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15641  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Are you the destroyer of threads? [Possibly NSFW] on: September 02, 2006, 03:14:21 AM

Quote from: Arkon on September 01, 2006, 11:19:01 AM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on September 01, 2006, 09:43:39 AM

Quote from: Thin_J on September 01, 2006, 09:13:23 AM

You deserve death.

The painful kind.  The kind that involves squishing.  I'm gonna go ahead and curl into the fetal position now, kthanks.   retard

Don't you think that is overreacting just a wee bit, I mean sure the chick on the bike has a tanline, but perhaps she can't sunbathe nude.


yer right. If she did, she'd have everyone on the west coast throwing wet towels on her and trying to push her back in the ocean.
15642  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: EA Employee - 360 failure rate between 30%-50% on: September 01, 2006, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: ChaoZ
You yourself admit that you have had at least one system not perform to specifications and another failed by your own fault. Whether or not you are satisfied is immaterial. Others who have not purchased an extended warranty (which people SHOULDN'T have to buy) won't be so lucky. Design fault or production fault is up for debate.

Your argument about ID-10T users doesn't fly. The Gamecube and even the original Xbox were solid systems (with the exception of the Thompson drives). It's a consumer product and should be built as such. They SHOULD be able to plug shit in and expect it to work. The Xbox360 is a product you should expect KIDS and the non-technologically inclined to use. It's designed so it's easier to use than a computer.

One game, which I didn't bother to retest. It was Oblivion and it was chugging heavy. I didn't even clear the cache.

ONe thing gamers don't do is read manuals.
Also, on the internet reports, not all of MS's customers are on the internet.
15643  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Just recently got a 360 and I need some help. Plz help me! on: August 31, 2006, 09:11:32 PM
use ebay to find the wireless adapter if you're planning on getting the 360 one. I have it, it rocks, but they charge too much for it.
15644  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: What is the greatest threat to humanities existence and why? A jblank poll. on: August 31, 2006, 07:39:42 PM

Quote from: warning on August 31, 2006, 04:59:56 PM

*warning thinks the greatest threat to humanity is gellar referring to himself in third person and typing in red

At least he ain't refering to himself in third person as an object. Eg: The Gellar thinks this thread will destroy humanity.
15645  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Should I continue trying to woo my boss? *picture time* on: August 31, 2006, 03:14:36 PM

Quote from: Semaj on August 31, 2006, 12:33:18 AM

4) No matter what happens in my love life, I can come on here and see how you are doing and realise it cant be all that bad...  icon_biggrin
15646  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Battlefield 2142: In game ads! on: August 31, 2006, 02:38:27 PM

Quote from: siege on August 31, 2006, 01:52:49 PM

Quite frankly, it should bother you. Why you may be able to ignore advertisements, it's the principle of the matter. You will have paid your $50 for the product, while EA is making even more money by shoving adverts in your face.

If we get to a point where we have to PAY to be advertised to, I simply won't buy anything.

Cable television.
(Doh! Kobra mentioned it)
15647  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: New PS3/PSP Info (Who is this guy?) on: August 31, 2006, 02:31:25 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on August 31, 2006, 04:43:14 AM

Quote from: warning on August 31, 2006, 03:23:47 AM

Quote from: Dante Rising on August 31, 2006, 02:33:16 AM

I really don't think the disc limitations will affect Microsoft until the end of the lifecycle. Most games will just move to 2 DVDs if necessary, and that will still be cheaper than producing 1 blu-ray disc. I never had a problem <GASP!> switching to the second disc on resident Evil 4 for the Gamecube.

Which is fine for a more or less linear game like Resident Evil 4.  But what about something like Oblivion?  Exactly where would you switch a disk?  Have one half of the map be one disc and the other half be disc 2?  For an open, non-linear game multiple discs would be a huge annoyance.
It wouldn't be that hard, just have an obvious east/west divide on the game map.  With a map like World of Warcraft, for instance, you just have a different disc for each continent.  If you want a less severe divide, just make sure you have a neutral zone between discs (that is on both discs) so it isn't possible to switch back and forth if you happen to travel straddling the line.

