTP] Shadow Hearts on: April 25, 2009, 04:41:51 PM
So I just finished up the first portion of the game (a little over 10 hours in). I went to look at a FAQ to get more information on the bosses I just fought and found out that

Spoiler for Hiden:
If you make Alice give specific answers during her torture scene, you open up a sidequest. However, that sidequest is back in Shanghai, and it requires you to leave Alice and Dehuai alone while the game is telling you that essentially you need to get to the top of the tower as quick as you can to prevent a catastrophe. It's not even clear from the FAQs that the game gives you any idea that the sidequest exists even if you have unlocked it. That's good game design?
7134  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Game of the Month Club: May 2009 Game Voting on: April 24, 2009, 08:00:49 PM

Quote from: Godzilla Blitz on April 24, 2009, 07:39:25 PM

Quote from: disarm on April 24, 2009, 05:56:00 PM

awesome...now i just need to find a cheap copy...

Some thoughts...

I was in a GameCrazy over lunch and they had a used copy for $9. I think they are even running a buy two get one free used game sale on games under $10.

At the moment, Half.com has 22 "like new" copies starting from $6.50 plus $3.50 shipping, so you can probably find one there from a good seller for $10 to $12. Linkie.

Goozex has copies available if you are down with the trading thing. (or you could essentially buy a copy for $15 - actual cost about $8.50, but you have to buy groups of points/trade tokens).
7135  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 04/24/09 on: April 24, 2009, 07:03:31 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on April 24, 2009, 05:08:39 PM

Quote from: Teggy on April 24, 2009, 04:54:50 PM

Would it kill them to flash a low battery indicator on the screen?). If I'm good I'll also work on Deus Ex a bit.

That wouldn't teach you discipline now would it.

Also, that little power light blinks for a pretty good length before it shuts off....

Yes, but they put the little light directly under your thumb, so you actually have to remove your hand from the device to notice that you are running low on battery. The PS3 tells you onscreen when your controller is running low on battery, the PSP should do the same.
7136  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 04/24/09 on: April 24, 2009, 04:54:50 PM
Pushing forward on Shadow Hearts (about 9 hours in) and I'll probably try to make some progress on Killzone:Liberation (It looked like I was finally about to beat the boss the end of chapter 3 after about 30 tries when my battery died  mad Would it kill them to flash a low battery indicator on the screen?). If I'm good I'll also work on Deus Ex a bit.
7137  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] Red Faction: Guerrilla demo is out! on: April 24, 2009, 03:12:28 PM
I've seen a little bit of this on X-Play but couldn't get a complete handle on it. Does it sort of work like Mercenaries, but on another planet?
7138  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Miss California's Answer to Controversial Issue Sparks Controversy on: April 23, 2009, 05:14:20 PM

Quote from: Moliere on April 23, 2009, 04:58:32 PM

Quote from: Teggy on April 23, 2009, 04:46:42 PM

There are plenty of rules regarding age of consent, so you can't marry a child.
With a wide disparity between the ages of consent.  9?!


I believe there are separate laws for consent to sex and consent to marriage, although that age is also very low in some countries. Without parental consent, it's generally 18 in the US (which is what we are talking about here, after all smile ).
7139  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Game of the Month Club: May 2009 Game Voting on: April 23, 2009, 04:48:08 PM

Quote from: Godzilla Blitz on April 23, 2009, 04:46:17 PM

Bumpity Bump for the last 24 hours of voting. Last chance to vote!

I'm going to add my vote to God of War.

Totals to Date:
God of War: 6
Castlevania: 3
The Darkness: 3
Gun: 0

Hey GB - your FF blog doesn't seem to be working. I was kind of curious how you were progressing on that with all this GOTM playing smile
7140  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Miss California's Answer to Controversial Issue Sparks Controversy on: April 23, 2009, 04:46:42 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on April 23, 2009, 03:11:24 PM


Quote
As a Christian I believe marriage is one man one woman. As an American, I still believe that, but should it only be that? Not sure.  Does allowing gay marriage open the door for other 'unions'? Maybe.
I don't see a slippery slope here.  If some guy wants to hump his toaster, that problem will solve itself.

I always get a little annoyed by the slippery slope argument because it is clear that a marriage has to happen between consenting parties. A dog or a pig can't consent, so you can't marry one. There are plenty of rules regarding age of consent, so you can't marry a child.

