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7081  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Killzone 2 - Single Player embargo lifted, new SP impressions and video on: February 25, 2009, 11:03:45 PM

Quote from: mikeg on February 25, 2009, 10:50:42 PM

that after battle playback is pretty friggin sweet.  Now that I love.

Yes, wow, that is amazing.
7082  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Street Fighter IV Impressions on: February 25, 2009, 10:28:36 PM
Thought you guys might find this interesting...

Guy who worked on SSFIIHD says SFIV isn't newb-friendly

Actually, the link I had to the article basically said he didn't think it was newb-friendly. If you read the article he kind of just generally trashes it.
7083  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Spring Training on: February 25, 2009, 09:15:20 PM
Well the Mets won their first game 9-3 against Baltimore. They are soooo going to the Series.
7084  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Most disturbing movie you've seen? on: February 25, 2009, 06:54:27 PM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on February 25, 2009, 06:36:17 PM

Quote from: Orgull on February 25, 2009, 06:26:08 PM

There was this war movie with Mark Hammill I saw part of once. It had a scene where several soldiers hiding in foxholes get run over by a tank. That made me sick. Dunno what movie that was though.

The Big Red One??

I'm pretty sure there is a scene in that movie where a guy gets shot in the crotch and the guy trying to help him out just tosses his nuts to the side.
7085  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Game of the Month Club: March 2009 Game Voting on: February 25, 2009, 06:49:44 PM
I have a Radeon 7500 mobility, so I'll be taking my crappy looking faces and liking them  icon_lol
7086  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: [360] Weekend World at War - Friday night CoD:WaW on: February 25, 2009, 05:57:28 PM
I'm sure it will get very hot again when the new maps come but the number of people playing it appears quite healthy, regardless. I think SF is the only recent MP game to pull people away.  That both CoD4 and CoD5 can stay in the top 5 together is damn impressive.
7087  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Game of the Month Club: March 2009 Game Voting on: February 25, 2009, 05:43:34 PM

Quote from: Octavious230 on February 25, 2009, 05:35:39 PM

I tried to play Invisible War last week for the first time and the beginning didn't grab me at all. Just started Deus Ex up again last night and I was enthralled from the beginning. Can't really put my finger on why... For such a old game Deus Ex sure holds up well minus the faces which are terrible. If they could redo those I wouldn't have much complaints with the gfx. AI is better then I even remember. Playing on hard and it's kicking my booty.  thumbsup

I think there are mods that make the characters look better, no?
7088  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Tomb Raider: Underworld on: February 25, 2009, 05:42:17 PM
I wound up picking this up 50% off at Circuit City and am partway into the Thailand level. I'm basically seeing what others saw with respect to the camera (both having trouble seeing where I am supposed to go and getting stuck in ridiculous stuttering views of the back of Lara's head) and the combat, but the platforming is exactly what I want in a Tomb Raider. The new rappel move is very cool and there are so many new realistic looking animations. The way Lara moves around when free-climbing and the way she walks down stairs (stolen from Uncharted, granted) often gives the impression that you're watching a real person.

One thing I don't like is that you can often see places in the level that you can't get to or aren't supposed to use yet. For example, in the Kraken room, you can see that there are a series of ledges on the upper level with a place to get down, and swing point on the ceiling to get over there. I figured that that might be a relic spot, so I spent a lot of time trying to get on to the top of the other side. Finally I gave up and found out that it was an area you visit on the way back, but I had no way of knowing. There was another similar area at the start of the Thailand level (at least I think it is).