15648  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: EA Employee - 360 failure rate between 30%-50% on: August 31, 2006, 02:16:57 PM

Quote from: ChaoZ on August 31, 2006, 01:39:49 PM

Now, if we take the assumption that failure rates are at 30%, can we come up with some reasons why there are no class action suits?

1. Microsoft has been good about providing service... so far.
2. Most units are failing before the warranty period is up, and MS is even offering service to some outside warranty (whereas the Sony "Read Error" problem happened to most outside of warranty)
3. People are only now starting to realize that a lot of people's units are failing as well, gathering reliable information about failure rates is difficult.
4. Coverage of the topic is also minimal because of #3. Also, coverage of video games has always been minimal in the mass media.
5. People who fault the reliability of the Xbox 360 are immediately branded as Sony fanboys.

Besides, if you hear Microsoft say the failure rates are under 3% and you hear 4-5 of your friends say they returned the system, who would you believe more?

Any more than Sony saying their installed customer base is over 100Million since they've shipped that many, when I know people who have gone through 3-4 machines with full-on hardware failures (Drives not reading disks, etc)?

1) Correction: MS has been excellent with service (40,000 foot view, not saying they haven't had problems). They have had a commitment to that service since Xbox1.
2) Speculative at best. Where is "MOST" coming from? You state all people are within warranty, and those outside warranty are being supported as if they ARE covered? ... how is this a bad thing were it true?
3) "People are only now" - once again, this is subjective and not at all a disputable point. Most people think red looks more like blue than green. Gathering of failure rates is in fact, VERY easy. When systems are returned to GameStop/ Babbages/EB Games/Costco/etc.. where do you think they go? Back on the shelves? They're shipped back to the mfgr/vendor for repair/salvage/refurb so they can then use them as replacement units for future hardware failures. With every unit costing over 400 bux, you're telling me the vendor (MS in this case) isn't watching this closely? Do you seriously think with all the levels of management people wouldn't be having their walking papers handed to them for allowing the company to lose money hand over fist for poor management of their resources? MS still answers to their stock-holders; this isn't some closed system where no one is interested in the facts.
4) Coverage in media is minimal?  saywhat You mean to tell me HotCoffee wasn't noticed? All the grandstanding by US government officials isn't in the news every other week? The demonization of video gaming is very much alive and well. Oh, and Microsoft is one of the largest companies in the world. A world-wide product launch failure rate of more than 10% is likely to garner just a bit of bad press. Not just in Local / National, but also in the financial news.
5) Sony fanboys ARE touting this info to try to sway the people within their realm of influence away from a product that has been on the market for almost a year now. They fall within the group maintaining a 1:3 to even 1:2 hardware failure ratio.

As a person who does tech support (and has done so for both internal and public user base), let me tell you that PEBKAC, ID-10t users is a bigger cause of problems than products themselves. People don't read manuals, they just plug shit in and expect it to work as THEY see fit to use it. In this case it's not the non-tech people who have a problem; it's the know-it-all tech people. The ones who've owned other consoles, and like LE stated, treated them less like the delicate hardware they are. The non-tech people are more likely to read the manual since they're outside their comfort zone.

The counter to the % statisticr is that since MS is so lienient in its warranty, people take advantage of it. I, for instance, have cashed in on my extended warranty twice already, just because I could. The first time was due to my 360 making noise (my house was under construction and the 360 was subjected to significant amounts of drywall dust) and the second time was just because it was running slow with a game. I didn't try any other games out; I didn't care much to. I also wanted to take out the ext. warranty again so that when they redesign (or release a new 360 with HD-DVD) that i can cash in on it in a year. It's a grey area of abusing the warranty, but the fact is that my first 360 with a can of air and laying on it's side instead of upright would still be working fine for me today. I am a VERY satisfied MS customer, and know (after being through 3 systems and having one since november, 2005) that it is a sound product.
15649  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Enchant Arm RPG (360) has multiplayer on: August 30, 2006, 10:51:57 PM

Quote from: depward on August 30, 2006, 07:43:21 PM

Nono, I got that call too Jarrod but I just picked up my copy at 12:30 here in Portland.  LIES I TELL YOU!  So give your store a call.

