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15481  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 360 VGA Cable: F-ing Audio cables are too short! on: October 13, 2006, 01:21:21 PM
Oh, and here's where I clarify what I was saying as it was a disjointed mess.,15307.msg191766.html#msg191766

Scene 1 - use the line-in on your soundcard (optional: use the optical in port if you have one)
Scene 2 - use a y-splitter to bypass your soundcard (optional: instead of getting splitter, just move the earphone jack from one to the other)
Scene 3 - get a switching box (note the yellow highlights) to select audio source. (optional: you can have a second output using this solution).

Note that the "optional" is displayed in teal, and yeah, those pics are budget.  nod

I'd personally use Scene 3; it means you have one more port open for any other devices, such as your PS2. You also have the option of getting a second headset or sound output (such as speakers you may eventually pick up) and don't have to do any cable swapping. The CVS880 will run you about 30bux online; you might be able to get it cheaper on ebay or a  local R/S.

If you don't go with that one, you can just get a female to female adapter for each channel and another RCA cable to extend it.

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15482  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Phantasy Star Universe on: October 13, 2006, 11:14:09 AM
Its up!
15483  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: 360 VGA Cable: F-ing Audio cables are too short! on: October 13, 2006, 10:37:26 AM
I answered your question here.,15307.msg191744.html#msg191744

Clearly you love my diagrams. I can feel the love.
15484  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Are you the destroyer of threads? [Possibly NSFW] on: October 11, 2006, 09:22:55 PM
I don't see what a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks has to do with this thread.  saywhat
15485  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Are you the destroyer of threads? [Possibly NSFW] on: October 11, 2006, 05:47:58 PM
Man, I can't wait for Arkon's computer to go faulty like his 360.  nod
15486  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The wife: I am sick of missing my shows, fix it. on: October 10, 2006, 09:05:41 PM
See, at Shaw we don't need to have Digital cable to have the tuner. It goes for ~400 CAD (360 US). It records analog just as well, but its an HD reciever too.
The HD channels (network channels) are all free so there's no extra cost. If I wanted HD movies etc then those channels have subscription cost.

Double-check with them, they may let you own your own reciever. Digital cable isn't required for the DVR to work as long as the menu contents are sent.
15487  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: My townhome was broken into this morning. 360 and other items stolen. on: October 10, 2006, 02:41:07 PM

Quote from: Jancelot on October 10, 2006, 02:09:35 PM

Geez, I'm about to leave for a week long trip.  I think I'll stop by Home Depot tonight and pick up some safety items for my windows and doors.  Sorry to hear about all this Dante.

what was your address again?

* Purge  uses third person text to describe getting a pen and paper ready
15488  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Gaming words on: October 10, 2006, 02:37:49 PM
15489  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The wife: I am sick of missing my shows, fix it. on: October 10, 2006, 12:39:03 PM
I have a Shaw HD PVR, and I love it. Even the GF can use it; she hates electronic anything. It's a dual tuner which means you can record shows while you're watching another show... and the show you're watching is being cached so you can rewind your tv or pause it anytime.

I tend to pause a show right when it starts (if it's not pre-recorded) and go do stuff (bathroom break, make popcorn etc) and then come back 10 minutes later. Then I have 10 min cached and I can fastforward through commercials on "live" tv. Also, if I decide to keep the show so I can watch it later, the PVR lets me transfer that cache into a saved recording.

The scheduler works beautiful; I can flag shows or even search on the next 3-4 days to find shows I want to set a schedule up for.

Apparently the TIVO thing is better, but if I were you I'd try the HD PVR from your cable company first (see if they have trial offer). Hell even if they don't, tell em that you're trying to decide between tivo and their service. They should bend over backwards for you. If they don't, fuckem.

