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1  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: How not to defend the second amendment on: July 26, 2014, 06:39:06 PM
Open carry, as long as it isn't alcohol.
2  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Chic fil a and their overly religious behavior. on: July 26, 2014, 06:37:28 PM

Quote from: Moliere on July 25, 2014, 03:29:24 PM

I have this aggressive customer service problem with my bank. Every time I walk in there are 3 tellers and a greeter trying to talk to me. Then they start asking me about my day, am I working today or have the day off, what's for lunch, and what are my plans for the weekend.

Your soul, we claim it.
3  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Jack is back - 24 returning on: July 15, 2014, 11:28:24 PM
I thought it was great.

Would certainly watch another season.
4  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Net Neutrality on: July 15, 2014, 11:24:51 PM
Nice video that makes it clear the direction we are going is not neutral at all.
5  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Net Neutrality on: July 15, 2014, 09:48:47 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/video/technology/100000002881329/how-net-neutrality-works.html
6  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Sarah Palin demands...DEMANDS...impeachment. Can still see Russia from porch. on: July 13, 2014, 07:43:31 AM
Very crafty manipulation of the numbers.



http://www.zebrafactcheck.com/politifact-deportation-deception/

Doesn't take a lot of digging to see that the answer isn't so simple and that the double talk is strong.
7  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Sarah Palin demands...DEMANDS...impeachment. Can still see Russia from porch. on: July 10, 2014, 08:06:23 PM

Quote from: Fireball on July 10, 2014, 01:51:49 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on July 10, 2014, 02:42:33 AM

The President takes an oath to "faithfully execute" the laws that Congress passes, but Obama has taken it upon himself to fudge certain deadlines and other details without the consent of Congress. I don't know enough about constitutional law to judge just how flexible faithfully executing should be, but the objections have some merit. Calling a law "Obamacare" doesn't mean that Obama gets to define it as he goes along.

Impeachable? I doubt it, but impeachment is at least as much about political power as it is about legal merits.

The thing is that the laws Congress writes have all sorts of wiggle room in them. Congress writes laws that lack specificity, and then delegates to the Executive Branch the power to issue rules to fill in the gaps and adjust things to accommodate reality. This is a necessity -- otherwise it would take Congressional action to alter any program that needs small tweaks.

The President has pushed this to the edge a few times regarding the ACA, but ultimately it's all built on a foundation of precedent from previous presidents. He hasn't changed the law, he's adjusted deadlines, which has happened numerous times with previous laws. He hasn't single-handedly eliminated any provision of the law, or created entire new parts by executive order, both of which would be way out of bounds.

Ironically, on immigration he often gets accused of lawlessness when in fact he has enforced immigration law more vigorously than any previous president.

Can't imagine how you can say he vigorously enforces immigration law with a straight face.
8  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Sarah Palin demands...DEMANDS...impeachment. Can still see Russia from porch. on: July 10, 2014, 08:04:12 PM

Quote from: ATB on July 10, 2014, 11:52:01 AM

I think the problem is that he's stuck with a do nothing congress and he's forced to do whatever he can through executive orders.  I believe his use of the latter is what's testing the bounds, but WTF else is he supposed to do?  I mean I don't agree with many of his policies but if we had a congress that actually did it's job...

Heard an interesting report on NPR about Obama's approval rating is in the toilet and one of the commentators said 'We are only 18 months into his second term, and he's already a lame duck and no one is expecting him to be able to do anything.'

Fab.

A lot of good it would do them to do their job, he will just ignore any of that work he doesn't like. Seems pointless to enact laws that will only be enforced as much as the POTUS desires. Easier to let him do what he will and have no doubt the result is on him rather than to rubber stamp what he wants and potentially share in the blame for the results. Anything that works out well he will take all the credit for anyway so no upside.
9  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama seeking 1/2 Billion for Syrian Opposition on: July 10, 2014, 07:55:48 PM
Hopefully you guys have tested your Iron Shield defense?

