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81  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie] Superman: Man of Steel on: June 26, 2013, 07:32:52 AM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 25, 2013, 10:06:54 PM

Quote from: Rowdy on June 25, 2013, 04:09:08 PM

This is awesome and sums up so many of the thoughts I was having while watching the movie.  So much of it didn't make sense!

Good god, yes.  That hits so many nails on the head, but this bit in particular is the biggest issue with this reboot:

Zod:...“Dark and tortured” and “Superman” never belong in the same sentence, unless that sentence is “Superman met his dark and tortured friend Batman for coffee.”

Superman: That’s not fair! People love Batman, and he’s dark and tortured. So why is it bad for me to do the same thing?

Zod: Because that’s the exact antithesis to what Superman is supposed to be. He’s supposed to be better than us, to inspire us, to not make the same stupid mistakes humans do. He’s supposed to have every reason to be dark and tortured, given his origin and the evil he’s seen, but he never loses his hope and optimism — not just for himself, but for the entire human race!

Also, it brought up another thing that occurred to me:

Spoiler for Hiden:
The solution to the villain plot is literally deus ex machina.  God in the machine.  The god-like Kryptonian who is an AI in the ship gives the way to defeat Zod to the human.

Its no wonder you didnt enjoy it if all that stuff is going through your mind, normally i sit down with a note pad jotting down all my thoughts, pulling the film apart etc etc, rdeally adds to my enjoyment  drool
82  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 25, 2013, 07:51:25 AM
About the market place comparison. The fact they are not like for like is not relevant as they are all i have to shop in. Its not like there are other choices for me or you or anyone else at present.

And the way MS were going they would have been even less choice at the start, not necessarily a good thing.

Small steps is what is needed at present, but maybe the fact these consoles may be around for 7 years makes small steps a harder choice whereas on PC its simpler as they are upgradeable.

83  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 25, 2013, 07:33:49 AM

Quote from: morlac on June 24, 2013, 10:47:58 PM

Quote from: Purge on June 24, 2013, 01:31:25 PM

Ha ha. Lost. I see what you did.

Your argument lacks any real info, since, you know, there is none. You're comparing a digital-only distribution model where costs are drastically different on PC, where the digital market has matured and is competing with itself (Steam, GMG, Origin, MS Store, GOG, etc...). To not expect similar as time passes in the console world seems near-sighted.

You must be blinded by your snarkiness.  Here is what he said  "Looking at the current set up of PC, Xbox and PS its only the PC that has agressive pricing from the off, cheap deals on day one, massive reductions after a few months as well as weekly and daily sales across multiple retailers and etailers. A open platform with lots of choice."  
Seems pretty straight forward and he's right the PC platform has great sales from both retailers and etailers from a games launch until they practically give it away a year later.  Pc games have been like that even before digital distribution took off.  Now not to the extend of some of these digital sales but I have been hunting and succeeding at finding great deals on PC games for the past 15+ years.  Expecting for console games to suddenly be discounted like PC games because of digital distribution is not a guarantee when their entire history of pricing says otherwise.  He's not being near-sighted at all, I would say the exact opposite and there are years of "info" to back up his thinking.

Quote from: Purge on June 24, 2013, 01:31:25 PM

It's been covered above - deals aren't where Steam started - but it's sure given them a leg up since, and it's plainly obvious. Since:
Correct but not sure anyone said different?

Quote from: Purge on June 24, 2013, 01:31:25 PM

A) PSN offers free games
No they don't, unless you mean DC universe and games of that ilk?  PSN + cost money

Quote from: Purge on June 24, 2013, 01:31:25 PM

B) MS is competing with Sony
Got that right

Quote from: Purge on June 24, 2013, 01:31:25 PM

C) both may end up competing with Ouya / Steam Box

They would be stupid not to add value in terms of sales and deals (which they do now for their gold members and have been doing so for at least all of 2013).

They would be (those gold member {and PS+}discounts for the most part suck compared to used pricing of the same games and are pretty limited, though i have dipped my toes in once or twice)

Reemul made some really good points, it's a shame you didn't bother to read them.  Hopefully the above spells it out a little more clearly.  

Thanks for that. I am not trying to annoy / wind up / piss off anybody, i am as much a gamer as anyone, i have owned pretty much every console since my zx81 and love gaming and like i mentioned own a wii u, 360 and ps3 along with a gaming pc.

I will have no issue if future gaming on consoles goes down the PC steam route as long as the pricing and everything else is similar to it. I personally dont think it will happen. Its more like the EU wil get to grip with digital resales in law and we will end up with a different market place.