HOWEVER, I can't say I have a good argument against polygamy/polyandry. You have to somehow protect against the FLDS/Waco situations, but I suppose it's possible for some group of consenting adults to want to make some sort of commitment, and I really wouldn't have problem with that. Someone would have to work out the tax implications, though (as Purge mentioned while I was composing this, apparently).
7141  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Pirate Bay loses trial on: April 23, 2009, 04:24:01 PM

Quote from: farley2k on April 23, 2009, 04:01:01 PM


Quote
“We have approached Google and told them about this. We have asked them if they want to be our opponents or our partners. We have ten people in London working with them on a daily basis [to make illegal music unavailable]. If Google had indicated they would be our opponent, we would have taken them to court.”


So much for all those arguments about how Google is different because it isn't their main goal, or they don't advertise it....Google isn't sued because they have already given in.  I don't know that is bad but I do think it is interesting.

I also mentioned that Google takes down copyrighted material when asked, which is what this says.
7142  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Do you remember the first time? on: April 23, 2009, 03:48:20 PM
In 1991 when I was a college freshman, a somewhat more geeky friend at another college told me to check into email access. I know we definitely didn't call it the internet at that time. I had access to two servers, one Vax and the other is escaping me, and I used that to email friends at other schools. Cornell uses your initials for your net ID, followed by a number representing if you are the first, second, third, etc. person with the same initials to get the ID. I got the first ID with my initials, which I thought was cool (still have it and use it as a forwarding address). I would also visit MUDs from those servers during freshman year.

I can't recall exactly the first time I used the WWW. I know a friend of mine clued me into Mosaic, and I think I started using it in 1994. I definitely remember using it from the broadband connection we had at the student union.

First home broadband I can't recall exactly. It was Comcast, probably around 2000-2001.
7143  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PSP] Killzone Liberation on: April 22, 2009, 03:28:28 PM

Quote from: Dante Rising on April 22, 2009, 03:13:13 PM

Quote from: Teggy on April 22, 2009, 02:35:26 PM

Grr...the stupid walking tank boss at the end of chapter 3 is driving me insane.

You can change the difficulty before each mission.


But then I'd have to replay the whole mission to get back to the boss. And I'd be a wuss, although I've never had a problem with that before. So...but I'd have to replay the whole mission!
7144  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PSP] Killzone Liberation on: April 22, 2009, 02:35:26 PM
Grr...the stupid walking tank boss at the end of chapter 3 is driving me insane.
7145  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [LTTP] Shadow Hearts on: April 22, 2009, 02:01:14 AM

Quote from: Gratch on April 22, 2009, 01:50:04 AM

Quote from: Teggy on April 22, 2009, 12:54:25 AM

So, I am about 5.5 hours in and I just finished the Sea Mother parts. I didn't find it all that odd or anything. Were you just referring to the storytelling part where there was a voiceover?



Were you playing with the sound on?

Sluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurp.  Sluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurp.  Sluuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurp

I guess I'm just used to bad voice acting smile
7146  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [LTTP] Shadow Hearts on: April 22, 2009, 12:54:25 AM
So, I am about 5.5 hours in and I just finished the Sea Mother parts. I didn't find it all that odd or anything. Were you just referring to the storytelling part where there was a voiceover?
7147  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: If you were planning to wow your significant other by cooking dinner... on: April 21, 2009, 11:14:41 PM
My wife's favorite is beef wellington, which definitely got us some wows when we served it at an xmas party a few years ago. Takes a bit of work though because you can screw up the port wine sauce.
7148  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Miss California's Answer to Controversial Issue Sparks Controversy on: April 21, 2009, 10:18:11 PM
It probably wasn't really a fair question to ask, and PH's response was poor. However, she certainly could have handled it a lot better, and that's sort of what being Miss USA or Miss America or whatever is all about. First of all, she said, "in my country" and then corrected herself by saying, "in my family", and at that point she had strayed for a moment into self-righteousness and was kind of screwed. She should have been trained to give diplomatic answers to questions like these like, "it may not be what I believe in, but I do believe that everyone should have their rights protected. We have a government for and by the people and I think the will of the people will decide this issue in the future." Answer the question, but don't answer the question, and don't make waves. Her coaches should have taught her to handle these things.
7149  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Palm's new "Pre" phone/Web OS at CES (Palm's last stand?) on: April 21, 2009, 06:51:30 PM

Quote from: Blackjack on April 20, 2009, 03:17:32 PM

If you care deeply about Angelina Jolie's brief impressions of the Pre (she's apparently using one, along with a few other celebrity types), read on:
http://www.precentral.net/angelina-jolie-mini-reviews-pre
Quote
"I asked her how she likes the phone," a production assistant on the set of Salt told me. "She went on about it for about two minutes. She basically said she likes the software better than the iPhone, she likes the thumboard for texting (although the keys aren't big enough), and thinks the screen is beautiful but can be too easily scratched."