And yeah, I'm sort of creeping myself out finding these videogame characters attractive  icon_lol I am having the same issue with Ashe in FFXII. Damn developers are getting a little too good. But I downloaded Lara's blue wetsuit, so I at least had to try it our, right? biggrin
7089  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Virtual On for the 360? Oh hell yeah! on: February 25, 2009, 02:36:53 PM

Quote from: Destructor on February 25, 2009, 01:52:38 PM

Cyber Troopers Virtual On Oratorio Tangram version 5.66

Now, that's the way to name a video game.
7090  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Game of the Month Club: March 2009 Game Voting on: February 25, 2009, 04:19:47 AM
How long is Deus Ex anyway? I have started it several times, the farthest in being I think
Spoiler for Hiden:
Shanghai? The bit where you have to escape some woman's building - a casino maybe?
I have no idea how far along I was.
7091  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (2/23) on: February 24, 2009, 08:27:00 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on February 24, 2009, 08:06:42 PM

I'm very seriously considering the 50 Cent game.  Every review I've read talks about how much damn fun it is.

The main thing holding me back is the soundtrack.  I'm not sure how much Fiddy I can take.

And the better you do at the game, the more songs you unlock!
7092  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] ideas for 4-player+ online games - non FPS, non racing on: February 24, 2009, 07:20:05 PM

Quote from: depward on February 24, 2009, 07:13:52 PM

Quote from: Teggy on February 24, 2009, 06:59:49 PM

Quote from: depward on February 24, 2009, 06:58:34 PM

NHL 09 EASHL league games.

Oh, interesting thought. There are definitely some hockey lovers in the group. What are the options there? Does everyone play on the same team? 2 vs 2?

Sweet.  Everyone plays on the same team.  You're player-locked into your own created player dude.  So the guy you'll have skating around on the ice for your team?  If his name is your real name, he'll have his name on the back of your jersey.  And when you score, it'll show your name.

You can (obviously) play up to six people per team.  You choose your position (center, left right wings, left right d or goalie) and play online against other teams.

All four of you can play.  The minimum requirement for you to be able to play an EASHL game is two.  So hey, if it's only you and a buddy that night, you can still play together.

It's really quite sweet and really well done.  You have stat tracking for everyone so you can see how many goals, assists, penalty minutes you've taken.  You can name your team and choose an existing team logo to use as your own.

Can you fill out the team with bots if you don't want randoms on your team? Can you also play 2 on 2 in regular games if we wanted to do that?
7093  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] ideas for 4-player+ online games - non FPS, non racing on: February 24, 2009, 07:08:12 PM

Quote from: PeteRock on February 24, 2009, 07:01:40 PM

Uno?

Seriously, I've played Uno with a number of GamingTrend members and we've had an absolute blast just sitting around, chatting, drinking beer, and playing cards, almost as if we were sitting in the same room.

I've had some fun playing XBLA Texas Hold-Em as well.  But Uno has always been a nice, relaxing distraction where you're able to chat with friends while simply playing cards.  

Yeah, the Burnout Paradise challenges have been really good along those lines. We have played a little Uno too, but I think we are looking for something with a little more onscreen action.
7094  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] ideas for 4-player+ online games - non FPS, non racing on: February 24, 2009, 06:59:49 PM

Quote from: depward on February 24, 2009, 06:58:34 PM

NHL 09 EASHL league games.

Oh, interesting thought. There are definitely some hockey lovers in the group. What are the options there? Does everyone play on the same team? 2 vs 2?
7095  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / [360] ideas for 4-player+ online games - non FPS, non racing on: February 24, 2009, 06:56:43 PM
OK, I guess this could technically go in multiplayer, but I thought it fit better here.

I have a group of buddies from college and we pretty literally live at opposite sides of the country (Boston, Chicago, Seattle, Austin). The one inexpensive way we try to get together is to arrange for time on Xbox live. One of the guys really doesn't like FPS (gets motion sickness), so our go-to game for a while has been Burnout (Takedown, and now Paradise). However, we are really looking for a change of pace and are trying to come up with something that is not a shooter or a racer. It should support 4 or more people, and while it can be competitive against randoms, being fun and only involving the 4 of us is definitely a plus.

Thoughts?
7096  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: WTF is up with the forum at the Wing Commander CiC? on: February 24, 2009, 06:45:00 PM

Quote from: Daehawk on February 24, 2009, 06:38:29 PM

I dont really recall. I think it was just a hi glad to be here hello to the forums post. I know it was nothing negative. In fact the only negative thing Ive said was Arena stinks hehe.

