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81  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Duck Dynasty on: December 21, 2013, 10:41:57 PM

Quote from: Gratch on December 21, 2013, 04:18:41 PM

Identifying someone as black isn't the issue.  The issue is his wave-of-the-hand dismissal of the challenges African-Americans faced because he "didn't see them".

I'll bet that those who lived through the pre-Civil Rights era would strongly disagree about the lack of mistreatment.  Just IMO, of course.

I don't see where his saying he didn't witness it is equal to saying it didn't exist. If I say I never saw any Jews persecuted mean I am dismissing what they have been subjected to. If I say I have never personally seen any gays beaten up or ridiculed am I dismissing the evidence that they have. Sounds like people are attaching meaning to his words that isn't there.

Perhaps it would be preferential for him to dawn the proverbial Hillary negro accent and profess a bunch of lies to tell people what they would like to hear like he was running for office?
82  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Duck Dynasty on: December 21, 2013, 05:21:22 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on December 20, 2013, 04:10:31 PM

Quote from: Gratch on December 20, 2013, 02:05:36 PM

While I'm sure it's going to cost them significantly, I applaud A&E for having the balls to show that they're not willing to have the guy spouting bigoted and racist bullshit be one of the major public faces representing their network. 
hopefully it will just kill the show.

Hardly, just going to make it even more popular. Just maybe not on A&E. Although I suspect A&E will work hard to prevent that from happening.
83  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: NBA2k14 on: December 11, 2013, 12:26:04 AM
Could be the simulation logic doing that. I never accel the game. I like to watch the team and see how they play without me.

Also make sure you turn on the display of plays in the presentation settings and also "Run Plays" wherever that setting is. Without playcalling on the game turns into an Isolation/Pick and Roll fest.
84  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: 'Historic mistake': Israelis, Republicans condemn Iran nuclear deal on: November 24, 2013, 06:12:35 PM
I put up a poll on OO to see how many people think this will work.

Another move that has an unexpected upside for me. I never expected it to be possible to push Israel and Saudi Arabia into becoming allies, but there you have it.
85  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Harry Reid Leaning Toward Filibuster Reform Vote This Week on: November 23, 2013, 07:47:11 PM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on November 23, 2013, 03:20:31 PM

Quote from: ATB on November 23, 2013, 05:45:06 AM

No outrage at this?

What if the repubs had done it?

I'm not sure what question you're asking.

If you're wondering whether there would be outrage if modern day Republicans suddenly voted en masse to strip away their own ability to filibuster presidential appointments for no reason, I think Conservative voters would be absolutely livid.  These Republicans were elected on an open platform of generating gridlock, rejecting all compromise, and absolutely blocking every action President Obama tries to take.  Giving up one of the main obstruction tools would guarantee they'd be primaried by challengers even further to the Right.

Or are you wondering about the outrage level if we lived in an alternate dimension where Democrats had spent half a decade abusing parliamentary procedures to frustrate a Republican president -- repeatedly wounding the national economy in the process -- and now a Republican majority was finally taking steps to reinstate a minimal level of governmental functionality?  In that case, I'd point out that people in such a universe would say "goodbye" when they arrived, "hello" when they left, and that "outrage" would be a synonym for "euphoric indifference."  It would also be against the law.

-Autistic Angel

Well there is one thing that can be confirmed without the need of Congress. That you are obtuse.

86  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Marvel: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. on: November 22, 2013, 05:52:03 AM

Quote from: rittchard on November 21, 2013, 11:05:32 PM

Whatever!  I finally got some Agent Ward beefcake!!!

You could at least wipe it off now.
87  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [TV] Person of Interest - Season 3 starting on: November 20, 2013, 04:35:17 AM
The death of a main character and it wasn't who everyone thought.

Spoiler for Hiden:
We will miss you Det. Carter.
88  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: NBA2k14 on: November 19, 2013, 01:59:39 PM
PS4/XBone version is totally different than current gen versions. Next gen appears to me to be a move in the "Free to Pay again" direction.

It looks nice but microtransactions are the devil!
89  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: NBA2k14 on: November 18, 2013, 11:24:25 PM
Are we talking the next gen PS4 version or current gen? I play current gen on the PC but would lke to check out the next gen version. Just not enough to by a PS4.
90  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford - the Pure Embodiment of Political Nonsense! on: November 16, 2013, 05:32:42 AM
He could have meant cat. Now you know what happened to all those stray cats in Toronto.
91  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Toronto Mayor Rob Ford - the Pure Embodiment of Political Nonsense! on: November 08, 2013, 07:20:53 AM
I can't watch anything of this guy without cracking up, he makes me think of Chris Farley too much.

