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15281  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The 360 Killed the previous Generation on: September 13, 2006, 11:07:34 AM

Quote from: ATB on September 13, 2006, 10:46:02 AM

Your last sentence is the one I'll focus on.  Purge makes many good points, obviously, and mentions multi-platform games as well to good effect.  However-
It seems that we're missing a key factor here: does the 360 prevent you from wanting to play great games on different systems?
[...]
Why are so many people chomping at the bit to get the virtual arcade on the Wii if previous gens are no longer playable?  Are any of you 360 owners even interested in the Wii? It's not exactly 'next gen' on the graphics front.

What about other classic games? There are no game points in those! You mean to tell me you'll never go back to play any of the Zeldas, Marios, Fallouts, Jagged Alliances, Warcrafts, Starcrafts, Mike Tyson Punchouts, Kid Icaruses, etc because of the 360? 

So the 360 has basically shut the door on every game ever made prior to the 360s release?  I find that claim very hard to believe.


You are right. There is nothing on the 360 that makes me NOT want to play older games. But I have played those games, and generally once you've played them, you'll reminisce, you'll miss em, but you don't power them up over the new game you just bought. You ARE in the honeymoon stage if you have a backlog of AAA titles that have been out for years... you haven't moved passed them yet, and to you they are still NEW. To others who have played them, they have reaped the benefit of their collective gaming experience.

When "new" PS2 games come out, they are being compared to the new technology, and it's a yardstick that they fall short of. Like I said with multiplatform, they are going to be 360 games (or PS3 games whenever that comes out). A or B titles on PS2 are going to (IMHO) fall to the wayside for a lot of 360/ps2 owners for the A and B titles on the 360. The PS2 AAA titles will still be budgeted in though; that is completely normal.

Wii is new, just as the 360 is. Wii are curious as to gameplay. I couldn't give a rats-ass about legacy gaming; I want to see what wii can do with the wiimote.

As it stands, I don't go out and get that many older games. It doesn't shut the door; it just shows how closed it already is.
15282  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: What's a fair price to offer my friend for this iPod? on: September 12, 2006, 07:39:26 PM
I'd take it for 250; depending on how good the friend is.

Personally, I'd check out www.ebay.com first and do some searching on completed sales of that model including shipping.
15283  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The 360 Killed the previous Generation on: September 12, 2006, 03:10:54 PM

Quote from: ATB on September 12, 2006, 01:02:12 PM

Quote from: Purge on September 12, 2006, 02:51:44 AM

saywhat 1st gen Ps2 games were not even CLOSE to the quality that the 360 games are.
Irrelevant.  The point of the thread is that the PS2 Generation is 'dead' because of the shiny new graphics charged 360.  I countered saying that the releases for the PS2 in the next six months are at least is strong if not stronger than that of the 360. 

I disagree with the "irrelevant" comment; perhaps I didn't illustrate as clearly as I needed to. PS2 games have had 4+ years in development on "familiar" equipment. All the games coming out on the 360 are still "rookie" status. They may not have the polish that the PS2 games have, but they are also accountable to stand 'head-and-shoulders above'. Games for 360 aren't just "games" and compared as such; they are held against the 'next gen' expectation that each of us carries. As it stands, the PS2 with it's market share isn't going anywhere with the gamer that has the ps2 and no 360. For you to really be in this discussion, you would need an older console and the 360 to truly 'get' what the thread is speaking to. (that's not to say that you don't, but the majority of PS2 owners do NOT fall into this category).

As to the releases on the PS2, there is no question that they NEED to be as strong as the 360. There IS no PS3 for most gamers this year. With the context of this thread in mind, does this have the 360/ps2/xbox1/gc users chomping at the bit more for the next legacy console game, or the next blockbuster 360 game? That, my friend, is an apples-to-apples comparison. As one of those people, I'm pretty stoked for the next 360 release. Hell, I don't even look at xbox1 games anymore, even IF they were on the BC list. They'd have to be outstanding games to "step back in time".

Quote from: ATB on September 12, 2006, 01:02:12 PM

Quote from: Purge on September 12, 2006, 02:51:44 AM

The cross-platform games delivered to the PS2 are generally cut down. For instance, some of the Tom Clancy titles (R6 IIRC) couldn't have working doors with the size of it.
Again, irrelevent. Sure the technical capability of the PS2 and even the XBOX is well behind the 360, but I see lots of classic cars still on the road and they're no less marvelous because of the technology incorporated into modern ones.  And they're not 'OMG DEAD. KILLT!' 
Here's the relevance: with users who have both systems and are standing in EB Games looking at multi-platform releases, where do their gaming dollars go? Most, if not all pf the sports games being released multiplatform right now. You tell me how that ISN'T relevant. Custom soundtracks, online ranking, matchmaking and the fluidity of the Live integration blows away the older systems. THEN theres the Dolby Digital and the graphics. There is no percieved loss-of-depth to games developed for 360 over the ps2, xbox, gc releases. If there was, those games would get panned by the 360 users unless it was a must-have title (MGS2 for Xbox1 springs to mind with inexplicable slowdowns during rain scenes).

