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81  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS4] Uncharted 4 on: November 15, 2013, 08:13:44 PM
I'm drooling at the thought of what might even be possible with the next Uncharted, being that I feel Naughty Dog are one of the best console developers often using the max potential of the console. Next-gen Naughty Dog. *drool*. It's going to be spectacular.

Though that map doesn't sell me on the idea that it would be going back in time, as the Uncharted series has always had old looking maps. Rather, I think maybe what we'll see is Nathan possibly recreating the famous voyage. Maybe there will be some sailing? Or at the very least visiting some of those locations in trying to retrace his steps, which thematically is very Uncharted-like.
82  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: November 08, 2013, 08:06:43 PM
I've always found modern TV setups to be rather complicated, even when they're supposed to be simplified, so don't feel bad. You could always go with a B&W TV and use a splitter slywink Kidding.   icon_razz
83  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: RIP Blockbuster on: November 08, 2013, 08:02:02 PM
I'm surprised it took this long, as I've seen a few Blockbusters still surviving in my region wondering how they're still going.
84  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: November 08, 2013, 04:52:35 AM

Quote from: Purge on November 08, 2013, 03:21:58 AM

Rumpy, what part of Canada are you in? My TV channel is in HD.

Northern Ontario. Sudbury to be exact. It's one of the few CTV channels that has yet to go HD, and Bell has been rather reluctant, or at least taking their sweet time. But I talked to someone who works at the local station who tells me that plans are underway, and that it will be about a year before we see anything. It's rather important for the community, as it's also a hub, serving Timmins, Sault Saint Marie, and North Bay. And yeah, we do only have one local channel.

Quote from: CeeKay on November 08, 2013, 03:33:36 AM

Quote from: Rumpy on November 08, 2013, 12:04:03 AM

I thought maybe you were at least Canadian living elsewhere, but maybe I'm confusing you with someone else.

that would be Canuck.

Ahh, I knew it! Thanks for setting me straight. smile
85  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: November 08, 2013, 12:04:03 AM

Quote from: TiLT on November 07, 2013, 09:48:45 PM

Quote from: Rumpy on November 07, 2013, 09:30:01 PM

Quote from: TiLT on November 07, 2013, 08:55:58 PM

Quote from: Rumpy on November 07, 2013, 08:53:38 PM

Quote from: TiLT on November 07, 2013, 04:07:16 PM

I'm sure almost none of those apps will be available over here. Tongue

If not now, then I'm sure it will be soon. Amazon's been slowly rolling out their digital infrastructure in Canada, opening up options that haven't been previously available.

There's a HUGE difference between Canada and Europe when it comes to these things (and even some difference between the UK and mainland Europe too). Canada often gets very similar deals as the US (with some restrictions), while Europe tends to get pretty much nothing. Hell, even Netflix has still got that new smell to it since it was introduced over here last year.

Yep, I pretty much figured. You're not living in Canada are you? Because our options with Amazon's been limited until recently with their digital infrastructure. We're just starting to get some things that were previously were only available in the US through Amazon, like their appstore for instance, paving the way for the Kindle Fire. So, if you're not living in Canada, that means I misunderstood you thinking you were in Canada, as I was purely talking about availability in Canada.

Heh, I thought everyone around here knew I'm from Norway at this point. Sorry about the confusion. Tongue

No prob. I thought maybe you were at least Canadian living elsewhere, but maybe I'm confusing you with someone else. So many members smile  Yeah, I expect things in Norway are very much harder to get in terms of digitally as compared to Canada, but even Canada has had its struggles and is slowly starting to overcome those hurdles. We're very much not at the same level as the U.S when it comes to things like this. There are many more restrictions and limitations in terms of digital delivery. Hell, our local TV channel isn't even in HD yet.
86  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: November 07, 2013, 09:30:01 PM

Quote from: TiLT on November 07, 2013, 08:55:58 PM

Quote from: Rumpy on November 07, 2013, 08:53:38 PM

Quote from: TiLT on November 07, 2013, 04:07:16 PM

I'm sure almost none of those apps will be available over here. Tongue

If not now, then I'm sure it will be soon. Amazon's been slowly rolling out their digital infrastructure in Canada, opening up options that haven't been previously available.