I don't want to become an innocent victim of your unholy war.

 ninja2
10  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: WAZ 7/3/14 on: July 07, 2014, 09:47:52 PM
Quote
About 60 percent to 75 percent of the vegetables and about 40 percent of the fruits ended up in lunchroom trash bins in 2012 — roughly the same amount as in 2011.

Ahh, but that ignores that the percentage of the lunch that was fruit and veggies went from a third to two thirds. So yeah there was more thrown away. Unless like a fool you look at the percentages of one category that gets thrown away while ignoring what percentage of the meal is comprised of that category.

BTW, I do pay taxes. I just failed to file a few years and filed late. I am filed up to date now, although I still owe money. I am pretty sure they will get their money out of me sooner or later.

11  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: WAZ 7/3/14 on: July 07, 2014, 07:23:22 PM

Quote from: hepcat on July 07, 2014, 07:07:41 PM

Sooooo, in your world, punishing your kid by sending them to bed without supper if they don't eat their vegetables automatically equates to "we should totally abolish lunch and save money!"  

Come on, you can do better than that.   icon_lol

Rip logic:

Rip:  Kids will die if they miss a meal!
Hepcat:  Missing one meal won't kill a kid.
Rip:  Then why feed them lunch to begin with!

Anyway...

I found this slideshow of school lunches from around the world kind of neat (scroll down the page to see the presentation).


No, what I say is why make the rest of us pay for lunches for them to just get thrown away.

Quote
SNA officials rightly point out that many students are throwing away the additional fruits and vegetables included in their lunches, amounting to $684 million in food waste every year – or roughly “enough to serve complete reimbursable school lunches to more than 228 million students,” according to the Times.

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SNA critics contend the group sold out to big food companies that don’t like the “healthy” lunch overhaul, but what they don’t discuss is the overwhelming evidence that many parents and school nutrition experts also dislike the new rules.

Aside from the significant school lunch revenue declines and massive food waste tied to the changes, hungry students across the country have protested against the strict nutrition guidelines.

Many student athletes, for example, have argued their limited-calorie lunches leave them famished. Parents have reported their children are now going without school lunch, then binge eating when they get home. Parents have also complained about ridiculously strict interpretations of the federal lunch rules, which have resulted in a ban on birthday cupcakes in classrooms, among other things.

http://eagnews.org/school-nutrition-group-turns-on-michelle-o-now-fighting-federal-lunch-regulations/
12  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: WAZ 7/3/14 on: July 07, 2014, 07:04:07 PM

Quote from: hepcat on July 07, 2014, 06:59:09 PM

Quote from: Rip on July 07, 2014, 06:57:00 PM

Quote from: hepcat on July 07, 2014, 05:21:31 PM

Stuff totally unrelated to Rip's reply, but let's see where he tries to go!

So you are all for ending free lunch?

No, why?

Because,

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Parents have been sending their kids to bed without supper for friggin' ever.  I don't see them dropping like flies over missing one meal, for christ's sake.

Sounds to me like there is no need for the rest of us to buy someone a meal. Not like they would be "dropping like flies".
13  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: WAZ 7/3/14 on: July 07, 2014, 06:57:00 PM

Quote from: hepcat on July 07, 2014, 05:21:31 PM

So you'd rather have them get early onset diabetes than go hungry for one meal?  It's more harmful for them to eat that shit than it is to miss one damn meal.

Parents have been sending their kids to bed without supper for friggin' ever.  I don't see them dropping like flies over missing one meal, for christ's sake.

This wussy attitude of "waaahhh....my kid can't eat twizzlers for lunch instead of a healthy meal so we shouldn't rock the boat" is such a nanny state example of lax parenting that I'm surprised you endorse it.  Kids often need to be told what's good for them.  Period.



So you are all for ending free lunch?

I don't think anyone has been serving candy for lunch. The school lunches they have had are much more healthy than what most of them eat for the other meals.