Also, there are now multi-TV satellite PVRs (my buddy has one through Bell ExpressVu) where you have one reciever, 2 remotes (1 is radio so it works even if walls are between them). It is essentially 2 HD PVRS where you can simultaneously:
(for example)
Watch channel 2 on TV1
Watch channel 3 on TV2
record channel 4 on PVR1
record channel 5 on PVR2

And all four can be HD with no problems.
15490  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: My townhome was broken into this morning. 360 and other items stolen. on: October 10, 2006, 12:28:37 PM
In Canada we don't have the "murder" rates you guys have; we also don't have the right to kill someone. We can be exonerated of killing someone, but it ain't a "RIGHT" to do it.

If someone breaks into your residence, you can use "reasonable force" to detain them. Cutting their hamstring or killing them may or may not be seen as reasonable. Also, the tools you use to accomplish this are also scrutinized after the fact. If they are unarmed and you have a gun and shoot them with lethal intent, this could be seen as unreasonable.

Now, Dante, as to your GF being the target, I'm not sure about that. If there were 2 people in your home I'd suspect they'd both be there. There is a likelyhood that he was looking for the things associated with women (jewelry, etc). It also sounds like he was checking the house to see if they could be loud or not; they may have been planning a clean-sweep of the home.

One other thing... this thief was RUNNING FROM A MAN WITH A SWORD. Now he may not have been terrified, but I'm sure there was some fear there. I don't think he :

A) expected a male to be there, although given the electronics and the decorations I would have immediately expected it.
B) would want to return or even be seen in that part of town, given that his face wasn't hidden and he KNOWS if he took the tour that he'd be suspect.
C) looking to do violence in a robbery. That is generally not the intent. Violence against your girlfriend wouldn't have been planned inside a townhouse (Where I assume you have neighbors adjacent). It *is* possible, and for her safety and yours it should be considered. That doesn't mean it is the truth though; don't let that eat away at you.

As it stands, there is a thief who was chased by a man with a sword. What do you think his comfort level is about going for another visit? The "repeat visits" don't happen with foiled robbery attempts, to the best of my knowledge. It's usually after a fully successful robbery where they can rip out the so-so stuff to get the insurance replacements they'd be looking for.
15491  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Movies I wish had made it to DVD format on: October 09, 2006, 02:06:51 AM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on October 07, 2006, 02:11:16 AM

Quote from: Purge on October 06, 2006, 05:32:28 PM

Rats of Nimh (WS)

I think that was called The Secret of NIMH, and funnily enough I was just thinking about this movie earlier in the week!  I haven't seen it in ages but would love to see it again.  Apparently it was released on DVD and can be had on Amazon for only 8 bucks. 

Quote from: wonderpug on October 06, 2006, 05:42:31 PM

Star Wars

Umm, what?  You are aware that they have been released on DVD, right? 

You missed the WS beside my original post. I OWN it with the 4:3 ratio. Yuck. (and yeah, you're right about the title).

Also, the Star Wars 4,5,6 have not been released on DVD in their original.. you know, when greedo DOESN'T shoot first?
15492  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Business Idea on: October 08, 2006, 12:21:52 PM

Quote from: Blackadar on October 08, 2006, 12:17:45 PM

Quote from: Kobra on October 08, 2006, 04:08:29 AM

Yup, caught me.. You figured it all out.. It's me, not Michigan

 retard retard

All I'm saying is that things are easier when you have former coworkers, bosses and the like looking out for you.  That's how I got my current job - former boss recommended me for it.  Leaving such as you did probably isn't doing you any favors.

Most companies will do that anyways. Here in Canada we have a privacy act that completely justifies such an action. If he were to say to his boss :

I R KILLIN UR LAPTOP LOLZ U SUX and did it that is one thing, but protecting yourself is something completely different.

