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1  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Wii U on: June 19, 2014, 05:39:13 AM

Quote from: wonderpug on June 17, 2014, 05:22:18 PM

Quote from: Fireball on June 17, 2014, 05:14:02 PM

So I downloaded New Super Mario Bros U, and it is also great. I clearly don't think like a "gamer" because I can't figure out why this system isn't doing well. Is it just the graphic processing power? 

I think that they completely lost the audience from the original Wii.  On multiple occasions I've seen shoppers in big box stores confused about Wii U versus Wii.  "Will these Wii U games work on my Wii?  Is the Wii U an add-on?"

Then for people like me, so far the system cost to available game ratio has been off.  I'm not against buying a Box that Plays Nintendo Exclusives, but I need more exclusives or a cheaper box.  I think they're finally getting the library built up enough to make me tempted, but I'd still like to see the price come down or see a great system+game bundle released.

Are you in the US? Because Nintendo is selling factory "refurbished" deluxe systems on their site with a one year warranty and Nintendoland for $200. All reports from many purchasers is that these are new systems. Completely new systems in normal retail packaging. It looks like they are the dented box variety of refurb. So you could go that route, you can still get MK8 at Target right now for ~36$ and you can then get a free game download. So roughly $250 after taxes and shipping nets you the system and 3 games. I would say that is a fair price.

Not to mention Target is going to do a buy 2 get 1 free on WiiU titles next week.
2  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (06/16) on: June 19, 2014, 05:32:16 AM
Pushmo and Another World 20th anniversary on WiiU for me.

I was hoping that How to Survive would be tweaked for its WiiU release but it doesn't appear that is the case.

Also hopeful that some of the announced Capcom VC titles hit starting this week.

Honestly I am just waiting for Shovel Knight next week among other indie games
3  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: E3 2014 on: June 11, 2014, 04:48:04 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 11, 2014, 04:29:59 AM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on June 11, 2014, 04:25:54 AM

Quote from: Ralph-Wiggum on June 11, 2014, 04:16:17 AM

Haven't most Zelda games been open world? It seems like in most of the ones I've played, you could pretty much go anywhere you want except certain areas were blocked off until you found whatever tool you needed (bombs, boomerang, etc.). How is this Zelda going to be different?

They have all been sort of illusions of open world, with the content in locked off dungeons or like Wind Waker had you going on the boat to small islands and still locked off by needing certain items.  Supposedly this is going to be more like Skyrim, just a giant open world and you can truly go anywhere.  I'm certainly hoping for that.

There was also a comment about not needing the right tool  to progress.  Not sure how that'll work and keep the Zeldaness.

Well Zelda was originally concepted off of Miyamoto's childhood where he explored the woods and sea caves by his home. So I guess it really is getting back to it's roots.

I for one am down, I don't need the gated off old school approach, I would like it to be more, you can access 1,2 and 4 or 6 in these areas, but if you come back with that new widget you can access 3 and 5 and find some new stuff.
4  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: E3 2014 on: June 11, 2014, 03:24:38 AM

Quote from: farley2k on June 10, 2014, 04:52:55 PM

Quote from: Crawley on June 10, 2014, 04:50:13 PM

Don't have a Wii U but suspect I'll be getting one when that Zelda comes out. Looks amazing but when the action started it was basically cut sequences. Still loved the style of it and the direction.

As far as I could tell there was no gameplay footage in that.

It is neat that they are doing an open world but I didn't really need it.  I am happy with some hand holding and guidance.

Not searching for the link, but Nintendo did confirm it was all in game/realtime just not gameplay camera angles. Not complaining either way, I mean, I eagerly await the day I open that game and just wander around Hyrule aimlessly for hours.