I am all for making school lunches more healthy but you have to do it with a focus on meals that taste good so they will embrace it. When a vast majority say they are horrible to the point they would embrace what they used to get it isn't going to work. Especially when you consider most of them weren't fond of the old food. Quite an accomplishment to take something that was bad and make it horrible.
14  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: WAZ 7/3/14 on: July 07, 2014, 05:13:34 PM

Quote from: hepcat on July 07, 2014, 04:41:42 PM

You gotta be kidding me.  I thought you were a parent?  Do you routinely tell your children to eat their veggies...but only if they want to!

Of course kids don't want to eat healthy.  That's been true for...well...ever.   Name me one kid that doesn't want to go straight to desert at dinner and skip the broccoli? 

The answer isn't to say "Oh well, better you eat huge chunks of lard than nothing at all!".  It's to say "This is what you're getting.  Eat it or go hungry until you get home." 





Then you solve nothing. Not eating isn't any healthier.

Kids that don't eat also don't learn very well. I am far more concerned with the education my kids get in school than what they eat while they are there.
15  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: WAZ 7/3/14 on: July 07, 2014, 04:33:48 PM

Quote from: hepcat on July 07, 2014, 01:02:31 AM

Even during a time of such divisive politics, getting upset with the First Lady for trying to introduce healthier meals into our school system just baffles me with its idiocy.  People are really angry that she wants kids to eat better when child obesity has become an epidemic in this country?  Amazing.  You have to be a special kind of nut job to find that upsetting.

I would agree were it not for that it seems many of the kids would rather not eat than to eat the crap they are trying to feed them. Better they eat less healthy food than to elect to not eat at all.

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Even groups originally in favor of these standards have now turned against them. One of these groups is the School Nutrition Association, which represents school cafeteria workers. Of course, they are in favor of getting kids to eat healthier, but the real problem here is that they have seen many districts losing money as a direct result of these new Michelle Obama initiated standards. The basic fact is that students simply aren’t buying these lunches. I suppose that is a side effect when you make their lunches, “taste like vomit,” according to some actual students.

Since the first round of these new standards first went into effect in 2012, more than 1 million fewer students are eating lunch at school each day. This is stark contrast to decades of steadily increasing participation among students, according to an association spokeswoman. A second round of new rules has just taken effect as of July 1, which even includes new standards for breakfast in schools.

http://downtrend.com/jrc410/michelle-obamas-school-lunches-lead-to-1-million-fewer-kids-eating/
16  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: WAZ 7/3/14 on: July 05, 2014, 12:16:18 AM

Quote from: ATB on July 04, 2014, 12:34:15 PM

Quote from: Rip on July 04, 2014, 01:42:19 AM

I posted this on OO but I guess I should have posted it here as well.

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It's called Shooters Grill and it is located in Rifle, Colo., so naturally, the waitresses pack heat.

The burger joint, about 180 miles west of Denver, embraces the firearms theme with menu items like the "M16 burrito," "Smith & Wesson Grilled Cheese" and "Locked and Loaded Nachos." The salt and pepper shakers are made from shotgun shells. But the biggest Second Amendment statement is in the guns waitresses carry, including the Rueger Blackhawk .357 Ashlee Saenz sports.

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Owner Lauren Boebert, 27, started the trend when she began carrying a pistol shortly after opening the restaurant a year ago.

"I started open-carrying maybe a month after we opened just because I am a woman in business and I was there early hours and late nights," Boebert said. "There was a man beaten to death in the alley behind my restaurant last year. It was very unfortunate."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/02/waitresses-pack-heat-at-colorado-burger-joint/

 High five!


Big difference when it's the establishment doing it rather than the patrons doing it in a place where the establishment has requested people not to.

Either way, walking around a target, wendy's, gas station, whatever visibly armed just to do it has nothing to do with the right to bear arms.  It's just morons trying to show how 'counter culture' they are. That's right. They're the nouveau hipster.