It isn't enough that he looks like him but it seems everything he does looks like it could come right out of one of his skits.

92  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Grand Theft Auto V on: November 05, 2013, 04:53:52 AM
I watched like three hours of video of people playing this weekend.   smoke

I figure by the time it comes out on the PC I will already know the storyline paths and where all the cool shit is hidden. I can see my son now watching me play after just downloading it and going right to everything.

"How did you know that was there?" How did you know that?"

I will just smirk and tell him it is because daddy is ten times the gamer you will ever be. I know where to find loot in games they haven't even written yet.

93  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Week 9 on: November 05, 2013, 04:48:19 AM
Andre Johnson is a ball hog.

Oh wait that is basketball isn't it?    unibrow
94  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Shooting at LAX on: November 04, 2013, 11:07:14 PM
If you want to throw your opinion out there don't be surprised when there are people who think your opinion stinks, and when that opinion is on a controversial issue to think it won't illicit a response is ludicrus.
95  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Shooting at LAX on: November 04, 2013, 06:45:54 PM

Yet the rate of gun homicides per 100K people is as low as it has been for sometime.
96  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Week 9 on: November 04, 2013, 12:07:44 AM
naednek we saw what you did!

Deleting it WILL NOT undo the damage.    Tongue
97  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I just made a new thread on: November 02, 2013, 06:57:04 PM

Quote from: Scraper on November 01, 2013, 02:40:30 PM

Why hasn't a mod responded?

Because this is a boys club full of elitists.
98  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I just made a new thread on: October 31, 2013, 11:08:28 PM

Quote from: Exodor on October 31, 2013, 11:04:07 PM

I just posted in this thread.

Just make sure you clean it up.
99  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: What will Obama's Scandals Be? on: October 30, 2013, 04:36:55 AM

Quote from: Purge on October 30, 2013, 04:25:27 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on October 30, 2013, 04:14:43 AM


Magic is dead. I've heard her talk.

Nothing a ball gag won't fix.
100  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: What will Obama's Scandals Be? on: October 30, 2013, 04:35:40 AM
The only thing that surprises me is how many people actually thought that when he said "No matter what you have heard, I'm telling you. You can keep you insurance if you like it. You can keep your doctor."


Anyway in reference to this piece of the lie.

None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.

Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.” 
That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.
Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”
“This says that when they made the promise, they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” said  Robert Laszewski, of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, a consultant who works for health industry firms. Laszewski estimates that 80 percent of those in the individual market will not be able to keep their current policies and will have to buy insurance that meets requirements of the new law, which generally requires a richer package of benefits than most policies today.

Note that is an NBC story, where if it is about the administration and it bad you know it has to be true or no way in hell would they print it.

Face it what he aws saying was not true and HE KNEW it. Well in as much as he seems to know anything.
101  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: NFL 2013 -- Week 8 on: October 25, 2013, 11:04:51 PM
Bitch needs to put some stickum on her hands.

102  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Marvel: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. on: October 24, 2013, 04:14:16 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on October 23, 2013, 11:26:08 PM

Quote from: Blackjack on October 23, 2013, 08:46:35 PM

Quote from: hepcat on October 23, 2013, 07:03:30 PM

It got a little better last night, but I still feel like I'm watching something with the Whedon name on it...that I eventually find out was written by his nine year old nephew.
You're not far off  icon_smile The showrunners are Joss' brother Jed Whedon, sister-in-law Maurissa Tancharoen and Jeffrey Bell.

So if it doesn't feel like a Joss Whedon show (imho, aside from some fun moments in last week's episode, it hasn't) it's probably because Joss is busy with Avengers: Age of Ultron, chiming in on Marvel's other film projects and probably doesn't have much time to be involved with Agents beyond some story note stuff. For the most part, the show just doesn't seem to have the snappy dialogue and characters of a Joss Show.

I really did enjoy last week's episode and felt like it had more "Joss-like" touches in it. I finally got home from work early enough to watch most of this week's episode on TV but I just found it OK.

Maybe they would've been better off just calling the show "Coulson" and building the show more closely around that character, rather than having a bunch of generally vanilla ensemble characters that neither hardcore Marvel fans nor the general TV viewing public seem to have much interest in, to this point.

imho, Melinda May could become the most popular, interesting character if they would consistently give her something more interesting to do than "drive the bus" and grumble to Coulson about this and that. She has a fascinating back story, why not give us more insight into it? Rather than continuing to fixate on the "too gorgeous to be a hacker" hacker?

