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121  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Grand Theft Auto V on: October 19, 2013, 06:13:26 PM

Quote from: jztemple2 on October 14, 2013, 03:08:00 AM

Anyone done the third triathlon yet?
Spoiler for Hiden:
Holy crap. Swimming, biking and running, which in GTAV means pressing the "A" button over and over and over again. Got first place, although the game probably gave me a little help, and oh yeah, I kept cutting in front of my pursuers. Final time was 28:23.133. That's right, almost a half hour of pressing that damn "A" key over and over again  eek

Someone needs to make an XBOX controller with autofire. I had a joystick that had that more than ten years ago, I am surprised no one has done it yet. Thankfully if I ever get to play this it iwill be when it comes on the PC where I can add my own autofire.     slywink
122  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie] Blade Runner prequel or sequel coming? on: October 18, 2013, 12:41:39 PM

Quote from: Purge on October 18, 2013, 12:34:08 PM

yes, but it *has* been retconned, and deviated from the original story in doing so. Tongue slywink

This and allow me to add that for a writer to disclose what he had in mind when writing a story is as bad of an idea as a songwriter discloses what a song was really about.

I can't recall who or were but I recall reading a story recently about a song and the meaning of it and the songwriter correctly declined to say explaining that the song meant different things to different people and he didn't want to rob them of what the story being told by the song was to them because a really good song (like a movie) means different things to different people.
123  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie] Blade Runner prequel or sequel coming? on: October 18, 2013, 12:22:27 PM

Quote from: TiLT on October 18, 2013, 04:32:20 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on October 17, 2013, 11:52:07 PM

I was quoting you back to you.

Okay, let me try a different approach since this obviously isn't working. Tongue

Imagine Schrödinger's Cat. Someone has locked a cat in a box, and we're arguing whether or not the cat is alive. As long as we can't observe it, it's both alive and dead, and our own theories are just as valid as anyone else's.

But then the person who puts the cat in the box reveals that he knows that the cat is dead. People can decide not to believe him, but at the end of the day, the cat is still dead.

It's not a perfect analogy (personal interpretation isn't blind faith when it comes to movies, after all), but it'll hopefully make my point clearer.

Or to repeat myself from earlier in the thread: You can have any interpretation you want of Blade Runner, and it'll be perfectly valid as your personal interpretation no matter what happens. However, once you decide to share your interpretation in public, you'll always have to face the fact that the official word says you're wrong. That does not invalidate your personal opinion.

So if you were quoting me, this is what you should have been quoting. Instead you think I'm telling you that you can't have a personal interpretation when there's an official word out there, despite me trying over and over to make it clear that I'm not saying any such thing.

Yet we still don't KNOW if the cat is alive or dead. The person who put the cat in the box could be a liar, delusional, or the cat just appeared dead. Either way the cat is both alive and dead.

Yesterdays official word is tommorrows changed interpretation, misquoted, or just revised official word.

These shows are like soap operas, just because someone is dead today doesn't mean they won't be back. So Decker may have been a replicant in the writer's mind when he penned the story but that doesn't preclude him from not being one in the next movie.
124  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Marvel: Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. on: October 18, 2013, 12:12:37 PM
I am amused at people being unhappy that characters in a superhero show are dissappointing because they do things and think unrealistically. As if ANYTHING they do or think is at all realistic.

A bunch of comic book shrews.
125  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [USA] SHUTDOWN SHUTDOWN!!!!!! Sequel is in the works, slated for Q1 2014 release on: October 18, 2013, 12:06:49 PM
1. There were more than just TP republicans that decided to oppose the CR.
2. A vast majority of them supported the agenda they were pursuing, just not this approach.
126  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [USA] SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! Exclusive DLC 'The Ceiling' coming soon! on: October 16, 2013, 07:54:19 PM

Quote from: raydude on October 16, 2013, 12:34:32 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on October 16, 2013, 02:02:47 AM

heh.  if you look closely, the guy in front of her wearing a dark blue cap is wearing a white coat that is blending in with her pasty white skin.

Um, if that blue cap guy belongs to the white coat body and hands then he has a seriously elongated neck. I think there is a short senior citizen lady with white hair (you can see it poking out of the forehead of the girl with backpack) wearing a white sweater holding her hand up.