I am so curious to how they are going to fill that world in now.
5  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Mario Kart 8 [Wii U] on: June 11, 2014, 03:19:05 AM
my NNID is Tebunker if anyone wants to send me a friend invite I am down, I also have a regular daily tournament set up online for playing, so pm me and I can send the code.
6  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: So I bought a Wii U on: March 16, 2014, 04:44:38 AM
Does anyone here Monster Hunt? I was playing with my Brother for a bit but then he got snowed in for a week and literally dropped like 7 straight days non stop into it and is vastly past where I am, HR 2. If anyone wants to pick up Monster Hunter, which can be daunting, I am down for getting together and playing online.
7  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: So I bought a Wii U on: March 11, 2014, 01:30:49 AM

Quote from: farley2k on March 07, 2014, 07:43:26 PM


It isn't quite as good but Lego Marvel Superheroes has scratched that same itch since we finished Lego City.  So when you have finished Undercover you should look into it.

I agree, but I think Lego City leagues better than Lego Marvel. The only thing Lego Marvel does better is the co-op. City Underground has a better story, better more coherent world, better writing, and more varied missions. It is shame that they couldn't go back to that well for both Lego Marvel and Lego Movie, both of those feel cashed in compared to Lego City. I would love for Nintendo to fund another Lego Unique game like Undercover.

Quote from: Ridah
It's refurbished, before anyone gets they're hopes too high.

I keep going back and forth on the Wii U. I want to player Super Mario 3D World, but I can't shake this feeling that Nintendo is going to abandon the system and move all current projects onto the next console.

I can't make you feel any better, but look at it this way, they have only ever abandoned one system, ever, Virtual Boy, this is no Virtual Boy, and Iwata said that they are doubling down on WiiU software. Like I said above, I fully expect them to support the system until the end of 2016, and then move to the new unified software platform.
8  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: So I bought a Wii U on: March 06, 2014, 03:14:07 AM

Quote from: EddieA on March 06, 2014, 02:52:04 AM

Quote from: Lordnine on March 05, 2014, 06:50:40 PM

The WiiU has certainly taken its time to get going but right now it has a WAAAY better selection of exclusives than the XB1 or PS4.  Given that most games coming out in the next couple months are also hitting on PC I donít see that changing anytime soon either.

The problem is that third-party support for the WiiU is all but dead.  The current library, the upcoming first-party games, plus a few other announced games (like X and Bayonetta 2) are pretty much all the Wii U will ever have.

well I never bought it for 3rd party games, and to be honest there will be a lot more than what has been announced so far, they aren't abandoning the system, it will probably get 4 or so years of support, new system probably 2017 or so, combined software platform for Handheld and Home console etc. Kind of shortsighted comment from you. Not saying they will have a ton of games, but expect Nintendo to put out enough to make the system a good Nintendo box.

I have been pretty happy with the Wii U so far, but I was never expecting too much. The games that use the gamepad well, like Deus Ex, ZombiU, Rayman and Splinter Cell show that there is a lot of value in the idea, it's just that it's near impossible to ask devs make exclusive games in this business environment without bags of cash.

On top of all that, I have really enjoyed the Indie selection so far and a lot more games are coming to the eshop, Nintendo was smart in giving out WiiU dev kits and free Unity Licenses to indies.
9  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: So it's been a few yrs so I have to ask again.. on: January 28, 2014, 05:18:19 AM
I dont have the luxury of normal. Crohn's is a giant pain that way. Pre op I was a steady 2 a day. Post ops generally 3 to 4 a day but there are days that double that and others less. I am usually happy with 3 a day though. I tried using immodium to keep it inline but it took me down to one a day and feeling like crap! My Dad is on several things just to stay in that 3 a day range and I feel forhim.
10  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 4 - Nuclear Winter in 6 days on: December 06, 2013, 06:56:11 PM

Quote from: Turtle on December 05, 2013, 12:43:21 AM

Part of the reason why they had terrible models and repeated dialog is that they had to fit everything on to a DVD, that's 4-8 gigs. Going bluray for both consoles means 50GB base. And then the memory to fit those extra things so they can be encountered during normal gameplay. Even their model system is designed to use absolutely as little memory as possible, so most of it is reused. Faces and bodies are just scaled horizontally or vertically as needed for the race, then with a head or arm replacement.

