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41  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 04, 2014, 07:20:18 PM

Quote from: kronovan on March 03, 2014, 06:22:49 PM

Quote from: hepcat on March 03, 2014, 05:45:38 PM

If Putin stops where he is and continues no further, I think this will wind itself down (even with the slap in the face to Obama that was the incursion the day after our president says "don't!").

I'm not convinced it will be a winding down. The big gain Russian can make from the occupation of Crimea is a significant increase in their Black Sea Fleet. Did you by chance notice today that Russian forces in Crimeria are demanding that the Ukraine navy surrender 2 warships to them? With the previous splitting of the BSF between itself, Ukraine and Georgia, Russia naval superiority took a hit due to there being longstanding treaties on the max allowable tonnage of naval ships on the Black Sea. Remember when Bush sailed some US Navy ships into that sea in 2008 during the Georgia-Ossetia crisis, and Plutin warned against violating tonnage treaties? Taking Crimea is a step towards working around those limits.

What I see next up for Putan is the annexation of Abkhazia and South Ossetian Georgia - those are after all other regions that Moscow has claimed the citizenry are highly pro-Russia. With a bigger navy, concerns about blockades from NATO and opposition from the Georgian navy won't be nearly as threatening - especially if Putin follows through on his existing threat to violate treaties and add new ships to the BSF.  As well, once the ethnic Russians in Crimea start cleansing the Tartars, terrorism in Chechnya and Dagostan will blow up again. So yeah...I don't necessarily see much winding down in the region for a while.

The Ukranian navy is largely irrelevant. The only major ship they have is an outdated Krivak frigate. The remainder are corvettes, minesweepers and a couple landing craft and a single ancient foxtrot submarine that you would have to have huge balls to even submerge in let alone fight with. The most valuable thing the Ukranian navy has is the bases themselves.
42  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 04, 2014, 07:11:40 PM

Quote from: hepcat on March 03, 2014, 04:36:37 PM

That's a bit larger than a "slight majority" when compared to the next largest group.  

It is also unwise to assume that just because those people speak Russian or are ethnic Russian that they want the Russians there. There are a substantial number of ethnic Russians that want Ukraine to be independent of Russia and have no desire to rejoin the empire.
43  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 04, 2014, 07:08:07 PM

Quote from: hepcat on March 03, 2014, 01:58:59 PM

On the surface, it looks like a clear cut case Cold War mentality on the part of the Russians a la Afghanistan.  But I was listening to the news reports on this matter on the way into work this morning and numerous sources are saying that the areas that the Russians have marched into have been almost welcoming due to a large part of the population that considers itself Russian to begin with.  The real test will be whether or not they continue their march into eastern Ukraine, which is the primary source of industry for the Ukraine and which, if lost, will almost completely decimate the Ukrainian economy.

It appears that way because all the people in Crimea that don't want the Russians there are hiding in their houses. If you didn't want them there what would you do? Only a fool would go out and try to antagonize them.
44  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 02, 2014, 04:54:38 AM
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/putins-reckless-ukraine-gambit-104125.html?hp=l2#.UxK2UvldWSo

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Vladimir Putin’s surprise decision to ask for a Russian-style War Powers resolution from his parliament dramatically ups the ante in the Ukraine crisis and positions Russia for full-scale military action. It also signals Putin’s commitment to use all necessary means—many of which have already been in use in Crimea—to keep Ukraine in Russia’s orbit. If Putin follows through on his threat to invade Ukraine, he will signal yet again that the post-Cold War era that began with the “Velvet Revolutions” of 1989 has ended. The damage to Russia’s relations with the West will be deep and lasting, far worse than after the Russian-Georgian war. Think 1968, not 2008.
President Barack Obama’s handling of the Western response to the Ukraine crisis is now arguably the biggest test of his presidency. It is a crisis that no one anticipated and that the West has been frustratingly divided over since the European Union’s original, misguided attempt to force Ukraine to make an either-or choice about going east or west. For too long we have heard U.S. officials says repeatedly, “The Europeans are taking the lead.” That needs to stop.