I like the box - it's kind of like DDS1's box sort of thing, except it's a little skinner to accomodate the 48 page manga thing.  Fairly weak instruction manual though - no color, only 19 pages.

Were they nice enough to wrap it in an unmarked brown paper package to hide the contents for you?  ninja

On a side-note: Can we get a :ninjafag: tag with a ninja smiley with a flower tucked into the mask? KTHANX.
15650  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: EA Employee - 360 failure rate between 30%-50% on: August 30, 2006, 10:47:45 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on August 30, 2006, 08:01:09 PM

Maybe EA just makes their 360s work 80 hour weeks with no overtime pay and crappy woking conditions. 

I actually starting laughing out loud. Rare, that.
15651  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: New PS3/PSP Info (Who is this guy?) on: August 30, 2006, 02:32:41 PM

Quote from: -Lord Ebonstone- on August 30, 2006, 02:14:35 PM

Following the link is hilarious.  You forgot to include the guy's disclaimer, corrupt--

Note: This post is by no means unbiased. I make no warranty that what I have to say will not piss you off – especially if you’re a one-company fanboy whore. I’ll answer questions and I'll share what I know… but I’m not going to argue with the retards lurking in the Games forum shadows… especially when I am way more informed than you are*. Believe that or not (it's a fact), I don’t give a flying fuck what some pimple faced punk in the digital jungle thinks. This is a favor for those who appreciate it. Hence, if you do not appreciate inside information, then do us all a favor and fuck off.

How mature.  I'm inclined not to get a PS3 just to spite this fuckwit.

With lines like the one bolded above, you'd think it's Kutaragi himself droppin' this inside info... okay, maybe not. It's probably gone through their Superliminal Message Creator that is in charge of PR.
15652  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Saints Row Impressions...b1#$@! on: August 30, 2006, 02:11:01 PM

Quote from: juniordan on August 29, 2006, 07:47:16 PM

One thing I forgot to mention. The AI don't act like you the only person in the game. Cops will defend them selves against the nearest treat with no regards to which gang your on.
I was  being chased by one gang, when the cops disabled their car, then disarmed them before sending back up after me.
In a fire fight cop will take cover behind any solid object and shot at any treat, or any one with a weapon. This is very good
One time I was been fired upon so I ran across a cop who attacked the gangmember who was chasing me. After he took him out I figured I was next. NOPE I was a victim of a senseless crime been defended by the city finest.  nod

We were promised proof-read posts.
Worse than selling drugs; you be a LIAR, yo.
15653  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Enchant Arm RPG (360) has multiplayer on: August 30, 2006, 11:39:09 AM

Quote from: depward on August 29, 2006, 06:52:05 PM

Quote from: Arkon on August 29, 2006, 11:04:10 AM

Quote from: depward on August 29, 2006, 06:32:25 AM

Quote from: denoginizer on August 28, 2006, 10:41:45 PM

Quote from: Kobra on August 23, 2006, 07:26:26 PM

HOLY CRAP, they should rename this "Enchanted Gays"..

Anyoine see the videos of this game???

I'm speachless...

Is that real?  Nobody is going to buy that game.  I am surprised that they went with that angle.  I guess most JRPGs tip toe the gayness line.  But that thing puts on high heels and struts on it.
I'm going to buy it.

Same here.  One thing I wonder, do you have to use that character at all?  There are supposed to be a ton of characters you can recruit.
Apparently he serves to be a valuable character for your party.  He's apparently (hahaha) the best healer and such in the game... imagine that.

He must be a head surgeon.
15654  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Are you the destroyer of threads? [Possibly NSFW] on: August 29, 2006, 12:54:13 PM
You people need humility. You need humour... you need...


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15655  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] SFII patch released on: August 29, 2006, 12:38:37 PM

Quote from: Lockdown on August 29, 2006, 12:05:00 PM

Congratulations on your ranking Hark! 

Well done!