The thing with saying i am short sighted is i am living in the now not the next year and that is more relevant now especially based on buying in to a new system that you could invest in for the next 5 years +. Its no good saying i hope this happens or that changes, you need to go on what you know now as well as what has happened previously. Guessing the future is too hit and miss for me

84  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 24, 2013, 08:22:31 AM

Quote from: Purge on June 23, 2013, 06:56:12 PM

Quote from: Hetz on June 23, 2013, 06:18:26 PM

Yep, I am the same way. I barely ever buy anything on the PC anymore....unless its on a Steam sale or something. The last game on the PC that I bought full price was Diablo 3. I don't even remember what the last game was before was a long time ago.

Having the Xbox One go down the same road as Steam with virtually none of the upside (major sales) was just a no-go for me. Now, it's a maybe next year....depending on people's reactions to it and how it compares overall to the PS4, once it has been out a few months.

You lost me there. Was there an announcement of no sales? I'm not saying they will, but I also don't think you get to make that assumption (yet).

From reading Mattrick's statement (and the MS employee one) it sounds like they're still moving forward with digital content for full games - its just that disk-based games (at the onset) will not qualify to be included in that model.

It really wouldn't surprise me to see that they start releasing "install only" disks at a lower price to compete with the disk license version.

It's still too early to tell, but I simply think this compromise is due to Sony not pushing in the same direction, so this is the short side of the wedge.

Sorry you got lost, maybe this will help find you. Looking at the current set up of PC, Xbox and PS its only the PC that has agressive pricing from the off, cheap deals on day one, massive reductions after a few months as well as weekly and daily sales across multiple retailers and etailers. A open platform with lots of choice.

There are sales for the consoles but they dont happen that often and at times the reductions are minimal. Now there could be sales like the PC but at present there is absolutely nothing to indicate that will happen and when you look at MS and Sony what you actually see a single marketplace wanting to control pricce and the service, which does not encourage market competition, price competition and Especially deep discounts.

Too me it feels like whistling in the wind to expect consoles to price and compete like the PC, if it does i'll be more than happy but until it does i am happy with the old model of buy and trade but will purchase dgital only as long as the price is right and at present unlike Steam that is not there.

85  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 23, 2013, 05:22:42 PM

Quote from: msduncan on June 23, 2013, 03:27:10 PM

Quote from: YellowKing on June 23, 2013, 02:34:14 PM

While I agree a Steam-like service on consoles is inevitable, I don't think comparing Steam to Xbox DRM is apples to apples.

For starters, PCs have traditionally been online since the early 90s, and consoles made the jump about a decade later. There's a long history of consoles being offline units, whereas the PC - being a multi-function device - pretty much stayed connected once Internet connectivity became widely available. In other words, in the past decade, offline consoles are common, but an offline PC is almost unheard of. The point being, consumer acceptance of "always on" was much more mature with PCs than consoles when Steam came out.

I'd also argue the market between PC and console games was very different. Console games have always had a robust used game market. PC games have not. Because of this, there has traditionally been a incentive in the console realm to have physical media for reselling, whereas in the PC realm that incentive is not nearly as strong.

Finally there's piracy, which has always been much more rampant among PC games. Publishers needed DRM, but had a strong incentive to give value to the customer in exchange (otherwise they'd just continue to pirate). This added value came in the form of cheaper games, community and social features, automatic updating, a cloud-based library, and more. Console game piracy is not nearly on the same level (due to the difficulty in having to mod hardware), so the incentive to give customers more value is simply not there.

In short, a lot of factors converged to make Steam a success. These factors don't yet exist in the same quantities on the console side to make online DRM a success - hence all the pushback. I think we will get there eventually, but it needs to arise out of natural market forces and not because Microsoft says so.

Also, I don't remember being given an opportunity to fight back against Steam as a consumer.    I remember vividly suddenly losing the ability to resell my PC games and getting upset about it.    Steam came soon after.    Result on this consumer?    I switched to consoles for the most part, and only bought PC games where it made more sense (MMOs, etc).    The entire reason I switched to console from PC was to be able to resell my games.

So here we are in the age of PS3 and 360.     duncan's averages:

1)  PC Games are one every several months except indie titles and extremely heavy discounted titles.
2.  Console games are several per month, funded by selling titles I have already played through or decided I'm not going to finish.

This is almost mirror of what I was doing before I realized I could no longer sell my PC games.

Like everything in life has good and bad points. PC at the birth of steam was on it's way regardless. Shops were not stocking the stuff, piracy was rampant, cracks were day 1 for all games.Piracy was so simple and widespread. The whole way it was working was not making much money for anyone especially stores or publishers. We moved to weird DRM like Star Force that made things worse for the consumer and did nothing for sales.