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Post-revolutionary Ukraine is in bad shape. Its economy is wrecked. Government institutions broke down completely after the Yanukovych government disappeared overnight. Corruption and criminality, Ukraine’s twin scourges, remain basically intact. Thanks to Russia’s unexpected moves in Crimea, the West will now have to put Humpty Dumpty back together on its own. These tasks demand that the president designate a senior point-person for coordinating Ukraine policy in all its complexity. Deputy Secretary of State William Burns, one of America’s ablest diplomats and an old Russia hand, is the obvious choice.
The break in the West’s relations with Russia is bound to be deep and lasting. The G-8 will be its first casualty with the Western powers likely to reconstitute the G-7 in its original form as a direct rebuff to Putin. Other important international mechanisms —the U.N. Security Council, ad hoc diplomatic efforts on Syria, the P5+1 process on Iran, the Six-Party talks on North Korea, and so on—will be filled with renewed acrimony and dysfunction. Some may break down entirely. Inevitably, there will be congressional calls for sanctions against Russia, which the White House will be hard-pressed to resist no matter how much it may want to preserve the shreds of cooperation with Russia on Iran, Syria or Afghanistan. The West and Russia are in uncharted waters.




45  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 02, 2014, 01:26:54 AM
Ukraine was stupid for giving up Nuclear weapons and believing we would care about them.

Few other nations will make that mistake again.

Let the proliferation begin.

Get your nucs while they are hot!
46  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Godzilla to return to American shores on: February 28, 2014, 08:36:35 PM
If there is no Gamera I won't see it.

 ninja
47  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Arizona passes controversial anti-gay bill on: February 26, 2014, 05:18:05 AM
What amazes and disturbs me is that not only can people support this but that it seems for many it is THE issue they will let decide their vote. That is truly disheartening. Other than someone who is gay, for them I can totally understand voting based just on this issue.
48  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: New Robocop! on: February 26, 2014, 03:29:04 AM

Quote from: Blackjack on February 26, 2014, 03:18:40 AM

Oh, THIS is what's most sorely missing in the new, unimproved Robocop (thanks to the Internet Movie Firearms database)

Beretta 93R (as the "Auto 9") icon_cool
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/RoboCop#Beretta_93R_.28as_the_.22Auto_9.22.29

Movie was full of awesome realistic firearms. I am hoping the new one is as well.

The Mossberg shotguns in particular make me wish I had some extra spending money laying around.
49  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Arizona passes controversial anti-gay bill on: February 25, 2014, 02:57:12 PM

Quote from: hepcat on February 25, 2014, 02:53:35 PM

You shouldn't have to feel that giving someone a basic right is capitulation though.  It should just be the right thing to do.  Period.

That would be awesome but clearly the nation is split on what the right thing is, we wouldn't otherwise need political discourse about them. Universally agreed upon right things to do are easy peasy.
50  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Arizona passes controversial anti-gay bill on: February 25, 2014, 02:52:23 PM

Quote from: Fireball on February 25, 2014, 02:34:12 PM

Quote from: Rip on February 25, 2014, 02:24:39 PM

Quote from: Fireball on February 24, 2014, 03:40:53 PM

Nowhere near every conservative wants this evil bill to become law, but nearly everyone who wants this evil bill to become law is a conservative.

That may be the case but I am quite sure there a number of minority southern baptists among other that are pretty anti-homosexual.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything -- the Southern Baptist religious denomination is an extremely conservative organization.

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That being said I disagree with the characterization that all the Demorat voters are friends of homosexual equal rights, in fact I know that isn't even close to the truth.

I didn't say anything about party. However, the vast majority of Democrats support gay marriage in recent polls, as opposed to the vast majority of Republicans, who oppose.

I am seeing about 2/3rds split on each side. Substantial but vast? Perhaps we just have a different definition of vast. In the end that mean of people who don't support gay marriage one third of them are Democrat, which IMHO draws you statement
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Nowhere near every conservative wants this evil bill to become law, but nearly everyone who wants this evil bill to become law is a conservative.
(which is what you actually said) into question. I can swallow that you thing two-thirds is vast although I disagree, but "nearly everyone" is a clear misuse of the phrase.