Yeah, let me rewrite the post as they probably read it:

Quote
Freespace rocks!. The Wing Commander people suck because they don't let you play their games anymore!

Play Freespace mods instead of Wing Commander! Anything that's come out with the Wing Commander name on it recently blows!

Freespace mods rock!

Daehawk

slywink
7097  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: California Plan: Make Money by Legalizing Marijuana on: February 24, 2009, 06:39:55 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on February 24, 2009, 06:20:34 PM

What do you do with all the people who are in jail for weed now? Grandfather them in? Or let them go?

If you are in jail for breaking the law, why should you get out just because the law changes? You still broke a law, and breaking a law means you should be punished.
7098  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Resident Evil 5 Limited Edition 360 on: February 24, 2009, 05:50:44 PM
Personally, I think it's ugly as sin, but that's a pretty nice deal. You get the game and SSFIIHD for free. The Halo 3 box didn't even include the game, although I think it came with the wireless headset?
7099  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: WTF is up with the forum at the Wing Commander CiC? on: February 24, 2009, 05:43:09 PM
Yeah, but it uses Freespace, a competing franchise...
7100  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: California Plan: Make Money by Legalizing Marijuana on: February 24, 2009, 05:34:10 PM
The only problem I see with it is they get an uproar from other states who will have to deal with it crossing their state lines or something. They'll have to make sure all the holes are covered (can't mail it out of state, etc.)
7101  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: WTF is up with the forum at the Wing Commander CiC? on: February 24, 2009, 05:31:51 PM
I would say they think that you are trying to promote non-WC stuff in the WC forum? I don't think what they did is reasonable, but it's a plausible explanation.
7102  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: So how much of a gaming nerd am I... on: February 24, 2009, 05:02:15 PM
If you've seen who the "biggest Halo Wars fan in the UK"  is Roll Eyes, you'd know it's not geeky at all to like Halo.

http://xbox.joystiq.com/2009/02/20/uk-woman-is-most-definitely-absolutely-the-1-halo-wars-fan/ (sorta NSFW)
7103  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Most disturbing movie you've seen? on: February 24, 2009, 04:35:04 PM

Quote from: kratz on February 24, 2009, 04:22:48 PM

I find it weird that people would list Man Bites Dog... I mean... it's a comedy.  Are we even talking about the same movie? About the Belgian serial killer?

I think the one scene that sticks with people is the
Spoiler for Hiden:
gang rape
. I think that the rated version may omit that scene.
7104  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: So how much of a gaming nerd am I... on: February 24, 2009, 03:53:01 PM

Quote from: Chaz on February 22, 2009, 09:09:12 PM

I own:

-a life-sized replica of Sting hanging in my living room


As in the musician? If it's Sting dressed as Feyd Rautha it would be a lot geekier.
7105  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (2/23) on: February 24, 2009, 03:46:21 PM
BTW, the Tomb Raider Underworld expansion "Beneath the Ashes" was released today for the 360 at 800pts.
7106  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: COD4 vs. COD5 on: February 24, 2009, 03:39:04 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on February 24, 2009, 03:21:41 PM

Quote from: Teggy on February 23, 2009, 06:02:13 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on February 23, 2009, 05:58:20 PM

Quote from: Teggy on February 23, 2009, 05:52:57 PM

If I could play hardcore CoD5 without tank maps, I would probably say I prefer it. But I can't. Do they have hardcore team deathmatch on CoD4?



Yup.

I should try that some time. I like that HCTD is slower paced (you literally move slower, among other things that slow the game down) and I wonder if it feels the same way in CoD4.

I've seen nothing at all that indicates you move any slower, I think you might just be perceiving it due to the overall slower pace caused by the respawn timer.  Only differences in hardcore are the lack of hud, respawn wave timer, and health is reduced to 30 instead of 100.  People have ripped apart the data files to get all the numbers behind the scene and those are the only things changed.  Pretty sure movement speed is always the same, though weapons change it.  You do move a bit faster in COD4 compared to COD5 though.