Steam in a way revitalised PC gaming (To add we already had seriel keys that meant half the time you couldnt trade in anyways). Indies are now well providied for (has taken a while) and prices in the UK are so low to be really not an issue you cannot sell them on. At some point there is a threshhold and Steam and other Digital sites have found that level. Not paying more than £17.99 for a day one release and having games hit £10-£15 within a few weeks is great. Sure I cant sell them on but even if I had could how much would they really be worth, it would be a re enactment of the $5 gamestop rip off. If you told me I could resell them but had to pay £40 for them like consoles I just have much less of an interest. I own a Wii U, 360 and PS3 but the only games I get for them are console exclusives that I really want, if it's a pc game it just doesn't ever get a look in just because of the price difference. Fifa 13 £40 pc £10. One I can trade in the other I can't.

Now if Steam hit £40 as well I would just spend less, play less or even maybe watch a bit more tv. At some point I believe you will be able to resell or trade on digital purchases, the EU will force this on them at some point but once again the value will make it negligible, I mean $1 for Alan Wakes means it's worth how much, Like everything in life it's about value to the buyer and for me I feel I get great value from my Steam service not just in the whole steam package but also in value for money.

For others things may be different but at present I am not unhappy with the service I get or the price I pay for PC gaming, the same cannot be said for the whole console service except maybe PSN+.
86  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 23, 2013, 05:10:38 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on June 23, 2013, 04:13:14 PM

Quote from: Reemul on June 22, 2013, 05:32:54 PM

I'm still not understanding why MS didn't offer the always online as an additional option for those that are happy to do it. I mean offline for those that have no interest and online all the time for those of us that are happy with it, especially from the digital side. Then monitor the take and make special offers for the digital side just like Steam to attract more people rather than just saying here suck it up. I mean Steam at teh start stunk as well and most games were still disc based, don't run before you can walk springs to mind.

because the whole point was that if it's required, then every single xbox game can be designed as if that's guaranteed.  It's similar to how having a 360 with no HDD available meant that games had to be designed to work with or without one which held back the features of certain games.  Once you have an option available missing a feature, developers will cater to the lowest common denominator of features to avoid missing customers.  Same reason that the Kinect is now on every model.  They release one model without it, and all of a sudden developers will shun making stuff with Kinect features.   Developers can still ignore the Kinect or internet connectivity, but they aren't being forced to.  More people 'win' in this scenario, but people are being stubborn.

The whole fact they could turn it off that easily means they can turn it back on as well. Having it for Digital purchases and encouraging that as a business offer could be made to work. As I say small steps over time become big ones, a massive stride overnight was always going to get a backlash.
87  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 23, 2013, 09:04:39 AM
Yeah but the whole family thing and all the other stuff they were spouting about needing to be online for, they could still offer all that to those who are happy with it and liek Steam it would gradually come to be excepted
88  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 22, 2013, 05:32:54 PM
I'm still not understanding why MS didn't offer the always online as an additional option for those that are happy to do it. I mean offline for those that have no interest and online all the time for those of us that are happy with it, especially from the digital side. Then monitor the take and make special offers for the digital side just like Steam to attract more people rather than just saying here suck it up. I mean Steam at teh start stunk as well and most games were still disc based, don't run before you can walk springs to mind.
89  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie] Superman: Man of Steel on: June 22, 2013, 10:09:46 AM
The above analysis is just too much for me. I dont g to films like this to analyse and compare. i just got to be entertained.

It's like the shows that show all the stuff that is wrong like he's wearing a watch in a 1066 film. Big plot holes and why does his farther act like he does, well that's how the writeer has invisiged it and I have no problem with it. While I may not have done it that way he did and well it works ok.

It's a really enjoyable popcorn flick featuring aman who can fly and an alien invasion.
90  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 18, 2013, 08:07:17 AM

Quote from: Razgon on June 18, 2013, 06:58:51 AM

Quote from: th'FOOL on June 18, 2013, 06:55:21 AM

Quote from: Razgon on June 18, 2013, 06:52:11 AM

Well, Id say the big difference is, that it is not countries we are talking about, here several states, in the Homeland of Xbox, that it won't launch in. Its fine that there are countries that won't have access to it from the start, thats to be expected - But states in the US? Thats a shocker - to me at least!

You realize that's a joke, right?

Eh..well...have a nice day everyone! I'm off again!!

Lol, still missing half of Europe is madness.
91  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 17, 2013, 05:52:53 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on June 17, 2013, 05:02:49 PM

bwuh?  I've been fairly level headed, even making fun of MS because it's fun.  Honestly, outside some humorous attempts at discussion I probably care more about what Syrians think of my new crocs (they are quite fabulous) than what people think about the Xbone around here.

now Razgon, well I'd be careful with him because he may send a poisoned pastry your way, and we all know you cannot say know to flaky pastry goodness.

Well Raz is Danish, a Danish is a cake (pastry) so I'm sure all Danish people can make them, probably experts in the art of pastry making,  Tongue

Raz is cool, he just passionate about his gaming and he knows what he likes and sometimes he deserves a wind up or trolling just because slywink
92  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] The Last Of Us on: June 17, 2013, 04:11:38 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 17, 2013, 04:09:38 PM

Quote from: TiLT on June 17, 2013, 03:33:35 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 17, 2013, 03:19:42 PM

See, it's stuff like that last line there that people take as insulting.