Quote from: ATB on September 12, 2006, 01:02:12 PM

Quote from: Purge on September 12, 2006, 02:51:44 AM

So in terms of quality, the PS2 is lagging behind the xbox1, which is behind the 360.
Quality of processor? Quality of workmanship? Quality of Games? No, just technologically.  I've not read nor heard about any game on the 360 comparing to any of the blockbuster classics on the PS2.  Not even a whisper. Sure 360 is in it's first year so there's no chance of that happening though progress will hopefully be made with some of the larger releases due within the next six months.  This fact should also preclude hyperbolic statements like the previous gen being dead from being made also.
Oblivion. Right there is an AAA title that blows away any western RPG on the PS2. Can you name another? The 360 hasn't been out for a year. What exclusive PS2 FPS touches GRAW or even Perfect Dark Zero (which is a flawed game, make no mistake) SOCOM/2? Please.

DOA4 is just as good as any PS2 fighting game. People have their favorites, and maybe you're a Soul Caliber fan or a Tekken fan (I don't like any of them) but that doesn't take away from the quality of the game itself. Just because there have been B titles released for the 360 doesn't mean they all are. Hell, if you were to look at the volume of games on the PS2 and were to average them all out (or even take the MEAN value to scoring) you'd find the games overall are likely no better or worse.

I recognize that due to the volume of games on the PS2 that there are unique games that can't be found anywhere else. Ico, God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Kingdom Hearts, etc. That is to their benefit. Also, the "classics" you mention may fall into genres which have traditionally not been strong on the MS platforms. Think of this comment not just in a PS2 sense, but also to GC and Xbox1. Those genres (JRPGs, platformers and japanese quirk games, for the most part) and the lack of their prominence in the 360 portfolio are consistant with the prev. gen.

WARNING: the next comment rests on two IF statements... please bear with me. If those games were NOT Sony exclusives and made it onto the xbox1, and if the BC list included them for the 360, would you play them on the PS2? The point of this question is to bring to light the fact that you don't CARE about the hardware, just the titles. The exclusive titles are what you want, and most of them aren't even SONY titles. They're 3rd party who have signed on exclusively with Sony due to kickbacks, development costs or brand/national loyalty. The IF's are likely to happen in this next generation rather than the last. I don't expect a pancake flipping here, but a gradual adoption as Japanese developers want more foreign dollars, and publishers wanting to take advantage of larger target audiences (look at GTA4 as an example).

Quote from: ATB on September 12, 2006, 01:02:12 PM

Quote from: Purge on September 12, 2006, 02:51:44 AM

There is a fluidity in the 360 implementation. The Live integration, achievement points and the marketplace all have wormed their way into the hearts of gamers. Having demos available for free (silver requires no cost) means that ANY 360 owner can reap the benefits of online gameplay.

And that's fine.  I definitely applaud MS' implementation of the online features for the 360. No doubt it's brilliant (with some flaws to still be worked out). However, there are still far more SP gamers than MP gamers (and don't ask me for a source cause I don't have one- I think it's indisputable though).  I would bet this is even true of those with a 360. 

As to the SP vs. MP question, most achievements are based on SP games. I'd state that I play 85% SP gaming. There is less than 50% of the MS footprint that is "online". I think the Silver/Gold adoption rate (that being how many owners have either or) is in the 40-45% range. I don't recall where I saw that; it may have been Major Nelson's site. I think the 360 and its online capabilities naturally draw the broadband users more as it lets them truly use their internet connection.

The comment made in this thread is from one 360 owner who has stated that his PS2 is going unplayed due to the 360. I agree with that statement; I haven't played many xbox1 games since the 360 (including Halo/2, crimson skies, phantom dust, strangers wrath etc...). I sold my GC (kept the games so I can play them on a Wii eventually). It's not because I advocate visuals above all (although I do enjoy the graffix, make no mistake), but the immersion factor is unmistakably there. Not just for me, but for my friends too. I can tell you this with certainty; every night I see at least 12 of them online at any given time. smile
15284  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Post a Pic of Yourself! on: September 12, 2006, 12:57:26 PM

Quote from: MerianMoriarty on September 10, 2006, 08:37:12 PM

meeeeee


You look like JarrodHK's future ex. slywink
15285  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Rocket to the Sun - These Actors Need to go on: September 12, 2006, 12:47:04 PM
Orlando Bloom needs to be signed up for the "fun in the sun" program. The success of LOTR was _not_ based on his "acting". Everything since has been 'Legolas without the bow' or "Generic British-Accent Actor A".