Also, all those repeat textures you see, and the samey looking dungeons? A new tech standard in both consoles, called Tiled Resources (NVidia) or Partially Resident Textures (AMD, which is in both consoles) is essentially a hardware based version of the Megatexture tech used in Rage (Id Tech 5 engine). It allows you to do what rage did and have a whole lot of unique textures on a level since the engine will be loading just parts of a larger texture file stored in memory. And because it's using hardware, you run into less problems than Rage did. This also means they don't have to follow various texture seam limits as closely, and can just go wild with the look of an area, putting in more detail specific to the dungeon or area you're in that just gets baked into the megatexture. It's a process that's actually faster for the artist in some ways.



See I don't buy this more/better tech will allow them to make a better game stuff. If they couldn't do better wiith the restrictions imposed by hardware, having more power will only allow them to continue to be sloppy. This is their M.O. Especially in the TES games. I just don't have confidence that now that they have more power to work with that their designers and coders and artists will automagically get better at their jobs. Anyway,  it is the mods that ultimately make these game better but those aren't on consoles.
11  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Fallout 4 - Nuclear Winter in 6 days on: December 04, 2013, 11:16:32 PM
I am not going lie, I loved Fallout 3, so did the wife, we even played a lot of new Vegas and bought the DLC, and I loved Oblivion and Skyrim, All in spite of their massive short comings. I guess that's neat, but it also makes me wonder what would happen if Bethesda could actually make a non-buggy game with tighter gameplay, non-terrible models, incredibly over-used dialogue (see arrow to the knee meme), and I could go on and on. What is amazing is that their games are much better than the individual parts, mainly because of the scope, but god, if they could just have that great scope AND cover the other stuff too I would be in gaming nirvana.

So yeah, this I am sure will look awesome, but I fully expect it to not be as good as any announce trailer, and even with all the extra processing power available to them, all I can think of is how they will mismanage it. Maybe I will buy a new pc in 18 months when this comes out and buy this and then play it with mods on that actually fix everything Bethesda seems incapable of doing themselves.

/End Rant...
12  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: ITT - I post screens from the games I am playing (wiU) (there will be spoilers) on: December 01, 2013, 04:55:16 AM
Super Metroid

13  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: ITT - I post screens from the games I am playing (wiU) (there will be spoilers) on: November 30, 2013, 02:05:26 PM
Deus Ex HR: Directors Cut
14  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360/XB1/PS3/PS4/Wii U/PC]Assassin's Creed IV:Black Flag on: November 29, 2013, 08:27:21 PM

Quote from: Caine on November 27, 2013, 10:00:41 PM

I need to do this.  

http://kotaku.com/how-to-make-assassins-creed-iv-more-immersive-1472744643

makes all the gamey-ness go away.


I would say, if you or anyone has the Wii U version, just enable gamepad optimization and all of the hud options are moved to the gamepad, and you play with a pristine screen with nothing taking you away from the world, and a quick game pad glance gives you all the info you need.

This is What I see


And the Gamepad
15  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: ITT - I post screens from the games I am playing (wiU) (there will be spoilers) on: November 28, 2013, 09:18:53 PM
Ac Iv

16  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: ITT - I post screens from the games I am playing (wiU) (there will be spoilers) on: November 28, 2013, 05:40:52 PM
Sonic All-Star Racing

I love this game, very good mascot racer
17  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: ITT - I post screens from the games I am playing (wiU) (there will be spoilers) on: November 28, 2013, 05:42:42 AM
Second picture is AC IV

Next is Resident Evil Revelations;


I have a good sized library so I will be breaking it out this weekend.
18  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / ITT - I post screens from the games I am playing (wiU) (there will be spoilers) on: November 28, 2013, 04:33:07 AM
So I love the Wii U's Browser Screen Capture tool. You can essentially post uncompressed images to a website like copy . com and then put those link in places like this

