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15161  Non-Gaming / Hardware / Software Hell / Re: Looking at Getting a LCD Monitor..... on: September 14, 2006, 04:43:00 PM
I've got a 2405FPW and also had the 2005fpw. Both are awesome. Dell FTW. biggrin

www.anandtech.com seems to think so ...  nod
15162  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / F.U.R. : Lego Star Wars II [360] on: September 14, 2006, 04:35:00 PM
Here's the rules for this thread folks : This is my attempt at creating a quantifiable to describe the forum effect. Your votes are not locked in; if there is a big smelly turd in the Boston Creme donut you bought, you can

change it(KoTOR2, I'z lookin atchoo). This means the numbers may fluctuate and actually create an overall "current" impression of a game without being just a simple review time-slice that sits unchallenged over the

digital ages.

I WANT :
- people to vote if they have played the game to any significant time (2 hour minimum, please).
- people to make brief comments if they've voted and wanted to point out their good/bad points. (not mandatory)
- people to dispute those points in this thread if they want to.
- people to come back and change (for better or worse) their rating of the game if they see fit to do so.
- people who are looking to buy the game to be able to see this and help them decide
- to be able to come up with another line I can start with "People"  icon_lol

I DONT WANT :
- demo reviews; that's not final code. Unless the title specifies otherwise, retail product only.
- bogus reviews. If you haven't played it, don't vote.
- Fanboy review effects. Fanboys can vote if they meet criteria, but I don't want a hater* to skew results.
- this to turn into a help / spoiler thread.

*People are putting their cash down on these games; if you hate Sony/Nintendo/MS/DeveloperX/PublisherY, WTF does that have to do with the game?

For the reply to topics, I'd be looking for:

Example in Purge's pathetic little mind:
I gave PS3's Eruption at Pompeo an 8, here's why:
+ Plays like a dream
+ Doesn't have shots of Chris Farley or Chris Rattan in it.
+ Has Ellen Pompeo's body in it.

- Controls aren't "Hands on"
- She's dressed
- Has Ellen Pompeo's face in it.
- Ellen has speaking roles
15163  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / F.U.R. : ChromeHounds [360] on: September 14, 2006, 04:29:07 PM
Here's the rules for this thread folks : This is my attempt at creating a quantifiable to describe the forum effect. Your votes are not locked in; if there is a big smelly turd in the Boston Creme donut you bought, you can change it(KoTOR2, I'z lookin atchoo). This means the numbers may fluctuate and actually create an overall "current" impression of a game without being just a simple review time-slice that sits unchallenged over the digital ages.

I WANT :
- people to vote if they have played the game to any significant time (2 hour minimum, please).
- people to make brief comments if they've voted and wanted to point out their good/bad points. (not mandatory)
- people to dispute those points in this thread if they want to.
- people to come back and change (for better or worse) their rating of the game if they see fit to do so.
- people who are looking to buy the game to be able to see this and help them decide
- to be able to come up with another line I can start with "People"  icon_lol

I DONT WANT :
- demo reviews; that's not final code. Unless the title specifies otherwise, retail product only.
- bogus reviews. If you haven't played it, don't vote.
- Fanboy review effects. Fanboys can vote if they meet criteria, but I don't want a hater* to skew results.
- this to turn into a help / spoiler thread.

*People are putting their cash down on these games; if you hate Sony/Nintendo/MS/DeveloperX/PublisherY, WTF does that have to do with the game?

For the reply to topics, I'd be looking for:

Example in Purge's pathetic little mind:
I gave PS3's Eruption at Pompeo an 8, here's why:
+ Plays like a dream
+ Doesn't have shots of Chris Farley or Chris Rattan in it.
+ Has Ellen Pompeo's body in it.

- Controls aren't "Hands on"
- She's dressed
- Has Ellen Pompeo's face in it.
- Ellen has speaking roles
15164  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: F.U.R. (Forum UserReview) [x360] Enchanted Arms on: September 14, 2006, 04:21:21 PM
The downside to this is I could fill a forum up. This should really be incorporated into the site, or at least it's own section. (ForumUserReviews) and each thread should be a poll about a released game. We could keep adding them for each game where someone picked it up and wanted one up.

I've provided a template idea; it'd be YOUR job to implement. biggrin heh. Or I could just do them here when I feel like it. I think we should stick with the same 10,9,8,7,6,5,4-1 with the same descriptions for consistancy's sake.
15165  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: XBox vs PS2 on: September 14, 2006, 04:09:38 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on September 14, 2006, 02:53:18 PM


I think the difference here is that Sony is actually making money on PS2 hardware sales- to this day MS still loses money on every Xbox 1 sold and that won't change because of the nature of their agreements they made with the different component manufacturers.  That's why, in addition to stopping devleopment of first party games (and presumably not promoting third party exclusives for the platform), they stopped actual Xbox console manufacturing last year too.  It is completely in MS's best interests to try and shift every available consumer to the 360 which was designed to ultimately turn a profit on each game console sold.