You pulled that outta your personal collection of effeminate men? Just wait, Enchanted Arms has got JUST the character for you.  nod
15656  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: New Xbox 360 Backward Compatibility Update on: August 29, 2006, 12:36:47 PM
Phantom Dust, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Otagi 1 & 2, Pyschonauts, and Oddworld:SW are still MIA for me.
15657  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (8/28) on: August 28, 2006, 04:16:08 PM
Hurk. Enchant ARM [eM] was almost a guarantee until I saw that guy-shaped-woman with the penis.  saywhat
"I's jussssst tooooo strooooonnnngggg!!"  eek

Saints Row would be a maybe if I were starving for games to play. I've never been a GTA gamestyle fan; they just get old quick. I played GTA, Vice City, Spiderman, Hulk:UD etc and I never get more than half-way through.
15658  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Are you the destroyer of threads? [Possibly NSFW] on: August 28, 2006, 04:10:00 PM

Quote from: Arkon on August 28, 2006, 03:10:22 PM

Quote from: Purge on August 28, 2006, 03:06:21 PM

In the interests of not letting this thread waste 10! pages, let's get it  locked locked

I think Purge needs Arkon banned just for the suggestion of locking this thread.

Grammar correction completed. Press any key to continue, or any other key to quit.
15659  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Are you the destroyer of threads? [Possibly NSFW] on: August 28, 2006, 03:06:21 PM
In the interests of not letting this thread waste 10! pages, let's get it  locked locked
15660  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Random BSOD's are going to drive me insane on: August 28, 2006, 02:42:04 PM

Quote from: Kobra on August 27, 2006, 03:15:06 AM

I respectfully disagree about onboard audio.

I recently REMOVED all of the Audigy cards from my machines, and went back to Onboard audio.  I noticed fairly uncommon and random crashes in some games when the audigy cards were in, I traced MOST of the crashes down to sound related (yes, the drivers were updated).  Removed the cards, in 2 weeks running with onboard sound none of my machines has had a single crash.

One thing I do know is that at 4 different software developers I worked for, almost all of their testing machines used onboard sound.  Stardock for example, was almost entirely made up of Dell's with AC97 sound chips.  (and this isn't uncommon)  So I think it is safe to assume AC97 and other onboard platforms are probably the most tested among developers. From this point forward, I am sticking to onboard sound, saving $$$, and having better stability as a result. The rallying cry of onboard sound sucking up massive system resources needs to be laid to rest.  These days, onboard sound only consumes 1-3% of the total CPU power under intense sound.  Thats 37mhz on a 3.7Ghz machine, big deal.

The X-FI, well, that opens another can of worms. ... wheres the exhaustive proof of this? This is a link to a subjective article with no proven "Facts". Is there another catalyst that is causing these issues? As to driver updates, I concur that Creative is one damned slow company to release them, though. The rest of it I'd need to see to believe. I don't know where this mass coverage of X-FI not working came from, this is the first I've heard of it.

As to onboard audio here's a link to different onboard chips head-to-head: ... 31% on the Realtek chip.  eek

They've gotten better (Jan 3, 2006 article) in the nForce 4 SLI bargain head-to-head  however :
Quote from: the conclusion
In the on-board audio area, the Asus and Foxconn boards utilize the Realtek ALC850 while the Albatron board utilizes the Realtek ALC655 codec. The audio output of these codecs in the music, video, and gaming areas is sub-par while performance in games is decent. If you plan on playing on-line or value audio quality, we highly suggest a dedicated sound card at this time, but the onboard capabilities of these chipsets will satisfy the majority of office users.

Heres some more recent audio comparison graphs : .

I have no use for a sub-par product even if it comes at a "free" cost. I'd rather pay less for my mainboard then to pay for sound I won't use.

Also, I speak from experience. My past onboard audio has caused me to have BSOD's. As soon as I turned it off they went away (I had it on for the CD player on option)

15661  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Just recently got a 360 and I need some help. Plz help me! on: August 28, 2006, 01:36:19 PM
Turn off the uPnP function on the router. then retry the connection through it.
15662  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Resistance to take up 22gb? [PS3] on: August 28, 2006, 01:33:00 PM
I betcha they don't reuse ANY code... like how doors open. slywink Each hinge is carefully crafted from a CTRL-C / CTRL-V function.
15663  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: 2GB Memory Stick Duo - $35 shipped on: August 28, 2006, 03:46:10 AM
I too am interested. Send me a PM with details
15664  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Random BSOD's are going to drive me insane on: August 27, 2006, 03:02:56 AM
are you using a tin-can power supply? I would suspect that.