So our forum resizes the image to a max of 1024*568, you should view the image source to see the full 720p pictures
;


Spoiler for Hiden:



If you want to join along I suggest checking out that thread I linked, I plan on just uploading stuff as I go about. It's a lot of fun to do.
19  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [wii u] Super Mario 3d World on: November 13, 2013, 02:43:24 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on November 13, 2013, 02:38:11 AM

Quote from: Tebunker on November 13, 2013, 02:17:46 AM

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DC7G0GG/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3V7B4JLMFC5Z&coliid=I3DZ6R76057FPH

tell me how that works for you Ceekay, it doesn't say anything about out of stock to me

I hit pre-order- add to cart, then I hit checkout, and on the submit page it gives the out of stock message.  I can still order, I just have no clue when it will arrive.  I've attached a pic to illustrate.
Craziness. I always figured they would just preorder to a point and then place their stock orders then. I wonder if this has anything to do with the bad blood between NOA and Amazon. I am going digital with Mario so not too worried, I would go Amazon otherwise.
20  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [wii u] Super Mario 3d World on: November 13, 2013, 02:17:46 AM
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DC7G0GG/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=3V7B4JLMFC5Z&coliid=I3DZ6R76057FPH

tell me how that works for you Ceekay, it doesn't say anything about out of stock to me
21  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS4] Whats the strategy for getting one if you didn't pre order? on: November 11, 2013, 06:55:19 PM
Seeing this thread reminds me of being a kid and wanting the newest whatever, and just hoping my parents would come through. They got me an NES when I was 8, it was awesome. I had to buy or split the cost of any gaming after that, but I think its great that you want to do this for your son.
22  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (11/04) on: November 08, 2013, 05:23:54 AM

Quote from: msduncan on November 04, 2013, 04:48:15 PM


Unrelated question:   Why do people trade in games when they could sell them on ebay and make 40+ dollars back in a lot of cases (if sold in time).   

I realize that the eBay fees are a lot more than they used to be, but most of the time Gamestop is literally raking you over the coals on these trades.    Then they turn around and sell them for 50+ dollars used.
when done right you can get back nearly as much and it is easier. I prefer best buy for trades tend to get more. I got 45 for Madden 25 for instance.
23  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Week 9 on: November 04, 2013, 04:34:56 AM
Just can't hold it in any longer, Chiefs 9-0, man it feels good, despite all of the teams flaws, they seem to pull it together and win. I am being realistic, however, and know it won't last, but I have been letting myself enjoy each win for 24 hours before nitpicking on them. Looking forward to the next 3 games because it will give a better idea of where the team will finally end up.
24  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Wii] Legend of Zelda: The Skyward Sword on: November 02, 2013, 08:56:03 PM

Quote from: JCC on November 02, 2013, 03:16:33 AM

I guess I'll buy that there's more of it in SS, but I just replayed about half of Wind Waker and it has PLENTY of hand holding in its own right. The king of red lions is basically telling you where to go and what to do. Wind Waker was certainly easier than SS so far... Although most of my difficulty is with the controls and winning even some of the routine fights take me way too long.

Just entered the second temple and am still having enough fun to keep playing, but I know the battles are going to get harder and I shudder to think how much more "precise" I am going to have to get with the sword....

I think it is a different kind of hand holding I guess, not as intrusive, and even though the King of Red Lions tells you where to go, you are allowed to go do whatever you want within limits of your equipment. Also, you aren't told what everything is everytime you load your save game. I know how much the rupees are worth, you don't have to remind me about everything.

Also, the later WW dungeons approach some of the best in the series.
25  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (10/28) on: November 02, 2013, 08:52:42 PM
I bought AC IV on the Wii U Eshop - It runs like a dream, plays like one too. I really like it.

I also ordered Sonic Lost Worlds because I am a sucker for Sonic (SANIC!) games

And for good measure I got DV HR DC on the Eshop too, yeah yeah I know I paid "more" for it, but I wanted the definitive version since I have never played it, and I wanted to support the studio on the Wii U.