This.
127  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [USA] SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! Exclusive DLC 'The Ceiling' coming soon! on: October 09, 2013, 11:52:32 PM

Quote from: Gratch on October 09, 2013, 03:41:06 PM

Quote from: Rip on October 09, 2013, 02:51:11 PM

You wouldn't even need that. The republicans have tried to take the approach of sending on the stuff everyone can agree on so it can be whittled down to budget areas where there are differences. That was not acceptable to Reid/Obama. They fear loosing leverage for the stuff they know wouldn't get through. Both sides are more worried about getting their less popular pet issues through than the most important meat items that neither one dares oppose.

Right. Because that's how a government should be budgeted and run. Defund everything, then refund things one at a time in a knee-jerk fashion, based on whatever the media happens to focus on.

I didn't say it should, I was just pointing out that the suggestion was something already attempted.
128  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [USA] SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! Exclusive DLC 'The Ceiling' coming soon! on: October 09, 2013, 02:51:11 PM

Quote from: raydude on October 09, 2013, 01:26:09 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on October 08, 2013, 09:40:24 PM

hopefully they fix this piece of bullshit right quick:

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In what veterans call an outrageous slight after the ultimate sacrifice, the shuttered federal government is withholding a $100,000 payment normally wired to relatives of fallen soldiers — including the families of five killed in Afghanistan over the weekend.

The payment, known as the death gratuity, is typically sent to families of the fallen within three days to help them cover funeral costs or travel to meet the flag-draped coffins of their loved ones.

“It is upsetting because my husband died for his country, and now his family is left to worry,” said Ashley Peters of Springfield, Mo., whose husband, Jeremy, was a special agent assigned to the Army’s 5th Military Police Battalion and was among the five killed. “My husband always said if something happened to him we would be taken care of.”

“I’m a stay-at-home mom, which is what my husband wanted,” she said. “He wanted me to take care of our son.”

Outrage over the lapse built Tuesday in both parties in Congress, among the relatives of the fallen and among veteran advocacy groups, which characterized it as an unacceptable breach of the country’s obligation to its volunteer military and their families.

The families of five U.S. troops killed overseas this weekend will not receive the usual "death gratuity" due to the government shutdown. A typical $100,000 compensation is wired to families within 36 hours to help with funeral and other expenses.

“Impacting grieving families when they are at their absolute weakest point is just disgusting,” said Joe Davis, a spokesman for the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the largest organization of combat veterans in the United States.

“Veterans, military personnel and now their families are not to be used as leverage in this political game of blame,” he said. He called on leaders in Congress to “put the country ahead of their politics.”

Congress passed a law last week to pay the military during the shutdown. Pentagon officials studied it to assess whether it might cover the death gratuity and determined that it was not possible, a defense official told NBC News on Tuesday.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/08/20871220-just-disgusting-outrage-after-shutdown-delays-payment-for-families-of-fallen?lite

I wonder if we could push all aspects of the government through media outrage and re-open the government bit-by-bit. Wouldn't that be a hoot to have House Republicans wake up and realize too late that their leverage is gone. smile

You wouldn't even need that. The republicans have tried to take the approach of sending on the stuff everyone can agree on so it can be whittled down to budget areas where there are differences. That was not acceptable to Reid/Obama. They fear loosing leverage for the stuff they know wouldn't get through. Both sides are more worried about getting their less popular pet issues through than the most important meat items that neither one dares oppose.

This is what happens when the historical budget process has been disregarded repeatedly in order to push through things under the guise of a crisis that wouldn't make it if the proper protocol hadn't become a matter of history rather than one of practice.
129  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Gulf states to introduce medical testing on travellers to 'detect' gay people on: October 09, 2013, 02:40:53 PM
Yea, when I saw the headline on this somewhere and it just said gulf states, I was like WHAT?  icon_eek

Then I looked at the story and realized they weren't talking about the gulf states I live in.   icon_wink

The sad thing is that it is close enough to possible that the possibility seemed imaginable.

I think they are working on a socialist/commie/fascist test though. Probably just a modified take on the pedeophile test but instead of showing you naked photos of kids they show you a series of photos of Obama/Clinton/Pelosi/Biden and if you don't exhibit a gag reflex you test positive.     icon_lol
130  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [USA] SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! Exclusive DLC 'The Ceiling' coming soon! on: October 08, 2013, 03:29:00 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on October 07, 2013, 03:00:55 AM

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“The debt ceiling historically has been among the best leverage that Congress has to rein in the executive," Cruz said.


