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41  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: WAZ 7/3/14 on: July 05, 2014, 12:16:18 AM

Quote from: ATB on July 04, 2014, 12:34:15 PM

Quote from: Rip on July 04, 2014, 01:42:19 AM

I posted this on OO but I guess I should have posted it here as well.

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It's called Shooters Grill and it is located in Rifle, Colo., so naturally, the waitresses pack heat.

The burger joint, about 180 miles west of Denver, embraces the firearms theme with menu items like the "M16 burrito," "Smith & Wesson Grilled Cheese" and "Locked and Loaded Nachos." The salt and pepper shakers are made from shotgun shells. But the biggest Second Amendment statement is in the guns waitresses carry, including the Rueger Blackhawk .357 Ashlee Saenz sports.

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Owner Lauren Boebert, 27, started the trend when she began carrying a pistol shortly after opening the restaurant a year ago.

"I started open-carrying maybe a month after we opened just because I am a woman in business and I was there early hours and late nights," Boebert said. "There was a man beaten to death in the alley behind my restaurant last year. It was very unfortunate."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/02/waitresses-pack-heat-at-colorado-burger-joint/

 High five!


Big difference when it's the establishment doing it rather than the patrons doing it in a place where the establishment has requested people not to.

Either way, walking around a target, wendy's, gas station, whatever visibly armed just to do it has nothing to do with the right to bear arms.  It's just morons trying to show how 'counter culture' they are. That's right. They're the nouveau hipster.

I wasn't talking about the guns. I was talking about the menu items with gun themed names. That is the conservative leaning food items that Zeke was looking for.
42  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: WAZ 7/3/14 on: July 04, 2014, 01:59:05 AM

Quote from: hepcat on July 04, 2014, 01:52:11 AM

All those guns and  not one person was able save a guy from getting beat to death right outside?  So much for the "Waaah, we need 'em to defend ourselves" excuse.   icon_twisted

The way she says it was very unfortunate that perhaps she had beat him to death.

 ninja2
43  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: WAZ 7/3/14 on: July 04, 2014, 01:42:19 AM
I posted this on OO but I guess I should have posted it here as well.

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It's called Shooters Grill and it is located in Rifle, Colo., so naturally, the waitresses pack heat.

The burger joint, about 180 miles west of Denver, embraces the firearms theme with menu items like the "M16 burrito," "Smith & Wesson Grilled Cheese" and "Locked and Loaded Nachos." The salt and pepper shakers are made from shotgun shells. But the biggest Second Amendment statement is in the guns waitresses carry, including the Rueger Blackhawk .357 Ashlee Saenz sports.

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Owner Lauren Boebert, 27, started the trend when she began carrying a pistol shortly after opening the restaurant a year ago.

"I started open-carrying maybe a month after we opened just because I am a woman in business and I was there early hours and late nights," Boebert said. "There was a man beaten to death in the alley behind my restaurant last year. It was very unfortunate."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/02/waitresses-pack-heat-at-colorado-burger-joint/

 High five!
44  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: SCOTUS Screws Us Again: Welcome to the Police State! on: June 30, 2014, 10:38:46 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on June 30, 2014, 10:25:48 PM

We need a higher appeals court. Maybe the President can just overturn them with an executive order.

We do, Jesus.

I asked him and he said it was all good. He also said my grass needed a little fertilizer and that I needed more weed-eater string.

 icon_wink
45  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: SCOTUS Screws Us Again: Welcome to the Police State! on: June 30, 2014, 10:12:05 PM
What no liberal tears over the SCOTUS decisions today? Come on guys don't disappoint me.
46  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama seeking 1/2 Billion for Syrian Opposition on: June 30, 2014, 10:09:34 PM

Quote from: hepcat on June 30, 2014, 01:59:01 PM

Quote from: Razgon on June 30, 2014, 10:19:52 AM

*taps mike*

*Mike gets a restraining order*

*Rip restrains Mike and taps him again*

*Rip drops the mike and strikes a pose*
47  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama seeking 1/2 Billion for Syrian Opposition on: June 27, 2014, 06:53:09 PM

Quote from: ATB on June 27, 2014, 12:00:42 PM

Quote from: hepcat on June 26, 2014, 09:17:20 PM

should we have stayed out of World War II and NOT acted to prevent Germany from overrunning Europe?  