There's a HUGE difference between Canada and Europe when it comes to these things (and even some difference between the UK and mainland Europe too). Canada often gets very similar deals as the US (with some restrictions), while Europe tends to get pretty much nothing. Hell, even Netflix has still got that new smell to it since it was introduced over here last year.

Yep, I pretty much figured. You're not living in Canada are you? Because our options with Amazon's been limited until recently with their digital infrastructure. We're just starting to get some things that were previously were only available in the US through Amazon, like their appstore for instance, paving the way for the Kindle Fire. So, if you're not living in Canada, that means I misunderstood you thinking you were in Canada, as I was purely talking about availability in Canada.
87  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors are put to rest. on: November 07, 2013, 08:53:38 PM

Quote from: TiLT on November 07, 2013, 04:07:16 PM

I'm sure almost none of those apps will be available over here. Tongue

If not now, then I'm sure it will be soon. Amazon's been slowly rolling out their digital infrastructure in Canada, opening up options that haven't been previously available.
88  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Star Wars:1313 on: November 01, 2013, 06:10:21 PM

Quote from: Roguetad on November 01, 2013, 01:27:22 AM

I like how in the SW universe they have the tech to make deadly light beam swords, but rifles need to be 6-7 feet long to be accurate?  Maybe it doubles as a walking cane.       

Or maybe his special move is a slapshot to the nuts...
89  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Star Wars:1313 on: November 01, 2013, 12:39:11 AM

Quote from: metallicorphan on October 31, 2013, 08:12:38 PM

and yeah the weapon does look like a Hockey Stick

Zam Wessell uses a sniper rifle in Attack of the clones,so perhaps its a similar weapon that some Bounty Hunters use


Yeah, it's the bend at the end that really makes it look like a hockey stick, and actually the way he has it slung on his back too.
90  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Star Wars:1313 on: October 31, 2013, 07:31:27 PM

Quote from: Punisher on October 30, 2013, 08:42:21 PM

Quote from: Rumpy on October 30, 2013, 06:40:50 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on October 29, 2013, 07:32:00 PM


That helmet looks like it has ears...  Boba Fett is supposed to be a badass. I wouldn't be able to take him seriously with that helmet.
I don't think that was supposed to be Boba Fett.. But I agree on the ears thing.. ugh... But then, it IS a Disney property now...

Who is it then? Mickey?  icon_lol The first image you see is a guy I assume is Boba Fett since he's supposed to be the star of the game, unless it's the earlier character that had been created before Lucas wanted it to be Boba Fett. You see the same shot of the character, but with the same helmet further down. And is it just me or does that weapon look like a hockey stick?
91  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Star Wars:1313 on: October 30, 2013, 06:40:50 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on October 29, 2013, 07:32:00 PM


That helmet looks like it has ears...  Boba Fett is supposed to be a badass. I wouldn't be able to take him seriously with that helmet.
92  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie] The ExpendaBelles on: October 27, 2013, 12:16:17 AM
Angelina Jolie should be in it.
93  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS4] The Order: 1886 on: October 23, 2013, 04:50:17 AM
Yeah, was interested until the co-op shooter thing. I definitely agree that it would be more interesting as an RPG in that setting. Arcanum 2, anyone?
94  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I like feeling a part of a gaming community.. on: October 17, 2013, 09:06:50 PM

Quote from: Purge on October 17, 2013, 06:58:14 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on October 17, 2013, 06:15:17 PM

I thought it was more college slywink

Depends. Did it involve a funnel and medical tubing?

Spoiler for Hiden:
... if it did, put on a toque and get the hell up here, ya hoser!