So for Sony, PS2 hardware and software sales are a nice continuing base and for all the stupidity of their recent moves, I don't think they are too stupid to see that a $129.99 hardware component isn't going to signfiicantly cannibalize the sales of a $600 hardware component.  People who are just now getting around to buying a PS2 are not the early adopters willing to shell out for the PS3. 


I would put forward the PS2 purchases are people buying replacement hardware.  :slywink: PS2 isn't going anywhere, and they have installed base. As it stands I think that the PS2 may even outlive the PS3 (should it fail to "Take"). This isn't to say that Sony is committed to their customers; it's just that their PS2 cow has a lot more milk with little overall cost or effort. They have done an excellent job with their PS2 strategies.

But as you said a 129$ product ain't gonna cannibalize their new product lineup, it's also not going to significantly eat away at their next-gen competition either. BC or not, most people who've invested in the hardware would keep it over spending an extra 200 to get a ps3 over a 360. I know *I* would.

Also, I don't think sony makes money on console sales (Nintendo does though); they just lose significantly less. Maybe the PSTwo changed that; I hadn't heard that. Consoles sold lose money, game adoption rates determine profits.
15166  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: XBox vs PS2 on: September 14, 2006, 03:07:55 PM

Quote from: Canuck on September 14, 2006, 01:12:10 PM

The Xbox certainly does not have the market cornered for quality as you imply by suggesting that the PS2 wins for quantity.  The fact is that the PS2 has the most quantity of games and the most quality games.
[...]
You suggest that the Xbox has the best controller.  That causes me to reflex with the fact that the PS2 has by far and away the best controller.  Far better than that ginormous thing the Xbox calls a controller.

You also made a ridiculous statement about how support for the PS2 is going to die off just like the Xbox.  Of course it will-in 3 freakin years, unlike Xbox's instantaneous death right after the release of the 360.  Support for the Playstation went on forever after the PS2 came out.

Actually, head-to-head game comparisons almost always rule in favor of the xbox. This is quality measurement. The only game I can think of that was better on PS2 was HotPursuit2, and that was because EA had a different company farmed out for the Xbox version. So no, your generalized statement is questionable. PS2 has more games. There is likely more "quality games" based on exclusives, and the "MORE" only comes in the genres where the xbox failed to gain developer support. In most genres Xbox1 had a quality game to match the PS2 in every way, and in cross platform games they surpassed them almost.every.time.

the S-Controller was lauded as the best controller at the time. Having analog triggers and two well-placed analog joysticks, it was my personal favorite. The 360's is better still. The PS2's controller was barely a change from the prev. 10 years of gaming. Also, the large controller for the box was surprisingly comfortable, and I didn't mind it at all. Remember, the Xbox was MS's first kick at the console system and there were learning curves.

The only reason the PS2 market will die slower has nothing to do with Backwards Compatibility. BC gaming isn't going to matter as much to people. When GoW2 comes out on PS3 and they have a PS2 port, you mean to tell me that you'd get the PS2 version?

The only reason the PS2 is going to last longer than XBOX1 will (as it stands, ebgames is listing 5 pages of releases through the end of this year including the next splinter cell, superman, Call of Duty 3, etc), is because the PS3 adoption is going to be slow due to cost, and the huge footprint that the PS2 has enjoyed with it's 6 year cycle. They would be stupid to shut down PS2 game production; that would destroy their customer base.

That being said, I think both are equally matched. Crux, borrow a buddies system (one of each) and rent/borrow some exclusives and some cross platforms and check them out.

Oh, and if you have surround sound AND/OR a HDTV or a Widescreen SDTV, I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND the Xbox1 over the PS2.

Hell, bite the bullet and get a 360. biggrin heh.
15167  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: XBox vs PS2 on: September 14, 2006, 02:42:28 PM

Quote from: corruptrelic on September 14, 2006, 11:49:20 AM

Also to the post that said Sony would turn its back on the PS2 as soon as the PS3 came out (cant seem to find it in the reply window) that would be true, except Sony has already promised to support the PS2 for several more years after the PS3 launches.
They took a few jabs at Microsoft on that very point of how MS turned it's back on the previous generation and that they woudn't be doing that as it's not fair to the consumers.
They said that while the PS2 was their only console to tend to. We'll see what happens when they desperately need the PS3 to succeed on how much effort gets put into PS2. MS allso stated they would be supporting the XBOX for the next two years; they just weren't having any more first party games for it. 3rd party games are still being developed for it.
15168  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: New 9/11 Footage on: September 13, 2006, 10:22:53 PM
I really don't like the fact that this shit opens up old wounds.