Wait. What? The President makes the budget now?

I hate when they change the Constitution without telling anybody.


Nobody makes the budget now, and he has been MIA.
131  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: October 04, 2013, 07:45:35 PM
Just an update, carry on.
132  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: October 03, 2013, 10:59:13 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on October 03, 2013, 10:46:18 PM

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Kind of disorienting when the opposite approach is used when it comes to dealing with foreign governments. They have never taken a strong stand against the likes of Pakistan, Syria, Russia, Iran, etc.

Is this that "we looked weak" bullshit because we didn't go bomb the bejebus out of Syria?  It's an empty argument.  If we were serious about cleaning up places that abuse their people we'd be in Darfor, South America, Somalia, Pakistan, Iraq, etc. etc. etc. etc.   but we can't possibly go around threatening and then attacking everyone.  The President has to publicly denounce everything that anyone does or he'll get strung up for not making a statement, THEN he'll get strung up if they don't LIKE the statement, and THEN he'll get strung up if he doesn't adhere to his threat to the letter?   It makes no sense at all.  

No I am talking about the part where we keep inviting people to talk, give them a bunch of incentives just to ge tthem to talk and then act all surprised when we find out they were just buying time and that whatever deal we thought we could get "negotiated" never had a chance at all we were just being stalled, distracted, and fleeced.

FOr instance do you really think Iran is going to do ANYTHING to alleviate fears they are working on a nuclear weapon? Not a chance in Hell, but I wouldn't be surprised if we don't back off some sanctions as a wasted show of good faith.

Do you think that the prisoners we made Israel release will do anything beyond getting them to talk about a deal that they either won't go for or will and then will totally dishonor from the word go?

That is without even bothering to go into all the "rebels" we have assisted in overthrowing oppressive governments in the hopes of earning some respect only to have them practically spit in our face and laugh at us.

edit: Oh and I don't think we should have bombed Syria, We should have stayed the hell out of it.
133  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Healthcare Exchanges Are Live. How's it Looking For You? on: October 03, 2013, 10:37:44 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on October 03, 2013, 08:37:14 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on October 03, 2013, 07:03:14 AM

As for why I think its good to work for and get insurance as part of my benefits from a job rather then have other taxpayers pay for it shouldn't be something that a rational person needs explained to them.

Have you thought about how much more competitive American business would be if it didn't have to subsidize health insurance?

No because they would just have to pay more. It isn't as if they are just doing it for no reason, it is part of a compensation package.
134  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: October 03, 2013, 10:36:10 PM

Quote from: brettmcd on October 03, 2013, 10:09:14 PM

Not that I in any way condone the tactics of the republicans, but I can't see any way Obama can let the debt ceiling not be raised.    Yes don't give into threats and all that, but can we let the world economy implode to make that stand?    Sometimes the person making the threat wins if what they are threatening is something that cannot be allowed to happen.



He can and there will be a huge group here cheering him every step of the way.

Kind of disorienting when the opposite approach is used when it comes to dealing with foreign governments. They have never taken a strong stand against the likes of Pakistan, Syria, Russia, Iran, etc.
135  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: October 03, 2013, 12:53:23 PM
Am I the only one that finds it funny that they are in places using more manpower trying to shut things down and prevent people from accessing them than keeping them open require?

Closing off parkings spaces (for place like MV they can't shut down because they don't fund them) and bike trails along the Chesapeake and Ohio Canal.

The Barrycade business is booming!
136  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: October 03, 2013, 04:19:58 AM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on October 01, 2013, 03:32:51 PM

The House will pass a clean CR.

Any minute now.


 Torches and Happiness!
137  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Breaking bad as good/bad as usual! on: October 01, 2013, 10:18:52 PM
Stolen from Toe's post on OO.

Jesse Pinkman: One Sorry Individual
138  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: October 01, 2013, 05:24:29 PM

Quote from: th'FOOL on October 01, 2013, 04:16:26 PM

Quote from: Rip on October 01, 2013, 04:01:08 PM

Situation is what situation is, it didn't get there overnight in a vacuum.