I'm not sure if there is a rolleyes big enough for this question.  

Admittedly, I have moved more to an isolationist view since Gulf War 2 and the absolute waste of men and materiel that was Iraq and was (is) Afghanistan. I have also moved away from the blind patriotism that I used to have as I've read more about how the US has directly set the table for the mess we're in now and how the government (all three branches) moves more and more into the pocket of the corporations AND abuses (or perhaps ignores is the better word choice) the soldiers who protect our country once they get home (VA).  I also believe that there is a military industrial complex that continually stands to benefit from war/arming our future enemies...

In fact, I've moved so far to the left on the use of America's army as a global police force I wonder how I ever thought the other way.  This should be something that makes you happy, no? Or because it's a Dem in the whitehouse it's okay to warmonger?



Rand Paul has your vote?
48  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Redskins Lose Trademark on: June 24, 2014, 06:05:19 PM

Quote from: ATB on June 24, 2014, 04:18:21 PM

The problem I have with this is that government stepped in and voided a legally granted trademark because it was 'offensive.'



This.
49  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Redskins Lose Trademark on: June 23, 2014, 05:26:24 PM
If I owned the team I would just rename them.

Ladies and gentleman please welcome your Washington Coons.

50  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: June 22, 2014, 02:30:52 PM
Working great for me and I don't know of anyone else reporting problems.
51  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [E3 2012] Watch Dogs on: June 18, 2014, 11:20:31 PM
I always wondered who it was that bought all those cheesy shirts that only someone on vacation should dare wear.


Now I know.
52  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: June 18, 2014, 11:15:15 PM
OO doesn't go down for anyone. We demand you go down for us.
53  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Redskins Lose Trademark on: June 18, 2014, 11:11:34 PM
and then...

Fighting Irish
Running Rebels
Ragin Cajuns
KC Chiefs
Atlanta Braves
Cleveland Indians
Atlanta Hawks
Chicago Blackhawks
FSU Seminoles


Of course we need to bring about 60 High Schools that have the Redskins name under the thumb of the McLiberalism Junta as well.

Refusing to bow to political correctness are the communists of this age.
54  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [E3 2012] Watch Dogs on: June 01, 2014, 07:25:04 AM
QR mission are kinda fun. Nice mention in an audio file about halving to talk to "the Daves"

Lots of stuff when you watch and listen is hilarious.

One of the Privacy missions earlier today had me watching a guy whack it off. Here I am via the computer camera watching some forty year old dude stroke it. Not many games give you that.   icon_lol
55  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: May 30, 2014, 07:37:08 AM

Quote from: Enough on May 29, 2014, 05:23:38 PM

Quote from: Miltonite on May 29, 2014, 04:25:03 PM

Quote from: ATB on May 29, 2014, 04:05:48 PM

Quote from: Miltonite on May 29, 2014, 03:59:20 PM

What is a visit to GT without a post in the "OO Offline" thread?

So is this the 73rd time OO has been down?  icon_wink
Not that I recall but who really knows?

I have posted on a few other threads just not many. Here I am almost a true lurker, at OO I am only mostly a lurker.

I think quite of few of us from OO are lurking here regularly even if we don't always post.   ninja

No we aren't.

 ninja
56  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [E3 2012] Watch Dogs on: May 23, 2014, 02:07:34 AM

Quote from: Teggy on May 22, 2014, 05:41:52 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on May 22, 2014, 05:31:47 PM

that's pretty awesome

shouldn't it be 'AN Ubisoft production' not 'A Ubisoft production'?

I believe the proper pronunciation is "yoobeesoft", so no.

youbesoft.

Got it.
57  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: LA Clippers Owner Guy on: May 01, 2014, 07:10:23 AM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on April 29, 2014, 07:36:12 PM

The following comment is not directed at ATB.  To my knowledge, he has never expressed the beliefs referenced below.