I'm reminded of NBC's failed "Bionic Woman" remake (2007) where they had a tremendous actress (Katee Sackhoff) playing a psychologically messed up first bionic woman who (imho) was way more compelling as a recurring character, than the "new" and too bland first bionic woman. I was like, "You clods should've done a show about the messed up first bionic women, and fanboys would've flocked to see Katee Sackhoff every week."

I think you're right about Ming Na's character.  She's already a favorite in our house, and I have to imagine she'll get cooler and cooler stuff to do as the show goes on.

I loved when Skye opened the door and there she was. I don't know that it has so much to do with acting (although that is important with the setup) as the perfect situation and all she had to do was shine that stoic look. The acting on the part of Skye sold it really well, the look on her face was perfect.
103  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [TV] Person of Interest - Season 3 starting on: October 23, 2013, 09:35:39 PM
I loved seeing Shaw truly bond with someone. Entire time I am thinking "anyone that hurts that girl is going to pay dearly".

Also loved the Carter scene at the end. I could tell she knew they were about to try and manhandle her and I was trying to think who might help her. Pleasantly surprised to see she didn't need ANY help.

A little worried about the Shaw/Root tease. I am enjoying both characters and don't want to see the edginess of the relationship make me like either one less.
104  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [TV] The Blacklist on: October 22, 2013, 06:13:52 AM

Quote from: Roman on October 22, 2013, 04:49:16 AM

well we got some much needed traction on the whole box in the floor storyline. Can't wait to see how it all plays out.

Yea it came to a head. I wish I could have read more of what the stuff in the file was about. This may be one where I would like to go look at some freeze frames later on.

The preview hinted at him having some lover as well. Next week should be pretty exciting as it looks as if much of that story will be told.

edit: The dream was pretty cool as well, although I pretty much knew it was a dream about two seconds in.
105  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Euro Truck Simulator 2 on: October 20, 2013, 03:32:48 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on October 20, 2013, 03:40:42 AM

we got WoT and now more WoT, we have WoW and WoW... they need to come up with more acronyms.

To me it stands for World of Turd until I can actually drive in a universe with my friends.

A website for sharing pictures and some cyber masterbation fantasy of running a virtual trucking company if as useless as tits on a boar.
106  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Euro Truck Simulator 2 on: October 20, 2013, 03:29:47 PM

Quote from: Purge on October 20, 2013, 02:41:03 AM

Take your time.

He is....he just wants to know what that sign says! SO do you know or not?

 Tongue icon_lol
107  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Grand Theft Auto V on: October 20, 2013, 03:27:37 PM

Quote from: Purge on October 20, 2013, 03:42:13 AM

Actually, haven't cut the cellophane yet.


Someone(ibdoomed) had posted one on OO.
108  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Grand Theft Auto V on: October 19, 2013, 06:13:26 PM

Quote from: jztemple2 on October 14, 2013, 03:08:00 AM

Anyone done the third triathlon yet?
Spoiler for Hiden:
Holy crap. Swimming, biking and running, which in GTAV means pressing the "A" button over and over and over again. Got first place, although the game probably gave me a little help, and oh yeah, I kept cutting in front of my pursuers. Final time was 28:23.133. That's right, almost a half hour of pressing that damn "A" key over and over again  eek

Someone needs to make an XBOX controller with autofire. I had a joystick that had that more than ten years ago, I am surprised no one has done it yet. Thankfully if I ever get to play this it iwill be when it comes on the PC where I can add my own autofire.     slywink
109  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie] Blade Runner prequel or sequel coming? on: October 18, 2013, 12:41:39 PM

Quote from: Purge on October 18, 2013, 12:34:08 PM

yes, but it *has* been retconned, and deviated from the original story in doing so. Tongue slywink

This and allow me to add that for a writer to disclose what he had in mind when writing a story is as bad of an idea as a songwriter discloses what a song was really about.

I can't recall who or were but I recall reading a story recently about a song and the meaning of it and the songwriter correctly declined to say explaining that the song meant different things to different people and he didn't want to rob them of what the story being told by the song was to them because a really good song (like a movie) means different things to different people.
110  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie] Blade Runner prequel or sequel coming? on: October 18, 2013, 12:22:27 PM

Quote from: TiLT on October 18, 2013, 04:32:20 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on October 17, 2013, 11:52:07 PM

I was quoting you back to you.

Okay, let me try a different approach since this obviously isn't working. Tongue

Imagine Schrödinger's Cat. Someone has locked a cat in a box, and we're arguing whether or not the cat is alive. As long as we can't observe it, it's both alive and dead, and our own theories are just as valid as anyone else's.

