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121  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC] Heroes of the Storm on: May 21, 2014, 06:53:21 PM
By the way, if you want to try a really simple MOBA there's the Adventure Time MOBA
122  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Wildstar (Carbine Studios' first project) on: May 20, 2014, 11:12:27 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on May 20, 2014, 11:32:22 AM

cancelled my preorder

Well, some of us told you not to buy it in the first place slywink I, on the other hand, plan to enjoy at least a month of double jumping.
123  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC] Heroes of the Storm on: May 20, 2014, 11:11:47 PM

Quote from: leo8877 on May 20, 2014, 09:46:32 PM

Quote from: Teggy on May 20, 2014, 08:49:36 PM

Did someone say no store?

??

Sorry, my schtick is that I complain about mobas being too complicated because of the store.
124  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PC] Heroes of the Storm on: May 20, 2014, 08:49:36 PM
Did someone say no store?
125  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: May 13, 2014, 10:06:33 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on May 13, 2014, 09:54:30 PM


I don't actually have any strong feelings about this Kinect issue, so I'm not trying to say anyone is right or anything.  I was just following the argument from the sidelines, and it seemed pretty clear that TiLT was saying one thing and Teggy was hearing another.


Fair enough, I went back and reread the thread while you were writing up your response and summarized in my edit above.
126  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: May 13, 2014, 09:25:28 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on May 13, 2014, 09:18:15 PM

Teggy, I hate to say it, but you have missed TiLT's point.

Well then go for it, explain it to me.

EDIT: also just to note, my original reply was to Jaydee, not to Tilt, and it was specifically regarding the terms "forced down my throat". Tilt then proceeded to jump in as if he wrote the words.

EDIT2: and just to be fair I have read back through the thread. If the point that you believe I am missing is that Tilt/Jaydee don't want to buy an Xbone with a kinect because it somehow validates Microsoft's business strategy, no I didn't miss that. However, the conversation did stray away from that and I think my point was diluted/missed because of that. My initial response was specifically to the words "forced down my throat", which I really felt was the wrong way to describe what was going on. I have no problem in anyone expressing their disapproval of a product with their dollars, but I do think that the level of personal insult taken by a business decision can be taken out of hand.
127  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: May 13, 2014, 09:24:55 PM
That's fine, you can take your ball and go home.

Although I'm still very curious about what this opinion is that I don't understand and what I'm trying to change.

I simply am stating fact. Microsoft is a business. It does not owe you a kinectless sku and are not forcing you to do anything. Putting out a single Xbox sku was not arrogant it's called a marketing plan (without comment on whether it was a good or not) And to say that they are forcing anything "down your throat" is needlessly melodramatic at best and kind of offensive at worst.
128  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: May 13, 2014, 08:55:43 PM

Quote from: TiLT on May 13, 2014, 08:45:56 PM

Quote from: Teggy on May 13, 2014, 08:43:05 PM

Microsoft is not forcing you to do anything. Your "consumer rights" in this case is not to buy their product, but don't act like they have infringed on those rights in any way.

And that's exactly what I'm doing. Not buying their products. As long as I'm not buying it, they're not forcing anything at all (at this point, let me remind you that it wasn't me who said "force down your throat"). However, if I had decided to purchase, the only option would be for me to also buy a Kinect, or I wouldn't have gotten the product I really wanted. That's force.

In short, you didn't actually understand, just like I said.

You didn't say "force down your throat" but you defended the term. You can say I don't understand all you want but that doesn't make it true. What you don't seem to understand is how business works. Microsoft does not owe you a Kinect-less Xbone, no matter how much you want one. They are not forcing you to buy one. If you don't want a kinect in your package, you don't buy the system. That's a lost sale to Microsoft, so tough on them and tough on you. This idea that MS is a terrible company because they didn't offer a kinectless sku is preposterous. Yup, they opened up your wallet, stole out the money and bolted a kinect to your television. Oh wait, no they didn't.