For the record Hardcore in COD4 isn't very enjoyable to me.  The reason is that all the weapons in COD4 are so damned powerful, accurate and rapid firing that 30 health just isn't enough.  While normal mode is slightly over the line for realism, hardcore mode is just not as fun as a game.  COD5 hardcore is a nice compromise between COD4 normal mode and COD4 hardcore and part of why I like it so much.

Maybe what I am remembering is from going from CoD5 HC to CoD4 regular.
7107  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Most disturbing movie you've seen? on: February 24, 2009, 03:34:11 PM

Quote from: Purge on February 24, 2009, 01:50:57 PM


Mulholland Drive even though I had to watch it twice to decide if I liked it and it took me a few hours to figure out the plot (after the movie). It disturbed me not like gore flicks would, but it kept my mind focussed on it long after the credits rolled. Oh, and Laura Harring is effen hawt; she makes me want to do bad things to her. icon_twisted


I really liked this one and wish it could have been the tv show it was meant to be. I do remember, however in the scene where you see Naomi Watts appearing to be suffering on the couch from the waist up, the entire theater was cringing wondering what horrible thing David Lynch was about to show us. Then when the camera pulled back and you saw what was really going on
Spoiler for Hiden:
she was "pleasing herself"
everyone let out this nervous laughter.

I pretty much shy away from really gory stuff. There are certainly moments that stick with me for a while, like the end of Arlington Road (which is maybe not that disturbing, but leaves you kind of reeling) or the prostitute scene from Seven.
7108  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: [Circuit City liquidation]All PC games 40-50% off on: February 24, 2009, 03:18:49 PM
I picked up Tomb Raider Underworld and Prince of Persia for $30 each and Stranglehold for $10 (all 360). It was a bit depressing going into the store as there is very little left. No DVD players, stereo equipment, cameras or networking stuff. About all they seemed to have was TVs, some DVDs and video games and some random stuff like flash memory. I felt really bad for the person who rang me up because their days must be numbered and they aren't doing a whole lot.
7109  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Killzone 2 shoot the guys with the glowing eyes Friday night on: February 23, 2009, 08:54:23 PM
So, because I pre-ordered with with Amazon with free shipping I will probably not get my game until next week, but we should still get a list of people who will be looking to play online. I'm sure some people will have the game on Friday. Maybe you guys can set up a clan? Maybe just call it "GT"?
7110  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: COD4 vs. COD5 on: February 23, 2009, 06:02:13 PM

Quote from: SensuousLettuce on February 23, 2009, 05:58:20 PM

Quote from: Teggy on February 23, 2009, 05:52:57 PM

If I could play hardcore CoD5 without tank maps, I would probably say I prefer it. But I can't. Do they have hardcore team deathmatch on CoD4?



Yup.

I should try that some time. I like that HCTD is slower paced (you literally move slower, among other things that slow the game down) and I wonder if it feels the same way in CoD4.
7111  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: COD4 vs. COD5 on: February 23, 2009, 05:52:57 PM
If I could play hardcore CoD5 without tank maps, I would probably say I prefer it. But I can't. Do they have hardcore team deathmatch on CoD4?
7112  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Final Fantasy XII Impressions on: February 23, 2009, 05:40:45 PM

Quote from: Hotfreak on February 23, 2009, 05:23:29 PM

Quote from: Teggy on February 23, 2009, 01:49:19 AM

I do wonder, do you get anything for killing a boss? There is no indication of it on-screen. And if so, do KOed party members lose out? IIRC, this is what happens to KOed characters in FFVII.
License points but not xp, so ko-ed members are fine.

Spoiler for Hiden:
Also, my characters were all around 18-19 for the demon wall.  I killed it on the first go, losing a couple.  The boss casts an instant kill spell and one that drains all the mp from one of your characters.  I can't imagine getting through this without a loss unless you get really lucky with quickenings.