I still question the conditions that would lead the people who did this to plan to kill themselves in this manner. How bad is it where they are that they're willing to not only kill others, but themselves to do this?
15169  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: IGN Interview : Mistwalker Game Details on: September 13, 2006, 08:04:15 PM
Why do you ALWAYS CRUSH MY DREAMS?!!! crybaby
15170  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The 360 Killed the previous Generation on: September 13, 2006, 07:48:22 PM

Quote from: ATB on September 13, 2006, 07:13:04 PM

That makes perfect sense. I often forget how late to the party I am on things.
But but but: no one has played Okami.  If it turns out to be the greatest game at 'the end of PS2's run' you won't play it simply because it's on the PS2 and doesn't have achievements or HD graphics?

No, as I stated above that AAA titles are always welcome. In this case I don't have a PS2 so this is a non-issue for me. But that AAA title if it goes up against a AAA 360 title (lessay Viva Pinata turns out to be AAA) and I'm on a budget, then Okami just MIGHT get overlooked. The achievements and the graphics are a factor in that measurement, but by no means is that the only criteria.

For me the 360 didn't slam the door on the next gen last gen; it just illustrates how closed it already is.

And when it comes to graphics, I do prefer the 360 (duh); it is only trumped by my PC. If you wear glasses you might understand this analogy deeper than just the words: I have a fairly mild prescription, and I can function without my glasses with no problems. When I am doing something that is visual, however, I will put them on. That, to me, is what gaming on the 360 is. The conveniences provided enrich the experience beyond what you'd expect. Once you go with it for a while, there is a real disconnect when you step back, and you find yourself saying stuff like :
- "damn I wish I could play my music over this Koei chinese rock crap"
- "I wonder if any of my friends are online? I'd chat with one of them while grinding in this SP game cuz this part is tedious."
- "I just saved; I could go for a quick game of Texas Hold'em and then come back to this"
- "The damn controller doesn't reach where I want to sit"
- "Man I'm tired... do I HAFTA get up to turn this off? Maybe I could hit it with the pillow. F*$# I missed!"
- "Man I wish I could read this map. If only it were a sharper pic"
15171  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: XBox vs PS2 on: September 13, 2006, 07:38:36 PM

Quote from: ATB on September 13, 2006, 07:16:49 PM

Quote from: Graham on September 13, 2006, 07:08:54 PM


Just because it seems like a few more people might say that the PS2 is better when I think that the Xbox would be better suited for Crux, that doesn't mean that I'm more biased than anyone else.

Yes but you told me the same thing almost 4 years ago (right after helping me build my brand new PC- ps. I love you) and your voice was the deciding factor in my getting an XBOX over the PS2.  In retrospect, it was the right decision at the time...meaning I'm pretty much just padding at this point and have nothing to say.

I too would like to begin by pointing out that I have no point to make.  icon_biggrin
* Purge bows as the crowd chants his name
15172  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Quickly! Best 360 MP Racing Game? on: September 13, 2006, 07:36:22 PM
For me, PGR3 wore thin pretty quickly, but I'm not a big racing fan. MotoGP had my attention more.

Burnout Revenge is good. I hate the AI though. I'd say go for TDU: the demo was fun and if you're online a lot it's better than playing AI's (IMHO).
15173  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / F.U.R. : Enchanted Arms [360] on: September 13, 2006, 06:50:25 PM
I thought I'd try something new. We have written "first impressions" and we have full game reviews. This is a way for us to use something simple like a poll and some bullet points to highlight good and bad points on a game without investing a ton of space.

Here's the rules for this thread folks : This is my attempt at creating a quantifiable to describe the forum effect. Your votes are not locked in; if there is a big smelly turd in the Boston Creme donut you bought, you can change it(KoTOR2, I'z lookin atchoo). This means the numbers may fluctuate and actually create an overall "current" impression of a game without being just a simple review time-slice that sits unchallenged over the digital ages.