I find it fascinating that, when topics like Affirmative Action, the Equal Rights Amendment, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, or even articles of the Civil Rights Act are raised, Conservatives talk about their boundless faith in how the Invisible Hand of the Free Market would smooth away all forms of social discrimination if only all those burdensome legal protections were out of the way.

When the Very Material Hand of the Free Market comes around and smacks the hell out of some fantastically wealthy guy for spewing such toxic prejudices that there's a huge social and economic backlash, however, suddenly those same Conservatives are vocally upset that there are free market repercussions for his behavior.  "Intolerance of his intolerance is the worst intolerance of all!"

-Autistic Angel

Careful with that big ass brush you are using. I am conservative on a wide number of things. I am however fully supportive of the NBA kicking that douchebag to the curb.

There is no room for those kind of beliefs anymore. If I was involved in a business that he was also involved in I would also want him gone and if he wasn't I would strongly consider leaving the business in protest.
58  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: SCOTUS Screws Us Again: Welcome to the Police State! on: April 29, 2014, 03:23:27 AM

Quote from: Scraper on April 27, 2014, 11:59:26 PM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on April 25, 2014, 08:07:55 PM

Quote from: Scraper on April 25, 2014, 04:56:07 PM

Quote from: ATB on April 25, 2014, 04:19:10 PM

WTF is going on?

Anonymous calls can lead to searches.  This is great!

Again this shouldn't be a shocker when you have a conservative Supreme Court. The only real surprise here is that Scalia spoke out against it so strongly. Especially after he just publicly stated that the 4th amendment is not absolute (when referring to mass data collection).


I don't think either side of the political spectrum can claim the high ground on the issue of domestic espionage any more.  I've been really vocal about about tearing down the "Both Sides Do It" false equivalences we see so often in American politics, but casual erosion of personal privacy rights is something the Democratic and Republican parties both own.

And that's the problem: as a liberal who absolutely abhors this easy-access data mining of innocent civilians, who can I vote for to roll back these powers?  Chris Christie?  Hillary Clinton?  Jeb Bush or Joe Biden?  The only political figure I can even imagine abandoning these tactics is Elizabeth Warren, and there's zero indication she's planning a presidential run.

I'm not a single-issue voter, but all other things being equal, I would vote for any candidate who vowed to curtail these domestic spying programs.  It's right up there with their failure to improve the VA system on my list of the Obama administration's biggest failures.

-Autistic Angel

Rand Paul maybe?

He is my front runner right now.
59  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 05, 2014, 06:56:12 PM

Quote from: kronovan on March 05, 2014, 06:07:51 PM

Quote from: Rip on March 04, 2014, 07:20:18 PM

The Ukranian navy is largely irrelevant. The only major ship they have is an outdated Krivak frigate. The remainder are corvettes, minesweepers and a couple landing craft and a single ancient foxtrot submarine that you would have to have huge balls to even submerge in let alone fight with. The most valuable thing the Ukranian navy has is the bases themselves.

You're missing the point - the prize for Putin isn't some obsolete Ukrainian navy ships, it's the potential tonnage he can bank if he decommissions them and replaces with modern ships. The tonnage restriction on the Black Sea is a real pin the eye for Russia's aspirations for their BSF.  The Russians have even previously made threats to replace a ship for a ship regardless of tonnage differences - acquiring more ships makes that threat that much larger. For sure acquiring other naval ports in Crimea is a boon to to Russia, since Sevastapol is Russia's only warm water naval port. The real importance of those ports though, is  being able to sail the BSF from them and consequently have a year round naval presence in the Mediterranean.  That presence amounts to squat though, if it's pint-sized and made up of outdated ships.

This is true but it also plays with angering NATO and more importantly on this front Turkey who has a great deal of latitude about what goes in and out of the Black Sea. All they need to do is decide they feel threatened and that is the end game. Of course he could try to play hardball with Turkey but there is little doubt that playing this game with Turkey would bring about a military confrontation with NATO, which I doubt he wants.

