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15601  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why the EA hatred? on: August 24, 2006, 11:10:20 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on August 24, 2006, 10:18:24 PM

MS holds some form of responsibilty for everything that is accessed through the Live interface.  I wouldn't get mad over the horse armor because it's not a big issue but if Bethesda was hosting a bestiality mod through marketplace you can bet that MS has some responsibility for allowing it to be put up there.  Like it or not, MS has some control over everything that occurs over Live which is why they require MS cerfitication for any demos or Live Arcade products.  Unless the Xbox Live logo isn't on the box of an EA game, then MS is going to be associated with it too.

Actually, the source would be held responsible for criminal acts; Microsoft may be questioned as to how it gets there. The point is that MS is neither the owner, nor controller of these online assets other than the store-front. If you buy a Fisher Price toy at Wal-Mart and it kills your child, as long as it passed safety guidelines mandated by the governing body Wal-Mart would not be libel. Fisher-Price, however, would be on the nut for it. If it were a Fisher-Price Stabbing-Weapon-Of-Death with real real blood-lets and jagged edges... well, they WOULD hold some accountability to putting it on their shelves.

Quote from: Kevin Grey on August 24, 2006, 10:18:24 PM

The point of contention occurs at the point where you traverse from one service to another and that "handshake" involves cooperation between both parties.  You can only access the EA online stuff through Live in the first place.  MS could have mandated that EA provide some form of checkbox to allow users to opt out of the information sharing at the expense of no online but they didn't.  Yes, MS "covered" themselves but only in as much as EA did with propping up the EULA too- it might meet the legal wicket (or it might not) but it isn't friendly to the end user. 

Sticking to the Wal-Mart analogy, if you have a McDonalds in the building, is Wal-Mart responsible for the food-poisoning? If McDonalds was in the practice of mal-nutrition  Roll Eyes and a lobby group wanted McDicks out of their pristine Wal-Mart, then they would be going to Wal-Mart.

I see the EA Live as the same crap. I DO AGREE, however, that MS should have set down a mandate that their user base needs to enjoy the same privacy that the rest of Live protects them with.

As a sidenote; I gotta start using Preview. ;P
15602  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why the EA hatred? on: August 24, 2006, 08:11:43 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on August 24, 2006, 07:56:22 PM

Quote from: Purge on August 24, 2006, 07:49:57 PM

How many EULAs do you read? Piss off.

I don't read them, but I'm not crusading against them either.  MS transfers your information to EA which is something that they explicity agreed to do as a part of getting EA onto Live. Now they could have taken the high ground and refused until EA hopefully came over anyway.  This has been going on for quite a while but at no point does MS go out of it's way to inform their customers this is happening, instead they are content to let the EULA verbage cover their asses even though they know as well as anyone that almost no one ever reads them.  I misspoke earlier in assigning them half of the blame but I think it's ridiculous that EA gets 100% of it and MS gets off scott free. 

So I'm going to get mad at MS for Oblivion Horse Armor costing 200creds?

The responsibility of the EA EULA is totally and completely on the shoulders on EA. MS has covered themselves; you can go into your agreements with MS and turn off the renting option. Since EA Live doesn't have an interface per se, you can't even do THAT.

EA wanted to be able to host their own advertising, their own stats, etc. which was their point of contention with Live. For MS it was a matter of implementing a Live gaming protocol to allow users to traverse to someone elses network (and servers).

If you go from a governed street to a private road, You can't blame the government for the requirements of the private road.  Railing against them for allowing a private road isn't fair, given that the assets on that road are something your user base has been clamoring for for the better part of 2 years.
15603  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] Lumines = $23.75 and not $15? on: August 24, 2006, 07:57:53 PM

Quote from: Misguided on August 24, 2006, 05:22:52 PM

It's all a question of presentation.
If the game came out at 1200 points (and seemed reasonably full-featured) then they added extra skins in 3 months for a few hundred points, I think most people would be pleased with that. It's the notion that they are holding back content for extra bucks that I think bothers many people.

+1
15604  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: PS3 to cure cancer? on: August 24, 2006, 07:52:04 PM

Quote from: rrmorton on August 24, 2006, 02:44:57 PM

This only confirms my decision to take a pass on the PS3. I am adamantly pro-cancer.