But now they are offering a Kinectless sku so the whole thing is moot, so you can now go out and support this company that you hate.
129  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: May 13, 2014, 08:43:05 PM

Quote from: TiLT on May 13, 2014, 08:36:33 PM

Quote from: Teggy on May 13, 2014, 08:33:49 PM

Quote from: TiLT on May 13, 2014, 07:13:14 PM

Quote from: Teggy on May 13, 2014, 07:10:46 PM

Quote from: JayDee on May 13, 2014, 07:03:59 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on May 13, 2014, 06:51:15 PM

For those who are now saying they're interested in an Xbox One without the Kinect, do you realize you could have gotten one with the Kinect for $450 with a free game and a year of Xbox Live a few weeks ago?  Effectively making it a $390 console plus a game.  Are you really that adamantly against Kinect that not having one is a better deal than having one with free games for the same price?

Yes. To me it was a statement, even if it was $390. I didn't want Kinect and was not willing to buy a system with Kinect forced down my throat. Voting with my dollars and all that.

Really? "Forced down your throat"? You've been able to disconnect the Kinect from day 1.

Do you really not understand what he meant? He doesn't want to buy the Kinect. He's not talking about actually using it. It's "forced down his throat" because he was previously forced to buy a Kinect if he wanted an Xbox One.

How is it being "forced down your throat" (other than that being a terrible choice of words for what is actually happening). You buy the box, you play the games, the kinect sits in the packaging forever or gets sold. You make it sound like Microsoft made an assault on your civil liberties.

I get it. You don't understand. That's also why you don't see it as a problem. Let it go, man. Let it go. People have different ideas about consumer rights vs arrogant corporations. Some don't see the problem when corporations make choices for them. I do. You don't have to understand it. Just accept it.

No, I get it, you don't want to buy a product at its current price and configuration and are using overly exaggerated terminology to express it in order to perpetuate some sort of perceived system war or to shed negative light on a company you don't like.

Microsoft is not forcing you to do anything. Your "consumer rights" in this case is not to buy their product, but don't act like they have infringed on those rights in any way.
130  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: May 13, 2014, 08:33:49 PM

Quote from: TiLT on May 13, 2014, 07:13:14 PM

Quote from: Teggy on May 13, 2014, 07:10:46 PM

Quote from: JayDee on May 13, 2014, 07:03:59 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on May 13, 2014, 06:51:15 PM

For those who are now saying they're interested in an Xbox One without the Kinect, do you realize you could have gotten one with the Kinect for $450 with a free game and a year of Xbox Live a few weeks ago?  Effectively making it a $390 console plus a game.  Are you really that adamantly against Kinect that not having one is a better deal than having one with free games for the same price?

Yes. To me it was a statement, even if it was $390. I didn't want Kinect and was not willing to buy a system with Kinect forced down my throat. Voting with my dollars and all that.

Really? "Forced down your throat"? You've been able to disconnect the Kinect from day 1.

Do you really not understand what he meant? He doesn't want to buy the Kinect. He's not talking about actually using it. It's "forced down his throat" because he was previously forced to buy a Kinect if he wanted an Xbox One.

How is it being "forced down your throat" (other than that being a terrible choice of words for what is actually happening). You buy the box, you play the games, the kinect sits in the packaging forever or gets sold. You make it sound like Microsoft made an assault on your civil liberties.
131  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: May 13, 2014, 07:10:46 PM

Quote from: JayDee on May 13, 2014, 07:03:59 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on May 13, 2014, 06:51:15 PM

For those who are now saying they're interested in an Xbox One without the Kinect, do you realize you could have gotten one with the Kinect for $450 with a free game and a year of Xbox Live a few weeks ago?  Effectively making it a $390 console plus a game.  Are you really that adamantly against Kinect that not having one is a better deal than having one with free games for the same price?

Yes. To me it was a statement, even if it was $390. I didn't want Kinect and was not willing to buy a system with Kinect forced down my throat. Voting with my dollars and all that.