Renny Harlin link ... with exception to Cliffhanger, I don't see any reason why he should be wasting our valuable toilet paper resources. Oh WAIT! That's right, he uses film to wipe instead.  Deep Blue Sea INDEED.

Nicholas Cage there's not a movie done by him that we couldn't have had any other actor in who would have done as good.

Ann Hart Coulter This little trip to the sun is a preview reading for the rest of your eternity, Miss Coulter.
15286  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The 360 Killed the previous Generation on: September 12, 2006, 02:55:10 AM

Quote from: Canuck on September 12, 2006, 02:17:42 AM

Quote from: Laner on September 12, 2006, 12:43:26 AM

I don't see how achievement points are any different than competing for a high score or collecting all 215.64 stars to unlock a new costume...

It's not.  They're both goddamned retarded and you never ever want to admit to a girl that you have interests in that you do this.

And you brag to her about winning arguments on the internet?

It's bragging rights to those who care. Mikagami and I both play DW5: Empires... he saw how far I got and dropped some hours into it to "catch up". Gaming, ANY GAMING, whether it be sports, bar games (pool/darts/skirts) or videogames all have an element of competition. I don't put 3000+ points WOOT on my business cards.
15287  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The 360 Killed the previous Generation on: September 12, 2006, 02:51:44 AM

Quote from: ATB on September 11, 2006, 04:31:54 PM

The games for the 360 cannot be better from a perspective of story, pacing, gameplay and writing than these PS2 releases...so the people you're talking about must all be about the graphics.

saywhat 1st gen Ps2 games were not even CLOSE to the quality that the 360 games are. Fantavision? Seriously?? The term "cannot be" indicates to me an absolute; you are comparing games and saying that Oblivion isn't better in story, pacing, and gameplay then any other FPRPG on PS2? This has nothing to do with graphics mind you, I'm talking GAME. Seriously. PGR3 doesn't have a lot of soul; most racing games don't. Their technical aspects are where they get their points. For those who love racing games, PGR3 ain't bad. MotoGP is another outstanding game.

The cross-platform games delivered to the PS2 are generally cut down. For instance, some of the Tom Clancy titles (R6 IIRC) couldn't have working doors with the size of it. So in terms of quality, the PS2 is lagging behind the xbox1, which is behind the 360.

Burnout Revenge is another obvious comparison. Which would you play? Come on now, put down that Dual Shock....

Now whether the japanese devs are banking on the PS3 and keeping the titles exclusive for now is not in question. I think in the next 2 years we are going to see a SIGNIFICANT shift. But that's not the point of this thread; the PS2 titles that are coming out are no more diverse than the titles that have been released over the past two years; they just have some exclusives that aren't found anywhere else.

Quote from: ATB on September 11, 2006, 04:31:54 PM

Wombat on CAG has a great point in one of the Cagcasts. The games coming out for 360 wouldn't be getting hardly any of the pub or buzz if they were coming out for any other system. However, because 360 is the new kid there's a disproportionate raving about anything that's even half-way good on that system.
And with this, I think that's over-simplifying it, just like 360love=GFXWhore. There is a fluidity in the 360 implementation. The Live integration, achievement points and the marketplace all have wormed their way into the hearts of gamers. Having demos available for free (silver requires no cost) means that ANY 360 owner can reap the benefits of online gameplay.
15288  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The 360 Killed the previous Generation on: September 11, 2006, 06:51:21 PM


Yeah, um. It isn't MOTS, it's LessOTS. At least, from what I've been reading. GR is posting average rank in the low nineties; I suppose you couldn't expect less unless the game was a dramatic flop. I mean, who'd have the guts to tell the pharoah you and 12 of your closest friends thinks his daughter looks like Anubis?

As to another overwraught story of an androgenous male princess and an effeminate male exploring the world they know nothing about, I'll take a pass. That's not to take away from the game itself, I haven't played through a FF game completely since VII. I played VIII and IX through to the 2nd and 3rd disk (respectively) and was hooked on the PC iteration of FFXI as a means of escapism from a spirit-crushing marriage. I never played X, playing VIII dashed my hopes of ever caring about a Squeenix game.