60  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 05, 2014, 06:06:10 PM

Quote from: hepcat on March 05, 2014, 02:30:37 PM

The shameful way some sections of the conservative movement act, I would have thought you would be pushing your libertarian side far more and downplaying the conservative bent.

Except that foreign policy is the key place I disagree with Libertarians. I love much of the rest of their platforms but as this situation is showing the isolationist approach is just foolhardy. The thugs of the world respect nothing but strength and the world is becoming harder to isolate yourself in more and more. I would be to the right of pretty much every party when it comes to military strength and foreign policy. On the bright side we wouldn't have much of an unemployment problem because we would need all the soldiers we could get our hands on.

In fact I would have told Patton he was clear to gas er up and continue on and to give me a call when he reached Moscow.
61  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 05, 2014, 03:04:44 AM

Quote from: hepcat on March 05, 2014, 02:30:39 AM

The way you're treated in R&P by most folks there makes my disagreements with you positively friendly, my boy.  I took a break on my own accord after realizing a few folks were getting under my skin.  You weren't one of them though.  

P.S.  Your wording is a bit off there.  Unless I'm multiple people and I'm not aware of it..   icon_wink

So say you. You know how many people you are.   Tongue

I tend to invite aggressive disagreement. I have no ability to sugarcoat my positions, my strategy for making sure I am never drafted into be Secretary of State. Tis the price a conservtive pays for pissing in the cereal of liberals both there and here. If I wanted a bunch of people to lend support to my opinions I would find a church to go to. Of course you guys have poisoned me so much that I would likely even get their feathers all ruffled up.   nod
62  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 05, 2014, 12:41:55 AM

Quote from: hepcat on March 04, 2014, 07:50:14 PM

Got shouted down at OO again, eh?   Tongue

Not hardly, I am posting over there more profusely than here. Although there is certainly far less people trying to shout people down since I haven't seen you there in awhile? Coincidence?
63  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 04, 2014, 07:48:22 PM
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The security situation in Crimea has civilians worried for their safety. “People are scared of armed people and [concerned] over military troops in the city,” Vdovichenko said.

Vdovichenko believes a majority of people in Crimea want the region to remain part of the Ukraine, but many are afraid to voice their opinions.

“We are scared to say we want to be a part of the Ukraine," Vdovichenko said. "Demonstrators who are pro-Russia are free to say that, but we are not.”

Those supporting Ukrainian nationalism and culture risk being bullied by those backing Moscow.

“If I am in the center of my city and I carry a Ukrainian flag or I’m going to speak Ukrainian on my phone for example … they [pro-Russians] will try to stop me,” Vdovichenko said.

Vdovichenko has participated in demonstrations in Crimea, but acknowledges doing so comes with a risk to her safety. She hopes the Russian troops will leave soon.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/04/witness-in-crimea-scared-to-say-support-ukraine/

So while there may be a substantial number of people in Crimea who support the Ukranian government and want the Russians to leave don't expect to see them marching in the streets and talking to reporters, wisely so I would suggest. I would even go so far as to say any referendum that happens while armed Russian soldiers are controlling everything are very unlikely to actually be representative of the true desires of the local people.
64  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 04, 2014, 07:28:15 PM

Quote from: hepcat on March 04, 2014, 07:19:52 PM

From more than a few news reports it would seem the Russian speaking citizens of Crimea have always identified more with Russia than they have Europe though.  Thus the relatively violence free incursion at the moment.

Identify with != want to rejoin Russia.
65  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 04, 2014, 07:26:50 PM

Quote from: hepcat on March 04, 2014, 07:19:52 PM

From more than a few news reports it would seem the Russian speaking citizens of Crimea have always identified more with Russia than they have Europe though.  Thus the relatively violence free incursion at the moment.

I wouldn't put too much into the lack of violence. Form a post by paulbaxter over at OO.

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This is from a friend in the state dept who is working in Kiev now. FWIW.

The Kiev International Institute for Sociology has been measuring ethnic and national sentiments in Ukraine for a long time. They just did a study on the opinions of Ukrainian regions (states, provinces) about uniting with Russia. Even "Pro-Russian" Crimea came in at only 41%, by far the highest response.