Oh, and get the fuck off of the onboard audio. Not only does it not work well (it eats system resources like a fat kid in the Wonka factory) but they tend to not do so well in the driver side.

Get an X-FI soundcard if you can; otherwise get an Audigy 2 (the 4's are repackaged 2s...); or go non-creative. Just. Get. Off. The. Onboard. Audio.

Hell, try disabling it in the BIOS and then playing for an hour.

Also, we should know what sorts of settings you have in the BIOS... what's turned on, what's turned off, etc.
15665  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Just recently got a 360 and I need some help. Plz help me! on: August 26, 2006, 10:38:35 PM
  • Try directly to the cable modem (just in testing) to identify it.  360 <---->DSL / Cable Modem <-----> Intarweeb.
  • Some ISPs have been identified as having problems with Live (such as MTS here in manitoba). Check with them or at least their FAQs
  • TURN OFF uPnP on your router. That does 16 different shades of fucked up to network operability.
  • is an awesome resource for config questions.

If you want feedback on config; please post your info on who you connect through, your hardware and you lan setup. biggrin
15666  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Battlefield 2142 beta begins. on: August 26, 2006, 03:50:20 AM
Wow. take it personally.

Your thread was "imminent" not OPEN NOW. I wanted to make sure that people didn't miss it in case there was a time limit.
15667  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Hardware upgrades, smashes head against wall. on: August 25, 2006, 03:18:20 PM
I've got a hand-me-down for ya (my first "PC" running Hyperion OS, then DOS 1.1)

Plays Sopwith 1 like a summ'bitch ... black and white though.. biggrin
15668  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Battlefield 2142 beta imminent. on: August 25, 2006, 03:05:11 PM
I started a new thread to draw attention to the beta test.
15669  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / BETA : BATTLEFIELD 2142 open on FilePlanet (Sub only) right now!! on: August 25, 2006, 03:03:06 PM
Just a heads up for those who missed codes last week.

The year is 2142,
and the dawn of a new Ice age has thrown the world into a panic. The math is simple and brutal: The soil not covered by ice can only feed a fraction of the Earth’s population. Some will live, most will die.

In Battlefield 2142, players will choose to fight for one of two military superpowers in an epic battle for survival, the European Union or the newly formed Pan Asian Coalition. Armed with a devastating arsenal of hi-tech assault rifles, cloaking devices and sentry guns, players will also do battle using some of the most imposing vehicles known to man. Massive battle Mechs wage fierce combat on the ground, while futuristic aircraft rule the skies. When facing one of these new behemoths, players will need to use their wits and an arsenal of new countermeasures like EMP grenades to level the playing field.

  • Titan Mode - Wage epic-scale war to defeat your opponent’s Titan, a massive flying warship, controlled by the team’s commander. Players must destroy the Titan’s shields, board the craft, fight to its reactor core and detonate it from the inside – all while defending their own Titan.

  • 64-Players Online* - Experience all-out war with Battlefield’s legendary multiplayer for up to 64 players.

  • Real-Time Persistence - To the victor goes the spoils! Equipment, medals and other rewards are awarded in-game and in real time. Choose an unlock and have access to it immediately next time you spawn. The game features five times more unlocks than Battlefield 2.

  • Customisable Abilities - Gamers can expand their abilities and blend multiple player classes to match their play-style.

  • Lethal Vehicles - Gamers control menacing Battle Walkers that stalk the land and futuristic gunships that patrol the skies. APC’s and high-speed recon vehicles keep the action fast, furious and unpredictable.

  • High-Tech Weaponry - EMP grenades, sentry guns, smart mines, cloaking devices, and more change the rules of the Battlefield forever.

  • The world has changed - Fight for survival on the Battlefield of the 22nd century in brand new locations from Minsk to North Africa as the ice presses down from the North.