That said at this point I support it fully if for no other reason than so we can move on to issues that are really important to me. I would be thrilled to capitulate the issue(which is very important to you) to gain capitulation on one of the other issues that are very important to me )Like spending, domestic spying, and gun control).

Of course the idea of compromise is something often spoken of and almost never practiced.
51  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [TV] Almost Human on: February 25, 2014, 02:34:55 PM

Quote from: Teggy on February 21, 2014, 02:40:13 AM

I've liked this show so far but the last episode was pretty awful. It was like the writer learned about computers from reading some bad cyberpunk. "I'm the best hacker and when I hack I can totally outhack anyone hack hack hackity hack. And I wear all black and I'm super cool."

Yea that one was a little..umm dissappointing. Last nights episode was pretty cool.

Spoiler for Hiden:
I like getting more into the chrom issue not to mention exploring the hinted at obvious inter-office romantic desire.
52  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Uganda president set to sign anti-gay bill into law on: February 25, 2014, 02:31:40 PM
I have been know to wear a speedo on occasion.

Damn perhaps I have some repressed homosexuality I have blocked out.    retard
53  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Arizona passes controversial anti-gay bill on: February 25, 2014, 02:28:49 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on February 25, 2014, 04:04:16 AM

Quote from: hepcat on February 25, 2014, 01:25:02 AM

even I know it's not comprised solely of robber barons dressed like snidely whiplash. 

There's also Richie Rich and Scrooge McDuck.

Don't forget Mr Crab.
54  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Arizona passes controversial anti-gay bill on: February 25, 2014, 02:24:39 PM

Quote from: Fireball on February 24, 2014, 03:40:53 PM

Nowhere near every conservative wants this evil bill to become law, but nearly everyone who wants this evil bill to become law is a conservative.

That may be the case but I am quite sure there a number of minority southern baptists among other that are pretty anti-homosexual. Note I say that but also think this law is stupid and totally disagree with it. That being said I disagree with the characterization that all the Demorat voters are friends of homosexual equal rights, in fact I know that isn't even close to the truth.
55  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Arizona passes controversial anti-gay bill on: February 25, 2014, 02:17:50 PM

Quote from: Punisher on February 23, 2014, 07:53:39 PM

Quote from: rshetts2 on February 23, 2014, 04:36:42 PM

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In my life and in my businesses, if I don't want to do business or if I don't want to deal with a particular company or person or whatever, I'm not interested. That's America. That's freedom."

Uh no, thats not freedom, thats prejudice.  

Freedom to have prejudice!

Anyway, I don't see how this would be different from the same businesses saying that white/black/asian/etc.. people aren't allowed in due to religion.. which isn't legal... I smell... LAWSUITS!

I think you are a little confused. It isn't that religious freedom can't be used to pick you prejudices but that you can't prejudice because of someones religion. At this time sexual preference isn't protected, although I think it should be, but being gay isn't a religion.
56  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Steven Seagal says he may run for Arizona governor on: February 25, 2014, 02:14:11 PM

Quote from: hepcat on February 20, 2014, 04:09:43 PM

I'm positive I've posted this before, but this is my favorite Seagal story.

Wow, that was friggin awesome.
57  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: These 12 New Headline Trends Will Astound You! on: February 18, 2014, 02:21:25 PM
Yahoo is littered with this crap. I suppose it is in response to people blocking ads. If you merge the content with the ads you rob people of the ability to avoid the ads.

Profit!!!
58  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ted Cruz: The Alienator on: February 18, 2014, 03:20:54 AM
Well the fact is many Republicans have repeatedly pandered to there constituents and said we will fight tooth and nail to force budget cuts by blocking CR/debt ceiling increases and then they don't, by not forcing a 60 vote cloture. So basically they lie and then blame that lie on someone else. What they are mad about is that he forces the hand of those that aren't willing to do it and outs the lies. I'm fine with them letting it pass but don't campaign on how you won't allow it, have some balls. Like or dislike what Cruz says (and I don't like much of it) at least he does what he says he will.

So basically they are mad for exposing the truth to the people that vote for them. If the voters want that then it shouldn't be a problem, nothing to be mad about. If they feel that they should allow the Democrats to spend as much as they want if they have 51 votes all they need to do is stand up and own up to it, no reason to be mad about it.