Perfect song to go along with it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot70G4wSQi0
95  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I like feeling a part of a gaming community.. on: October 15, 2013, 04:01:16 AM
Don't go, Arc! We Canadian brothers need to stick together!
96  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Gobble-gobble ... on: October 15, 2013, 03:26:04 AM
A beret to be more exact.
97  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Gobble-gobble ... on: October 14, 2013, 06:37:57 PM

Quote from: morlac on October 14, 2013, 04:05:11 PM

Quote from: Purge on October 14, 2013, 03:26:54 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving_(Canada)

Basically, yes. The common belief is that we're more north, and harvest comes sooner, that thanksgiving happens earlier in the year.

And here I was thinking the only thing that grows up there were Moose and Hockey players.

And Beavers. How could you forget those? Tongue But yep, we're further north, so it gets colder quicker, the harvest happens sooner, and so we celebrate it earlier. I'm surprised this year though as it seems fairly warm for this time of year. We're used to it snowing by the time Halloween comes around. The Northern States could just as easily celebrate it in October due to the similar conditions.
98  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Gobble-gobble ... on: October 14, 2013, 07:03:18 AM
Some of us were busy having turkey smile
99  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Steam Box - pre-made or build your own in 2014! Now with funky controller! on: October 13, 2013, 07:29:55 AM
What strikes me is how awkward the button placement is. In traditional controllers, they're all off to the side, but here they're spread out to different quadrants, and it seems to me you'd have to take your finger off the pad to reach them, and if you have to do that with a pad that you rely on for constant motion, well... it sounds really cumbersome and distracting.
100  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Hold that pose! (Looking at getting a new camera) on: October 11, 2013, 06:10:42 PM

Quote from: rshetts2 on October 11, 2013, 01:50:57 PM

Quote from: Rumpy on October 11, 2013, 04:13:38 AM

Quote from: wonderpug on October 11, 2013, 02:44:53 AM

I can't recommend highly enough that you go to a local brick & mortar camera store and try to hold these things in person.  If you hold one and fall in the love with the way it feels compared to the other options, go for it. 

Yep, agreed. It's one thing to look at them online, but it's really a good idea to get a feel for them. Don't know how any of the stores work over there, but one store over here frequently has sales on the different brands. Like for instance, one month might be Nikon, another Canon, and so on. Also a real camera store will have knowledgeable people who are trained to know the cameras they sell, vs a big box store like Costco, and you'll be much more comfortable taking it into a camera store for questions and any repairs.

While I agree with what you say here I do want to point out that Costco has the best return policy on the planet. 

Right, but if you research well enough, you wouldn't be returning it.
101  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Hold that pose! (Looking at getting a new camera) on: October 11, 2013, 04:13:38 AM

Quote from: wonderpug on October 11, 2013, 02:44:53 AM

I can't recommend highly enough that you go to a local brick & mortar camera store and try to hold these things in person.  If you hold one and fall in the love with the way it feels compared to the other options, go for it. 

Yep, agreed. It's one thing to look at them online, but it's really a good idea to get a feel for them. Don't know how any of the stores work over there, but one store over here frequently has sales on the different brands. Like for instance, one month might be Nikon, another Canon, and so on. Also a real camera store will have knowledgeable people who are trained to know the cameras they sell, vs a big box store like Costco, and you'll be much more comfortable taking it into a camera store for questions and any repairs.
102  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Hold that pose! (Looking at getting a new camera) on: October 10, 2013, 01:56:04 AM
Several feet away. It was quite curious and tried to get as close to us as possible. Taken at Yosemite smile
103  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Hold that pose! (Looking at getting a new camera) on: October 10, 2013, 01:39:07 AM
Out of curiosity, this is a picture taken with a P&S I had taken earlier this year:

104  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Hold that pose! (Looking at getting a new camera) on: October 09, 2013, 09:28:42 PM

Quote from: Arkon on October 09, 2013, 07:55:09 PM

Most of the photos I am looking to do aren't spur of the moment.  They would be intentionally planned...like next week when we take the kids to the pumpkin patch.  The point and shoot we had was one of the Nikon Coolpix series.  Many photos would turn out very dark, or blurred when the camera would invariably focus on the wrong object in the picture even though it looked correct on the viewscreen.