I find the charm of games like Full Throttle or Strangers Wrath more appealing; I like my hero to be street-wise and experienced. If I wanted to be led around by some pansie, I'd be dating Big Gay Al. (sssssuper!!)

As to consoles; Mr.360 has effectively stopped my interests in them. There is ENOUGH on the system to keep me interested and I don't have the boatloads of time I used to to dedicate to gaming. N3 is JUST AS GOOD as any DW game, albiet shorter (thank you Phantagram). I haven't even had time to pick up and play -eM- yet, and my Oblivion love has gone untended for so long. I have yet to put my used copy of Chromehounds into my 360, and I've easily put 40+ hours into N3 (so DAMNED close; I just can't beat the Night Man with weak-ass Innfyy).

Hell, I still haven't played HL2 Ep1 which is currently installed and ready to go!
15289  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Most Important First-Person Shooters of All Time on: September 11, 2006, 12:48:24 PM

Quote from: Mattc0m on September 10, 2006, 02:34:51 PM

I don't know, I'm glad Tribes got an honorable mention but I think it deserved more. Pretty much any FPS that features multiplayer borrowed something from Tribes.

In-Game Chat (IRC), thank you Tribes.
In-Game Quickchat, thank you Tribes. (1)
Multiple Character classes, thank you Tribes. (2)
Vehicles in multiplayer, thank you Tribes.
Energy meter (think Stamina), thank you Tribes
Purchasing a loadout of weapons, nades, equipment, thank you Tribes.
Deployable Turrets, Mines, and even Shields, thanks Tribes (3)
Introduced / Enhanced Tons of gamemodes (CTF, C&H, King of the Hill, Multiple team games, ect), thanks again Tribes. (4)


It's really hard to think of any recent Multiplayer FPS that hasn't borrowed multiple features from Tribes...

1] What, T and S aren't good enough? (TeamSay and Say) Available in almost any iD game after quake2. (1997, Tribes 1 is 1998)

2] Team Fortress (1) mod had classes before Tribes 1.

3] CounterStrike again.

4] is a mishmash of examples, multiple game types for FPSs dates back before Tribes.
15290  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Cold Feet: 360 Edition on: September 11, 2006, 12:32:49 PM
Soo, if you're running through Times Square and you see a giant billboard for Panasonic this would bother you? If the game is going to advertise products that the real world has up, then it doesn't bother me.

If Mario starts wearing Levi's though; that was never part of the game. You see what I'm saying?
15291  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Post a Pic of Yourself! on: September 09, 2006, 02:06:48 AM
Here's a fairly recent pic of mine.

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15292  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Most Important First-Person Shooters of All Time on: September 09, 2006, 01:55:57 AM

Quote from: Canuck on September 08, 2006, 11:43:35 PM

No Duke 3D?  Wasn't it the next big game after Doom?  It should have at least gotten an honorable mention.

they mentioned it in the opening.

As to Co-op, Halo didn't punish people for dying, and their waypoint system kicked ass. I agree with LE (I was trying to remember the nagging title I couldn't recall). UU was freakin' awesome, and since you could shoot a bow, it was a first person shooter.

ROTT was a standout for gore, Serious Sam for the 10000000 monsters rushing you, and Hexen / Heretic for the goth stuff.

I'd also add Unreal / Wheel of Time for storyline, and Q3 Arena and UT series for multiplayer.
15293  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: The Shat' chickens out. on: September 08, 2006, 07:22:05 PM

Quote from: Kobra on September 08, 2006, 03:51:20 PM

Quote
Now Playing:
Pikmin 2 [GCN]

Jesus, you too? I just started messing with this little gem the other day, now I am hooked.  Picked it up for $8 at a Garage sale.

Way to stay on topic.  Tongue Shat's awesome on Boston Legal though...how many lawyers are going up? (probably can't let too many on; the liability of someone trying to take out that many at once would invalidate "terrorist" insurance)
15294  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The Most Important First-Person Shooters of All Time on: September 08, 2006, 06:40:33 PM
I'd have put Halo on the list for a truly excellent co-op experience, or Rainbow Six for the one-shot death. The "storyline interaction crap" for HL doesn't cut it though; Duke3d did it just as well (both were Sci-Fi, one was campy and the other was "legit").

AvP should have been higher on the list; I also would have put an honerable mention to TimeShift (IIRC).  And WHAT about Jedi Knight??? Christ, that storyline was WAY better than HL1...