I wasn't talking about the guns. I was talking about the menu items with gun themed names. That is the conservative leaning food items that Zeke was looking for.
17  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: WAZ 7/3/14 on: July 04, 2014, 01:59:05 AM

Quote from: hepcat on July 04, 2014, 01:52:11 AM

All those guns and  not one person was able save a guy from getting beat to death right outside?  So much for the "Waaah, we need 'em to defend ourselves" excuse.   icon_twisted

The way she says it was very unfortunate that perhaps she had beat him to death.

 ninja2
18  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: WAZ 7/3/14 on: July 04, 2014, 01:42:19 AM
I posted this on OO but I guess I should have posted it here as well.

Quote
It's called Shooters Grill and it is located in Rifle, Colo., so naturally, the waitresses pack heat.

The burger joint, about 180 miles west of Denver, embraces the firearms theme with menu items like the "M16 burrito," "Smith & Wesson Grilled Cheese" and "Locked and Loaded Nachos." The salt and pepper shakers are made from shotgun shells. But the biggest Second Amendment statement is in the guns waitresses carry, including the Rueger Blackhawk .357 Ashlee Saenz sports.

Quote
Owner Lauren Boebert, 27, started the trend when she began carrying a pistol shortly after opening the restaurant a year ago.

"I started open-carrying maybe a month after we opened just because I am a woman in business and I was there early hours and late nights," Boebert said. "There was a man beaten to death in the alley behind my restaurant last year. It was very unfortunate."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/07/02/waitresses-pack-heat-at-colorado-burger-joint/

 High five!
19  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: SCOTUS Screws Us Again: Welcome to the Police State! on: June 30, 2014, 10:38:46 PM

Quote from: Ironrod on June 30, 2014, 10:25:48 PM

We need a higher appeals court. Maybe the President can just overturn them with an executive order.

We do, Jesus.

I asked him and he said it was all good. He also said my grass needed a little fertilizer and that I needed more weed-eater string.

 icon_wink
20  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: SCOTUS Screws Us Again: Welcome to the Police State! on: June 30, 2014, 10:12:05 PM
What no liberal tears over the SCOTUS decisions today? Come on guys don't disappoint me.
21  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama seeking 1/2 Billion for Syrian Opposition on: June 30, 2014, 10:09:34 PM

Quote from: hepcat on June 30, 2014, 01:59:01 PM

Quote from: Razgon on June 30, 2014, 10:19:52 AM

*taps mike*

*Mike gets a restraining order*

*Rip restrains Mike and taps him again*

*Rip drops the mike and strikes a pose*
22  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Obama seeking 1/2 Billion for Syrian Opposition on: June 27, 2014, 06:53:09 PM

Quote from: ATB on June 27, 2014, 12:00:42 PM

Quote from: hepcat on June 26, 2014, 09:17:20 PM

should we have stayed out of World War II and NOT acted to prevent Germany from overrunning Europe?  

I'm not sure if there is a rolleyes big enough for this question.  

Admittedly, I have moved more to an isolationist view since Gulf War 2 and the absolute waste of men and materiel that was Iraq and was (is) Afghanistan. I have also moved away from the blind patriotism that I used to have as I've read more about how the US has directly set the table for the mess we're in now and how the government (all three branches) moves more and more into the pocket of the corporations AND abuses (or perhaps ignores is the better word choice) the soldiers who protect our country once they get home (VA).  I also believe that there is a military industrial complex that continually stands to benefit from war/arming our future enemies...

In fact, I've moved so far to the left on the use of America's army as a global police force I wonder how I ever thought the other way.  This should be something that makes you happy, no? Or because it's a Dem in the whitehouse it's okay to warmonger?



Rand Paul has your vote?
23  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Redskins Lose Trademark on: June 24, 2014, 06:05:19 PM

Quote from: ATB on June 24, 2014, 04:18:21 PM

The problem I have with this is that government stepped in and voided a legally granted trademark because it was 'offensive.'



This.
24  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Redskins Lose Trademark on: June 23, 2014, 05:26:24 PM
If I owned the team I would just rename them.

Ladies and gentleman please welcome your Washington Coons.