Back on topic: you could also do the mailing thing. Advertise in the paper with dropoff locations and mail location. Get a website set up with online billing, and they pay the repair and postage (included in the price). Kinda like GameFly, but call it DiskFix. biggrin
15493  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Movies I wish had made it to DVD format on: October 06, 2006, 05:32:28 PM
Grendel, Grendel, Grendel
Rats of Nimh (WS)
15494  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Ask the Devil on: October 06, 2006, 05:28:45 PM
Purge has disagreed with the devil.

Sally back in the early days of "All in the Family" otherwise you can let mankind rot.  nod
15495  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Ask the Devil on: October 06, 2006, 02:48:19 PM

Quote from: Devil on October 06, 2006, 01:22:56 PM

Purge - 6 pounds. Did I leave the oven on? KZJ is a fan of the old school and is now trying to get at her father-in-law. They are all winners in my book, Doug Fluite is the biggest loser.

#2 should actually read "it's Ass"
15496  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Are you the destroyer of threads? [Possibly NSFW] on: October 06, 2006, 12:48:23 PM
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15497  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Demos questions on: October 06, 2006, 12:24:26 PM
The reason the demo isn't going to be on live until november is because the official xbox mag gets THAT demo first.
The disc is one of the only reasons I used to buy that rag (now that whats-his-face headed off to Bungie).
15498  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Ask the Devil on: October 06, 2006, 12:15:22 PM

Quote from: depward on October 06, 2006, 12:05:59 AM

What's your position on homosexuality?
I bet he says the bottom. I mean, that's the good seat right?
Oh my goodness, I think I may have laid down a double-entendre.  paranoid

Devil May Tell:

How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
What is the last thing to go through a bugs mind when it hits a windshield?
Katherine Zeta Jones ; does she REALLY love the old-man balls, or is she head over heels for anything smelling like Old Spice?
Who is the biggest loser in a "Worlds Biggest Loser" competition... the person voted as the biggest loser, or the runner-up?
15499  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Sappy poem on: October 06, 2006, 12:06:31 PM
Shortest poem ever :

Adam had'em.
15500  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: One Game At a Time: My Xbox 360 Purchasing Rule with Contest on: October 06, 2006, 12:03:03 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on October 05, 2006, 09:47:33 PM

Sorry, there were too many bullets for me to read, so I didn't read any.

Yeah, TML is hardcore. Hardcore people don't read bullet points. Hardcore people EAT bullet-points for breakfast.

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15501  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Running Cat 5 Cable? on: October 06, 2006, 11:58:43 AM
So what did you order?
15502  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Running Cat 5 Cable? on: October 05, 2006, 07:23:49 PM
ATB, ygpm.
15503  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [360] Sonic the Hedgehog demo available via Marketplace on: October 05, 2006, 02:59:19 PM
You CAN change your prefs to have newer posts go either above or below the previous.

Just sozya know.
15504  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Running Cat 5 Cable? on: October 05, 2006, 02:28:43 PM

Quote from: ATB on October 05, 2006, 02:18:19 PM

No basements in NC.

sux. Is there crawlspace or is it on a concrete pad with floor joicts? (spelling on that word is questionable)

Quote from: ATB on October 05, 2006, 02:18:19 PM

Blown Insulation.
Yuck. Not my favorite. Cheap to put in, messy to work around. the 2nd story office network cable might go up and through that; you'd have to dig to find it.

Quote from: ATB on October 05, 2006, 02:18:19 PM

Where does what cable come out?

The network cables for router -> wall for 2nd story jack ... this is the cable I'm referring to.

Also, you may have more than one stack.
Do any of your rooms use suspended ceilings?
15505  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Running Cat 5 Cable? on: October 05, 2006, 02:24:22 PM
here's the other option : use wireless networking. slywink 54Mbps is pretty damned fast.  nod

joking aside, if they ran it through the floor then there should be space that you can get a cable through.

Also, most houses that use indoor plumbing have a stack that goes up for the sewer vent on the top of the house as there has to be an "open-air" vent above any drains and water faucets. THAT stack will have some opening that cables get run up. The interior space in there should be at least a 6 inch thick wall if not hidden behind some closet with a 2ft x 2ft kind of shaft.