Funny stuff biggrin
15605  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why the EA hatred? on: August 24, 2006, 07:49:57 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on August 24, 2006, 07:48:46 PM

Quote from: Purge on August 24, 2006, 07:25:37 PM

MS protects its user information; this is WHY EA Live service has its own disclaimer. It is between YOU and EA; MS is stepping back and saying "We'll transfer this over if you want us to".

So what you're saying is that you're pissed off with yourself? 

How many EULAs do you read? Piss off.
15606  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why the EA hatred? on: August 24, 2006, 07:49:24 PM

Quote from: -Lord Ebonstone- on August 24, 2006, 07:09:10 PM

... you as a consumer are forced into a situation where you have to say either "I'm cool with the Sweet and Sour chicken being made from stray cats, it's still delicious," or "That's reprehensible, fuck that restaurant."
15607  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why the EA hatred? on: August 24, 2006, 07:44:09 PM

Quote from: Ridah on August 24, 2006, 06:26:31 PM

What exactly do you care, as a consumer, how the business is running? It's not YOUR job to fix EA's job quality issues or business methods. Let the Better Business Bureau handle that. So they bought the NFL license, it's not like other companies can't make football games now, their games just can't feature any players from the NFL. If you wan't to hate on someone, hate the NFL. Stop going to football games, never watch them on TV.

Like I said, I've always enjoyed EA's products and continue to enjoy them. As a person who simply likes to play video games, that's the only thing that concerns me. I absolutely have zero intention of investigating into a company's practices every time I buy a game. 

When their criminal treatment of people comes to the media forefront, you don't *NEED* to research it. It's staring at you in the headlines.

Here's a quote from a great movie :
Quote from: Boondock Saints
Monsignor: And I am reminded, on this holy day, of the sad story of Kitty Genovese. As you all may remember, a long time ago, almost thirty years ago, this poor soul cried out for help time and time again, but no person answered her calls. Though many saw, no one so much as called the police. They all just watched as Kitty was being stabbed to death in broad daylight. They watched as her assailant walked away. Now, we must all fear evil men. But there is another kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.
Connor: [as the brothers exit the church] I do believe the monsignor's finally got the point.
Murphy: Aye.
15608  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why the EA hatred? on: August 24, 2006, 07:25:37 PM
MS never intended this to happen; this is all per EA demanding that they host their own servers (it was the bargain struck back in Xbox1 days when EA refused to go Live).
(updated to clarify).

MS protects its user information; this is WHY EA Live service has its own disclaimer. It is between YOU and EA; MS is stepping back and saying "We'll transfer this over if you want us to".
15609  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: "Hello Dear, Greetings to you in the name of God Almighty" on: August 24, 2006, 06:49:35 PM

Quote from: jimmyorr99 on August 24, 2006, 06:23:33 PM

haha That's great, but heartless. Who uses death and God to get money?

The Catholic church?
15610  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Are you the destroyer of threads? on: August 24, 2006, 06:44:54 PM

Quote from: Arkon on August 24, 2006, 02:36:01 PM



How'd you get a photo from my wedding reception??
15611  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Books Read in 2006 (Keep it Updated) on: August 24, 2006, 02:42:38 PM
and I'm just working through Mr. Goodkind's Naked Empire.

My only complaint thus far is that a couple books (pillars and Soul of the fire) didn't really involve Richard all that much. That, and Terry's author picture makes him look like a tool.

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15612  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Books Read in 2006 (Keep it Updated) on: August 24, 2006, 02:40:07 PM
Here's what I've read over the past 3 months...

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15613  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: I, for one, welcome my Prime Overlord [4mb of pics inside] on: August 24, 2006, 01:47:32 PM
I have the complete Rhino set (from a couple years ago).

You'd have to be a hard-core to get it (which I was).

at $50, I would have taken it. The only thing that Rhino did was remaster the sound and but in some decent CGI models for each disk.
15614  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Enchant Arm RPG (360) has multiplayer on: August 24, 2006, 01:24:48 PM
I'm jusssst tooo ssstrooonnngg!  eek

Quote from: Homer Simpson
Marge, I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals fa-laming!
15615  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Huge Calendar Update on: August 24, 2006, 01:21:26 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on August 24, 2006, 10:56:05 AM

As long as things don't turn into a moderation nightmare, I think we can use a 'village update' system and keep it current.

Villiage Update : Idiot still missing.

In other news, has anyone seen Devil around lately ?  :slywink:
15616  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why the EA hatred? on: August 24, 2006, 01:17:59 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on August 24, 2006, 08:28:48 AM

They are all rezzing some great older products.  While I'll always carry a torch for Origin, they didn't have to sell.