Really? "Forced down your throat"? You've been able to disconnect the Kinect from day 1.
132  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: RIP H. R. Giger on: May 13, 2014, 05:22:14 PM
RIP Giger - he sure did like genitals.
133  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: (TV-ABC) Marvel's Agent Carter on: May 13, 2014, 05:21:13 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on May 12, 2014, 05:49:43 PM

Why not just roll her into Agent of Shield..   No matter Agent of Shield lost me and I just don't see myself getting into this show

Well mostly because she'd be on her death bed the entire time Tongue
134  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: May 13, 2014, 05:15:18 PM
"Xbox record th...."

135  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: May 13, 2014, 05:09:34 PM
I would hate to try and navigate the xbone without kinect. There are things I thought you can't even get to with the controller (probably not, but it seemed that way).
136  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: May 11, 2014, 03:11:50 PM
Keep it up with the posts, you're bound to be real popular around here!
137  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Wildstar (Carbine Studios' first project) on: May 10, 2014, 05:31:03 PM
I played the first adventure this morning which was pretty fun. It was a bit nerve-wracking because I played healer and I've never played healer in anything before. There was some death but the group was nice so no problem. Keeping everyone in front of you while dodging tons of telegraphs is a challenge. Can't imagine what esper healing is like when you have to stand still.
138  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Wildstar (Carbine Studios' first project) on: May 09, 2014, 03:32:33 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on May 09, 2014, 02:59:52 PM

I'm pre-ordered and will at least be playing the first month.  (blame teggy)


For the record I specifically told him not to buy the game. I even said that the reason I was buying the game was for the platforming, which should have scared him away for sure.
139  Gaming / Portable Gaming & Apps / Mario Golf World Tour on: May 02, 2014, 08:44:36 PM
Very solid entry in the arcade golf genre. Just tons of different modes to play and gear to collect, and the online support is amazingly good for a Nintendo game. You can create a community for people to join and then there's no need to exchange Nintendo SSNs.

It's not the second coming of Advance Tour, but well worth the $30 (and $15 for the season pass).
140  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: LA Clippers Owner Guy on: May 01, 2014, 12:15:08 AM
Now they are saying she's not his girlfriend, just an employee. They being she.

Regardless, people have said that it fits the racist mentality, that minorities are good for labor and sex.
141  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: PSN Japanese game sale on: April 30, 2014, 04:27:22 PM
I should finally pick up Persona 4

Spoiler for Hiden:
and then not play it.
142  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Star Wars Episode VII Director Revealed on: April 29, 2014, 09:11:30 PM
That is a neat picture:

143  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: LA Clippers Owner Guy on: April 29, 2014, 07:51:57 PM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on April 29, 2014, 07:36:12 PM

The following comment is not directed at ATB.  To my knowledge, he has never expressed the beliefs referenced below.

I find it fascinating that, when topics like Affirmative Action, the Equal Rights Amendment, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, or even articles of the Civil Rights Act are raised, Conservatives talk about their boundless faith in how the Invisible Hand of the Free Market would smooth away all forms of social discrimination if only all those burdensome legal protections were out of the way.

When the Very Material Hand of the Free Market comes around and smacks the hell out of some fantastically wealthy guy for spewing such toxic prejudices that there's a huge social and economic backlash, however, suddenly those same Conservatives are vocally upset that there are free market repercussions for his behavior.  "Intolerance of his intolerance is the worst intolerance of all!"