You keep on saying this as if it somehow equivocates the two party's approaches.

You say that as if I feel any need to. They are all pretty much a bunch of worthless crooked douchebags.

They are all acting pretty much in the exact way I have come to expect them to act. ALL of them, I am not the one trying to blame one side.
139  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: October 01, 2013, 04:02:17 PM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on October 01, 2013, 03:32:51 PM

The House will pass a clean CR.

By traitor?
140  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: October 01, 2013, 04:01:08 PM

Quote from: Gratch on October 01, 2013, 03:31:59 PM

Quote from: Rip on October 01, 2013, 03:23:29 PM

That is nice but you can make her go to school, you can't make the house pass the CR. So if you would be happy to let your kid miss school to keep her from having cookies this is right up your alley, but as long as she actually goes to school it doesn't apply.

And therein lies the problem.  The current situation is the equivalent of Little B pulling a gun on me and threatening to shoot unless I gave her cookies.

Situation is what situation is, it didn't get there overnight in a vacuum.

As far as Little B, given the current situation, I would suggest you tread lightly.    icon_biggrin
141  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: October 01, 2013, 03:23:29 PM

Quote from: Gratch on October 01, 2013, 03:13:46 PM

Quote from: Rip on October 01, 2013, 02:57:32 PM

As I said it has happened. Now we get to see how long it takes before they realize that they will have to compromise at least a little bit or it may last till next election or longer.

I have a rule - a law, as it were - in my house that Little B 4.6 doesn't get any cookies after breakfast.  When she throws a tantrum about this and refuses to go to school until she gets cookies, I don't compromise and give her one cookie.  In what would that make sense to do?  I tell her that those are the rules of the house and she needs to follow them.  Same principle applies here.

The ACA is law, whether the GOP likes it or not.  You lost the fight at every level up to and including the Supreme Court...get over it.  Throwing a temper tantrum that affects millions of people's livelihoods then crying because the big bad Dems won't compromise with you is absurd.  Thankfully, all but the derpiest of the citizenry is seeing it for what it is.

That is nice but you can make her go to school, you can't make the house pass the CR. So if you would be happy to let your kid miss school to keep her from having cookies this is right up your alley, but as long as she actually goes to school it doesn't apply.
142  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: October 01, 2013, 02:57:32 PM

Quote from: Teggy on October 01, 2013, 04:23:45 AM

Quote from: Rip on September 30, 2013, 11:42:45 PM

Thank the government education system for teaching my wife little to nothing.

You're just trolling us now, right?

She can barely read or write, you tell me.

As I said it has happened. Now we get to see how long it takes before they realize that they will have to compromise at least a little bit or it may last till next election or longer.
143  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: September 30, 2013, 11:42:45 PM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on September 30, 2013, 10:34:14 PM

Quote from: Rip on September 30, 2013, 03:22:27 AM

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Meanwhile, the House has passed a continuing resolution on Sunday vis-à-vis Obamaare in which would delay the Affordable Care Act's implementation for one year and repeal the healthcare law's medical device tax. That resolution, like the first bill that defunded Obamacare, is also certain to be killed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
Once the second bill is killed, Vitter’s plan takes the same amendment forcing the end to federal subsidies for the political class's health insurance and attaches it to the first defunding bill that was killed and sent back to the House. Then the House passes the bill, sends it back up to the Senate, and waits for the Senate to kill it again. One Democratic leadership aide has already said it probably wouldn’t even receive a chance to be voted on.
If the government shuts down, then, the Democrats will have forced it because they would not give up their de facto exemption from Obamacare. Vitter’s plan would show that after getting funding for every special interest they want, including Obamacare, Senate Democrats would not make a single, common-sense concession: tax dollars to insulate themselves from the very healthcare law they are forcing onto the country's working class.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/29/Vitter-s-Clever-Plan-for-Outmaneuvering-Dems-over-Obamacare

That would be interesting, hope they do it.


Rip finds Breitbart.com an interesting and credible source for information.  You know: the site that breathlessly reports about political appointees with financial ties to terrorist organizations that don't exist.