Did you read the article above? Also, does this excuse them from renting out my information? I wanted to try Burnout Revenge; now the known world has my CC info. Nice.
15617  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Why the EA hatred? on: August 24, 2006, 12:28:09 PM

Quote from: IkeVandergraaf on August 22, 2006, 08:34:17 PM

It's not, after all, like their some kind of Vietnamese child labor sneaker sweatshop.

There is a HUGE difference... the vietnamese "children", a.k.a. anyone under 18, are becoming skilled labour and bringing foreign money into their country. This is part of globalization. Those kids used to work regardless of Nike, but now they have shoes on their feet and bicycles to ride. It may be a benefit to Nike's company right now, but it's also a BIG WIN for those communities to have those jobs. The people working there are making more money than they ever did. The only fault in that situation is the government and their lax labour / child-labour practices. I'm sure Nike wouldn't care if their employees were all adults, as long as they're seeing a discount in the wages from 1st world labour operations.

In EA, they're treating people who could earn just as much as they are with the company like shit. The fact that these people ARE protected by a "superior" labour law and are still being worked well beyond reason baffles me.

Vote with your wallet; only buy USED EA games unless it's a struggling franchise.
15618  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Random Assorted 360 Questions on: August 23, 2006, 08:01:46 PM

Quote from: -Lord Ebonstone- on August 23, 2006, 07:27:09 PM

$35 for these X-230s seems like what I'd be looking for...

You have the following math to consider:

$52.99 / 5.1 = 10.39 per speaker
$35.00 / 2.1 = 16.67 per speaker

This means that, with the 360 audio routed through the PC, you could have 5.1 audio for pc, home theatre use and for games.
It would be the optimal solution.

Personally, I have had the 5300 (this is the updated version 5300e), and I now have the 5500 speakers
15619  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Random Assorted 360 Questions on: August 23, 2006, 07:24:56 PM

Quote from: -Lord Ebonstone- on August 23, 2006, 03:54:40 PM

I'd probably want a 2.1 sound system for space and cash reasons, unless the 5.1 was the same or a very similar price.  Recommendations welcome.

that x530 is 79.99 CAD (~70USD). Any decent 2.1 system with a sub is going to run damn close to that.
Newegg has it for as cheap as 50USD

Which XFI card do you have? the platinum with the expansion bay with the connectors?
15620  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Here we go: Help Me Choose an RPG To Play on: August 23, 2006, 06:52:15 PM
What about Vandal Hearts? It's FF Tactics with a storyline! biggrin
15621  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Here we go: Help Me Choose an RPG To Play on: August 23, 2006, 03:54:47 PM

Quote from: Calvin on August 23, 2006, 02:08:02 PM

I did play Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter a bit- I didn't like it the first time but it may be worth trying again.

As for Enchanted Arms-I would like to rent it, but after initial poor reviews its not a purchase to me.
It's a good thing you are interested in trying Dragon Quarter again. It takes a minimum of 3 times through to actually beat it, IIRC. (it might be 2, but I seem to remember some sections still being closed).
15622  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Here we go: Help Me Choose an RPG To Play on: August 23, 2006, 03:52:56 PM

Quote from: -Lord Ebonstone- on August 23, 2006, 01:51:43 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on August 23, 2006, 12:11:38 PM

Quote from: depward on August 23, 2006, 06:15:47 AM

HAH!  No doubt   Tongue  Can't believe I forgot to mention the SH series as well... though, I know Calvin thought Covenant wasn't so good because he was afraid of the 'gayness' emanating from it.

Hope he's not planning on picking up 'Enchanted Arms' then  :slywink:
Is Enchanted Arms the next RPG to offer rewards for collecting almost-nude male bodybuilder trading cards for a pair of gay lovers?

Is that a note of excitement I detect, -LE- ?

Oh, and I love the new board with the abbreviation tags... try rolling your mouse over the words. biggrin
15623  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: One-hit-Wonder Companies and their Games. on: August 23, 2006, 03:37:35 PM

Quote from: warning on August 22, 2006, 01:22:50 PM

Alright here's mine: Ion Storm.  They (the Austin branch) deveoped Deus Ex which was the bestest game evar!  And... that was it.  Daikatana?  Pfft.  Anachronox?  I'd rather play Final Fantasy.  They did some RTS also... maybe Dominion Storm over Gift or some shit like that.  Then they folded.