How on earth could anyone take that as insulting? I said that reviewers seem to agree that the game works for them, and it works for me as well. If you're thinking that what I was saying was some kind of passive-aggressive version of "you don't agree with the reviewers, so you're wrong", you're really stretching it. I was talking about MY experience as compared to the reviewers, not yours.

If I want to insult you I'm going to be obvious about it. I'm not one to shy away from confrontation. If someone annoys me I'll either ignore them or let them know. I won't subtly hint about it. So if I say something that could possibly be read as an insult under the right conditions, assume that I'm not even aware of the possibility that it could be interpreted that way.

Are you playing on Normal or Hard? I'm not great at games and am playing on easy level specifically to avoid these issues

I guess the point is, TiLT, that people frequently find you to be insulting, and you either don't care or aren't aware of it.  So maybe you should take a look at how you phrase things, instead of putting the blame on everyone else.

Quote from: msduncan on June 17, 2013, 03:39:28 PM

He's not doing a good enough job at being insulting.

I think you bat s*** insane contrarians will find anything you can to rip a game that is getting universal acclaim just so that you can tout your intellectual and gaming superiory the same way dim witted blue collar workers like to swing their genitalia around to display their self delusional sense of dominance.

And Sony rulez Microsoft drools.

I think you're trying to be funny?  But I certainly am not trying to insult a popular game just to do it.  In fact, I find it frustrating that a game I am otherwise really loving hits these speed bumps where I am forced into combat and dread it.  Not dread it in the sense of, ooh, zombies, how immersive, but dread in the sense of, ugh, this is another frustrating game moment.  It's the opposite of immersive at that point.

And the game is so good at being immersive at all other times, that it just drives the frustration home all the more.

What level are you playing on, I am playing on easy specifically to avoid these issues including aim help as well, im just crap with a joypad unless its car games
93  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] The Last Of Us on: June 17, 2013, 04:10:39 PM

Quote from: msduncan on June 17, 2013, 03:39:28 PM

He's not doing a good enough job at being insulting.

I think you bat s*** insane contrarians will find anything you can to rip a game that is getting universal acclaim just so that you can tout your intellectual and gaming superiory the same way dim witted blue collar workers like to swing their genitalia around to display their self delusional sense of dominance.

And Sony rulez Microsoft drools.

Can I use this comment whenever I need to slywink
94  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] The Last Of Us on: June 17, 2013, 09:21:47 AM

Quote from: Razgon on June 17, 2013, 09:11:56 AM

And you are sounding like a broken record as well with the room for both things, and so what ? This is about me trying out the game, and commenting on my experiences? Why are you so mad about me or others not liking the game? Go for the ball, not the man. Its getting ugly.

Actually, if you read what I wrote, its nothing like my initial complaints before I got the game, but hey, whatever floats your boat, I guess.

edit: I also did not write anything about the game here, if you'll notice. I don't write as if I expect people to read my posts on both forums either.

Not really, you stated you would not be buying this game,  said thanks to Tom for his review and you agreed with it, and yet you still bought it and its exactly as it was said to be and you dont like it. Which generally is fine, but you already said you werent buying because of the issues with fighting etc etc and still bought it. IMO you lose the bitching card because you knew it all ahead of buying it.

I mean did you think your copy was going to be magically different, maybe you were getting the State of Decay version of The Last of Us, lol

No really i am just winding you up, and you deserve it for buying it you muppet, you knew you wouldn't like it but couldn't help yourself icon_lol
95  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 17, 2013, 09:13:52 AM

Quote from: Razgon on June 17, 2013, 07:13:49 AM

I was about to sugges that Kato was being silly with him feeling that GT had console wars, but man - Can we tone it down just a notch? The rhetoric is getting ugly and its really between just a few select people and its not pretty.

Edit: To clarify briefly - Its getting too personal.

Only if you promise to stop whinging about that game you bought you said you wouldn't because it was crap and bought anyways and think is crap  icon_biggrin
96  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] The Last Of Us on: June 17, 2013, 09:07:55 AM

Quote from: Razgon on June 17, 2013, 06:15:37 AM

First 15 minutes of this game were pretty good and rather fun - Or rather, best opening I've seen in a game until now. Then the actual gameplay started, and it all went rapidly downhill from there.

As others have noted, the combat is horrible - And please dont start about its just us not understanding the game or playing it correctly. Its not very well implemented, and frankly, is somewhat boring. So far the brick is the ultimate weapon and bottles means instant stealth is my experience. I think that Turtle is right though, in that its engine limitations. The details and the environment are very nicely done and probably some of the most interesting I've seen.