Quote from: Rip on September 30, 2013, 12:10:35 AM

Pretty much ever fast food franchise has begun to limit employees to under thirty hours thereby making them part-time to avoid Obamacare mandated healthcare. So now many fast food employees are working at two different franchises in order to make enough hours, of course getting it all at regular time now instead of the overtime many of them used to get for hours over 40.


Rip's wife and daughter work for a fast food company where they can't make ends meet without piling on the overtime.  Sounds like grueling and under-appreciated work to me...but I wonder what Breitbart.com has to say about their desire for a living wage.

Quote from: Breitbart.com
Congressman Ellison and the fast food strikers ignore reality; not all jobs are designed to provide a living wage. The coddling that the left media and Democrats are giving the low-skilled workers as they stamp their feet and raise their picket signs isn't helping them adjust to the real world of supply and demand, where low skilled workers are easily replaced since there are so many of them.

For decades, fast food jobs have been considerd entry level or part time work; they are 'starter jobs' that teach basic work skills such as showing up on time, customer service and following basic instructions. For others, like retirees or Moms with kids in schoool, they have provided a way to be productive and bring in a little extra cash. Fast food work wasn't designed to be a career unless a worker wanted to show initiative and become a manager.

There's a fairly simple path to management for fast food workers with any such ambitions; do your job, show some responsibility, and most fast food restaurants provide a quick way to rise through the ranks. Many franchisees start this way.


Rip, your "news" site says your wife and daughter are low-skilled entitled brats who would be working full-time management positions if they could show up on time, follow basic instructions, and demonstrate a little responsibility. 

How do you respond to the portrayal of your family as a clot of leeches sucking the economy dry because they can't master even basic work skills, and do you agree with Breitbart.com that we should all ignore their plight because "the real world of supply and demand" has deemed them so worthless?

-Autistic Angel

Breitbart is hardly my site. I is one of many sites I check out.

I would say they are right, fast food is a bottom feeding low end job. Thank the government education system for teaching my wife little to nothing. My daughter is just turning 18 so that is pretty much expected.

They weren't loading on overtime, they just enjoy picking up a little extra cash with the 5-10 hours of OT a week they could get, giving them 40-50 hours a week, now they are looking at nearly 60 hours a week for no more money.

That Friends of Hamas thng pales in comparison to things like O'Bagy getting citied by the administration and numerous news orgs when she didn't even really have a PhD. If I quit accepting news from sites that have occasionally gotten things totally wrong I would have no place else to get news from.

Funny thing is there is nothing credibility wise to even question in that story, it was simply reporting what everyone pretty much is, just for you I will post it from an MSNBC source next time as I imagine that is where you get your "factual" news.

 Roll Eyes
144  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: September 30, 2013, 07:47:19 PM
Maybe if they would all start doing their jobs and actually do a budget properly instead of doing a CR for so long that the AP had the audacity to call it an otherwise routine funding bill.

We didn't get here overnight.
145  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: September 30, 2013, 03:22:27 AM
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Meanwhile, the House has passed a continuing resolution on Sunday vis-à-vis Obamaare in which would delay the Affordable Care Act's implementation for one year and repeal the healthcare law's medical device tax. That resolution, like the first bill that defunded Obamacare, is also certain to be killed by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
Once the second bill is killed, Vitter’s plan takes the same amendment forcing the end to federal subsidies for the political class's health insurance and attaches it to the first defunding bill that was killed and sent back to the House. Then the House passes the bill, sends it back up to the Senate, and waits for the Senate to kill it again. One Democratic leadership aide has already said it probably wouldn’t even receive a chance to be voted on.
If the government shuts down, then, the Democrats will have forced it because they would not give up their de facto exemption from Obamacare. Vitter’s plan would show that after getting funding for every special interest they want, including Obamacare, Senate Democrats would not make a single, common-sense concession: tax dollars to insulate themselves from the very healthcare law they are forcing onto the country's working class.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/09/29/Vitter-s-Clever-Plan-for-Outmaneuvering-Dems-over-Obamacare

That would be interesting, hope they do it.
146  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: September 30, 2013, 12:14:34 AM

Quote from: Gratch on September 29, 2013, 09:40:51 PM

Quote from: Rip on September 29, 2013, 09:05:23 PM

I am opposed to a federal healthcare system period.

Because our existing clusterfuck of a healthcare system is working out so well for everyone, right?