But then the person who puts the cat in the box reveals that he knows that the cat is dead. People can decide not to believe him, but at the end of the day, the cat is still dead.

It's not a perfect analogy (personal interpretation isn't blind faith when it comes to movies, after all), but it'll hopefully make my point clearer.

Or to repeat myself from earlier in the thread: You can have any interpretation you want of Blade Runner, and it'll be perfectly valid as your personal interpretation no matter what happens. However, once you decide to share your interpretation in public, you'll always have to face the fact that the official word says you're wrong. That does not invalidate your personal opinion.

So if you were quoting me, this is what you should have been quoting. Instead you think I'm telling you that you can't have a personal interpretation when there's an official word out there, despite me trying over and over to make it clear that I'm not saying any such thing.

Yet we still don't KNOW if the cat is alive or dead. The person who put the cat in the box could be a liar, delusional, or the cat just appeared dead. Either way the cat is both alive and dead.

Yesterdays official word is tommorrows changed interpretation, misquoted, or just revised official word.

These shows are like soap operas, just because someone is dead today doesn't mean they won't be back. So Decker may have been a replicant in the writer's mind when he penned the story but that doesn't preclude him from not being one in the next movie.
111  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Marvel: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. on: October 18, 2013, 12:12:37 PM
I am amused at people being unhappy that characters in a superhero show are dissappointing because they do things and think unrealistically. As if ANYTHING they do or think is at all realistic.

A bunch of comic book shrews.
112  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [USA] SHUTDOWN SHUTDOWN!!!!!! Sequel is in the works, slated for Q1 2014 release on: October 18, 2013, 12:06:49 PM
1. There were more than just TP republicans that decided to oppose the CR.
2. A vast majority of them supported the agenda they were pursuing, just not this approach.
113  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [USA] SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! Exclusive DLC 'The Ceiling' coming soon! on: October 16, 2013, 07:54:19 PM

Quote from: raydude on October 16, 2013, 12:34:32 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on October 16, 2013, 02:02:47 AM

heh.  if you look closely, the guy in front of her wearing a dark blue cap is wearing a white coat that is blending in with her pasty white skin.

Um, if that blue cap guy belongs to the white coat body and hands then he has a seriously elongated neck. I think there is a short senior citizen lady with white hair (you can see it poking out of the forehead of the girl with backpack) wearing a white sweater holding her hand up.

114  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [USA] SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! Exclusive DLC 'The Ceiling' coming soon! on: October 09, 2013, 11:52:32 PM

Quote from: Gratch on October 09, 2013, 03:41:06 PM

Quote from: Rip on October 09, 2013, 02:51:11 PM

You wouldn't even need that. The republicans have tried to take the approach of sending on the stuff everyone can agree on so it can be whittled down to budget areas where there are differences. That was not acceptable to Reid/Obama. They fear loosing leverage for the stuff they know wouldn't get through. Both sides are more worried about getting their less popular pet issues through than the most important meat items that neither one dares oppose.

Right. Because that's how a government should be budgeted and run. Defund everything, then refund things one at a time in a knee-jerk fashion, based on whatever the media happens to focus on.

I didn't say it should, I was just pointing out that the suggestion was something already attempted.
115  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [USA] SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! Exclusive DLC 'The Ceiling' coming soon! on: October 09, 2013, 02:51:11 PM

Quote from: raydude on October 09, 2013, 01:26:09 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on October 08, 2013, 09:40:24 PM

hopefully they fix this piece of bullshit right quick:

In what veterans call an outrageous slight after the ultimate sacrifice, the shuttered federal government is withholding a $100,000 payment normally wired to relatives of fallen soldiers — including the families of five killed in Afghanistan over the weekend.

The payment, known as the death gratuity, is typically sent to families of the fallen within three days to help them cover funeral costs or travel to meet the flag-draped coffins of their loved ones.

“It is upsetting because my husband died for his country, and now his family is left to worry,” said Ashley Peters of Springfield, Mo., whose husband, Jeremy, was a special agent assigned to the Army’s 5th Military Police Battalion and was among the five killed. “My husband always said if something happened to him we would be taken care of.”

“I’m a stay-at-home mom, which is what my husband wanted,” she said. “He wanted me to take care of our son.”

Outrage over the lapse built Tuesday in both parties in Congress, among the relatives of the fallen and among veteran advocacy groups, which characterized it as an unacceptable breach of the country’s obligation to its volunteer military and their families.

The families of five U.S. troops killed overseas this weekend will not receive the usual "death gratuity" due to the government shutdown. A typical $100,000 compensation is wired to families within 36 hours to help with funeral and other expenses.