The game feels more like a Hollywood set though, than a real world for some reason - Perhaps its the uncanny valley effect? We are getting closer to real life so that one notices how unreal it looks?

All in all, I don't have much fun with the game but thats probably more me than the game. I don't understand all the 100's and 95's though - The game has a lot of issues, but the more I think about it, the more its probably because how good it looks, meaning errors are looking more out of place.

I cannt help though but sneak in a little advertising that State of Decay features gameplay that I like a LOT more, but of course a lot uglier, and it just got an update ;-)

Anyways - I'm sure if you liked the Uncharted games, this will be right up your alley!

I have to say you are starting to sound like a broken record. You went on before the game was out about the issues, Tom reviewed it and you said you were never buying it because of all of the above. Then you went out and bought it anyways and continue to complain about the same things you complained about before buying it and after buying it knowing exactly what it was like  crybaby

I hate romantic comedies, wont watch then and if i did i wouldnt bother bitching that its a romantic comedy when i watched it having said i never would watch it. You are your own worse enemy, it was perfectly clear what the game was like and still you go on about it.  saywhat

97  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: So we're having twins on: June 16, 2013, 04:56:27 PM

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 16, 2013, 04:36:44 PM

Quote from: Gratch on June 16, 2013, 04:22:36 PM

Thanks all.  smile

Brought them home yesterday and had our first night under our own roof.  I'm honestly starting to get a little concerned about how I'm simply going to function on a day-to-day basis only getting 2 hours of sleep.   icon_confused

Somehow it all comes together.

But try to get them on a schedule.  There are all kinds of ways to do this, but it all boils down to a) making the feedings happen at regular times and 2) (and this is the hard part) keeping them awake after the feeding.

It seems impossible at first, but everyone I know who did this had their kids sleeping through the night just a few months in.  It makes for a well-adjusted kid down the road, too, supposedly, though mine is right on the cusp of tween-girl hell, so we'll see.

While I agree with this, I have 2 kids, both go to bed and have identical routines and sleeping for the first 6 years was hell and only the last 6 months has it been better, if you call one of us having to get up at 6am every morning.

My eldest never slept more than 3 hours in one go until he was 3 regardless of what we tried. My youngest who is now 3 slept fine for 18 months then spent a year refusing to sleep.

Now they both go to sleep at 7am and both wake up at 6am every day 7 days a week. If they go to bed later they wake up at the same time and are just grumpier, the later the grumpier. It's only in the last 6 months we have started to go to bed at 11pm again, at one stage we were going at 9pm because it was shift sleeping. Both my kids are happy healthy and very intelligent, but that seems to be the issue, way too clever and way too interested in everything. Both stopped sleeping in the day by the age of 1 as well so not even any breaks in the day. The eldest is working to 2 years ahead of his age group on reading and maths, Aidan at 3 is on the same level as Jack was at 3 so all good on that front but sleeping, they are bloody rubbish.

To add I am a really bad sleeper, I wake at least 3 times every night, normally it's an I am awake whats the time and then back to sleep. Add this to 6am starts every day and 3 or 4 6 hour sleeps a week on top of work can knacker you out quickly.

To add we have lots of friends with kids that sleep amazingly well but just as many who have kids that don't. A large part of it is just how your kids are and I hope you are lucky.
98  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [movie] Superman: Man of Steel on: June 16, 2013, 01:08:56 PM

Quote from: th'FOOL on June 15, 2013, 02:14:44 AM

Just got out of it and I thought it was INCREDIBLE. Way better than I expected or hoped it to be. I really don't understand the hate or tepidness of some of the responses I'm seeing online.

Just got back from seeing it, agree with the above.
99  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] The Last Of Us on: June 15, 2013, 07:59:30 AM

Quote from: naednek on June 15, 2013, 05:06:21 AM

holy shit what an intro.

And playing in pitch dark using surround sound headphones is not the greatest idea I've had

Cross  post of what happened in my first 5 minutes of play time.

Well I had a 30 minute gap before the kids got in from football club and had a bit of a thingy while playing Last of Us.

I shut the curtains and started the game, got 5 minutes in and then something happened, my pc is against the patio doors and there came a massive bang on the door scaring the crap outta me just as something similar was happening in game. Bloody eldest had sneaked round the back and was banging on the door to scare me, little did he know how much it would. Palpatations for about 5 minutes. Hope i don't get nightmares
100  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Next gen purchase poll on: June 14, 2013, 03:27:14 PM
I pre ordered a PS4 today. Wife wasnt impressed but son was.  ninja
101  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 14, 2013, 10:02:44 AM
The whole entertainment centre while commendable and may work in the US looks like it may struggle in the st of the world.