Go into your attic and look for that stack. figure out if it's feasible to run it there.

Honestly though, if this seems daunting, plan EVERYTHING out and then get a cabling company to give you a price quote first. I'd hate for you to get into this and then curse my name for all ages.
15506  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Running Cat 5 Cable? on: October 05, 2006, 02:17:31 PM
Do you have a basement? I'd suggest running it there before going all the way up and then back down.

Also, where does the cable come out ? what kind of insulation does your house have (blown in, or the pink shit?).

if you've got a digital camera, take some pics of the existing cable (where it goes into walls, and then where it comes out) as well as any places it's exposed in the attic.
15507  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Running Cat 5 Cable? on: October 05, 2006, 10:37:38 AM

Quote from: Thin_J on October 05, 2006, 03:17:36 AM

I've been looking into wiring every room in the house for a gigabit network, but that gets pretty expensive when you get into the hardware required to do it. I'd end up spending more than $100 on the switch alone, and I'd need several hundred feet of cable :|

Not really. Cabling is cheap (twisted pair) and using links above, it's 3 bux a room for the wallplates. You don't have to worry about distances and don't join any network segment before your switch. You've got ~300ft before you need to worry about signal attenuation. Go with the solid core cable for the walls, and use weaved patch cables from the jacks to devices.

Also, use ebay to cut down on the cost of your switch.
15508  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Sony Shares fall fron news of PS3 overheating on: October 04, 2006, 07:53:22 PM
that's old news... if HD-DVD falls flat, MS is willing to go BR for movies (only). They didn't want to tie themselves to a format war with their own drive, which explains the decision to stick with DVD-9.
15509  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Ugh. Console Dilemma <In which ATB implodes> (then doesn't) on: October 04, 2006, 07:47:12 PM
and 12 bux for the ethernet cable. You've got 3-4 business days to get that shit online. biggrin

Oh, don't bother going with the Live GOLD unless you're a big multiplayer kinda guy.
Get the silver account set up, and use the "free month" card to try it out when GoW arrives.
15510  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Plasma Vs LCD Projection on: October 04, 2006, 07:43:51 PM

Quote from: Devil on October 03, 2006, 07:42:03 PM

I always kinda viewed the DLP's as the poor mans HD, no offense but I haven't seen a DLP yet that impressed me with the picture when compared to a nice Plasma or LCD TV.
I went 5 years without a bulb replacement on my Sharp LCD projector. Every 5 years for a bulb is a small pice to pay for a picture as big as you want for a 'tv' that was less expensive to begin with.

I HATE paying small pice. Hell, even the medium pices are bastards to deal with... damn bastards shot up my ride.  :slywink:

As to the sets, the Sharp Aquos 34" LCD my parents got is A-freekin-mazing, but the seating is close. I totally agree with "don't use the showroom to decide your set" mentality. I would suggest looking at the feature set, go for the top-rated mfgrs (including westinghouse, they've really climbed to the top of the pile in the last 2 years).

I can tell you one important difference with plasma vs Projection LCD... the brightness of the image drops sharper after 10 hours of use on the LCD over the plasma (it has a 5% decrease; LCDs are at ~11%, RPLCDs are at 17% IIRC).

I would stick with plasma, personally. I would also find one that has all the creature comforts I want before going with which set looked better in the store. Menus, remotes, wireless earphones that play the PIP/POP/PBP (VVegas used to do this back in the day). The bigger brands also have an advantage; their controls are going to be compatible with every multi-function remote out there as opposed to the SORNY and MAGNETBOX products.

I love the Aquos light-sensing auto-brightness adjuster and FULL backlit remote with a touch of the button. The menus are slick and the viewing angles are excellent.
15511  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Ad on: October 04, 2006, 07:26:21 PM
that is, IMHO, laugh out loud funny.
15512  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Running Cat 5 Cable? on: October 04, 2006, 06:26:47 PM
here's some pics.