* Purge is now grumpy
15295  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Chromehounds - NOW WITH IMPRESSIONS on: September 08, 2006, 06:09:37 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on September 07, 2006, 07:32:17 PM

Yeah, I am missing blowing shit with you guys.

I was gonna ask if you guys had room in the clan, but clearly the team meetings happen in public washrooms...  :icon_eek:
15296  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Tony Hawk Project 8 video on: September 08, 2006, 06:06:58 PM

Quote from: Dafones on September 07, 2006, 04:43:37 AM

The Project 8 vs. Downhill Jam notion is just a personal preference. Yes Downhill Jam looks fun, and I'm sure I'd enjoy it myself, but I prefer the tricks over the races. The Amped series is about the perfect mix of trick and ride - god God do I love those games - where as DJ is mostly a racer, by comparison.

DJ does seem a lot like Tony Hawk SSX, a series that I absolutely hated, as a matter of fact. Good games, I'm sure, but games that just weren't for me.
* Purge  sits down in Dafones' boat
15297  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Enchanted Arms First Impressions on: September 08, 2006, 06:01:20 PM

Quote from: Sparhawk on September 08, 2006, 05:24:45 PM

Quote from: Purge on September 08, 2006, 05:21:23 PM

you people are melting my resolve to play EA (still in wrapping).

 mad

Oh just unwrap it and play it, you know you want to.

*unzips pants*

*looks at Purge's stunned face*

Oh, you meant Enchanted Arms.

Sorry about that.

*ahem*

Well, alright then, Back to work.


 saywhat it must take a WEEK to pee through that thing!  icon_lol
15298  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Cold Feet: 360 Edition on: September 08, 2006, 05:59:22 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on September 08, 2006, 02:55:33 PM

I think GoW looks fantastic.  But something about it reminds me of Brute Force in the way it is being marketed.  That scares me a little bit.

You got that too? It's the "Four unique personalities" thing that has me skiddish. I HOPE it turns out great but I tellzya, I *am* skeptical. I'm not a big fan of the "shoot enemy 140 times to kill it" method they seem to have adopted. Haven't pulled my preorder out though.

Rainbow Six : Vegas has me MUCH MORE excited.
15299  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Enchanted Arms First Impressions on: September 08, 2006, 05:21:23 PM
you people are melting my resolve to play EA (still in wrapping).

 mad
15300  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Are you the destroyer of threads? [Possibly NSFW] on: September 07, 2006, 08:00:43 PM

Quote from: Arkon on September 07, 2006, 10:59:43 AM

Quote from: stiffler on September 07, 2006, 01:11:34 AM

Let's try and look at that image scientifically...  How in the hell does that happen?  How can flesh become so misshapen?  And finally, what would happen if this person lost a ton (literally icon_lol) of weight?  How does that function on a toilet? 

It's just sick.  That shouldn't ever be seen outside of a medical reference book.

I am guessing that if she did loose weight, without some sort of surgery she would have tremendous amounts of excess skin.

Yeah, her arse-skin would be a living, queen-sized duvet.  eek
15301  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Anyone else noticing the lessening of fanboy bitch fights? on: September 07, 2006, 06:50:46 PM
and HOW does this relate to the topic listed on this thread?  saywhat

... I'z just sayin', yno... cuz we're so far off track that I'd need a compass and a star map to find our way back.

Oh, and I'm all for bitch-fights. Even Fanboys. (Although I have to admit I'd rather see a fan-GIRL bitch-fight).
15302  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Cold Feet: 360 Edition on: September 07, 2006, 06:45:04 PM

Quote from: Laner on September 07, 2006, 03:41:28 PM

It may be their policy, but if it's abused consistently (which given the word of mouth it gets via the intarweb could very well be the case), it won't be their policy for much longer.  There's nothing saying Costco can't and won't eliminate that program if it becomes a liability.

It's written on every receipt. How could the web get to more customers? As it stands, Costco doesn't eat it, so they aren't going to stop it. Since they host such large numbers of mfgrs, any new business is forced to agree to their policy or miss out on a very lucrative deal. If they put out a sub-par product they get burned by it, not Costco. What that does is weed out the chaff products. Their policy eliminates the "Buyer Beware" that we've been accustomed to. Since they don't risk their bottom line, they're unlikely to change unless the manufacturers back out due to their losses.
15303  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Cold Feet: 360 Edition on: September 07, 2006, 06:37:32 PM

Quote from: Jimmy the Fish on September 01, 2006, 09:04:25 PM

LE, my opinion is this. If you need people on an internet messageboard to convince you to buy it, then you shouldn't. Spending that much money on a console should be based on whether or not you are excited about the system and whether or not it has games you really want to  play.