With stuff like the BBC and no adverts, commercial television, sky, virgin, free view, free view hd and so on its a long and complicated list. It just looks like it ends up being a not happening. So if you boil it down to a games console it is way behind the PS4.

I mean half of europe isnt even going to be available at launch. Poland, Portugal, Malta, Cyprus and so on. My dad lived in cyprus and bought a PS3 at 65 to use as a blu ray and media player along with his pc.

As a retail and now business manager some of their decisions seem like madness. Its almost like no one has stood up to be counted and said this is madness, why are we doing this. It reminds me of an episode on tv about a bakers in the uk called Greggs. They were opening a new cafe style shop and in the upper management meeting they were discussing strategy and the top bod said to save cost no plates or knives and forks. There was silence from the room. You could tell everyone was thinking WTF but said nothing. On opening day the amount of complaints about no plates or cutlery was astronomical and it en ded up being changed when in reality it should have been challenged when suggested.

102  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Orbis. aka PlayStation 4? The rumors begin. on: June 14, 2013, 09:46:57 AM
Just pre ordered in the uk. The Game was saying the PS4 is pre ordering like hot cakes but not the Xbone.
103  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] The Last Of Us on: June 13, 2013, 11:31:13 AM

Quote from: Razgon on June 13, 2013, 08:07:36 AM

Quote from: Razgon on June 10, 2013, 07:09:20 AM

Quote from: davidrobots on June 05, 2013, 02:27:51 PM

Thanks for the review!

Would it be fair to say, that this is the same kind of game as Uncharted and Tomb Raider? As in great story, lots of action, but very scripted all the way through?

Well, after seeing Tom's review at Qt3 and reading about the game a few other places, I can tell this is just a carrousel ride and the game itself features very little of what I want. Its a linear shooter with a great story and annoying gamebits. I'd be a lot more interested in gameplay, as in how State of Decay does things, than this. I'm out!

Yeah but you have games like State of Decay for that. There is room for games like these as well, you say it as if it should be something else instead when it shouldn't. Sure its not for you but I dont want them to stop making games like these for those of us that do want them.

I am looking forward to it, sometime i find a nice linear games asier to play and enjoy especially after playing the more open world style games.
104  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: So we're having twins on: June 12, 2013, 10:24:18 AM
Grats, now put one in a PS4 hat and the other in an Xbox1 hat, go on  icon_twisted
105  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 12, 2013, 10:12:49 AM

Quote from: TiLT on June 12, 2013, 09:02:43 AM

Quote from: Soulchilde on June 12, 2013, 08:59:38 AM

My normal gaming crew are leaning Xbox..    crybaby

I can't even imagine the thought processes needed to favor the Xbox One at this point. That decision is completely alien to me.

Me neither, but it does show how people can be so caught up in what they already own and have zero interest in looking at anything different.

Brand loyalty is a massive thing, i worked in retail for 20 yyears and the number of people who would not try something different if what they wanted was out of stock was amazing, it was like evrything else was just crap.
106  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: E3 2013 - Sony up later. on: June 10, 2013, 08:10:09 PM

Quote from: CeeKay on June 10, 2013, 08:06:49 PM


You missed a bit

107  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: E3 2013 - Microsoft is up first! on: June 10, 2013, 05:41:45 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on June 10, 2013, 05:37:55 PM

Good thing people left all these machine guns laying on the street when the zombie apocalypse began!

I sure hope you guys are right about this being a timed exclusive, but if this is an XBone exclusive, it's possibly the first system seller on the list for me.  Looks awesome.

This is where all the rage from the last XBone announcement can easily melt away.  Make amazing games and nobody will care about the rest.

I can't agree, there will be more people not getting the console due to the shitty bits than ever chose not to get an Xbox 360 and that is not a healthy proposition for any business.

108  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (06/10) on: June 10, 2013, 01:43:28 PM

Quote from: Razgon on June 10, 2013, 06:46:16 AM

*maybe* The Last of US, since I hear that it has the same type of gameplay as State of Decay and if thats true, it would be awesome!

Read it again, Tom said it gives you the same emotional feedback as SoD not the same gameplay, a bit like horror movies can scare you even though one is about sharks and another about a dead person invading your dreams.

You need to stick to exporting bacon Raz slywink
109  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Weekend Playlist - 06/07/13 on: June 07, 2013, 05:34:25 PM
Off to a wedding so limited time but maybe some Dishonoured
110  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 07, 2013, 05:26:29 PM

Quote from: ATB on June 07, 2013, 03:07:53 PM

You can't resell PC games (usually) especially those on steam. Why is this a must have for consoles?

Just asking.  I used to keep all my games. Now I sell 90% of them. That said, I don't buy that many so it's not that big of a deal for me.