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15513  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Running Cat 5 Cable? on: October 04, 2006, 05:53:06 PM
One other thing you could do : move your switched router to the attic, and use a long line from the modem into it, and run a second line back down to the office. then you're using your attic (assuming it has power) as your wiring closet and everything moves from there down into the rooms. It makes good sense to do so. Better than adding a hub.

I assume you have 2 pcs and a network device like a 360 or PS2.
15514  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Running Cat 5 Cable? on: October 04, 2006, 05:34:07 PM
You *could* go with something like this. I personally wouldn't. Here's why:

This is how ethernet works :contention-based networking (rather than something like Token Ring in which a "right of way" token is passed around.) Contention-based basically means that, in each network segment where no bridges, routers or switches are used, it's a party line with every device talking on the same channel. This means that every time your 360 checks the internet, your PC may have to wait. And vice versa. Over and over again, thousands of times per minute. That's just 3 devices; your 2 clients and the modem (using something like a hub). You can see why hubs aren't used beyond 16 ports, as there is a lot of contention on the network. It's also one of the reasons all the NAT routers act as switches on the "inside" network.

Now this is how ALL "Hubs" work. port1 sends packets looking for device on port3. To find it, it broadcasts the data to ports 2, 3 and 4. Port3's device acknowledges it by sending a packet back. Port3 sends this acknowledge to ports 1, 2, and 4, and port1's device responds in kind. If there is another device trying to send at the same time, they both stop, and wait a random period of time (micro-seconds) and try to resend. If there is someone else talking, they do it again. and again. and again.

A switched router is different. It keeps track of the IPs (and at a lower level the MAC addresses using ARP) and which ports. It also establishes private paths so there is no sharing of data paths inside. So when your 360 decides to get some internetting, the messages to-and-from the 360 will not ever hit your PC unless there is a broadcast (which is designed to hit all devices in it's subnet/network).

By introducing the hub on the line that the PC uses, you have now created a new physical sub-network in which everyone has to share. At the moment this won't be a big deal as ALL internet connections go through one port to your one modem, but if you decide to talk "inside" your network, as in streaming from PC to 360 or adding another PC, then whichever devices are on that splitter are going to get packets they don't need. This isn't terrible and may only cause an unnoticable blip,but there could also be packet collision or heavy traffic outside traffic that impacts your "inside" performance.

Also, you're adding another device you don't need.

You already have ports free on an "intelligent" switched router device, and you have a good working connection with your PC. Do you really want to bump that and risk your first time crimping cable ends and possibly degrade that performance BEYOND the packet collision and increased network contention on port1 while ports 2-4 go unnoccupied?

Given your layout, there is just as much work dropping the cable from the attic to your first floor room that needs the drop as to run a second drop ( as you already have the pathway from your office to the attic).

Your BEST bet (and best practice) is still to go with the 50 or 100ft line. Run the cable from your office down into basement or up to the attic using an interior wall (and the recommended weight / magnet combo) and then run it down the wall you need it to go for.

Don't cut lines, and dont introduce more work for yourself. You could even (depending on how your existing drop is configured) get it on a fancy new wall plate. These types of things make wives happy. (then you can use short patch cables to-and-from the router to the wall-plate.

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15515  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Running Cat 5 Cable? on: October 04, 2006, 04:52:54 PM
sometimes you even have to get the 3/4 inch 2.5" long electricians drill bit involved. Fun stuff.  thumbsdown
15516  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Running Cat 5 Cable? on: October 04, 2006, 04:26:30 PM

Quote from: ATB on October 04, 2006, 04:15:43 PM

Thanks Gents-

Is there such thing as a splitter? That way I could run the line to both the upstairs and downstairs on the same line.