Jimmy, there is a long-standing CG/GT/GG policy in effect. No going against the GT Forum Effect.  ninja

So you get back in line and shut the hell up.  icon_wink
15304  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What's the Standard Gaming Rig Now? on: September 07, 2006, 02:07:25 PM
I just upgraded in  june with the following :

FROM:

ASUS A7V Deluxe
2.8Ghz Intel 800mhz FSB
Ati 9800 pro
1 GB RAM

TO:

ASUS A7N-SLI Deluxe Doh!
ASUS A8N-SLI Deluxe NForce4 motherboard
3800+ Athlon X2 (dual core)
2GB RAM
EVGA 7600 GT CO

with the money I got from the sale of my old hardware, I paid 75bux for the upgrade. ( i also threw in an older HDD and a spare gig of ram I had lying around ... so maybe 175 in "cost" to me).
 
15305  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Enchanted Arms First Impressions on: September 06, 2006, 02:11:38 PM
I haven't unwrapped the game in case I want to return it. I have N3 occupying me right now.

Is it worth it to unwrap it, or is anyone looking to trade in the next two weeks for N3?
15306  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: real newbie question regarding TV, TDU and X360 on: September 06, 2006, 02:09:59 PM

Quote from: -Lord Ebonstone- on September 06, 2006, 01:30:32 PM

My brother's 360 is hooked up to a standard A/V input (obviously an SDTV).  He hasn't gotten around to buying an S-Video cable yet.

With the exception of nigh-illegible text in Dead Rising, the graphics are still phenomenal.  You can't really tell in PGR3 (honestly I was more impressed with Gran Turismo 3 than PGR3) but Chromehounds looks spectacular, as does Dead Rising.  And the sheer amount of stuff that can be happening onscreen in Saint's Row is pretty stunning too, even if the graphics are a step down from other 360 titles.

and THATS the difference between HD and SD TV.  PGR3 is head and shoulders above DR, GTR3 and Chromehounds. Chromehounds on HD actually shows many more flaws; SD hides some of it (not to take away from the game, but it isn't the most polished game).
15307  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: This Is Fun Pt 3: This Time It's Personal! (possibly NSFW) on: September 06, 2006, 01:30:46 AM

Quote from: CrayolaSmoker on September 05, 2006, 09:15:59 PM



...and I'll show you a kid who likes their bacon RAW.
15308  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] $600 console includes no video cables? on: September 06, 2006, 01:23:02 AM

Quote from: gellar on September 05, 2006, 08:26:19 PM

Quote from: jblank on September 05, 2006, 08:13:21 PM

Dude, we just showed you a site where a 3 foot cable is what, 5 bucks? It would cost Sony under a dollar per unit I am sure.

Again, the difference is that a lot of people are buying the PS3 for the BR potential of it and Sony is using this as their vehicle to really push the product. Why not do all you can, as a company, to make sure that out of the box it will do what is needed to show off their BR technology.

I'm not pissed about it, just flabbergasted at how you guys are willing to pay 600 dollars for something that we think is incomplete.

$1 per unit, assuming they sell... say 1 mil units is... $1,000,000.  Not a small chunk of change to save if they can.

And again, it's no more incomplete than not having an optical cable.  Or even worse, it doesn't even have a GAME.  How can they sell a gaming system WITHOUT A BLOODY GAME?  THE OUTRAGE.  How the hell can they show off the system's gaming capabilities without a game to play on it?!?!  Oh wait, they've been doing that for years.

* gellar remembers that his SNES came with Super Mario Brothers!

* purge remembers paying an extra 50bux for SMB & Duck hunt when all he wanted was the console for Zelda

Game content is subjected to taste. CABLES is CABLES. Optical cables aren't the defacto standard; there is SPDIF and 6 channel cables. As to video connections, there's HDMI, component and svideo/composite. DVI is dead and so is coaxial. Now, when I buy me a power supply without cables, or you know, a skipping rope without a rope, or a toaster without toast  saywhat .... wait, scratch that last one. What we're trying to say is, if they're going to charge and extra hundred dollars and say "zOMG I R IN URZ HOUSE STEALIN U R WALLET!!" they could at least cough up the cable.

by your math, that would be HDMI market penetration into 1 million households. Oh, and that 1 million units means 600,000,000 dollars. That's without games, extra controllers, yadda yadda. See if I cry for them. They could have dropped the media reader. I mean FUCK, that's at least 15 bux; they could have made a USB snap-on one and sold it to the 300 people who will actually USE it at a markup rather than bundling it and adding to the normal losses associated with a console.
15309  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Crikey! Croc Hunter Killed on: September 05, 2006, 08:16:49 PM

Quote from: warning on September 05, 2006, 01:48:45 PM

Quote from: Tals on September 05, 2006, 12:02:57 PM

For the record the baby in the crocodile pen as I understand it was something of a tradition for his family - he had the same thing done to him when he was a baby.