That's cool, it sounds like an honest review instead of sounding like they made a deal with her to rave about it.
7150  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie] The Ruins on: April 21, 2009, 06:47:32 PM

Quote from: Crawley on April 21, 2009, 06:37:38 PM

This one had crummy reviews so I was expecting bad when I went to watch it but it wasn't quite as bad as I thought it would be. Since it was by the Simple Plan author I was still hoping for bet...hang on a sec...I think my cell phone is ringing..

Yeah, that bit was creepy.
7151  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Game of the Month Club: May 2009 Game Voting on: April 21, 2009, 01:59:38 PM
I haven't played a DS game in a while, so I'm actually going to vote Castlevania.

BTW, I'm still planning to finish DX, it just might not be in April. I got kind of burned out on it, but I'll probably go back to it this weekend. I'm at the point where

Spoiler for Hiden:
you have sunk the ship and are escaping. I ran into the pack of spiders blocking your way but didn't have any EMP grenades left. I tried getting past them a few times without success. I think I can get by them while taking a bunch of damage, but at the time I was getting a little frustrated so I shut down
7152  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / [movie] The Ruins on: April 20, 2009, 06:45:30 PM
I seem to have gotten into this bad habit of clicking on to horror movies before bed. The other night it was Saw IV (which had some really bad acting and some horrible editing, but was kind of engaging due to the traps) and then Saturday night it was The Ruins. This is one of those cases where I thought I was watching a suspense/thriller and it turned out I was I was watching a fairly gory movie (similar to when I watched Event Horizon). There is some messed up stuff in that movie.

I wound up surfing afterword to find something to "cleanse the palate" and wound up on "Lost and Delirious", which wound up not being exactly what I thought either.
7153  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 04/17/09 on: April 20, 2009, 04:10:30 PM
I was home alone all weekend and didn't play a single game - I got a new Macbook last week and I spent a ton of time playing with iMovie and GarageBand. I am clearly obsessed. I did download demos for Call of Duty and Lego Batman because I was curious how the new graphics chip performed.
7154  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: 9 on: April 20, 2009, 02:55:28 AM
Kind of reminds me of skinny sackboys, and then there's this shot in the trailer:



But yeah, looks neat.
7155  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Pirate Bay loses trial on: April 19, 2009, 01:12:52 AM

Quote from: Victoria Raverna on April 19, 2009, 12:02:50 AM

Quote from: Teggy on April 18, 2009, 07:23:03 PM

Quote from: Victoria Raverna on April 18, 2009, 01:45:03 AM


If for example a drug smuggler is using a BMV to smuggle stuff into US, do you think it make sense for the police to arrest the maker of BMW?

And if BMW called the model the "Drug Runner SE" and put the locations of the easiest to infiltrate border crossings on the dashboard, would that fly?

Your argument is a straw man.

Calling a model "Drug Runner SE" breaks what law? Printing maps on dashboard breaks what law?



They could theoretically be charged with facilitating the act of smuggling, which is essentially what TPB was charged with. Again, they were not charged with the theft itself, only assisting others in doing it.
7156  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Pirate Bay loses trial on: April 18, 2009, 07:23:03 PM

Quote from: Victoria Raverna on April 18, 2009, 01:45:03 AM


If for example a drug smuggler is using a BMV to smuggle stuff into US, do you think it make sense for the police to arrest the maker of BMW?

And if BMW called the model the "Drug Runner SE" and put the locations of the easiest to infiltrate border crossings on the dashboard, would that fly?

Your argument is a straw man.
7157  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Pirate Bay loses trial on: April 17, 2009, 09:28:24 PM

Quote from: farley2k on April 17, 2009, 09:21:41 PM

Quote from: Razgon on April 17, 2009, 09:06:54 PM

Since they were sentenced, yes, they broke the law. And no, Google, yahoo and MS wasnt, so they didnt break the law.

And if a website points me with 2 clicks without me typing in anything towards illegal stuff, then clearly its intended to work that way

2. Yes it is intended to make piracy easier.  Is intention a crime?  If I see a guy with a fifty dollar bill hanging out of his pocket and I intend to steal it can the police arrest me?  Even if I haven't stolen it yet?  Even if my intention was clear?  