Of course I suspect it will cost many there seats to people that won't allow that. I say tough titties. If the truth of what you want costs you you job then that is the will of the people, so be it.

Just like Landrieu will loose her seat over Obamacare, she tries to spin it as though she is somehow not responsible for it, when you are forced to vote your stand it allows the people to vote based on theirs as it should be.

No reason these guys should be allowed to campaign as doing anything they can to force budget cuts and then fail to do it. They obviously understand what their voters want because they campaign on it, I have no sympathy for them when they fail to do what they promised they would. I say good riddance, maybe the next guy will vote as he promises....for a change.

Do or do not there is no try!
59  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ted Cruz: The Alienator on: February 18, 2014, 12:01:26 AM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on February 17, 2014, 11:17:58 PM

Quote from: Rip on February 17, 2014, 09:44:04 PM

On this particular issue I think it is important to note when Cruz was trying to fight the CR he was told by his cohorts to not fight it and they would join him in the fight come debt ceiling time.


When are you talking about?  In October 2013, Ted Cruz conspired with House Republicans to fight the CR to the point that it triggered a shutdown of the federal government.  It cost the economy $24 billion, and when it was finally done, he lamented it hadn't lasted longer and caused even more damage.  Look, it's right here:

Quote from: Politico.com
“In particular, we saw real division among Senate Republicans,” Cruz told reporters on Wednesday. “That was unfortunate. I would point out that had Senate Republicans united and supported House Republicans, the outcome of this I believe would’ve been very, very different.”

Indeed, the senator and potential 2016 presidential contender’s crusade has riven the GOP, helped instigate the first federal government shutdown in 17 years and overshadowed Obamacare’s bumpy rollout that began Oct. 1. The GOP took a hammering in public polls — Gallup said Oct. 9 the Republican Party’s favorability rating collapsed to an all-time low of 28 percent.


And that "debt ceiling fight" you mention above?  That's the part where Republicans were plotting to threaten a default on the nation's debt, annihilating the value of the American dollar in the process, and were going to roll out a list of demands they wanted as ransom.  Again.  Previously, making these threats wound up lowering United States' credit rating for the first time in history.

Tea Partiers claim they hate President Obama because he's a foreign-born anti-American blowhard planning to divide and weaken the country through destructive policies cloaked in the language of patriotism.  How fantastically ironic that they've chosen to rally behind Ted Cruz: a man who's political career has been entirely dedicated to finding ways to harm the economy and then blaming Democrats for failing to stop him.


Quote from: Rip on February 17, 2014, 09:44:04 PM

Perfect example of why our political process is broken with little hopes of real compromises ever getting traction. Everyone pretty much knows that compromise is synonymous with capitulation.


Please define "pretty much everyone."

Quote from: The Washington Post
As lawmakers head into the thick of high-stakes showdowns over the budget, Obamacare, and the nation's borrowing limit, this much is clear: (1) Compromise is not a dirty word in the eyes of the American people, and (2) Democrats have a bigger appetite for leaders to compromise than do Republicans.

That's all according to a new Gallup poll released Monday that shows that, by about a 2-1 margin, Americans say it is more important for political leaders in Washington to compromise to get things done than it is for them to stick to their beliefs, even if little gets accomplished.

A look at the breakdown by political party reveals that Democrats are more enthusiastic about the prospect of compromise compared with Republicans. More than six in 10 Democrats say it is more important to compromise, while just 38 percent of Republicans say the same thing. What's more, nearly as many GOPers (36 percent) say it is more important for leaders to stick to their beliefs.




-Autistic Angel

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Cruz then pointed out that he had his staff print 3 pages of Republican Senators saying several months ago that they would fight for the debt ceiling, that this would be the place where they’d take a stand. And of course they didn’t. But he said it’s as if they think their constituents are a bunch of rubes that won’t remember what they say.

http://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-explains-on-mark-levin-show-why-he-filibustered-the-debt-ceiling-vote/

Are you suggesting they didn't say this when trying to get the CR rolling?