Because and this get said again and again, the price difference. I don't mind paying 50% less than the shop price and not having to be able to resell. A game costs £3, £5, £10, £15 and so on. At present console games cost £40 new and some stay that way for ever. I don't buy a new PC game for more than £20 these days and waiting just a few weeks normally brings the price closer to £15, who cares if I can't resell it when it's a good price, it also encourages me to try stuff I may not as it's a good price. People spending top dollar with no resell could become very careful about what they buy.

Now on friday I want to buy The Last of Us it will cost £40-£50. I offset this by selling a couple of other console games bringing the price down to say £20. A reasonable price for a day one release. If I can't do this I will not buy the game.

There are many places to buy Steam codes and many with offiers on daily/weekly. There is plenty of competition to drive prices down, you rarely here that Steam is too expensive any more because many don't actually buy from steam itself but from other digital sellers at much more attractive prices. This will again not happen with consoles, it is already difficult to buy a console game in the UK. I have one in town store Game which is a premium price or a food retailer out of town. Online it's just PSN or MS to buy from. Now if this changes prices may come down but lack of competition normally drive prices up not down.

Also say I buy Last of Us and for some reason I don't like it, I will get 85% of my money back during the first couple of weeks, so while I may spend £45 I can at least get £35 back which is a £10 loss but no trading equals a £45 loss equals no taking chances on stuff.

Edit to add I never understood people that boguht a game, played it for 10 hours, is never likely to play it again and just lets it get dusty on a shelf. I mean sell it, get value back, by the time you may want to play it again you can pick it up for a dirt cheap price second hand, even better if you bought dlc or a special edition you dont need to re buy that edition you just need the disc to run the game. I did this with my book collection but when i got to 12,000 books I realised i was just being dumb, never enough time to re read them again on top of all the new books coming out, So I sold them and took a year off work with the proceeds( i did keep 500 odd but regret that now as they just sit stored in my garage)
111  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 07, 2013, 01:04:01 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on June 07, 2013, 12:19:46 PM

Quote from: TiLT on June 07, 2013, 04:35:04 AM

As much as I'd love to see Sony do the complete opposite of Microsoft with this, I'm starting to doubt they will. I suspect all of this is a result of pressure from publishers. Remember when Microsoft made the 360 and wanted all multiplayer games to run through Microsoft's servers? EA said that all their games should run through their own servers, and that if Microsoft didn't allow it the 360 wouldn't have any EA games, period. As a result, EA was given an exception from the rule, with the result that EA's been closing MP servers all the way through this generation.

In short, publishers have a lot of might in the current climate. Even if Sony really wants to cultivate a console platform where everyone can publish, the real publishers will still be holding all their cards. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that EA, Activision and Ubisoft, if nobody else, have presented an ultimatum to the console manufacturers: Let us prevent resales, or you won't see any of our games on your console.

So I honestly don't think Sony is going to get out of this in any better shape, technically. They're doing a better job with PR though.

Here the thing I haven't seen mention if MS is doing this and Sony doesn't I have to imagine all the big publishers will just give MS exclusive games or content because of the  DRM protection.   I would be surprised if Sony doesn't have a similar system in place

Well obviously Nintendo with the Wii U doesnt have this option so anything released will differ from MS, surely Sony can go that route as well, unless that's why the Wii U is not getting much publisher support along with poor sales, no online drm could be holding them back as well.
112  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 07, 2013, 12:06:25 PM

Quote from: JCC on June 07, 2013, 11:33:55 AM

I borrowed games from a friend which accounted for about 90% of my gaming on the 360. MS says loaning games is not supported at launch, but they are thinking about it.... I do not expect Sony to be significantly different with their DRM system. As I noted before, this will move me to pc gaming almost exclusively where prices drop much more quickly and farther. I will be a very late (if ever) adopter of the Xbone or ps4 (if ever) and I definitely won't own both like I did this gen.

If Nintendo would release some games I care about, then I would be all over their crummy system where at least I own the products I pay for...

It does make you wonder if some of the lack of support for the Wii U is because it doesn't have this type of set up.
113  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: E3 2013 on: June 04, 2013, 11:40:56 AM
 22 games on that list 12 have a 2 or higher next to them. 3 could have a number or are in the same universe as a previous game. Not a lot that looks that new and fresh.

Hopefully with a new a new gen coming we may get a few more looks at new stuff rather than sequels as well.

T add some of the numbers ar up to 5 already yet having not played many of them at 3 or 4 im not getting excited over them as an old jaded gamer i want some new blood please.
114  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: June 01, 2013, 08:32:31 AM

Quote from: pr0ner on May 31, 2013, 10:58:51 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on May 31, 2013, 03:03:44 PM

Microsoft-keep your Xbox 360 if you want to play XBLA games

gee thanks for the tip Microsoft Roll Eyes
"The box is not backward compatible and we think for somebody who invests in a large digital library that you want to keep your [Xbox 360]."

we knew this anyway...just how he says it,tosser Tongue

I personally if i "invested in a large digital library" would want that library to transfer over...but thats me,and i know we have been over this before in this thread finger

And Sony is awesome because your PSN games from your PS3 will be playable on your PS4.