Hasn't bothered me. I have pretty much never used it except to get stitches and a wasteful treatment of my heel when I broke it that would have healed just as well had I never went but broke down and went anyway just to be sure it was nothing more major. The nurses actually had to call their peers over to look at the big blue foot injury that occurred two weeks previous because they didn't believe anyone would not go for that long with such an injury.
147  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: September 30, 2013, 12:10:35 AM

Quote from: Teggy on September 29, 2013, 11:04:07 PM

Quote from: Rip on September 29, 2013, 09:05:23 PM

and has already resulted in my wife and daughter needing to work two part time jobs and many more hours to bring home the same money as they used to with one fulltime job and grabbing a little overtime.

Can you elaborate on this comment?

Pretty much ever fast food franchise has begun to limit employees to under thirty hours thereby making them part-time to avoid Obamacare mandated healthcare. So now many fast food employees are working at two different franchises in order to make enough hours, of course getting it all at regular time now instead of the overtime many of them used to get for hours over 40.
148  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: September 29, 2013, 09:05:23 PM
There is nothing more hostile they can do, that is more point. When you say I won't give an inch they will do the most hostile thing they have. At this point that is refusing to pass the funding CR and I would suspect refusing to authorize more debt. As you say this is a really terrible thing to do and will without a doubt hurt both parties and everyone in between. So it would seem prudent to give them a face saving out. They haven't got that out, so with no other option than outright surrender they will fight with whatever they have.

Since uncle Clinton says it is a bluff

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"He could stop it, but the price of - the current price of stopping it is higher than the price of letting the Republicans do it and taking their medicine," he said in an interview that aired Sunday on ABC's "This Week."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/29/clinton-says-obama-needs-to-call-the-gops-bluff/?hpt=hp_t1

it would appear a shutdown is inevitable, unless you believe it is a bluff. I certainly don't and I am pretty certain my congressman and senators know I wasn't bluffing when I said I won't vote for someone who votes to fund Obamacare as it stands.

Whether not it is a fair or even honorable way to do it I don't care. It is bad for me and my finances and has already resulted in my wife and daughter needing to work two part time jobs and many more hours to bring home the same money as they used to with one fulltime job and grabbing a little overtime. I wouldn't give a crap if it Romney had one the election and it was Romneycare and not Obamacare, I would be every bit as much opposed to it. I am opposed to a federal healthcare system period.
149  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Re: Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: September 29, 2013, 05:31:52 PM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on September 29, 2013, 11:07:21 AM

Quote from: Rip on September 29, 2013, 12:02:20 AM

Either way for them to forfeit the battle now would be even worse than having never fought it, so unless they are totally stupid they really don't have a choice now. Passing the bill as it stands now would guarantee the loss of The House in the the next election.


Option A: Deliberately sabotage the economy, hurting the poor and middle class the worst, and hope that enough anger at generic targets like "Washington" and "Congress" splashes onto Democrats that people vote for you out of hopeless frustration.

Option B: Produce economically viable ideas about how to improve the country for its citizens, engage in good faith negotiations to see them passed into law, and use that record of accomplishments to earn people's votes.

The fact that you consider Option A to be the preferrable choice at all says a lot about you and your political affiliations, Rip.  Do me a favor: why don't you address Gratch directly and explain to him how slashing his family's income is an acceptable price for John Boehner to cling to the Speakership for one more term of flaccid inaction?

-Autistic Angel

Option B must be a joke. They have ideas but president and senate have shown they are not interested in them and won't allow most amendments or changes. Although the president can make changes just as big or bigger on a whim at his discretion. Good faith negotiations requires the participation of more than one party. The other side has already stated they will not negotiate and when you do that you should expect hostility as a result.
150  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Facebook Insanity] Saudi Sheikh warns women driving may affect ovaries & pelvis on: September 29, 2013, 02:12:22 AM

Quote from: Purge on September 29, 2013, 12:52:57 AM

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He further stated that 33% female drivers caused car accidents in Arab countries as opposed to 9% male.

.... and the rest?