60  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ted Cruz: The Alienator on: February 17, 2014, 11:48:16 PM

Quote from: th'FOOL on February 17, 2014, 10:24:49 PM

Quote from: Rip on February 17, 2014, 09:44:04 PM

Perfect example of why our political process is broken with little hopes of real compromises ever getting traction. Everyone pretty much knows that compromise is synonymous with capitulation.

This is where you and I differ on an extreme level- I feel like the political process SHOULD BE about compromise- give and take- not this ideological game of chicken that we've been seeing in recent years. When the political process prevents our elected officials from governing and making shit happen, then it's broken.

Oh, I agree it should be but never is because honoring the compromise is the exception rather than the rule, and it seems after the fact no one is all that mad that the compromise was a lie. Look no further than sequester or Syria's giving up chemical weapons to see how uncompromising the reality of compromise is.
61  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: How long is your average gaming session? on: February 17, 2014, 09:58:36 PM
Two hours or a little over more often than not, although PC time in general is far longer. Just not exclusive to gaming.
62  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ted Cruz: The Alienator on: February 17, 2014, 09:44:04 PM
On this particular issue I think it is important to note when Cruz was trying to fight the CR he was told by his cohorts to not fight it and they would join him in the fight come debt ceiling time. Lesson being when you use lies and deception to persuade a child to do something don't be surprised when he throws a childish tantrum when you fail to honor your promises that you never intended to honor. McConnell and Cornyn may not like what the monster does but they would be wise to realize they are key in motivating its behavior towrd them.

Perfect example of why our political process is broken with little hopes of real compromises ever getting traction. Everyone pretty much knows that compromise is synonymous with capitulation.
63  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Grand Theft Auto V on: February 17, 2014, 06:28:02 PM
That sinkhole may be coming, I think I see a crack forming in the last picture under that yellow jeepme thing.
64  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ted Cruz: The Alienator on: February 17, 2014, 06:21:27 PM

Quote from: Mystic95Z on February 17, 2014, 12:13:37 PM

Edited and replaced with stupid, or is that to harsh for you guys too???

Nothing personal dude, you can be as harsh as you want. Just better to keep it harsh with the person(s) intended without being harsh on people that have nothing to do with it.
65  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Ted Cruz: The Alienator on: February 17, 2014, 10:31:39 AM
Yea, unlike many of the other disgusting terms that violate the PC crowd you don't hear them using it to refer to each other and is a group of people not in a position to really defend themselves, therefore we REALLY should. No reason to attack each other for using it but I applaud the use of it being called out as not cool.

The word has a number of correct uses but referring to ANY person is not one of them. There are plenty of other terms that get the point across just as well without demeaning a group of people who don't deserve it.
66  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Grand Theft Auto V on: February 17, 2014, 10:21:34 AM
Shame you didn't find a sinkhole.    icon_biggrin
67  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: New Robocop! on: February 15, 2014, 05:56:04 PM
Were there lots of cool robomotorcycle scenes?
68  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: NBA2k14 on: January 25, 2014, 05:24:26 AM
I find turning run plays on helps, especially if you run the play well and hit themat the spot they are intended to shoot. Setting picks also seems to helps get them pushing it into the paint.
69  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: NBA2k14 on: January 23, 2014, 11:55:23 AM

Quote from: Harkonis on January 22, 2014, 08:03:13 PM


Nice Doo!

But yea I hate stuff like that. I get a couple times the inbounder just throws it behind the guy and it goes straight out of bounds. Or the one that really pisses me off a teammate runs right into me after I come across half court and boot the ball all the way to the ther end. I am thinking it is the logic wanting some unforced turnovers and getting them however it needs to.

BTW, do you let anyone else shoot at all?
70  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: NBA2k14 on: January 23, 2014, 11:45:02 AM
2K14 on the PC isn't even the same game as the nextgen console version. It still has Association mode instead of MyGM, etc.
71  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [Movie] Looper on: January 14, 2014, 09:41:16 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on January 14, 2014, 12:01:52 AM

Quote from: Caine on January 13, 2014, 11:02:23 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on January 13, 2014, 10:31:17 PM

As it happens, the postman just brought the Looper disk today. Will probably watch it tomorrow night.
now, you'll need to remember to time travel back after watching it to hand it to the postman so he can hand it to you.  after you invent the time travel machine/get it back from Rufus. 
Whoa man, you blew my mind. There's a future me that's already seen it! I wonder if he will post here.