I liked anachronox right up until I hit a show-stopping bug.  crybaby
15624  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Halo co-op question on: August 23, 2006, 03:31:13 PM
co-op save points are (IIRC) based on the main profile although both sides get credit for it. Also, I don't think the in-game waypoints saves work for that kind of thing.
15625  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Random Assorted 360 Questions on: August 23, 2006, 03:10:28 PM
LE, allow me to don the "Voice Of Reason" +2 Wis hat here.

You are going to use it on both. Face it. Get the VGA cable for your monitor (and use DVI to the monitor for your PC). There are numerous screen resolutions it can do, and basically you are getting high-def. (720p is 1280x720, 1080i is 1920x1080 IIRC).

If you are going to have a buddy over, you're going to want to use the larger set. I don't know that the svideo is worth that time; you've already got the composite at no extra cost. the clarity you will get on your monitor will have you wanting to see it closer.

As to the bundle, don't go with PGR3 bundle... it's trade-in value is negligable. if it truly is the 360 KIT and not a card, that means you'll have an extra headset for your brother / friend who comes over and brings their account with them. (or a spare if you're harsh on your equipment)

Since you're in a dorm and you may want to get better speakers anyways, may I suggest running the optical out or the rca outs into your XFI input, and then get a decent set of speakers (perhaps something like the Logitech x530s if you want a 5.1 system) or a pair of long-wire / wireless earphones? The speaker option does require your PC be on (when do you turn yours off though?) but then both your PC and your computer benefit. Also, this means that the live headset isn't going to interfere with your voicecomm ability.
15626  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Would you Buy the Wii for $229? on: August 23, 2006, 02:13:44 PM

Quote from: -Lord Ebonstone- on August 23, 2006, 01:54:32 PM

Quote from: Kobra on August 23, 2006, 05:30:28 AM


Thank god it's only a crappy photoshop -- if that was real, fuck it, I'd buy a PS3 just to spite Nintendo.
Helping a competitor is too indirect an attack. May I suggest instead to hijack a Wii shipment and dump them in the Boston harbor?
15627  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: A few things you should know about the new forum on: August 23, 2006, 02:01:30 PM
I hate you all.

Now I have to change my scoreboard etc. Not happy. Not one bit. slywink
15628  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: thunder, Thunder, THUNDER, THUNDERCATS, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! on: August 23, 2006, 01:55:55 PM

Quote from: Destructor on August 22, 2006, 04:29:30 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on August 22, 2006, 04:09:20 AM



I'm so stunned I'm completely at a loss of words. Short of that big  saywhat anyway.

Follow that up with a for the execs at WB.
15629  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / Re: GTOfficial x360 Live Gamertag List on: August 21, 2006, 07:44:07 PM
made some changes. Still work in progress.  crybaby
15630  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sunday Skin - 8/20/06 on: August 21, 2006, 03:05:39 PM
I'm getting broken images for the post that (apparently) has the DOA pics.  crybaby

attach pix please! Also, where's the Pix / STFU icon? Ron, you're slipping...
15631  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Are you the destroyer of threads? on: August 21, 2006, 12:19:35 PM
I suspect that image is doctored... I mean shit man, EVERYONE knows that Chewie has no rhythm... he's on bass guitars.   saywhat
15632  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sunday Skin - 8/20/06 on: August 21, 2006, 12:13:38 PM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on August 20, 2006, 10:11:34 PM

You could bounce a quarter off that ass.  Damn!

It ain't quarters I'm visualizin' bub.
15633  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Lunesta doesn't work on: August 21, 2006, 01:54:28 AM
Might I suggest acepromazine?
Spoiler for Hiden:
Horse tranquilizer ... heh
15634  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Ninety-Nine Nights: Anyone take the plunge? on: August 20, 2006, 08:47:04 PM
This games reminds me of Ninja Gaiden in so many ways... like how many dents I can make in the wall beside the TV from the flying controller.

It's gone down to a B for the save thing. Seriously, I've gotten to mission 6 (swamp) where they jump you around, and if you want your troops for the final battle you spend forever hunting them down and backtracking.

Also, I hate named chars. No one except you does damage to them, and your special orb attacks do almost NOTHING to them. And they block. And block. And hit, then block. When you think you've hit them, they jump back, fly forward and smoke you for critical damage even though you're wearing an item that protects from critical damage.