Yeah, that was the case with older cameras, specfically with smaller sensors. Nowadays though, they're advanced well enough to have features that help prevent that kind of thing from happening. For example, the HX30V's auto mode will let you know what it sees by having different symbols, for example it can distinguish between flowers and people, or landscapes, and it will always use the best setting for the purpose based on what it sees, and it will engage a backlight mode if it feels the subject is underlit and take three consecutive shots to counteract that.
105  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Hold that pose! (Looking at getting a new camera) on: October 09, 2013, 07:16:47 PM
Honestly, point and shoot cameras have improved tremendously in the last few years. If anything, if capturing memories of your children are the main concern, I'd go with P&S as they're more likely to stay with you wherever you go, and there are some models that offer benefits of DSLR if you go with some of the more advanced models. About a year ago, my Brother had a wedding, and while we have a Canon 7D, we opted not to bring it as it's quite bulky, and we later regretted that decision as most of the pictures were from the bride's side of the family and once we knew we were going on a long roadtrip, we started talking about getting a P&S, but with DSLR-like benefits. We looked at both Canon and Nikon and several other makes, and we settled on the Sony HX30V, a fantastic camera that has an amazing auto mode and also a very good manual mode, plus a bunch of other cool goodies such as an awesome panoramic mode. This camera gives the best of both worlds that fits in your pocket.
106  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Grand Theft Auto V on: September 29, 2013, 05:05:08 PM
That's creepy eek
107  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Disney closes Lucasarts! on: September 29, 2013, 04:41:26 AM

Quote from: Jumangi on September 28, 2013, 11:35:20 PM

Quote from: Rumpy on September 28, 2013, 06:29:37 PM

I didn't read it as being Lucas's fault. From reading the article, he was genuinely interested in making good games, even becoming excited about them when involved. I think the fault lies in the management not schooling him in game development procedure (a problem when the management itself was disconnected from the process) which led him to have an unnatural expectation of what could be done. I don't blame him for thinking it could be done. If someone like the LucasArts president were able to approach him without restriction with concerns instead of that liaison dictacting everything, then I think things could have been different. He did what he knew best, making decisions from a filmmaker's point of view which was unfortunate, instead of decisions from a gamemaker's point of view due to a disconnect.

Its clearly stated in the article that he came in and told them to make major changes after they were well into development with the 1313 game. Maybe he felt its wasn't that big of a deal but someone needed to stand up and say that's too much, but its apparent the management was a bunch of "yes men" that bowed to the mighty Lucas.

Yes, exactly. Someone needed to stand up to him and at least inform him that it wasn't a good idea to do so late in development, but the liaison from what was described in the article didn't make that possible. I'd have thought that the developers would be more on the equal in terms of honest feedback with him, but apparently that wasn't the case. Honestly, I'd rather have wanted to play as an unnamed bounty hunter that I could name myself. I know that technically Boba Fett would likely sell better, but from a gameplay perspective being an unnamed bounty hunter making a name for himself by rising through the ranks just feels more appealing to me. So, even if the project hadn't been cancelled, I think the idea itself wouldn't have been a great one.  The Jedi Knight games are a great example of using an original character and telling his story within the universe. I think something along those lines would have been fine.
108  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Disney closes Lucasarts! on: September 28, 2013, 09:44:18 PM

Quote from: Turtle on September 28, 2013, 06:39:01 PM

I disagree. He was involved in the production of movies, many movies in fact.

He should know that you don't change too much during or after filming, or if you do, you get ready for costly reshoots.

Anyone involved in a big production goes through preproduction for a reason, scripts are drafted for a reason even if changes are made on the spot during filming. Sets, props, costumes, are all made ahead of time and if changes are made those are wasted.