Go get some, Soldier!

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15670  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: NEW TEAM FORTRESS 2 TRAILER!!!! on: August 25, 2006, 01:11:34 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on August 25, 2006, 04:01:49 AM

The only thing I didn't like is that it looked like the bullets coming out of the heavy gunner's weapon were going all over the place.  I can understand some spreading and innacurracy, but that looked nearly impossible to aim skillfully. 

Uhm, I think you may have missed the point of the Heavy. Were he to aim that thing, he'd have to go prone, as it's a freakin' Vulcan! No, my friend, that is not a precise tool of destruction, it is a spray and pray.

Did you see how many people he killed with it? Also, when the scout is running you see it in use there as well.
15671  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Enchant Arm RPG (360) has multiplayer on: August 25, 2006, 01:06:16 PM

Quote from: Destructor on August 24, 2006, 01:47:35 PM


Every game has their...interesting characters, and apparently this is this game's character.

I'm disturbed that this forum has an icon that says "Go Down". In light of this context, I'd like it removed.

Replacing it with "Go straight to the bottom" isn't any better. That is all.
15672  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: XBLA Texas Hold 'Em free for download right now!! on: August 25, 2006, 12:47:09 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on August 24, 2006, 12:34:16 AM

Mine downloaded in about 10 minutes earlier...

It's a fun game, something that is very nice to have for free, but something I'd be a little "eeeeh" if I were to pay for it.  The music, while a nice idea, gets sooooo irritating by about the 10th minute...

*aherm*. Custom Soundtracks.  unibrow  retard slywink
15673  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Just recently got a 360 and I need some help. Plz help me! on: August 25, 2006, 12:44:28 PM
download the texas holdem game NOW (its free until later today, IIRC).

Then try multiplayer there.

Or rent another multiplayer game and try it. Is it isolated to GRAW or to your system?
15674  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why the EA hatred? on: August 24, 2006, 11:10:20 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on August 24, 2006, 10:18:24 PM

MS holds some form of responsibilty for everything that is accessed through the Live interface.  I wouldn't get mad over the horse armor because it's not a big issue but if Bethesda was hosting a bestiality mod through marketplace you can bet that MS has some responsibility for allowing it to be put up there.  Like it or not, MS has some control over everything that occurs over Live which is why they require MS cerfitication for any demos or Live Arcade products.  Unless the Xbox Live logo isn't on the box of an EA game, then MS is going to be associated with it too.

Actually, the source would be held responsible for criminal acts; Microsoft may be questioned as to how it gets there. The point is that MS is neither the owner, nor controller of these online assets other than the store-front. If you buy a Fisher Price toy at Wal-Mart and it kills your child, as long as it passed safety guidelines mandated by the governing body Wal-Mart would not be libel. Fisher-Price, however, would be on the nut for it. If it were a Fisher-Price Stabbing-Weapon-Of-Death with real real blood-lets and jagged edges... well, they WOULD hold some accountability to putting it on their shelves.

Quote from: Kevin Grey on August 24, 2006, 10:18:24 PM

The point of contention occurs at the point where you traverse from one service to another and that "handshake" involves cooperation between both parties.  You can only access the EA online stuff through Live in the first place.  MS could have mandated that EA provide some form of checkbox to allow users to opt out of the information sharing at the expense of no online but they didn't.  Yes, MS "covered" themselves but only in as much as EA did with propping up the EULA too- it might meet the legal wicket (or it might not) but it isn't friendly to the end user. 

Sticking to the Wal-Mart analogy, if you have a McDonalds in the building, is Wal-Mart responsible for the food-poisoning? If McDonalds was in the practice of mal-nutrition  Roll Eyes and a lobby group wanted McDicks out of their pristine Wal-Mart, then they would be going to Wal-Mart.

I see the EA Live as the same crap. I DO AGREE, however, that MS should have set down a mandate that their user base needs to enjoy the same privacy that the rest of Live protects them with.

As a sidenote; I gotta start using Preview. ;P
15675  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why the EA hatred? on: August 24, 2006, 08:11:43 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on August 24, 2006, 07:56:22 PM

Quote from: Purge on August 24, 2006, 07:49:57 PM

How many EULAs do you read? Piss off.