So that makes it a B- ... Nice.
15635  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Are you the destroyer of threads? on: August 19, 2006, 05:15:06 AM
So CK is the "almost destroyer of threads" ? How quaint.
15636  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Ninety-Nine Nights: Anyone take the plunge? on: August 19, 2006, 05:06:08 AM
it does... you now have a use for the "BLOCK" button.  icon_biggrin eek
15637  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: When will Microsoft abandon subscription-based multiplayer? on: August 18, 2006, 08:47:41 PM

Quote from: corruptrelic on August 18, 2006, 09:32:18 AM

Honestly I don't really even see the point of Silver

*ahem* Gee, I don't know... downloadable content for single player games? Voice comm with people without being in-game? Wouldn't it suck if you had to PAY to actually GET to the marketplace?

The only thing Gold is good for is matchmaking and multiplayer gaming.

Frankly, I spend most of my time in the silver section of Live nowadays. (granted it's summer and I don't wanna get sucked into clans etc).
15638  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Ninety-Nine Nights: Anyone take the plunge? on: August 18, 2006, 03:08:55 PM
IMPRESSIONS™ by Purge

Video - Graphics are amazing, the blur effect is an enhancement. Very little pop-up noticed (faraway enemies are blurred and become more detailed as the distance closes.) My Glasses need replacing (getting some today, AAMOF) so when I sit a fair distance away I have problems seeing the chests in the distance and items.

Sound - Battle sounds are great, and so is custom music tracks (as I'm not too fond of the ingame music). Didn't pay too much attention to sound as of right now. I really don't mind the voices; there's a lot WORSE out there. I would give the voices a good rating (B+).

Controls - The controls in this game are WAY BETTER than the Dynasty Warrior franchise. You get some awesome strings for combos as well as different power attacks.

Gameplay - This is the big one folks. The gameplay in N3 is better than DW in every way possible. From on-the-fly equipment changes to ordering your troops, it all makes sense. The AI DOES actually do something, whereas the DW universe has more soldiers standing around than not. (which explains why the Chinese population dropped from 40+million to 16million in 120 years during the romance of the 3 kingdoms). Use "defend" to pull your troops back to isolate the opponents and get them out of melee combat. Hold your troops back and draw your foes into their own traps (like the stones etc). Use Attack to get them to charge into the opponents as well. Terrain plays a part in the combat, although not to the detail of the Total War series.

The hack-n-slash is varied, and all of your favorite combo build up. I found the game to be hard on the second level (the one included in the demo) as you don't have any powerups and your level is pretty low. go down the dead-end paths to get powerups ( the south-west one is a wash with only a cursed necklace which gives you -50% attack power). Get the 2nd and 3rd swords from this level (3rd is past the troll; let them battle it out while you go plundering chests! icon_twisted)

Inphyy is a fluid fighter, and although she doesn't really get the stopping power of her brother until the 3rd and 4th missions, she does really well. There is at least 6 characters to play in the game; I'm on the 6th mission ATM. See spoiler below.  eek

The only gripe I had initially is that there are no in-game saves, which artificially inflates the play time. Given that there is mission ratings though, I'd have to say it's fair to assume you are GOING to be playing them over again (one achievement is getting an A rating on all levels). The camera was fine, although YMMV based on what you're used to. The DW series didn't even let you pivot the camera manually (you had to block to center camera; in N3 you can do this as well).

Spoiler for Hiden:
Inphyy just slaughtered old, sick, women and children orcs ingame ... she's a vicious person filled with hatred.
I am not regretting this purchase one bit.
I give it a solid A for now; the game is designed as a single player experience... the only thing I would have liked to have seen is a live co-op mode as well.
15639  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: DVD Tuesday - 08/15/06 on: August 17, 2006, 02:26:01 PM
Quote
    * The Simpsons - The Complete Eight Season
    * Simpsons: Season 8

I can't decide between the two... slywink kiddin. Zippo for me.
15640  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: So... My dad has cancer on: August 17, 2006, 02:24:04 PM
Move to Canada (become canadian) and use our healthcare system. hell, everyone else abuses it; it might as well get used for what it's intended to.  Just remember, don't bitch about the taxes being higher; they ARE contributing to that same healthcare. smile

I'm sorry to hear you have to go through this... I know as many cancer survivors as I know victims. I truly wish your family success in this.
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