He seemed likable but slightly nutty.  I respect a lot of what he did but that's one bizarre tradition.  I can't imagine bringing my newborn baby into a pen with a predator.

Cats and dogs are.... vegetarian? "Tame" is a subjective term. slywink

GameOverMan, that comment hardly proves your point. He's been bitten by snakes etc and he wants it on film as he's likely to die likely to live (what the f-bomb was I thinking??). The context of that comment is bad. Who knows when he said that. I'd hate to be judged by comments I made 10 years ago.
15310  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] $600 console includes no video cables? on: September 05, 2006, 03:17:12 PM

Quote from: jblank on September 05, 2006, 12:45:59 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on September 05, 2006, 12:41:28 PM

Quote from: Purge on September 05, 2006, 12:08:59 PM

Oh, and 1080p requires 2 HDMI connections,

?  First I've read of that.  Where did you see that at? 

It's not true, ignore that.

Some facts:

Q. What version of HDMI does a consumer need to view 1080p content?
....
In addition, many of today’s 1080p HDTVs support only 720p or 1080i on the HDMI input, then perform video processing to up-convert the 720p/1080i signal to 1080p. This is now changing, as 1080p content is becoming increasingly available, and HDTVs fully supporting 1080p in the display and HDMI electronics have begun to reach the market in early 2006.

All versions of HDMI are backward compatible. Consumers should not look for a particular version of HDMI, but rather for the functionality that they want the device to support (SACD, 1080p, etc.).


http://www.hdmi.org/about/faq.asp

My bad; I was mixxed up with the Type B connector (29pin vs the Type A which is 19pin) which is for higher-than-1080p I missread the > to mean => and thusly jumped to the false conclusion that Dual-HDMI's was to overcome the bandwidth limitation.

That FAQ is wacked though, it doesn't REALLY answer the question, and they degrade their answer by using "upconvert". When I went looking to find where I had mistaken the dual-HDMI requirement for bandwidth, I found some info that indicates most 1080i content is capable of displaying at 1080p using the correct 3:2 pulldown. That's where the "upconvert" they mention comes into play.

??? this makes me wonder, as that is a degraded image, right? I mean, 1080p is 2x the bandwidth of 1080i (interlacing drops half a frame); saying that 1080p using a 1080i signal run through 3:2 means you're getting 75% of the picture that a true 1080p signal is pushing into the set. (3:2 pulldown means you're using 2 full frames of data to display 3 frames) Right? saywhat

Also, how does the PS3 still support 1080p video on the base model (use the Sony FAQ link above, select #2) and NOT have HDMI??
15311  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are you buying this week? (9/4) on: September 05, 2006, 02:43:10 PM
nichts.
15312  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] $600 console includes no video cables? on: September 05, 2006, 12:08:59 PM

Quote from: Tustin1 on September 04, 2006, 11:29:45 PM

Quote from: Thin_J on September 04, 2006, 11:24:58 PM

Leave it to sony to find yet another way to give their potential customers the finger.

Yeah, damn those bastards for saving those who don't need an HDMI cable a couple of bucks, those sick sons of....

*they* are the ones putting HDMI front-and-centre.

Oh, and 1080p requires 2 HDMI connections, FWIW. When they say no HD cables, they mean no HD cables. That would mean no analog monitor cable, component, DVI or HD cables (or BnC). Saves you money, right? I could see them pulling this, there aren't THAT MANY HD sets compared to low-def TVs. This means they're giving you what everyone else has, and makes you pay more for the HD stuff (which WILL have markup).

But the two HDMI ports, AND the multi card reader built in? That's shit EVERYONE needs. (multi-card readers run ~15USD for the no-name ones; adding HDMI ports for people who have a 1080p capable set is catering to less than 1% of the current market base; MAYBE 2-3% by the end of the PS3 lifecycle). Oh, and as it has already been mentioned, there's the BR player which has questionable worth ...

Yeah, they're just savin' you money, bud.

Go-Go-Gadget-Wallet-Grabber!
15313  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Crikey! Croc Hunter Killed on: September 05, 2006, 02:03:14 AM

Quote from: gameoverman on September 04, 2006, 11:38:50 PM

honestly mean no disrespect to the guy.  It's just I get puzzled by statements about how he did so much for animals(which even if he did, he follows a LONG line of people who were doing that way before him, Wild Kingdom anyone?), AND how sad for his family people are AND what a great guy/dad he was.