What he did was essentially tell them to, in the middle of filming, recast and rewrite the entire story.

As we all know, many movies have actually had that happen, and they all don't fare well. Games just happen to fare worse when that happens.

I don't disagree, in fact that was pretty much my point. But I do think it stemmed from a lack of communication in knowing how much those decisions would affect the game. The article does say that as a filmmaker, he was used to changing his mind all the time, (and probably got too used to doing so), but didn't realize how damaging that same process of thought could be towards game development, especially one so close to the end. For all we know, he probably didn't know how far along they were with the game considering all the other stuff and lack of communication going on within the company. I don't attribute that to a lack of foresight on his part, but rather the management and their carelessness.
109  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Disney closes Lucasarts! on: September 28, 2013, 06:29:37 PM
I didn't read it as being Lucas's fault. From reading the article, he was genuinely interested in making good games, even becoming excited about them when involved. I think the fault lies in the management not schooling him in game development procedure (a problem when the management itself was disconnected from the process) which led him to have an unnatural expectation of what could be done. I don't blame him for thinking it could be done. If someone like the LucasArts president were able to approach him without restriction with concerns instead of that liaison dictacting everything, then I think things could have been different. He did what he knew best, making decisions from a filmmaker's point of view which was unfortunate, instead of decisions from a gamemaker's point of view due to a disconnect.
110  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [TV] Crazy Ones on: September 28, 2013, 04:22:44 AM
Heh, glad I wasn't the only one! smile Yeah, quite engaging as you say, and I didn't even mind the product placement as it fit the theme of an advertising agency, though it does make me wonder if every episode will have major sponsors like that.
111  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [TV] Michael J. Fox show on: September 28, 2013, 03:30:46 AM
Well yeah, "Crush" I admit was the wrong word to use. It was the word his wife used in order to tease him, which is why I put "hot neighbour lady" in quotations.  Still, the rest of my comments stand.
112  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [TV] Crazy Ones on: September 28, 2013, 12:40:04 AM
So, who watched? Ended up recording it and honestly, it's probably one of the best shows this season. Much better than the dull Michael J. Fox show. I like it quite a bit. Writing was good and snappy and I can see myself watching it from week to week. Gave me the same kind of feeling as watching Kelsey Grammer return with Frasier when it first began.
113  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [TV] Michael J. Fox show on: September 27, 2013, 06:44:25 PM

Quote from: Punisher on September 27, 2013, 05:42:30 PM

Quote from: Rumpy on September 27, 2013, 05:26:47 PM

I want him to succeed but this isn't the right vehicle for him.
what about this one?
Spoiler for Hiden:

Hah, I have to admit that made me laugh  icon_mrgreen

Another thing is that the casting feels really random. You don't get the feeling from them that they're a family, but rather that they're bunch of people living under the same roof, and I guess maybe that's down to a lack of chemistry between all of them. For a family-based drama, that's pretty much essential, yet it's missing here. An example of that is from the second episode where he gets a crush for the "hot neighbour lady". My first thought was, "Sure, go ahead..." as I couldn't see him having any connection with his wife, played by Betsy Bright, who's technically a good actress, but I feel she was miscast here as she doesn't give off a motherly vibe, instead  feeling more like one of the kids. In fact, she constantly reminded me of the big sister on Family Ties, which I found distracting. Just feels off all over the place.
114  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [TV] Michael J. Fox show on: September 27, 2013, 05:26:47 PM
Yeah, watched it and I doubt I'll continue watching. It was aweful, right down to the casting and the writing, which was cringe-worthy at times, which is a shame since I'd been looking forward to it so much. Right now it's probably the show I'm most disappointed with. Not a fan of the talking to the camera as I feel it doesn't really fit here. It just feels rather stale and muted. It's great that he's back and I want him to succeed but this isn't the right vehicle for him.
115  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Grand Theft Auto V on: September 19, 2013, 09:04:51 PM
Here's a question that's I haven't seen brought up. Are garages shared between characters or are they locked to specific characters? With the garage in San Fierro in SA, it sounded so much like the kind of place that you would have had sharing going on as a form of "corporation".
116  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Grand Theft Auto V on: September 18, 2013, 07:40:54 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on September 18, 2013, 07:07:24 PM

Quote from: Rumpy on September 18, 2013, 06:56:26 PM


That screenshot of Grove Street... is it still called that in-game? Also, maybe it's just the lighting, but it doesn't look like it has as many houses as in SA.


