I'll agree on one thing. Having a hearing on a company using a loophole is not really a good use of time. If what they are doing is not illegal there's really no value in shaming them. Spend your time closing the loophole.

So you don't think the U.S. tax is overly complex? As with any regulation, the more complex the more it favors large organizations that can pay a team of lawyers and accountants to interpret and stay compliant (aka find all those loop holes). You don't think individuals or companies should legally minimize their taxes?

Not sure where I said anything to that effect. All I said was the if they think there is a loophole they should close it. In addition, closing loopholes should by nature make the tax code less complex.

I don't know, but if you work at Olive Garden don't you have to sing?

Hetz picking PS4 over XO? I would never have guessed

But hey, this is the Internet. Froth on.

Sorry, who's frothing and about what?

I've read elsewhere (but can't confirm) that all the exploits found about so far were posted about on the Closed Beta Boards (and immediately locked) as well as sent in as bug reports.

If true...damn.

I have heard this as well.

hit 30 last night, kinda bummed to see only one paragon path implemented so far.  Played a really fun module, Crypts of Carnage, which was a nice little dungeon crawl.  Best player made content I've played yet.

Oh snap! The gauntlet has been thrown down at Tilt's feet!

I'll have to log in and get my "chest of we screwed up".

So there is some info from Wired (I'd have to locate it) that there is some way to deactivate the game on the original system so the new person doesn't have to pay. We'll have to wait for details.

when buying a used game,i wonder how many people would've deactivated the game first before they sold it off

There was some talk about the person doing the installing deciding whether to deactivate or pay - so you could give to a friend for a low price or sell it off expecting that you will not be able to play it again. No idea, definitely need more info. MS is doing themselves no service by making it a mystery right now.

So there is some info from Wired (I'd have to locate it) that there is some way to deactivate the game on the original system so the new person doesn't have to pay. We'll have to wait for details.

Also, TV is so hard. I don't even know how we do it:




EDIT: the best part about this is that she (a writer at Gamespot) was being totally sarcastic but someone at MS didn't realize it.

I was also really surprised they really glossed over the social features - they made a very quick mention regarding making gameplay highlights, but nothing approaching Sony's presentation on their share button or the ability to spectate other people's games, which I thought were very fun features.

I'll agree on one thing. Having a hearing on a company using a loophole is not really a good use of time. If what they are doing is not illegal there's really no value in shaming them. Spend your time closing the loophole.

Yes, you can trade in or resell games, but the person buying that game will have to pay a price - the statement does nothing to contradict what people are reporting.

 

I wonder if they found a way to get over that 100 friends on your list hurdle... maybe making no one want it is the solution!

They've got 200,000 Live servers. You can go to 125 now.

I guess that answers my question about the lack of coax. Keeps getting worse and worse.

Well, then there's this:

Last year, Nintendo’s new Wii U console delivered some television tuner functionality, but it was a kludgy and fragile experience, and many users (like me, with my cablecard-equipped TiVo) were shut out. Xbox One will utilize a few different methods to deliver live TV to the Xbox universe. Chief among those—at least in the US—is HDMI pass-through, in which the cable box, satellite box, or similar device (e.g., the aforementioned cablecard-equipped TiVo ) connects directly to the Xbox One, which then passes the mediated signal to the television via an HDMI-out port.

Definitely need more info.

I'm not sure why everyone is so upset about lack of backwards compatibility.  SNES came out and didn't play NES games, and it didn't wait 7 years to come out either, right?

Because that was over 20 years ago? Things change.

Right now I am really thinking unless MS drops some serious exclusivity bomb during E3 (Naughty Dog bought by Microsoft Game Studios big) I will buy the PS4 and play other stuff on PC while I wait and see on XBO. Even if Sony comes down with this same used fee (which some are expecting), I'll at least get Sony exclusives. If live TV is anything like the FiOS app on 360 I've got no interest at all. And it must be, right? There's no cablecard slot or coax input on the thing.

And at least I'll get to play with Leo

of course that makes me realize I'm used to buying games and not being able to trade them at all, so it just made the whole issue of pre-owned less important  thanks Doctor Teggy!  

Yeah, but you buy those at Steam prices which is whole different animal than buying for consoles (even new games tend to be $10 less).

If this is the case and you can pass a disc on to another person to install, I'm guessing that second fee is going to be mighty high.

The other question is, will the game continue to work with the first account?

Well it says "also own" not "now own" so that appears to be implied.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/407912/microsoft-confirms-pre-owned-fee-for-xbox-one/

Microsoft has confirmed that all Xbox One games will require mandatory installation onto the system's hard drive and, to install the same disc onto another user's drive, a fee must be paid.