Oh, wait a minute, they won't be.

You put that in like it makes it ok then. But no it isnt really it just means tehy both suck doesnt it.

Really this point blank defense of either M$ or Sony is going to get bloody boring if we cant put a block on it I can see forums in general being a real hell hole to visit.
115  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: May 30, 2013, 07:30:57 PM

Quote from: Turtle on May 30, 2013, 07:03:55 PM

If Purge and ATB's posts were on the PS4 thread for that system back in the olden days, people would be breaking out the SDF images and berating them left and right, and branding them to the level of certain infamous posters

Wonder why the double standard here?

Reality is, the situation is bad for MS right now. But they can fix that by actually showing games that people would want enough to overcome fears about their system design decisions. Because MS didn't do that, they have to swallow their price, deal with this horrific mixed message they've been throwing out, and wait until E3.

That's what it basically boils down do.

Maybe the posters on here have matured since those angst ridden console fanboy days or more likely people no longer give a damn  icon_lol
116  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Xbox One Discussion on: May 30, 2013, 04:48:47 PM

Quote from: TiLT on May 30, 2013, 04:30:38 PM

Quote from: Purge on May 30, 2013, 03:59:59 PM

Pot meet kettle.

You realize that's an admission of guilt, right? slywink

That would be news to me. From what I understand of the expression, it only serves as an accusation of hypocrisy. It's not meant to be some kind of admission for the person using it. The expression should be read as "you're in no position to accuse others of X". Correct me if I'm wrong. I looked it up briefly for the purpose of this post, and what I found seemed to verify what I just said.

Yep similar in vein to people shouldn't throw stones in glass houses. Nothing racist in that comment in any way. Still used widely in the UK so it must be fine cause we cant normally say shit about shit over here without the threat of arrest and capital punishment
117  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [TV] Hannibal on: May 30, 2013, 04:36:04 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on October 27, 2012, 08:15:06 PM

Lawrence Fishburne  icon_frown

I think he works well as Crawford as long as you look past the Morpheus thing smile
118  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [TV] Hannibal on: May 30, 2013, 04:32:21 PM

Quote from: hepcat on May 30, 2013, 04:03:44 PM

Is it just me, or does it seem like Hannibal is trying to build a family of sorts?  A dysfunctional one to be sure, but a family all the same. 

Not really, it's more like having a friend. He feels everyone is significantly below him and they dont deserve his friendship. Will he thinks does.
119  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: EA Dropping Online Pass Program on: May 30, 2013, 04:17:00 PM

Quote from: ATB on May 16, 2013, 05:28:51 PM

Quote from: Teggy on May 16, 2013, 01:09:14 PM

Quote from: ATB on May 16, 2013, 12:52:04 PM

I only played one game with the online pass (ME3) and it worked fine.

It has nothing to do with it working fine. It's the fact that you had to pay extra money if you didn't have a new copy of the game. Plus, it was annoying to have to enter a code.

I have no problem with publishers trying to limit the sale and use of used games.  And entering a code takes <60 seconds. Why are you in such a hurry, Teg?

Good for you, personally im hoping for more rights and the EU kicks in to touch the fact we cannot sell on digital purchases. We need more consumer rights not less.
120  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: [TV] Hannibal on: May 30, 2013, 03:48:31 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on May 29, 2013, 09:48:00 AM

we had epsiode 4 last night(the episode that you guys did not get because of Boston)

Spoiler for Hiden:
It was a very violent episode with kidnapped Children being used to go back to their families to kill them so they can be with their new families

Its a shame that you guys did not get the episode,because although the Children killer storyline can be missed,the continuation of Hannibals advantage and manipulation over everyone is something quite interesting

I am liking this series,but its quite eerie/strange...i use my Turtle Beach Headset and the music/soundtrack is quite bonkers at time

Spoiler for Hiden:
Will seems the more he works doing this,the more he is losing it,and Hannibal helping the FBI while he is the one they are looking for is quite good

There have been a lot of rumours,apparently the producers have plans for up to 7 seasons or David Bowie will be in season 2...but the decision to renew Hannibal has still not been decided(apparently it could be picked up by other networks if it doesn't get renewed by NBC)

I am loving this series. As a Hannibal fan before Silence came out it's great to have a series like this. Something different that doesnt follow the normal by rote police murder investigation shows.

I have been series linking it on Sky(UK) but admit to downloading the episodes already shown in the US to get my fix sooner. Even my wife is enjoying it a lot.

We have started watching The Following (all 15 episodes on sky+ waiting) just to fill in the time bewteen Hannibal episodes and while it scracthes an itch Hannibal is just so much better.
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