They were charged with accessory, not the theft. If I find a bank with an open door and put up a bunch of signs leading to it that says "free money" , I'm pretty sure I can get charged with accessory to theft even if I don't take any of the money.
7158  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Pirate Bay loses trial on: April 17, 2009, 09:21:04 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on April 17, 2009, 08:56:27 PM

Quote from: Teggy on April 17, 2009, 08:43:50 PM

I don't see how this is remotely the same. They are not just suspicious looking. I go to their site and click on "tv shows" and I get directories for television shows so I can download any episode I want (by season - we are not talking commercials, clips, interviews, whatever. Nothing in those directories is legal). They are actively directing people toward downloading illegal files. They make it easy. Yes, I might be able to find these files on Google, but I am not directed towards it, nor is it promoted in any way as the primary purpose for the site.

Nowhere have I said that every torrent search site is engaged in this activity. We are talking about the Pirate Bay, and I am saying that if you look at the Pirate Bay it is very clear that they promote illegal downloading of files.

Person C creates a website called "FreeTVandMovies.com," and all it does is take what you type into the input bar, add "filetype:torrent" to the search string, and plug it into Google.

All Person C is doing is adding a small bit of text to your search string.  Is that illegal?  Is it more illegal since they have a suspicious sounding name and it's 'clear what they're doing?'  Is Google more illegal because of the existence of FreeTVandMovies.com?

If their goal is to spread the use of illegal files, then yes, I will argue that what they are doing is at minimum wrong (and possibly illegal if the law allows). I think what people are missing is intent. If a person runs out in front of my car I will not be charged with murder because I did not intend to kill that person. If I see a person and purposefully run them down I am guilty of murder. The intent of Google is to allow people to search for stuff, share pictures, make spreadsheets, get voicemail, among many other things, and they will remove copyrighted material when requested. The intent of The Pirate Bay is to PIRATE. Maybe for some reason you don't think so, but the court disagreed.
7159  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Pirate Bay loses trial on: April 17, 2009, 08:43:50 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on April 17, 2009, 08:17:16 PM

Quote from: Teggy on April 17, 2009, 07:57:36 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on April 17, 2009, 07:43:04 PM

Quote from: Teggy on April 17, 2009, 07:23:47 PM

Why would I logically create a search engine for illegal filesharing that gives links to illegal files and expect that people will just look at the file listings but not actually download them?

How can you tell the difference (aside from "they have a scary name") between a torrent site that's specifically intending to guide people to illegal content and one that is just helping you find whatever content you're looking without policing the legality of your searches?  

I don't understand this - have you guys never visited the Pirate Bay? You go there and you can immediately click on links to download illegal copies of tv shows, click other links that go directly to illegal copies of games, etc.  Have you ever been to Google? What do you get when you click on the video link? Is there a link to download games?

I don't care if The Pirate Bay was called The Tuna Fish Shack, any person with half a brain can see what it is for just by looking at it, just as they can with Google.

(and Pug, I don't mean to imply you don't have half a brain, I just couldn't come up with a better way of saying that smile )

Just look at him!  He's clearly the murderer because he's so suspicious looking!


I don't see how this is remotely the same. They are not just suspicious looking. I go to their site and click on "tv shows" and I get directories for television shows so I can download any episode I want (by season - we are not talking commercials, clips, interviews, whatever. Nothing in those directories is legal). They are actively directing people toward downloading illegal files. They make it easy. Yes, I might be able to find these files on Google, but I am not directed towards it, nor is it promoted in any way as the primary purpose for the site.

Nowhere have I said that every torrent search site is engaged in this activity. We are talking about the Pirate Bay, and I am saying that if you look at the Pirate Bay it is very clear that they promote illegal downloading of files.
7160  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Pirate Bay loses trial on: April 17, 2009, 07:57:36 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on April 17, 2009, 07:43:04 PM

Quote from: Teggy on April 17, 2009, 07:23:47 PM

Why would I logically create a search engine for illegal filesharing that gives links to illegal files and expect that people will just look at the file listings but not actually download them?

How can you tell the difference (aside from "they have a scary name") between a torrent site that's specifically intending to guide people to illegal content and one that is just helping you find whatever content you're looking without policing the legality of your searches?  

I don't understand this - have you guys never visited the Pirate Bay? You go there and you can immediately click on links to download illegal copies of tv shows, click other links that go directly to illegal copies of games, etc.  Have you ever been to Google? What do you get when you click on the video link? Is there a link to download games?

I don't care if The Pirate Bay was called The Tuna Fish Shack, any person with half a brain can see what it is for just by looking at it, just as they can with Google.

(and Pug, I don't mean to imply you don't have half a brain, I just couldn't come up with a better way of saying that smile )
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