Here are the full results:

According to the latest public opinion survey conducted by KMIS between February 8 and 18, the number of people supporting joining Russia is under 26% in all macro-regions.

West 0,7%, Center 5,4%, South - 19,4%, East - 26%.

Oblast data has a large margin of error, but the number of those who support joining Russia is the following:

Crimea 41%
Donetsk Oblast 33,2%
Luhansk 24,1%
Odesa 24%
Zaporizhzhya 16,7%
Kharkiv 15,1%
Chernihiv 14,8%
Dnipropetrovks 13,8%
Kirovohrad 8,3%
Kyiv Oblast 6,4%
Chernivtsi 5,4%
Kyiv city 5,3%
Zhytomyr 5,2%
Poltava 4,3%
Kherson 4,2%
Mykolayiv 3,7%
Vinnytsya 2,7%
Zakarpattya 2%
Sumy 1,8%
Cherkasy 1,7%
Khmelnytskiy 0%
Ternopil 0%
Rivne 0%
Lviv 0%
Volyn 0%
Ivano-Frankivsk 0%

While I have no idea just what the error factor in these number are they are certainly not just fabricated.
66  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 04, 2014, 07:20:18 PM

Quote from: kronovan on March 03, 2014, 06:22:49 PM

Quote from: hepcat on March 03, 2014, 05:45:38 PM

If Putin stops where he is and continues no further, I think this will wind itself down (even with the slap in the face to Obama that was the incursion the day after our president says "don't!").

I'm not convinced it will be a winding down. The big gain Russian can make from the occupation of Crimea is a significant increase in their Black Sea Fleet. Did you by chance notice today that Russian forces in Crimeria are demanding that the Ukraine navy surrender 2 warships to them? With the previous splitting of the BSF between itself, Ukraine and Georgia, Russia naval superiority took a hit due to there being longstanding treaties on the max allowable tonnage of naval ships on the Black Sea. Remember when Bush sailed some US Navy ships into that sea in 2008 during the Georgia-Ossetia crisis, and Plutin warned against violating tonnage treaties? Taking Crimea is a step towards working around those limits.

What I see next up for Putan is the annexation of Abkhazia and South Ossetian Georgia - those are after all other regions that Moscow has claimed the citizenry are highly pro-Russia. With a bigger navy, concerns about blockades from NATO and opposition from the Georgian navy won't be nearly as threatening - especially if Putin follows through on his existing threat to violate treaties and add new ships to the BSF.  As well, once the ethnic Russians in Crimea start cleansing the Tartars, terrorism in Chechnya and Dagostan will blow up again. So yeah...I don't necessarily see much winding down in the region for a while.

The Ukranian navy is largely irrelevant. The only major ship they have is an outdated Krivak frigate. The remainder are corvettes, minesweepers and a couple landing craft and a single ancient foxtrot submarine that you would have to have huge balls to even submerge in let alone fight with. The most valuable thing the Ukranian navy has is the bases themselves.
67  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 04, 2014, 07:11:40 PM

Quote from: hepcat on March 03, 2014, 04:36:37 PM

That's a bit larger than a "slight majority" when compared to the next largest group.  

It is also unwise to assume that just because those people speak Russian or are ethnic Russian that they want the Russians there. There are a substantial number of ethnic Russians that want Ukraine to be independent of Russia and have no desire to rejoin the empire.
68  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 04, 2014, 07:08:07 PM

Quote from: hepcat on March 03, 2014, 01:58:59 PM

On the surface, it looks like a clear cut case Cold War mentality on the part of the Russians a la Afghanistan.  But I was listening to the news reports on this matter on the way into work this morning and numerous sources are saying that the areas that the Russians have marched into have been almost welcoming due to a large part of the population that considers itself Russian to begin with.  The real test will be whether or not they continue their march into eastern Ukraine, which is the primary source of industry for the Ukraine and which, if lost, will almost completely decimate the Ukrainian economy.