Um, whose fault is it that his kids have no dad?  Whose fault is it that his wife is a widow?  Who took a baby into a croc pen, turning serious animal work into a sideshow?

The guy did some incredible things, no doubt.  He entertained Jebus knows how many people around the globe, no doubt.  But the same way Marlin Perkins let Jim Fowler do all the heavy lifting, once Irwin had kids he should have guarded his health and safety...in order for me to think he's anything more than a very successful attention whore.
saywhat

K, I call bullshit. You *DO* mean to disrespect.

The whole "baby and the croc" crap is dead. He apologized to the world for it. Try a different perspective other than your own; he was WRONG to do what he did, but he was, in fact, exposing his child to the world he lives in, much like a farmer has his kids around animals... and farm animals can be more deadly than a well-fed croc.

He did more than "entertain". He wasn't a sideshow act that did juggling. He took you along on a world of discovery outside the drywalled interiors and showed you what it was like outside. Fuck Grande Lattes; watching him help tag and release giraffes in a conservation park was a real rush. He brought nature front - and - center to the idiot-box sitting in everyone's livingroom.

Show some goddamned respect for the recently deceased. A whore indeed.  retard
15314  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: DVD Collection Blowout!! on: September 04, 2006, 02:01:00 AM
dibs on FF:TSW .. waiting on rest of collection for single shipment.
15315  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Are you the destroyer of threads? [Possibly NSFW] on: September 02, 2006, 03:14:21 AM

Quote from: Arkon on September 01, 2006, 11:19:01 AM

Quote from: Knightshade Dragon on September 01, 2006, 09:43:39 AM

Quote from: Thin_J on September 01, 2006, 09:13:23 AM

You deserve death.

The painful kind.  The kind that involves squishing.  I'm gonna go ahead and curl into the fetal position now, kthanks.   retard

Don't you think that is overreacting just a wee bit, I mean sure the chick on the bike has a tanline, but perhaps she can't sunbathe nude.

 icon_twisted

yer right. If she did, she'd have everyone on the west coast throwing wet towels on her and trying to push her back in the ocean.
15316  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: EA Employee - 360 failure rate between 30%-50% on: September 01, 2006, 12:07:50 PM
Quote from: ChaoZ
You yourself admit that you have had at least one system not perform to specifications and another failed by your own fault. Whether or not you are satisfied is immaterial. Others who have not purchased an extended warranty (which people SHOULDN'T have to buy) won't be so lucky. Design fault or production fault is up for debate.

Your argument about ID-10T users doesn't fly. The Gamecube and even the original Xbox were solid systems (with the exception of the Thompson drives). It's a consumer product and should be built as such. They SHOULD be able to plug shit in and expect it to work. The Xbox360 is a product you should expect KIDS and the non-technologically inclined to use. It's designed so it's easier to use than a computer.

One game, which I didn't bother to retest. It was Oblivion and it was chugging heavy. I didn't even clear the cache.

ONe thing gamers don't do is read manuals.
Also, on the internet reports, not all of MS's customers are on the internet.
15317  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Just recently got a 360 and I need some help. Plz help me! on: August 31, 2006, 09:11:32 PM
use ebay to find the wireless adapter if you're planning on getting the 360 one. I have it, it rocks, but they charge too much for it.
15318  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: What is the greatest threat to humanities existence and why? A jblank poll. on: August 31, 2006, 07:39:42 PM

Quote from: warning on August 31, 2006, 04:59:56 PM

*warning thinks the greatest threat to humanity is gellar referring to himself in third person and typing in red


At least he ain't refering to himself in third person as an object. Eg: The Gellar thinks this thread will destroy humanity.
15319  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Should I continue trying to woo my boss? *picture time* on: August 31, 2006, 03:14:36 PM

Quote from: Semaj on August 31, 2006, 12:33:18 AM

4) No matter what happens in my love life, I can come on here and see how you are doing and realise it cant be all that bad...  icon_biggrin
15320  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Battlefield 2142: In game ads! on: August 31, 2006, 02:38:27 PM

Quote from: siege on August 31, 2006, 01:52:49 PM

Quite frankly, it should bother you. Why you may be able to ignore advertisements, it's the principle of the matter. You will have paid your $50 for the product, while EA is making even more money by shoving adverts in your face.

If we get to a point where we have to PAY to be advertised to, I simply won't buy anything.

Cable television.
(Doh! Kobra mentioned it)
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