25  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: June 22, 2014, 02:30:52 PM
Working great for me and I don't know of anyone else reporting problems.
26  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [E3 2012] Watch Dogs on: June 18, 2014, 11:20:31 PM
I always wondered who it was that bought all those cheesy shirts that only someone on vacation should dare wear.


Now I know.
27  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: June 18, 2014, 11:15:15 PM
OO doesn't go down for anyone. We demand you go down for us.
28  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: Redskins Lose Trademark on: June 18, 2014, 11:11:34 PM
and then...

Fighting Irish
Running Rebels
Ragin Cajuns
KC Chiefs
Atlanta Braves
Cleveland Indians
Atlanta Hawks
Chicago Blackhawks
FSU Seminoles


Of course we need to bring about 60 High Schools that have the Redskins name under the thumb of the McLiberalism Junta as well.

Refusing to bow to political correctness are the communists of this age.
29  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [E3 2012] Watch Dogs on: June 01, 2014, 07:25:04 AM
QR mission are kinda fun. Nice mention in an audio file about halving to talk to "the Daves"

Lots of stuff when you watch and listen is hilarious.

One of the Privacy missions earlier today had me watching a guy whack it off. Here I am via the computer camera watching some forty year old dude stroke it. Not many games give you that.   icon_lol
30  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: OO off line for a short time on: May 30, 2014, 07:37:08 AM

Quote from: Enough on May 29, 2014, 05:23:38 PM

Quote from: Miltonite on May 29, 2014, 04:25:03 PM

Quote from: ATB on May 29, 2014, 04:05:48 PM

Quote from: Miltonite on May 29, 2014, 03:59:20 PM

What is a visit to GT without a post in the "OO Offline" thread?

So is this the 73rd time OO has been down?  icon_wink
Not that I recall but who really knows?

I have posted on a few other threads just not many. Here I am almost a true lurker, at OO I am only mostly a lurker.

I think quite of few of us from OO are lurking here regularly even if we don't always post.   ninja

No we aren't.

 ninja
31  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [E3 2012] Watch Dogs on: May 23, 2014, 02:07:34 AM

Quote from: Teggy on May 22, 2014, 05:41:52 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on May 22, 2014, 05:31:47 PM

that's pretty awesome

shouldn't it be 'AN Ubisoft production' not 'A Ubisoft production'?

I believe the proper pronunciation is "yoobeesoft", so no.

youbesoft.

Got it.
32  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: LA Clippers Owner Guy on: May 01, 2014, 07:10:23 AM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on April 29, 2014, 07:36:12 PM

The following comment is not directed at ATB.  To my knowledge, he has never expressed the beliefs referenced below.

I find it fascinating that, when topics like Affirmative Action, the Equal Rights Amendment, the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, or even articles of the Civil Rights Act are raised, Conservatives talk about their boundless faith in how the Invisible Hand of the Free Market would smooth away all forms of social discrimination if only all those burdensome legal protections were out of the way.

When the Very Material Hand of the Free Market comes around and smacks the hell out of some fantastically wealthy guy for spewing such toxic prejudices that there's a huge social and economic backlash, however, suddenly those same Conservatives are vocally upset that there are free market repercussions for his behavior.  "Intolerance of his intolerance is the worst intolerance of all!"

-Autistic Angel

Careful with that big ass brush you are using. I am conservative on a wide number of things. I am however fully supportive of the NBA kicking that douchebag to the curb.

There is no room for those kind of beliefs anymore. If I was involved in a business that he was also involved in I would also want him gone and if he wasn't I would strongly consider leaving the business in protest.
33  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: SCOTUS Screws Us Again: Welcome to the Police State! on: April 29, 2014, 03:23:27 AM

Quote from: Scraper on April 27, 2014, 11:59:26 PM

Quote from: Autistic Angel on April 25, 2014, 08:07:55 PM

Quote from: Scraper on April 25, 2014, 04:56:07 PM

Quote from: ATB on April 25, 2014, 04:19:10 PM

WTF is going on?

Anonymous calls can lead to searches.  This is great!