“Impacting grieving families when they are at their absolute weakest point is just disgusting,” said Joe Davis, a spokesman for the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the largest organization of combat veterans in the United States.

“Veterans, military personnel and now their families are not to be used as leverage in this political game of blame,” he said. He called on leaders in Congress to “put the country ahead of their politics.”

Congress passed a law last week to pay the military during the shutdown. Pentagon officials studied it to assess whether it might cover the death gratuity and determined that it was not possible, a defense official told NBC News on Tuesday.

I wonder if we could push all aspects of the government through media outrage and re-open the government bit-by-bit. Wouldn't that be a hoot to have House Republicans wake up and realize too late that their leverage is gone. smile

You wouldn't even need that. The republicans have tried to take the approach of sending on the stuff everyone can agree on so it can be whittled down to budget areas where there are differences. That was not acceptable to Reid/Obama. They fear loosing leverage for the stuff they know wouldn't get through. Both sides are more worried about getting their less popular pet issues through than the most important meat items that neither one dares oppose.

This is what happens when the historical budget process has been disregarded repeatedly in order to push through things under the guise of a crisis that wouldn't make it if the proper protocol hadn't become a matter of history rather than one of practice.
116  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Gulf states to introduce medical testing on travellers to 'detect' gay people on: October 09, 2013, 02:40:53 PM
Yea, when I saw the headline on this somewhere and it just said gulf states, I was like WHAT?  icon_eek

Then I looked at the story and realized they weren't talking about the gulf states I live in.   icon_wink

The sad thing is that it is close enough to possible that the possibility seemed imaginable.

I think they are working on a socialist/commie/fascist test though. Probably just a modified take on the pedeophile test but instead of showing you naked photos of kids they show you a series of photos of Obama/Clinton/Pelosi/Biden and if you don't exhibit a gag reflex you test positive.     icon_lol
117  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [USA] SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! Exclusive DLC 'The Ceiling' coming soon! on: October 08, 2013, 03:29:00 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on October 07, 2013, 03:00:55 AM


“The debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that Congress has to rein in the executive," Cruz said.

Wait. What? The President makes the budget now?

I hate when they change the Constitution without telling anybody.

Nobody makes the budget now, and he has been MIA.
118  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: October 04, 2013, 07:45:35 PM
Just an update, carry on.
119  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: October 03, 2013, 10:59:13 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on October 03, 2013, 10:46:18 PM

Kind of disorienting when the opposite approach is used when it comes to dealing with foreign governments. They have never taken a strong stand against the likes of Pakistan, Syria, Russia, Iran, etc.

Is this that "we looked weak" bullshit because we didn't go bomb the bejebus out of Syria?  It's an empty argument.  If we were serious about cleaning up places that abuse their people we'd be in Darfor, South America, Somalia, Pakistan, Iraq, etc. etc. etc. etc.   but we can't possibly go around threatening and then attacking everyone.  The President has to publicly denounce everything that anyone does or he'll get strung up for not making a statement, THEN he'll get strung up if they don't LIKE the statement, and THEN he'll get strung up if he doesn't adhere to his threat to the letter?   It makes no sense at all.  

No I am talking about the part where we keep inviting people to talk, give them a bunch of incentives just to ge tthem to talk and then act all surprised when we find out they were just buying time and that whatever deal we thought we could get "negotiated" never had a chance at all we were just being stalled, distracted, and fleeced.

FOr instance do you really think Iran is going to do ANYTHING to alleviate fears they are working on a nuclear weapon? Not a chance in Hell, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't back off some sanctions as a wasted show of good faith.

Do you think that the prisoners we made Israel release will do anything beyond getting them to talk about a deal that they either won't go for or will and then will totally dishonor from the word go?

That is without even bothering to go into all the "rebels" we have assisted in overthrowing oppressive governments in the hopes of earning some respect only to have them practically spit in our face and laugh at us.

edit: Oh and I don't think we should have bombed Syria, We should have stayed the hell out of it.
120  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Healthcare Exchanges Are Live. How's it Looking For You? on: October 03, 2013, 10:37:44 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on October 03, 2013, 08:37:14 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on October 03, 2013, 07:03:14 AM

As for why I think its good to work for and get insurance as part of my benefits from a job rather then have other taxpayers pay for it shouldn't be something that a rational person needs explained to them.

Have you thought about how much more competitive American business would be if it didn't have to subsidize health insurance?

No because they would just have to pay more. It isn't as if they are just doing it for no reason, it is part of a compensation package.
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