Spoiler for Hiden:
Do you mean the x-zone spell? I went in with I think Vaan, Balthier, Fran and Vossler (guest) and they were all around level 15 at the time, I think. I equipped them all with the anti-blindness accessory and got through with just those guys. At the end Fran was in the x-zone. I actually haven't even used a quickening yet. I didn't discover one until after I had defeated the first esper.

After finishing up this part I went off and killed another mark and am going to try one of the guild ones. Now my characters are all about level 17. Hopefully I will find some things to do before continuing on with the story (all the other marks on the board were type 2, so I probably don't want to go there) so I will be in better shape for the next part.
7113  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: All PS2 Gold Box Monday 2/23 on: February 23, 2009, 05:02:30 PM
Bumping so people don't forget. As posted elsewhere, the daily deal is Persona 4 for $26. The short term deals look to be:

6AM PT: Lego Batman - expired (was $15)
10AM PT: Call of Duty World at War Final Fronts - expired (was $20)
2PM PT: Madagascar 2 - confirmed $20
6PM PT: it was Yakuza 2

7114  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are your gaming plans for the weekend?(Sat morning addition) on: February 23, 2009, 03:54:20 PM
I put a bunch of hours into Final Fantasy XII (at around 17 hours now) and had a saturday night Burnout Paradise session with some buddies. I also tried out The Maw demo, which I may pick up at some point down the line.
7115  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (2/23) on: February 23, 2009, 02:57:18 PM
Preordered on Killzone. I think a co-op run of 50 Cent would be really fun, but I have too much backlog now. It wouldn't hurt for wait for it to drop in price either.
7116  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Final Fantasy XII Impressions on: February 23, 2009, 01:49:19 AM
I'm also playing through this for the first time right now. The combat really grabbed me, but now after about 17 hours of playing I am running into some of the same problems I have always had with RPGs. The types of issues that have prevented me from ever finishing a turn-based RPG.

The one thing I am definitely not clear on is when I'm supposed to just be grinding vs. when it is ok to go on with the story and approach the bosses. The area I am trying to finish up...

Spoiler for Hiden:
the Tomb, throws 4 bosses at you in pretty quick succession - the bird guarding the tomb, the wall guardian, the first esper guardian and finally Vossler. The first of these was easy after I backtracked and discovered what the game wanted me to do (get the berries), but all the bosses after that have followed a similar pattern: get completely wrecked the first time, make some adjustments, get wrecked again, and eventually come up with a solution that works.

For example, the door guardian put blindness on everyone, so I went back to the merchant and got accessories for everyone that prevented blindness. With the buttons that slow down the wall, I was able to finally beat the wall without too much trouble.

The esper guardian used a lot of fire, so I set up everyone to spam him with water magic and was able to get rid of him after a few tries.

Vossler I still haven't beaten yet. I have probably tried him 10 times and I can consistently get him down to about an inch worth of health left, and a couple of times have basically had him down to one last hit when I simply ran out of characters. I start with Vaan, Fran and Balthier. Vaan tosses a warp mote which quickly gets rid of his henchman, and then I have Vaan hit Vossler with the Blood Sword, which hits him with sap. I then turn on Vaan's gambits which has him down potions when he goes below 50%, which ties Vossler up while Balthier and Fran use ranged attacks and Fran does an occassional cure of Vaan. This very quickly gets Vossler down to 25% or less, but I only have 8 potions, so Vaan eventually bites it, and then all hell breaks loose. Vossler goes after Fran, which allows Baltair to keep working him down, but after a while there's nothing I can to keep Vossler from running all over me. I can use Phoenix downs to get Vaan back, but he won't last long, and all the other characters are basically useless, because without constant curing/potions, Vossler cuts right through them. I believe he goes into berserk at the end which means he is knocking 300-400 points off at times. And he uses reflect, so it's basically impossible to use magic/magic items against him.