Again this shouldn't be a shocker when you have a conservative Supreme Court. The only real surprise here is that Scalia spoke out against it so strongly. Especially after he just publicly stated that the 4th amendment is not absolute (when referring to mass data collection).


I don't think either side of the political spectrum can claim the high ground on the issue of domestic espionage any more.  I've been really vocal about about tearing down the "Both Sides Do It" false equivalences we see so often in American politics, but casual erosion of personal privacy rights is something the Democratic and Republican parties both own.

And that's the problem: as a liberal who absolutely abhors this easy-access data mining of innocent civilians, who can I vote for to roll back these powers?  Chris Christie?  Hillary Clinton?  Jeb Bush or Joe Biden?  The only political figure I can even imagine abandoning these tactics is Elizabeth Warren, and there's zero indication she's planning a presidential run.

I'm not a single-issue voter, but all other things being equal, I would vote for any candidate who vowed to curtail these domestic spying programs.  It's right up there with their failure to improve the VA system on my list of the Obama administration's biggest failures.

-Autistic Angel

Rand Paul maybe?

He is my front runner right now.
34  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 05, 2014, 06:56:12 PM

Quote from: kronovan on March 05, 2014, 06:07:51 PM

Quote from: Rip on March 04, 2014, 07:20:18 PM

The Ukranian navy is largely irrelevant. The only major ship they have is an outdated Krivak frigate. The remainder are corvettes, minesweepers and a couple landing craft and a single ancient foxtrot submarine that you would have to have huge balls to even submerge in let alone fight with. The most valuable thing the Ukranian navy has is the bases themselves.

You're missing the point - the prize for Putin isn't some obsolete Ukrainian navy ships, it's the potential tonnage he can bank if he decommissions them and replaces with modern ships. The tonnage restriction on the Black Sea is a real pin the eye for Russia's aspirations for their BSF.  The Russians have even previously made threats to replace a ship for a ship regardless of tonnage differences - acquiring more ships makes that threat that much larger. For sure acquiring other naval ports in Crimea is a boon to to Russia, since Sevastapol is Russia's only warm water naval port. The real importance of those ports though, is  being able to sail the BSF from them and consequently have a year round naval presence in the Mediterranean.  That presence amounts to squat though, if it's pint-sized and made up of outdated ships.

This is true but it also plays with angering NATO and more importantly on this front Turkey who has a great deal of latitude about what goes in and out of the Black Sea. All they need to do is decide they feel threatened and that is the end game. Of course he could try to play hardball with Turkey but there is little doubt that playing this game with Turkey would bring about a military confrontation with NATO, which I doubt he wants.

35  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 05, 2014, 06:06:10 PM

Quote from: hepcat on March 05, 2014, 02:30:37 PM

The shameful way some sections of the conservative movement act, I would have thought you would be pushing your libertarian side far more and downplaying the conservative bent.

Except that foreign policy is the key place I disagree with Libertarians. I love much of the rest of their platforms but as this situation is showing the isolationist approach is just foolhardy. The thugs of the world respect nothing but strength and the world is becoming harder to isolate yourself in more and more. I would be to the right of pretty much every party when it comes to military strength and foreign policy. On the bright side we wouldn't have much of an unemployment problem because we would need all the soldiers we could get our hands on.

In fact I would have told Patton he was clear to gas er up and continue on and to give me a call when he reached Moscow.
36  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 05, 2014, 03:04:44 AM

Quote from: hepcat on March 05, 2014, 02:30:39 AM

The way you're treated in R&P by most folks there makes my disagreements with you positively friendly, my boy.  I took a break on my own accord after realizing a few folks were getting under my skin.  You weren't one of them though.  