He would but I killed him as soon as he finished it.

I would suggest not watching it unarmed.
72  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Guitar virgin no longer [Rocksmith related] on: January 05, 2014, 07:41:03 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on January 04, 2014, 03:41:13 AM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on January 01, 2014, 02:23:39 AM

Learning how.   I have always played percussion, so lead guitar and bass are completely new.   I'm putting in the time too - I practice pretty much every day.  Guess that is a testament to RS2014 as the previous version was abandoned pretty quickly.  

My strings?   7 bucks.  Laura's bass strings?  30!

I will post her guitar pic tomorrow.   smile

Ok, sorry - as promised, here's my guitar and my wife's bass.  Her bass is a 1970 Ampeg "Big Stud" bass - a gift from her father.   And yes, you are goddamned right that room is Saint's Row purple.  



Can we see a pick of your big dildo bat as well?

 icon_biggrin
73  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: And a baby Jesus was born. on: December 25, 2013, 02:53:02 PM
Did you turn in to a troll for xmas?
74  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Duck Dynasty on: December 23, 2013, 09:52:34 PM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on December 23, 2013, 12:30:34 PM

Quote from: The Atlantic
Tolerance is not the same thing as acceptance, and acceptance is not the same thing as an endorsement. The message A&E’s decision sends is that there is zero tolerance on television for Christians who are conscientious objectors to homosexuality. More than that, it implicitly suggests that the campaign for tolerance has advanced to a campaign to pressure 45 percent of Americans to recant their beliefs and endorse a lifestyle to which they are opposed, conscience be damned.


A&E did a quick cost-benefit analysis and concluded that publicly distancing themselves from Robertson was less costly than catering to the ever-shrinking percentage of people who agree with him.  That's not zero-tolerance political correctness -- it's capitalism.

-Autistic Angel

They need to find a better bean counter for that cost/benefit analysis. They seem to have forgotten that capitalism is about making more money not less.
75  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Duck Dynasty on: December 23, 2013, 09:49:47 PM

Quote from: th'FOOL on December 23, 2013, 06:19:04 AM

Quote from: Rip on December 23, 2013, 06:02:29 AM

Quote from: th'FOOL on December 23, 2013, 04:40:03 AM

Quote from: Rip on December 23, 2013, 03:43:28 AM

Quote from: Mormech on December 22, 2013, 07:36:48 PM

Quote from: Gratch on December 21, 2013, 03:33:10 PM

This has nothing to do with belittling anyones religion and everything to do about not being tolerant of bigotry and hate.  Robertson happened to cloak his bigotry in in the Bible, hence why its even brought into play.

The reason there's so much confusion here is because his bigotry is mirrored by bigotry in the Bible.  I don't think there's any denying that the Bible is a bigoted, homophobic book in its own right.  So, when attacking his bigotry, he can claim that the Bible is being attacked, despite the fact that his elaborations are even worse than what the Bible said.

Both Phil AND the Bible should be getting condemned by society here, not just one or the other.


Are you going to condemn the Quran and Muhammad while you are at it?

And straw men! Let's condemn straw men as well!

So the Bible is a bigoted homophobic book but the Quran is not?

It is only a strawman if they are not the same on this point. I think you will find they are identical in their feelings on homosexuality. To call one bigoted and homophobic and not the other is disingenuous.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/026-homosexuality.htm

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Islam goes beyond mere disapproval of homosexuality.  Sharia teaches that homosexuality is a vile form of fornication, punishable by death.

So your argument is that anytime someone condemns one bigoted homophobic book it only counts if you condemn them all?

Exactly, hypocritical condemnations don't count.
76  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Duck Dynasty on: December 23, 2013, 06:02:29 AM

Quote from: th'FOOL on December 23, 2013, 04:40:03 AM

Quote from: Rip on December 23, 2013, 03:43:28 AM

Quote from: Mormech on December 22, 2013, 07:36:48 PM

Quote from: Gratch on December 21, 2013, 03:33:10 PM

This has nothing to do with belittling anyones religion and everything to do about not being tolerant of bigotry and hate.  Robertson happened to cloak his bigotry in in the Bible, hence why its even brought into play.