It appears that way because all the people in Crimea that don't want the Russians there are hiding in their houses. If you didn't want them there what would you do? Only a fool would go out and try to antagonize them.
69  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 02, 2014, 04:54:38 AM
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/03/putins-reckless-ukraine-gambit-104125.html?hp=l2#.UxK2UvldWSo

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Vladimir Putin’s surprise decision to ask for a Russian-style War Powers resolution from his parliament dramatically ups the ante in the Ukraine crisis and positions Russia for full-scale military action. It also signals Putin’s commitment to use all necessary means—many of which have already been in use in Crimea—to keep Ukraine in Russia’s orbit. If Putin follows through on his threat to invade Ukraine, he will signal yet again that the post-Cold War era that began with the “Velvet Revolutions” of 1989 has ended. The damage to Russia’s relations with the West will be deep and lasting, far worse than after the Russian-Georgian war. Think 1968, not 2008.
President Barack Obama’s handling of the Western response to the Ukraine crisis is now arguably the biggest test of his presidency. It is a crisis that no one anticipated and that the West has been frustratingly divided over since the European Union’s original, misguided attempt to force Ukraine to make an either-or choice about going east or west. For too long we have heard U.S. officials says repeatedly, “The Europeans are taking the lead.” That needs to stop.

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Post-revolutionary Ukraine is in bad shape. Its economy is wrecked. Government institutions broke down completely after the Yanukovych government disappeared overnight. Corruption and criminality, Ukraine’s twin scourges, remain basically intact. Thanks to Russia’s unexpected moves in Crimea, the West will now have to put Humpty Dumpty back together on its own. These tasks demand that the president designate a senior point-person for coordinating Ukraine policy in all its complexity. Deputy Secretary of State William Burns, one of America’s ablest diplomats and an old Russia hand, is the obvious choice.
The break in the West’s relations with Russia is bound to be deep and lasting. The G-8 will be its first casualty with the Western powers likely to reconstitute the G-7 in its original form as a direct rebuff to Putin. Other important international mechanisms —the U.N. Security Council, ad hoc diplomatic efforts on Syria, the P5+1 process on Iran, the Six-Party talks on North Korea, and so on—will be filled with renewed acrimony and dysfunction. Some may break down entirely. Inevitably, there will be congressional calls for sanctions against Russia, which the White House will be hard-pressed to resist no matter how much it may want to preserve the shreds of cooperation with Russia on Iran, Syria or Afghanistan. The West and Russia are in uncharted waters.




70  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 02, 2014, 01:26:54 AM
Ukraine was stupid for giving up Nuclear weapons and believing we would care about them.

Few other nations will make that mistake again.

Let the proliferation begin.

Get your nucs while they are hot!
71  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Godzilla to return to American shores on: February 28, 2014, 08:36:35 PM
If there is no Gamera I won't see it.

 ninja
72  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Arizona passes controversial anti-gay bill on: February 26, 2014, 05:18:05 AM
What amazes and disturbs me is that not only can people support this but that it seems for many it is THE issue they will let decide their vote. That is truly disheartening. Other than someone who is gay, for them I can totally understand voting based just on this issue.
73  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: New Robocop! on: February 26, 2014, 03:29:04 AM

Quote from: Blackjack on February 26, 2014, 03:18:40 AM

Oh, THIS is what's most sorely missing in the new, unimproved Robocop (thanks to the Internet Movie Firearms database)

Beretta 93R (as the "Auto 9") icon_cool
http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/RoboCop#Beretta_93R_.28as_the_.22Auto_9.22.29

Movie was full of awesome realistic firearms. I am hoping the new one is as well.

The Mossberg shotguns in particular make me wish I had some extra spending money laying around.
74  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Arizona passes controversial anti-gay bill on: February 25, 2014, 02:57:12 PM

Quote from: hepcat on February 25, 2014, 02:53:35 PM

You shouldn't have to feel that giving someone a basic right is capitulation though.  It should just be the right thing to do.  Period.

That would be awesome but clearly the nation is split on what the right thing is, we wouldn't otherwise need political discourse about them. Universally agreed upon right things to do are easy peasy.
75  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Arizona passes controversial anti-gay bill on: February 25, 2014, 02:52:23 PM

Quote from: Fireball on February 25, 2014, 02:34:12 PM

Quote from: Rip on February 25, 2014, 02:24:39 PM

Quote from: Fireball on February 24, 2014, 03:40:53 PM

Nowhere near every conservative wants this evil bill to become law, but nearly everyone who wants this evil bill to become law is a conservative.