I think it is,at least i think one of the garages where you store cars is called Grove Street Garage,and yeah as i said GTA:SA was set in 1992,i think this game is set in 2013(although it could be 2014*),so there could have been a lot of redevelopment,that's if it IS the same street

I see. Yeah, that'd make sense, I suppose. I found a screenshot with better lighting:

http://psx-scene.com/forums/attachments/f258/47392d1379397618-grove-street-gta-v-1271438_10152229503692907_394593875_o.jpg
117  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Grand Theft Auto V on: September 18, 2013, 06:56:26 PM
Damn, all this feedback about the game really makes me want to get it now, but I think it's one I'll wait for Christmas. Sounds amazing though!


That screenshot of Grove Street... is it still called that in-game? Also, maybe it's just the lighting, but it doesn't look like it has as many houses as in SA.


Quote from: ATB on September 18, 2013, 05:51:30 PM

Proof that GTA is bad for society:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=32e_1379521869

Nerd rage at a GB!

I'll counter that with this:

http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/canada/Boys+returning+from+Grand+Theft+Auto+launch+rescue+burning/8924314/story.html
118  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Grand Theft Auto V on: September 18, 2013, 01:43:12 AM
How's the wildlife in this game? Is it comparable to what it was in RDR? Better?
119  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Grand Theft Auto V on: September 17, 2013, 11:12:43 PM

Quote from: Lordnine on September 17, 2013, 04:02:05 PM


Well, if playing a Nintendo game won’t ruin you man credibility as someone in this thread seemed to suggest...

*sigh* That's not at all what I meant. Poor choice of words on my part. Sounded to me like the author of the article was expecting more of a lighthearted tone (tried to use Nintendo as an example as I was in a rush), which is surprising considering all the negative associations this game series has had in the past. His surprise was almost comical, almost as if he had been living under a rock, and expecting something else entirely than what the series has offered as of late. That maybe it wasn't the game he was really wanting to play.

Never meant for my words to come across like nobody could criticize it or that anyone should go play Nintendo games if they didn't like it, and for that I apologize. Again, poor choice of words on my part.
120  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Grand Theft Auto V on: September 17, 2013, 08:08:15 PM

Quote from: Razgon on September 17, 2013, 05:49:43 AM

Quote from: Rumpy on September 16, 2013, 09:01:09 PM

I agree. I think that anybody by now should be able to figure out that those kind of characters come with the territory. Anybody expecting anything less has clearly not been paying attention all these years. Perhaps if that's what they want, they should go play Nintendo games.

Its a shame that we can't criticize a game or story anymore other than being told to "go play a kids game" these days.

Is this really what people find interesting? It IS a shame, because the world building seems incredibly talented and well-done, and if only they could tone it down a bit, it would probably be the best game ever. Its just a shame that it has to be ultra-violence, that I do no think any 11 year old ever should be exposed to, that is selling the game.

Anyways, I'll be over here playing some Nintendo game, I guess.

Well, I admit that was low of me, so I apologize. I was referring more to the tone of the games rather Nintendo games themselves and didn't mean to say that anyone couldn't criticize the game, like I said in my early post and I'm sorry if it came across that way. What was meant was that one shouldn't be expecting anything other than what it is at this point. It shouldn't really be any surprise considering the direction Rockstar's been going in. But I do agree that they could tone it down some. I cringed quite a bit during SA and felt it was quite overdone. My last Rockstar game was RDR.
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