The reason there's so much confusion here is because his bigotry is mirrored by bigotry in the Bible.  I don't think there's any denying that the Bible is a bigoted, homophobic book in its own right.  So, when attacking his bigotry, he can claim that the Bible is being attacked, despite the fact that his elaborations are even worse than what the Bible said.

Both Phil AND the Bible should be getting condemned by society here, not just one or the other.


Are you going to condemn the Quran and Muhammad while you are at it?

And straw men! Let's condemn straw men as well!

So the Bible is a bigoted homophobic book but the Quran is not?

It is only a strawman if they are not the same on this point. I think you will find they are identical in their feelings on homosexuality. To call one bigoted and homophobic and not the other is disingenuous.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/026-homosexuality.htm

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Islam goes beyond mere disapproval of homosexuality.  Sharia teaches that homosexuality is a vile form of fornication, punishable by death.
77  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Duck Dynasty on: December 23, 2013, 03:43:28 AM

Quote from: Mormech on December 22, 2013, 07:36:48 PM

Quote from: Gratch on December 21, 2013, 03:33:10 PM

This has nothing to do with belittling anyones religion and everything to do about not being tolerant of bigotry and hate.  Robertson happened to cloak his bigotry in in the Bible, hence why its even brought into play.

The reason there's so much confusion here is because his bigotry is mirrored by bigotry in the Bible.  I don't think there's any denying that the Bible is a bigoted, homophobic book in its own right.  So, when attacking his bigotry, he can claim that the Bible is being attacked, despite the fact that his elaborations are even worse than what the Bible said.

Both Phil AND the Bible should be getting condemned by society here, not just one or the other.

Are you going to condemn the Quran and Muhammad while you are at it?
78  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: North Korea threatens final destruction of South Korea (now with Uncle killing!) on: December 23, 2013, 03:38:51 AM
You people need to get the fax facts straight.

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79  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Duck Dynasty on: December 22, 2013, 09:24:39 AM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on December 22, 2013, 04:13:52 AM

Quote from: Rip on December 21, 2013, 10:45:06 PM

My grandfather lived through it and he told me he never witnessed anyone mistreating any black people.  I am quite sure he was being truthful. was he a liar, racist, or maybe just maybe he didn't witness any. That is a stretch from saying it didn't happen and IMHO in no way minishes the events of mistreatment that DID happen.


In the segregationist South, black people were frequently barred from commercial establishments and were subject to all manner of arbitrary restrictions in places they were allowed to enter.  "Coloreds" were only allowed to drink from that water fountain, sit in those seats, attend that school, apply for that job or earn that fraction of the money a white person would get for the same work.  Every facet of those communities were engineered to ostracize black citizens and emphasize their second-class status.

I consider that mistreatment, and that's before we get to the parts with the fire hoses, attack dogs, and public lynchings.  Where, specifically, was your grandfather when he "lived through it" and can't recall anything black folks might have found upsetting?

-Autistic Angel

Farming his land in central Indiana. Of course he was probably lucky if he saw more than a dozen people a month.

You have to remember how much area was rural back then and not everywhere was filled with negro hating, cross burning former slave owners. A lot of those farmers and poor uneducated white folk had ancestors that fought for the union in the Civil War and were just as repulsed by the actions and opinions of the numerous racists that existed at the time.

Also I didn't say he didn't recall it I said he never SAW it, which is exactly what Phil said. Big difference.
80  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Duck Dynasty on: December 21, 2013, 10:45:06 PM

Quote from: Gratch on December 21, 2013, 04:18:41 PM

Identifying someone as black isn't the issue.  The issue is his wave-of-the-hand dismissal of the challenges African-Americans faced because he "didn't see them".

I'll bet that those who lived through the pre-Civil Rights era would strongly disagree about the lack of mistreatment.  Just IMO, of course.

My grandfather lived through it and he told me he never witnessed anyone mistreating any black people.  I am quite sure he was being truthful. was he a liar, racist, or maybe just maybe he didn't witness any. That is a stretch from saying it didn't happen and IMHO in no way minishes the events of mistreatment that DID happen.
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