I wish I had haste for Balthier, because that would probably make the difference, but I have neglected to buy it so far. I gave in and looked up a boss FAQ, and the person who wrote it suggests that you level up to 18 or 19 before fighting Vossler. Well, there's a problem - my characters are all level 14 and 15. But how was I supposed to know that? I spent a lot of time fighting, including a lot of time crossing the desert and backtracking to get the berries. I guess the idea of grinding is the thing I am not used to. It's certainly not much fun, and I even thought I was grinding during my time in the desert. I had a 75+ chain going on my way, and I certainly could have just fled through parts. But now I am close to stuck because there's very little I can do to get past Vossler. There's no merchant to go to and no sure way to get extra potions (I also think I could probably make it if I just had 2 or 3 more potions for Vaan to give the ranged attacks more time). I actually did a little grinding back in the tomb, and I didn't wind up with anything useful, not even a potion.

I think my last chance is to use the esper somewhere in the fight. I tried to earlier on and nothing happened so I thought maybe you couldn't use it there. However, in the FAQ they suggest using it, so I must have just done something wrong.

So I am a bit frustrated because I thought I was doing things right (I have even finished 4 hunts, so I am not just going right at the story - I tried a 5th, but got wiped out, so I moved on) but now I am stuck again in an RPG. I guess if I had started out looking at a strategy guide it would have helped, but that's just not how I like to play games. If I need to look at a strategy guide to make it through, what's the point in playing the game? I might as well just watch the cutscenes.

UPDATE: I managed to get past the spot described in the above spoiler.

Spoiler for Hiden:
I read a couple of pages at the start of this thread and realized I had a lot of license points sitting around. I unlocked a lot of things for Vaan, Balthier and Fran and that seemed to get me the little extra I needed to get by Vossler. They still wound up KOed at the end, along with Ashe, but Penelo and Basche were able to finish the last bit off.

I do wonder, do you get anything for killing a boss? There is no indication of it on-screen. And if so, do KOed party members lose out? IIRC, this is what happens to KOed characters in FFVII.
7117  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Game of the Month Discussion, Feb 2009: Beyond Good & Evil on: February 21, 2009, 08:14:59 PM

Quote from: Godzilla Blitz on February 21, 2009, 06:53:40 AM


And not so much of a spoiler, but here's where I am:
Spoiler for Hiden:
Took me a while to get the pearls I needed to upgrade the spacecraft to get to the moon, but now I'm here. I'm guessing is the final area. I'm a bit stuck at the moment, but am getting really sleepy so I gave up for the night. I'll push on tomorrow night, I hope. I'd love to finish this weekend.


Spoiler for Hiden:
Realizing that you had to go into the volcano was the place I figured most first time players would get stuck. I don't know if there are any hints in the game towards getting you there, but the fact that I remembered that bit (as well as the secret of the boots) helped me get to the moon very quickly after the slaughterhouse this time through.
7118  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Operation Flashpoint 2: Dragon Rising new video on: February 20, 2009, 05:27:41 PM
I have the game and all the expansions for PC, but when I loaded it up and started playing it I had absolutely no idea what was going on smile

I'm kind of used to tutorials.
7119  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / 50 Cent: Blood on the Sand on: February 20, 2009, 04:45:00 PM
I saw a preview for this on X-Play a little while back and was really surprised at how fun it looked. It's a cover based shooter with over-the-top action and co-op. It's getting decent reviews. I don't care for his music, and I heard his first game was atrocious, but I have to admit I'm curious.
7120  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / If you wondered what kept PeteRock so fabulous... on: February 20, 2009, 01:57:48 PM
teh female hormones!

Quote
The startling study was enough to drive men to drink. According to a report released last week by the Alcohol, Drug Abuse and Mental Health Administration, bourbon, America's beloved corn squeezings, contains female-type sex hormones that may be responsible for the "feminized" appearance—enlarged breasts and beardless faces—of some alcoholic men. The culprit, wrote Judith Gavaler, a Medical Researcher at the University of Pittsburgh, may be phytoes- trogen, a female-type hormone found in corn.

slywink
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