So for the rest of the year I have Super Mario 3D World a couple of Digital indie games and whatever I can afford on the upcoming Target buy 2 get 1 deal. After that no more purchased until next year.
26  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Wii] Legend of Zelda: The Skyward Sword on: November 02, 2013, 02:13:58 AM

Quote from: wonderpug on November 01, 2013, 09:10:42 PM

The motion controls didn't bother me with this one, but the EXTREME amount of handholding really turned me off.  I love the Zelda series, but part of the fun is figuring out puzzles.  If I ever got to a puzzle that made me pause for a moment to think, before I could even test out an idea for the solution it seemed like the game would yell 'HEY TRY LOOKING FOR A LEVER BEHIND THAT BUSH OVER THERE'.

This is why I just got rid of it. For some reason Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword amped up the handholding to extreme levels. Made me hate them. Windwaker is perfect. It seems Aounuma is going to backing off the handholding too going forward.
27  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 30 days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: October 30, 2013, 03:26:06 PM

Quote from: forgeforsaken on October 30, 2013, 03:22:41 PM

He's widely discredited.

good to know, you never can tell with crap like this.
28  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 30 days until launch. Which system are you getting? on: October 30, 2013, 03:19:54 PM
Not trying to start anything but I just watched this, can't get those 8 minutes back, but does anyone know anything about this?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6h9l5Gb5hE

The TL DW of it, the guy says that the launches of these new systems are going to be a months long crap fest because the networks of both aren't completely ready. I have no idea, I don't follow this stuff, but I saw this, and I know a lot of you are more heavily invested here.
29  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360/PS3/PC/Wii U]Batman:Arkham Origins on: October 29, 2013, 03:11:34 AM

Quote from: davidrobots on October 29, 2013, 02:50:09 AM

My final review. I know you're already playing it already, but here it is: http://gamingtrend.com/reviews/gotham-city-impostor-batman-arkham-origins/

I was not a fan.

Shame they didn't provide the WiiU version, as posted earlier and on Neogaf, it is for all intents and purposes the superior version without all the bugginess or crappiness. So a passable game. At least owners of the PC version can get a patch later on.
30  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360/PS3/PC/Wii U]Batman:Arkham Origins on: October 27, 2013, 10:28:28 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=704251
Quote
Originally Posted by TDLink

Based on the OT the following things could be surmised about this version:

    Best framerate on consoles. They all have some frame drops but Wii U seems to have the least. Overall it seems to be Wii U > 360 >>>>>>>>>>>PS3 in this regard.
    No screentearing on Wii U.
    Better lighting on Wii U compared to PS3/360.
    All versions have glitches, including game breaking bugs but Wii U has less glitches than 360, PS3, or even PC with apparently no game breakers present. Including being able to actually do the Burnley tower correctly.
    Plus Off TV Play.
    Plus Map on the GamePad.
    Plus Achievements Posting on Miiverse.
    Minus Multiplayer.
    $10 less.


Overall, of the 4 versions, it seems like Wii U may be the best version while PS3 is definitely the worst for now.

Anyone get the Wii U version? I was going to wait for a price drop, but that thread also has a side by side 360/WiiU gameplay and the Wii U really does look better. May get it sooner than later.
31  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [XBLA/PSN/PC] How to Survive on: October 24, 2013, 02:59:42 AM
Hoping it hits the Wii U eshop tomorrow too, I like the idea of something like this with offline co-op, and they have promised some WiiU specific tweaks
32  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: October 24, 2013, 02:51:46 AM

Quote from: Arkon on October 24, 2013, 02:40:47 AM

Quote from: Suitably Ironic Moniker on October 24, 2013, 01:04:09 AM

Think "The Wizard of Oz".

Still don't get it.