I WANT :
- people to vote if they have played the game to any significant time (2 hour minimum, please).
- people to make brief comments if they've voted and wanted to point out their good/bad points. (not mandatory)
- people to dispute those points in this thread if they want to.
- people to come back and change (for better or worse) their rating of the game if they see fit to do so.
- people who are looking to buy the game to be able to see this and help them decide
- to be able to come up with another line I can start with "People"  icon_lol

I DONT WANT :
- demo reviews; that's not final code. Unless the title specifies otherwise, retail product only.
- bogus reviews. If you haven't played it, don't vote.
- Fanboy review effects. Fanboys can vote if they meet criteria, but I don't want a hater* to skew results.
- this to turn into a help / spoiler thread.

*People are putting their cash down on these games; if you hate Sony/Nintendo/MS/DeveloperX/PublisherY, WTF does that have to do with the game?

For the reply to topics, I'd be looking for:

Quote from: Example in Purge's pathetic little mind
I gave PS3's Eruption at Pompeo it an 8, here's why:
+ Plays like a dream
+ Doesn't have shots of Chris Farley or Chris Rattan in it.
+ Has Ellen Pompeo's body in it.

- Controls aren't "Hands on"
- She's dressed
- Has Ellen Pompeo's face in it.
- Ellen has speaking roles
15174  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / IGN Interview : Mistwalker Game Details on: September 13, 2006, 06:29:12 PM
I figure I'd plagerize.
Quote from: SomeIGNSchmuck
Lost Odyessy Details Revealed
Sakaguchi speaks on his upcoming epic
by Andrew Alfonso
 September 13, 2006 - In this week's Famitsu magazine, Hironobu Sakaguchi conducted an interview with the magazine about Mistwalker's Lost Odyssey, which is scheduled for release sometime in 2007. In the interview, Sakaguchi reveals many interesting tidbits about the game and the demo, which will be playable at next week's Tokyo Game Show. To start off the interview, Sakaguchi revealed that in the end, the team decided that the game will be running at 30fps, which is no doubt a disappointment to a lot of 360 owners.



However, Sakaguchi did make mention that the models that are being used in rendered movies will look nearly the same as the real time models, so transitions between the two will be seamless for the most part. There are some interesting pieces of information about the system that's being used in the game. From Sakaguchi's explanation, it seems that when an enemy dies in battle, then the ones who haven't died yet will be able to extract their power and use it for themselves. In addition to that, Sakaguchi explains that the game has a hero that can never die, so there's no possibility of getting a 'Game Over' screen.

Mr. Sakaguchi also informed the magazine about what the other members of his team are doing concerning the game. Character designer Takahiro Inoue is checking all of the model renders, while Kiyoshi Shigematsu has been hard at work at finalizing all of the text in the game. In fact, the final text message that will be in the playable demo is written by Shigematsu himself. Speaking of demos, Sakaguchi also made mention of a playable demo that will be available along with Famitsu magazine, sometime in November. From the screenshots that Famitsu has in their interview, we can tell that Lost Odyssey is going to be a more traditional RPG than most people would initially think. One screenshot shows off your main character Gaim with his cohorts Sesu and Yansen in a Final Fantasy-esque battle, complete with menus. It seems that there isn't any special system being used in the game just yet, since all of the commands listed in the screenshot are very basic (Attack, Item, Magic, Run). However, Sakaguchi informed Famitsu in the interview that only the basic system will be available in the TGS demo, with anything special being left out.

To finish off the interview, Famitsu and Sakaguchi touched on Mistwalker's other games, such as Blue Dragon, Cry On (the Mistwalker and Cavia DS game) and Archaic Sealed Heat (A.S.H.). Sakaguchi promised that Blue Dragon will definitely be released within this year, while ASH is expected to see the light of day in the first half of next year. As for Cry On, Sakaguchi admitted that he doesn't know when the game will be released. For more information on all of Mistwalker's titles, keep an eye out for our coverage of the Tokyo Game Show.

Here's to hoping (on the bold text!)
15175  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are some good open-world RPG games? on: September 13, 2006, 06:17:34 PM

Quote from: Farscry on September 13, 2006, 05:51:13 PM

Quote from: Purge on September 13, 2006, 05:39:31 PM

Go with Enchanted Arms for that then. RPGs on the 360 are not plentiful, but these two are very engaging, or so I am told. (I had been too distracted with DW5:E and N3 to sink too much time into EA or Oblivion .... although I do own both.

but I'd go with recommendations of games people have actually played first. icon_biggrin You know I know you're cool, so hopefully you don't take offense! icon_smile He mentioned the PS2 along with the 360, and listed several regular X-Box games as well, so I don't think he's limiting himself to just the 360.

[edit]Oh, and Corrupt?  If you haven't yet, give Dynasty Warriors 5 Empires a shot.  It's a great game, both Purge and I love it!