I don't read them, but I'm not crusading against them either.  MS transfers your information to EA which is something that they explicity agreed to do as a part of getting EA onto Live. Now they could have taken the high ground and refused until EA hopefully came over anyway.  This has been going on for quite a while but at no point does MS go out of it's way to inform their customers this is happening, instead they are content to let the EULA verbage cover their asses even though they know as well as anyone that almost no one ever reads them.  I misspoke earlier in assigning them half of the blame but I think it's ridiculous that EA gets 100% of it and MS gets off scott free. 

So I'm going to get mad at MS for Oblivion Horse Armor costing 200creds?

The responsibility of the EA EULA is totally and completely on the shoulders on EA. MS has covered themselves; you can go into your agreements with MS and turn off the renting option. Since EA Live doesn't have an interface per se, you can't even do THAT.

EA wanted to be able to host their own advertising, their own stats, etc. which was their point of contention with Live. For MS it was a matter of implementing a Live gaming protocol to allow users to traverse to someone elses network (and servers).

If you go from a governed street to a private road, You can't blame the government for the requirements of the private road.  Railing against them for allowing a private road isn't fair, given that the assets on that road are something your user base has been clamoring for for the better part of 2 years.
15676  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] Lumines = $23.75 and not $15? on: August 24, 2006, 07:57:53 PM

Quote from: Misguided on August 24, 2006, 05:22:52 PM

It's all a question of presentation.
If the game came out at 1200 points (and seemed reasonably full-featured) then they added extra skins in 3 months for a few hundred points, I think most people would be pleased with that. It's the notion that they are holding back content for extra bucks that I think bothers many people.

15677  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: PS3 to cure cancer? on: August 24, 2006, 07:52:04 PM

Quote from: rrmorton on August 24, 2006, 02:44:57 PM

This only confirms my decision to take a pass on the PS3. I am adamantly pro-cancer.

Funny stuff biggrin
15678  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why the EA hatred? on: August 24, 2006, 07:49:57 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on August 24, 2006, 07:48:46 PM

Quote from: Purge on August 24, 2006, 07:25:37 PM

MS protects its user information; this is WHY EA Live service has its own disclaimer. It is between YOU and EA; MS is stepping back and saying "We'll transfer this over if you want us to".

So what you're saying is that you're pissed off with yourself? 

How many EULAs do you read? Piss off.
15679  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why the EA hatred? on: August 24, 2006, 07:49:24 PM

Quote from: -Lord Ebonstone- on August 24, 2006, 07:09:10 PM

... you as a consumer are forced into a situation where you have to say either "I'm cool with the Sweet and Sour chicken being made from stray cats, it's still delicious," or "That's reprehensible, fuck that restaurant."
15680  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why the EA hatred? on: August 24, 2006, 07:44:09 PM

Quote from: Ridah on August 24, 2006, 06:26:31 PM

What exactly do you care, as a consumer, how the business is running? It's not YOUR job to fix EA's job quality issues or business methods. Let the Better Business Bureau handle that. So they bought the NFL license, it's not like other companies can't make football games now, their games just can't feature any players from the NFL. If you wan't to hate on someone, hate the NFL. Stop going to football games, never watch them on TV.

Like I said, I've always enjoyed EA's products and continue to enjoy them. As a person who simply likes to play video games, that's the only thing that concerns me. I absolutely have zero intention of investigating into a company's practices every time I buy a game. 

When their criminal treatment of people comes to the media forefront, you don't *NEED* to research it. It's staring at you in the headlines.

Here's a quote from a great movie :
Quote from: Boondock Saints
Monsignor: And I am reminded, on this holy day, of the sad story of Kitty Genovese. As you all may remember, a long time ago, almost thirty years ago, this poor soul cried out for help time and time again, but no person answered her calls. Though many saw, no one so much as called the police. They all just watched as Kitty was being stabbed to death in broad daylight. They watched as her assailant walked away. Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.
Connor: [as the brothers exit the church] I do believe the monsignor's finally got the point.
Murphy: Aye.
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