That may be the case but I am quite sure there a number of minority southern baptists among other that are pretty anti-homosexual.

I'm not sure what that has to do with anything -- the Southern Baptist religious denomination is an extremely conservative organization.

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That being said I disagree with the characterization that all the Demorat voters are friends of homosexual equal rights, in fact I know that isn't even close to the truth.

I didn't say anything about party. However, the vast majority of Democrats support gay marriage in recent polls, as opposed to the vast majority of Republicans, who oppose.

I am seeing about 2/3rds split on each side. Substantial but vast? Perhaps we just have a different definition of vast. In the end that mean of people who don't support gay marriage one third of them are Democrat, which IMHO draws you statement
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Nowhere near every conservative wants this evil bill to become law, but nearly everyone who wants this evil bill to become law is a conservative.
(which is what you actually said) into question. I can swallow that you thing two-thirds is vast although I disagree, but "nearly everyone" is a clear misuse of the phrase.

That said at this point I support it fully if for no other reason than so we can move on to issues that are really important to me. I would be thrilled to capitulate the issue(which is very important to you) to gain capitulation on one of the other issues that are very important to me )Like spending, domestic spying, and gun control).

Of course the idea of compromise is something often spoken of and almost never practiced.
76  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [TV] Almost Human on: February 25, 2014, 02:34:55 PM

Quote from: Teggy on February 21, 2014, 02:40:13 AM

I've liked this show so far but the last episode was pretty awful. It was like the writer learned about computers from reading some bad cyberpunk. "I'm the best hacker and when I hack I can totally outhack anyone hack hack hackity hack. And I wear all black and I'm super cool."

Yea that one was a little..umm dissappointing. Last nights episode was pretty cool.

Spoiler for Hiden:
I like getting more into the chrom issue not to mention exploring the hinted at obvious inter-office romantic desire.
77  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Uganda president set to sign anti-gay bill into law on: February 25, 2014, 02:31:40 PM
I have been know to wear a speedo on occasion.

Damn perhaps I have some repressed homosexuality I have blocked out.    retard
78  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Arizona passes controversial anti-gay bill on: February 25, 2014, 02:28:49 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on February 25, 2014, 04:04:16 AM

Quote from: hepcat on February 25, 2014, 01:25:02 AM

even I know it's not comprised solely of robber barons dressed like snidely whiplash. 

There's also Richie Rich and Scrooge McDuck.

Don't forget Mr Crab.
79  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Arizona passes controversial anti-gay bill on: February 25, 2014, 02:24:39 PM

Quote from: Fireball on February 24, 2014, 03:40:53 PM

Nowhere near every conservative wants this evil bill to become law, but nearly everyone who wants this evil bill to become law is a conservative.

That may be the case but I am quite sure there a number of minority southern baptists among other that are pretty anti-homosexual. Note I say that but also think this law is stupid and totally disagree with it. That being said I disagree with the characterization that all the Demorat voters are friends of homosexual equal rights, in fact I know that isn't even close to the truth.
80  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Arizona passes controversial anti-gay bill on: February 25, 2014, 02:17:50 PM

Quote from: Punisher on February 23, 2014, 07:53:39 PM

Quote from: rshetts2 on February 23, 2014, 04:36:42 PM

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In my life and in my businesses, if I don't want to do business or if I don't want to deal with a particular company or person or whatever, I'm not interested. That's America. That's freedom."

Uh no, thats not freedom, thats prejudice.  

Freedom to have prejudice!

Anyway, I don't see how this would be different from the same businesses saying that white/black/asian/etc.. people aren't allowed in due to religion.. which isn't legal... I smell... LAWSUITS!

I think you are a little confused. It isn't that religious freedom can't be used to pick you prejudices but that you can't prejudice because of someones religion. At this time sexual preference isn't protected, although I think it should be, but being gay isn't a religion.
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