Individual games will be tied to Xbox Live accounts, Microsoft said, meaning that the software giant can detect whether a game has been sold to a retailer and repurchased, or handed from one friend to another. In such instances, the second user must pay a fee.

"On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play," a Microsoft representative told Wired.

The company added that, once discs are installed on the hard drive, games can be played without a disc being in the tray.

The Wired article then elaborates: "What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner."

It added: "Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc."

Microsoft did not disclose what the second-user fee would amount too, and did not clarify further on the matter.

The article claims that there is no sweeping 'always-online' requirement for future Xbox One games.

I think i may very well be out just because of that first line

If this is the case and you can pass a disc on to another person to install, I'm guessing that second fee is going to be mighty high.

Wonder if it will be tied to sales price? Like trade a copy of CoD in the first month and the fee will be $60 or trade it in 2 years and it will be $20.

This is a pretty big deal. Basically means trading with others for XBOX One games is going to be a no-go.

EDIT - oh yeah, does this kill Gamefly?

So for exclusives we see Forza 5 (which we really knew was coming anyway) and a new Remedy game. 360 was definitely my platform this gen, but I have to say I'm much more excited for PS4 right now.

for me they're 1 up from PS4 exclusives-  Forza 5 and Quantum Break vs InfaMouS.  bring on E3 for the death match!

Yeah, yeah, Forza 5. You don't care about Killzone, Knack, Gran Turismo 5, etc?

not really.  tried GT before and I probably played more of the Forza demos than I did the full GT game.  never got into the Killzone series, not really a big fan of first person shooters on the console anymore anyways; Knack is a platformer, and those don't last long with me.

[edit] of course if Quantum Break turns out to be a FPS (hoping not based on their previous games) then it will be off the list.

Sounds like you just don't like games

If there's one thing I felt previous CoD games were lacking, it's detailed arm hair.

I hope it's customizable.

Just like the Kinect 1 promos showed how you can hold up your skateboard and scan the art into the game, the Kinect One will let you hold up your forearm and get your arm hair into CoD.

I'd like to see it take on my beast-like arm hair. They'll need another OS.

So for exclusives we see Forza 5 (which we really knew was coming anyway) and a new Remedy game. 360 was definitely my platform this gen, but I have to say I'm much more excited for PS4 right now.

for me they're 1 up from PS4 exclusives-  Forza 5 and Quantum Break vs InfaMouS.  bring on E3 for the death match!

Yeah, yeah, Forza 5. You don't care about Killzone, Knack, Gran Turismo 5, etc?

So for exclusives we see Forza 4 (which we really knew was coming anyway) and a new Remedy game. 360 was definitely my platform this gen, but I have to say I'm much more excited for PS4 right now.

but fishes get out of your way when swimming in COD

They'll do that on PS3 and PC too (and Wii U?).

So for exclusives we see Forza 4 (which we really knew was coming anyway) and a new Remedy game. 360 was definitely my platform this gen, but I have to say I'm much more excited for PS4 right now.

That's it!?

yeah, but I was really hoping they would let something show up, not just these pre-taped bits.  

and what I really wanted to see was a Spielberg produced Halo series.  

Steven plays games?  wonder what is tag is.

xXxTeeBagUxXx

So big question is does "exclusive" mean exclusive to XBOX or exclusive to XBOX and PC?

Holy crap those graphics look just like real people.

The more I hear "XBOX One" the stupider I think it is. I keep thinking he's talking about the old XBOX.

Paging jztemple...

Showing Redskins beating the Cowboys? WTF is this? No more sale from me!

Hey, he called it "sports" instead of "sport" - I call fake British guy.

Australian!!!  

LOL, yeah, I realized that after hearing him talk some more.

Hey, he called it "sports" instead of "sport" - I call fake British guy.

OK, we're nearly 30 minutes in - show me a damn game.

Meh, who watches live TV anymore.

They need to clarify what "watch tv" means. If they are just streaming content over the internet for selected cable providers that's really not something I'm going to care for.

[Spoiler]

Reminds me of the old TiVo HD.

Spoiler for Hiden:

I picked up The Starship Damrey.

also, what was up with that montage during the beginning of the end credits?  it felt out of place.

I thought they were basically wrapping up the RDJ Iron Man movies by showing scenes from all 3. He'll be in Avengers 2, but seems unclear if he'll be in another standalone. The way they tied up the story gave that feeling.

I couldn't shake the feeling that since the Avengers movie why can't he simply call for help? I mean whats the point of them all having their own movies now that we all know that they can do more as a group?

Well yeah, I thought the same thing, but the comics work the same way. Sometimes they just work on their own.

Maybe Captain America was off doing something top secret, Hulk was visiting his parents for the holidays and Black Widow and Hawkeye had already put a deposit on a B&B for that weekend.