The remaining 52% are obviously Eunuchs
151  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [TV] The Blacklist on: September 29, 2013, 12:06:32 AM

Quote from: rshetts2 on September 28, 2013, 11:19:03 PM

Quote from: Rip on September 28, 2013, 07:31:10 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on September 27, 2013, 02:40:51 PM

I liked it mainly because of Spader.  I think they are playing up the fact he is probably her father, but I think it's red herring and would be too convenient.  Most likely a friend of her real dad or something of that nature

I think that would be a mistake. For her to be his daughter is the only thing that makes sense. Now I could swallow that isn't his daughter that he is known to have, maybe another illegitimate daughter that no one could be aware is his. Note the fact that the FBI guy was all curious why her father being a crook wasn't in her record. Best new show by far IMHO.

Ive liked the show so far and thing that Spader is great in the role.  The big issue I had is his connection to the hot rookie.  Regardless of how this thing is going to play out, he totally rolled the dice with her life and she was a heartbeat from being dead. Thats going to make it tough to believe he has a family connection to her.  Ill be interested to see if theres a real reason for that or if they just ignore the fact and move on.

I think that fits right in with how I expect he would raise a child. He is arrogant and he expects her to measure up, the only thing that made him do this was seeing, by watching her, that she could be as smart as he.
152  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Re: Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: September 29, 2013, 12:02:20 AM

Quote from: Canuck on September 28, 2013, 11:31:59 PM

Quote from: Rip on September 28, 2013, 08:34:58 PM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on September 28, 2013, 08:20:31 PM

Not enforcing a law they don't agree with is a) a regularly used tactic by plenty of administrations and b) a husbanding of limited resources.

And the Dems are more than willing to fund the government.  And they want to fund all of the laws that have been legally passed.  The Repubs want to fund everything but the stuff they don't want, and are willing to grind things to a halt if they don't get to cherrypick what gets money and what doesn't.

I'd say it's all a matter of perspective, but in this case, your perspective is wrong.  The Repubs are not in majority and they're throwing a fit because they'r eoutvoted and outnumbered in the government as a whole.

Power of the Purse has been used as well, most notably in an attempt to force us out of the Vietnam War.

I don't understand what all you guys are upset about, you should be cheering. If this move is as catastrphic as you like to indicate it is, it should lead to Democrats controlling all branches of the government for decades. You should be cheering them on, unless destruction of Republican chances to lead isn't so certain after all.
As a non-American who won't be directly negatively affected, I am cheering it on in a way. I would really like to see the Republicans burn themselves to the ground as a party. Perhaps a Phoenix will rise from the ashes. As has already been stated though that is unlikely to happen thanks to gerrymandering. Perhaps the US should move to a proportional voting format? Then I think you would see Republicans changing their tune as a party quite quickly.

Perhaps the Libertarian party would actually become relevant? I could get behind that. Either way for them to forfeit the battle now would be even worse than having never fought it, so unless they are totally stupid they really don't have a choice now. Passing the bill as it stands now would guarantee the loss of The House in the the next election.
153  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: September 28, 2013, 10:05:10 PM

Quote from: Fireball1244 on September 28, 2013, 09:36:47 PM

Quote from: Rip on September 28, 2013, 08:34:58 PM

I don't understand what all you guys are upset about, you should be cheering. If this move is as catastrphic as you like to indicate it is, it should lead to Democrats controlling all branches of the government for decades.

I do not consider an improvement in my party's electoral chances to be worth deeply damaging the economy of the United States, as these funding and debt ceiling games could do. I want to win, to be sure, but not at the cost of harming millions of innocent people.

Then it would seem prudent to sign off on the one year delay. If the president could exempt businesses for a year it would seem doing so for the rest of us would not be catastophic, whereas everyone can agree the shutdown will be very harmful. When you refuse to negotiate with "terrorists threatening to blow things up" don't be surprised when they "blow things up". They have nothing to lose as myself and many others have made it VERY clear if they fund it without concessions don't expect to get reelected.

154  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: September 28, 2013, 08:50:31 PM
If it were me I would pass it with language that would delay implementing Obamacare until that border fence was funded and built.

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155  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: September 28, 2013, 08:35:45 PM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on September 28, 2013, 08:20:31 PM

Not enforcing a law they don't agree with is a) a regularly used tactic by plenty of administrations and b) a husbanding of limited resources.

And the Dems are more than willing to fund the government.  And they want to fund all of the laws that have been legally passed.  The Repubs want to fund everything but the stuff they don't want, and are willing to grind things to a halt if they don't get to cherrypick what gets money and what doesn't.