P.S.  Your wording is a bit off there.  Unless I'm multiple people and I'm not aware of it..   icon_wink

So say you. You know how many people you are.   Tongue

I tend to invite aggressive disagreement. I have no ability to sugarcoat my positions, my strategy for making sure I am never drafted into be Secretary of State. Tis the price a conservtive pays for pissing in the cereal of liberals both there and here. If I wanted a bunch of people to lend support to my opinions I would find a church to go to. Of course you guys have poisoned me so much that I would likely even get their feathers all ruffled up.   nod
37  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 05, 2014, 12:41:55 AM

Quote from: hepcat on March 04, 2014, 07:50:14 PM

Got shouted down at OO again, eh?   Tongue

Not hardly, I am posting over there more profusely than here. Although there is certainly far less people trying to shout people down since I haven't seen you there in awhile? Coincidence?
38  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 04, 2014, 07:48:22 PM
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The security situation in Crimea has civilians worried for their safety. “People are scared of armed people and [concerned] over military troops in the city,” Vdovichenko said.

Vdovichenko believes a majority of people in Crimea want the region to remain part of the Ukraine, but many are afraid to voice their opinions.

“We are scared to say we want to be a part of the Ukraine," Vdovichenko said. "Demonstrators who are pro-Russia are free to say that, but we are not.”

Those supporting Ukrainian nationalism and culture risk being bullied by those backing Moscow.

“If I am in the center of my city and I carry a Ukrainian flag or I’m going to speak Ukrainian on my phone for example … they [pro-Russians] will try to stop me,” Vdovichenko said.

Vdovichenko has participated in demonstrations in Crimea, but acknowledges doing so comes with a risk to her safety. She hopes the Russian troops will leave soon.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/04/witness-in-crimea-scared-to-say-support-ukraine/

So while there may be a substantial number of people in Crimea who support the Ukranian government and want the Russians to leave don't expect to see them marching in the streets and talking to reporters, wisely so I would suggest. I would even go so far as to say any referendum that happens while armed Russian soldiers are controlling everything are very unlikely to actually be representative of the true desires of the local people.
39  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 04, 2014, 07:28:15 PM

Quote from: hepcat on March 04, 2014, 07:19:52 PM

From more than a few news reports it would seem the Russian speaking citizens of Crimea have always identified more with Russia than they have Europe though.  Thus the relatively violence free incursion at the moment.

Identify with != want to rejoin Russia.
40  Non-Gaming / Political / Religious Nonsense / Re: [Ukraine] Crimea River on: March 04, 2014, 07:26:50 PM

Quote from: hepcat on March 04, 2014, 07:19:52 PM

From more than a few news reports it would seem the Russian speaking citizens of Crimea have always identified more with Russia than they have Europe though.  Thus the relatively violence free incursion at the moment.

I wouldn't put too much into the lack of violence. Form a post by paulbaxter over at OO.

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This is from a friend in the state dept who is working in Kiev now. FWIW.

The Kiev International Institute for Sociology has been measuring ethnic and national sentiments in Ukraine for a long time. They just did a study on the opinions of Ukrainian regions (states, provinces) about uniting with Russia. Even "Pro-Russian" Crimea came in at only 41%, by far the highest response.

Here are the full results:

According to the latest public opinion survey conducted by KMIS between February 8 and 18, the number of people supporting joining Russia is under 26% in all macro-regions.

West 0,7%, Center 5,4%, South - 19,4%, East - 26%.

Oblast data has a large margin of error, but the number of those who support joining Russia is the following:

Crimea 41%
Donetsk Oblast 33,2%
Luhansk 24,1%
Odesa 24%
Zaporizhzhya 16,7%
Kharkiv 15,1%
Chernihiv 14,8%
Dnipropetrovks 13,8%
Kirovohrad 8,3%
Kyiv Oblast 6,4%
Chernivtsi 5,4%
Kyiv city 5,3%
Zhytomyr 5,2%
Poltava 4,3%
Kherson 4,2%
Mykolayiv 3,7%
Vinnytsya 2,7%
Zakarpattya 2%
Sumy 1,8%
Cherkasy 1,7%
Khmelnytskiy 0%
Ternopil 0%
Rivne 0%
Lviv 0%
Volyn 0%
Ivano-Frankivsk 0%

While I have no idea just what the error factor in these number are they are certainly not just fabricated.
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