You are talking about a hub. (splitter=multi-port repeater=hub) There are non-powered hubs, and at that network distance (less than 300ft combined) you're not going to see attenuation (signal degradation). This means you COULD have a "splitter" sitting somewhere in your walls.

I would instead suggest that you run two different lines through; that way you have more control. You can get 2 and even 4 keystone wall-plates for where your router is. Use 6 foot patch cables from that plate to your router. It is the best practice.

Also, I recommended the 100ft for you. If both segments you need to run are less than 100 ft, run the long one first and THEN cut the cable when it's in place. You might not need a second cable purchase.

Gimme some detail here : do you have a basement? where is your broadband connection? do you have a router? how many ports? how many devices? what floor locations?
15517  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Running Cat 5 Cable? on: October 04, 2006, 04:22:37 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on October 04, 2006, 04:19:51 PM

In terms of fishing tools, the best (and cheapest) method I've used was just using using a fishing weight attached to a piece of string and the wire, drop it down the wall and then use a retractable magnet to withdraw it wherever you want the wall plate. 

With interior walls and working inside the same stud space I totally agree. It's when you've got bends and hard-to-reach areas that tape pays for itself. If this is a single instance activity, see if home depot rents out fish tape by the 4hour and/or day (it wouldn't surprise me if they did).
15518  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Running Cat 5 Cable? on: October 04, 2006, 04:20:34 PM
Yep. Going with Monoprice is going to be cheaper, even with shipping. The price I show up top there adds up to less than 20 USD to do. The cable already has the male ends, and I assume every house has one pair of wire-cutters or pliers (which have a cable cutter standard on them).

If you decide to forgo crowns (as often people will use the forced air ducts to run the cable up). I'd recommend that first rather than wiring to a location that you may not have your system in 6 months from now.

Any questions, please ask away. I could even walk you through (using phone as I don't pay LD charges) if you need some free tech support. :shrug:

I've wired my houses so many times it hurts. I used to run 30+ person lan games at home; I still have 10/100 16 port switch (TRUE switch, not a hub) from 1998... back when those f**kers were ess-pensive.
15519  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Running Cat 5 Cable? on: October 04, 2006, 04:06:14 PM
CAT5 is WAY cheap.

100foot CAT5 $11.25 x ?

keystone wall-plate $1.00 x 2

tool-less keystone RJ45 male adapter $2.00 x 2

Steps :
Cut off the ends of the 100ft cable
Run the cable through the walls / ceilings (you may need a drill and a wall-fish to do this).
Make sure each point at which the cable leaves the wall is asthetically pleasing. (or if you opt to only need ONE plate and the other is not being mounted in the plate then don't cut that end off, just plug it into the router)
Use wire-cutters to cut through JUST the outside sleeve on the cut end(s). Note: ANY nick or damage to the twisted pair means you cut back to behind the damage and try again).
separate enough of the twisted pairs to work with them.
Shove em in the color-coded toolless crowns. (or you could use the crunch-down type. You do NOT need to strip each of the 8 cables inside. (referred to as the 4 twisted pairs).
Finally, mount the keystones onto the plate(s), and fasten it to the wall over the hole.

Like I mentioned above, you may need wall fishing tools, such as fish tape.

The only reason you'd need crimping tools was if you were working with CAT5 without the male RJ45 ends. If this is the case, it's 9.15 from, and another couple of bucks for the ends.
15520  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Wife's 30th. Wanna do 'Something' Special on: October 04, 2006, 03:33:24 PM
I would suggest a 6 hour spa appointment, hairdressing / mani-pedi thing-a-ma-bob, and when she gets back the entire house has been CLEANED from top to bottom. Oh, and a bunch of friends and family waiting to surprise her, or a romantic dinner prepared by vous with nothing that required "insta-devices" like microwaves.

Oh, and a cheesecake birthday cake.  nod

My callous remark was going to be "Divorce papers".  disgust Damn you and your scripture quotes.  :slywink:
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