I'd say it's all a matter of perspective, but in this case, your perspective is wrong.  The Repubs are not in majority and they're throwing a fit because they'r eoutvoted and outnumbered in the government as a whole.

SO then this would just lead to them losing what little power they have. You should be happy.
156  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: September 28, 2013, 08:34:58 PM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on September 28, 2013, 08:20:31 PM

Not enforcing a law they don't agree with is a) a regularly used tactic by plenty of administrations and b) a husbanding of limited resources.

And the Dems are more than willing to fund the government.  And they want to fund all of the laws that have been legally passed.  The Repubs want to fund everything but the stuff they don't want, and are willing to grind things to a halt if they don't get to cherrypick what gets money and what doesn't.

I'd say it's all a matter of perspective, but in this case, your perspective is wrong.  The Repubs are not in majority and they're throwing a fit because they'r eoutvoted and outnumbered in the government as a whole.

Power of the Purse has been used as well, most notably in an attempt to force us out of the Vietnam War.

I don't understand what all you guys are upset about, you should be cheering. If this move is as catastrphic as you like to indicate it is, it should lead to Democrats controlling all branches of the government for decades. You should be cheering them on, unless destruction of Republican chances to lead isn't so certain after all.
157  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: on: September 28, 2013, 08:14:53 PM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on September 28, 2013, 07:59:00 PM

Quote from: Rip on September 28, 2013, 07:02:53 PM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on September 28, 2013, 03:50:10 PM

They got what they wanted when the law was passed. Now the other side is being petulant and underhanded, attempting to sabotage a law by any means necessary.


I will get upset about that when the POTUS starts enforcing the laws.


Congressional Republicans are currently threatening to shut down the government and default on the nation's debt unless the Affordable Healthcare Act is repealed.  What are some of the specific laws the POTUS is failing to enforce that you feel are equivalent to denying pay to active duty servicemen and collapsing the global economy?

-Autistic Angel

I don't see it that way. I see it as Democrats threatening to shut down the government unless it is funded as is. Is Obamacare more important that paying servicemen and not collapsing the economy?

I don't hve time or energy to list all the laws that Obama and the executive branch have chosen not to enforce and/or ignore, there are dozens.
158  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [TV] The Blacklist on: September 28, 2013, 07:31:10 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on September 27, 2013, 02:40:51 PM

I liked it mainly because of Spader.  I think they are playing up the fact he is probably her father, but I think it's red herring and would be too convenient.  Most likely a friend of her real dad or something of that nature

I think that would be a mistake. For her to be his daughter is the only thing that makes sense. Now I could swallow that isn't his daughter that he is known to have, maybe another illegitimate daughter that no one could be aware is his. Note the fact that the FBI guy was all curious why her father being a crook wasn't in her record. Best new show by far IMHO.
159  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: on: September 28, 2013, 07:02:53 PM

Quote from: Isgrimnur on September 28, 2013, 03:50:10 PM

Quote from: Rip on September 28, 2013, 04:08:53 AM

Quote from: Ironrod on September 27, 2013, 11:01:09 PM

I don't know how it's going to play out, but I wish they'd quit fucking around and do their jobs -- namely, governing. I've seen this movie too many times to get engrossed in the details. Just work it out.

And if you can't, we're going to declare the tea party a terrorist organization and break it up.

So by working it out you mean just give them what they want, got ya.

They got what they wanted when the law was passed. Now the other side is being petulant and underhanded, attempting to sabotage a law by any means necessary.

I will get upset about that when the POTUS starts enforcing the laws. The Republicans hardly have a monopoly on being petulant and underhanded. The path they are taking is made possible by laws as well, so if you don't like the way the game is being played change the rules, but don't be surprised if that would come back to haunt you as well.
160  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: it's time for the next round of SHUTDOWN SHOWDOWN!!!!!! on: September 28, 2013, 04:08:53 AM

Quote from: Ironrod on September 27, 2013, 11:01:09 PM

I don't know how it's going to play out, but I wish they'd quit fucking around and do their jobs -- namely, governing. I've seen this movie too many times to get engrossed in the details. Just work it out.

And if you can't, we're going to declare the tea party a terrorist organization and break it up.

So by working it out you mean just give them what they want, got ya.
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