Don't say Bengals, says what a Bengal is...
33  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Today I weep... on: October 24, 2013, 02:50:02 AM

Quote from: Azhag on October 23, 2013, 09:01:07 PM

Amazon started charging in VA this summer. Of course my wife is an honest accountant and makes us pay it anyways  crybaby

I was really excited to see the two distribution centers opened in Central Va area. The areas needed a jobs influx. I also wanted to see if I could figure out what exactly I could order and get faster than normal. At least VA sales tax is fairly low.


I moved to Cleveland last summer, fortunately I don't pay tax on purchases in OH, because it is 8% which isn't horribad, but I am glad I can save where I can.
34  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (10/21) on: October 23, 2013, 03:14:32 AM
Got Lego Marvel Superheros on the WII U from Amazon with a $10 kick back in credit.

Want to get Deus Ex Directors Cut on Wii U but since Destructor says it isn't coming out on WiiU I can't I guess  Tongue Roll Eyes icon_wink
35  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Deus Ex: Human Revolution - Impressions and stuff! [Official Review too!] on: October 14, 2013, 03:09:05 AM
Really want to play this, on Wii U no less, I want the second screen features and don't have a Vita. So I am kind of upset that the Wii U version is $50. I am just going to wait on reviews and the inevitable price drop. I am in for $30 to $40, but not $50.
36  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Friday: GTFO!!! on: October 12, 2013, 02:21:01 AM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on October 11, 2013, 11:10:17 PM

3-day weekend!  Cabbage Patch

Me too ! I haven't done a gottt damned thing today.. well beat Splinter Cell, so really not much.
37  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Wii U on: October 01, 2013, 06:58:27 PM
That new Mario 3d world trailer is the hottness. I was kind of meh on the game before but now, me likey what me see
38  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Wii U] Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker remake on: September 23, 2013, 06:45:21 PM
The wife and I played this alternating all weekend up to the deku tree. Each on our own save file. And the game is awesome. Even better than I remembered. The swift sail is boss. The updated textures and colors and overal graphics package is better. All of the music was rescored and is higher quality. The fact that they can load the entire ocean at once is awesome, you can see much farther out on the horizon. I cannot stop humming the sailing theme.

The miiverse/tingle bottle integration is awesome. Better pictobox with selifes is hilarious. I think this Zelda controls so well it makes you wonder why they bothered forcing waggle.

Definitley worth the eshop purchase for the 10 percent back. I have now gone digital on this, W101, super luigi dlc, and a bunch of other small games, several of which I got free because of the digital deluxe points.
39  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I'm a Dad! on: September 13, 2013, 02:25:24 AM
Congrats, Handsome boy.
40  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [Wii U] Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker remake on: September 13, 2013, 01:45:42 AM

Quote from: Ridah on September 13, 2013, 01:13:27 AM

Quote from: The Grue on September 13, 2013, 12:07:37 AM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on September 12, 2013, 08:00:36 PM

The funny thing is that I don't remember anybody saying they liked Wind Waker back when it was released.  I just remember all the criticisms over the art style and gameplay stuff.

Exactly and that is why I scratch my head when suddenly it is beloved by everyone.  I remember being one of the few back then who thought the art style was awesome.  Everyone else wanted realistic Link, which they got in TP.

I think the love comes out of desperation for games on an otherwise dead console.

Wow I think is possibly one of the silliest things I've ever read on this forum.

The love comes from nostalgia, and a little bit of hipsterness, also good things get better with age, oh and it being a solid game, and then there were the expectations that people had for the first Gamecube Zelda, when they first saw this they didn't know how to respond. As well, people are capable of looking back at stuff and realizing that things weren't as bad as they thought some ten years ago. It's amazing how opinions can change.

I've always loved WW, possibly my favorite Zelda title. It had it's moments, the map grind all but killed the game, but it has charm by the buckets full.

There is a funny gif out there about how Shigeru is confused, people told him they wanted something different with Zelda so he made WW, and fans were pissed, then they said they wanted realistic Zelda, and he brought them TWP, and fans were pissed, so he mashed it together and made Skyward Sword, and the fans were pissed. The point is that a lot of Zelda fans are dumb.
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