-Autistic Angel

This is true - thought "crime" implies he broke a law. No such thing happened here. A private business made a private decision that they felt was in their best interest.
144  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: ArchAge on: April 29, 2014, 02:51:42 AM
What does sandbox mean in this sense? No quests?
145  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (04/28) on: April 28, 2014, 04:38:18 PM
I plan on picking up Mario Golf this week.
146  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: I think on: April 24, 2014, 02:50:38 AM
Well just send me your Obama-supplied ration of licorice and I will eat it.
147  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: I think on: April 23, 2014, 10:28:48 PM
How could you not like black licorice?  It's one of the worlds great tastes.
148  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: Watch Dogs Cheap preorder Uplay key on: April 21, 2014, 09:33:43 PM
They're a Polish unauthorized key reseller. While some people have had no problems with them, I prefer to take my business to other places and pay a bit more.
149  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Elder Scrolls Online on: April 21, 2014, 09:07:25 PM
Starting to get a bit burned out with the grind at 39. I was enjoying the questing for however many hours I've done it so far,  but there's so little variation in what you are doing at this point that it's getting kind of boring. The suggested levels for dungeons are so narrow, and very few people are using the dungeon finder anyway. Other than that there is WvW, but I'm not really into the big zerg thing. And that's kind of it as far as what you can do in the game for now. I'd like to get to 50 for the story, but I'm not feeling it a whole lot at the moment.
150  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Anyone going to PAX East? on: April 11, 2014, 04:39:40 PM
I'll be there on Sunday. I didn't sign in early enough to get a three-day but to be honest now that I'm an old fart just going one day to check out the floor seems more appealing.
151  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: [PS4/PC] H1Z1 post-apocalyptic MMO on: April 11, 2014, 04:36:55 PM
Any MMO that is not traditional fantasy will get at least a look from me.
152  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Marvel Heroes on: April 09, 2014, 05:59:37 PM
Oh man, the BW white suit is probably some price I have no interest in paying.
153  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3/360/PC] Borderlands: The Pre-Sequel on: April 09, 2014, 04:25:37 PM
Hm, how does Wilhelm turn from a guy into a giant robot thing?
154  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Elder Scrolls Online on: April 09, 2014, 03:11:08 PM
If you are interested in moving ahead faster, just do the quests at your level. I recently ran 2 characters through the beginning Ebonheart quests:

First character did the quest to defend Davon's Watch, then went to Bleakrock and did every single quest on Bleakrock (got the achievement for finding all the hidden villagers), then did all the quests in Bal Foyen, then went back to Davon's Watch. She was level 7.

Second character went straight to Bleakrock, did one main quest and one sidequest and got the skyshards, did all of the quests in Bal Foyen to catch up a level, then went back to Davon's Watch. She was level 6.

So all of those extra quests took up a lot of extra time and probably got me less than a level. Of course, even if you don't do all the quests, you'll want to do the public dungeons to get the skyshards and also get the skyshards in the world. There are also quests the give skill points. You might want to mark those down if you have a character doing everything or you can use a guide.

Personally, I would prefer a game that took a month to get to max level. For one, it's stupid that you can craft weapons or armor for your friends and they outlevel it in an hour or less.
155  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: Elder Scrolls Online on: April 09, 2014, 01:54:08 PM
I tried the Mac client this morning on my 2011 MacBook Pro and it performs well and looks really good on medium settings. Blows the GW2 Mac client out of the water for sure.
156  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Diablo III --Impressions start on page 36 -- on: April 03, 2014, 02:09:42 PM
Did you know there's a legendary that gives 2 extra heaven's fury beams?
157  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I'm worried....where is Ceekay? on: April 02, 2014, 02:34:36 PM
The scary thing is that even if he never came back, it would take several decades for the other high-ranking posters to catch his post count at current posting rates,
158  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: April Fools 2015 on: April 01, 2014, 01:45:02 PM
Marvel Heroes is announcing 5 new playable heroes today, the first 2 being Doop and hot dog vendor.
159  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Diablo III --Impressions start on page 36 -- on: March 31, 2014, 12:05:07 PM
You can get a stack of them for finishing a Nephalem Rift.
160  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (03/31) on: March 31, 2014, 05:45:00 AM
I'm looking forward to a long stretch of backlog clearing. I am tempted by The Show, but every time I buy that series I never put as much time into it as I plan to.
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