I'm actually done with my copy I think. biggrin 900+ achievements... I'm only missing one battle and less than 5 warriors. I've unlocked a LOT of 4th level weapons, and if I could co-op or versus this game over Live it would NEVER leave my library. Hell, splitscreen would have been fine (where 2nd player could actually play a different force). Then it would be chinese Risk on 'roids!! Unfortunately not though. frown
 

As to Oblivion, I *have* played it, and I played the f-bomb outta morrowind. This time around it was on PC that I've spent more time is all. biggrin As to EA, the forum effect is sucking people in and they're loving it and all it's golem-y goodness. Tis why I mention it.
15176  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] Sony's Online Plan... Revealed! on: September 13, 2006, 06:11:52 PM
I think it has less to do with hardware, and more to do with the entire infrastructure. Even though the 360 has it's X logo button, when you go into a BC game it disconnects you and reconnects you via the net code ingame.

Maybe Kathode could answer this better. XBMC is a hacked app and as such is unconcerned  about compromising the security of the console (whereas the Live service is protected at the console level, IIRC). MS wouldn't just drop XBOX1 XP OS on a DVD and distribute it to the masses; reverse engineering would likely be a concern.

In short, I don't know. I *DO* know that I am quite capable of grasping at straws and taking shots in the dark though. biggrin
15177  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: New 9/11 Footage on: September 13, 2006, 06:01:02 PM
considering the woman says it was a military plane on the footage released..  saywhat
15178  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: XBox vs PS2 on: September 13, 2006, 05:49:25 PM

Quote from: -Lord Ebonstone- on September 13, 2006, 03:06:43 AM

PS2.  There's really no point in getting an original XBox, plus the PS2's library blows the XBox's away in terms of sheer quantity.

Fixed that for ya.  :slywink: Most sports/driving games are cross-platform; PS2 is on the losing end of most quality comparisons (with exception to HotPursuit2 , EA bombed that on purpose IMHO..).

Xbox1 has it's fair share of hack-n-slash, and if there is a PS2 version it's generally worse visually, audibly and performance-wise. Games that load in 3-7 seconds on the 'box could take you 30seconds or more on the PS2.
15179  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: XBox vs PS2 on: September 13, 2006, 05:43:48 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on September 12, 2006, 07:52:09 PM

I haven't played Sudeki, but I wouldn't call Jade Empire (nor the KOTORs) hack and slash. 

Jade Empire is, and depending on how you configure the KoTORs, they can be.
15180  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are some good open-world RPG games? on: September 13, 2006, 05:39:31 PM

Quote from: Farscry on September 13, 2006, 03:52:19 PM

Quote from: Purge
saywhat you. haven't. heard. of. Oblivion?  eek
Play it. headbang3
Quote from: Corruptrelic
recruit NPC allies to join up with you

Nope, Oblivion won't meet what Corrupt's looking for.  icon_wink  He's actually asked about Oblivion in the past and was really turned off by the lack of party members.  While that may not be much of an issue for you or me, it's a real killjoy for him, so party-based games are a better recommendation for what he's looking for in this thread.  icon_smile

I'd second the Dragon Quest 8 recommendations, since I absolutely LOVE that game, but I don't really know if it'll hit Corruptrelic's tastes.  Perhaps a rental is in order?

since it was the point right before the "etc" I didn't think that was the main issue. Go with Enchanted Arms for that then. RPGs on the 360 are not plentiful, but these two are very engaging, or so I am told. (I had been too distracted with DW5:E and N3 to sink too much time into EA or Oblivion .... although I do own both.
15181  Non-Gaming / Steals and Deals / Re: Compusa 360 Perfect Dark Zero CE 19.99 on: September 13, 2006, 05:35:41 PM
it's a good deal, and a fun game. It has frustrating times in it, but all in all it is a solid B+ title.
15182  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Rocket to the Sun - These Actors Need to go on: September 13, 2006, 05:29:35 PM
I'm sure the world wouldn't mind seeing the devil board that flight. slywink
15183  Gaming / Multiplayer Madness (MMO or otherwise) / LTTP - [360] Chromehounds .... you guys still playing? on: September 13, 2006, 04:48:37 PM
I is slow on the uptake  ( I R retard ) and didn't pick this one up sooner.

Does any clan need a half-assed GT'er on it? (No seriously, one of my cheeks was blown off in 'nam). slywink
15184  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: lego star wars II impressions on: September 13, 2006, 04:40:49 PM

Quote from: corruptrelic on September 13, 2006, 04:52:38 AM

I picked up the PS2 version today.. feels a lot like the first game, but just as with that game, is it just me or does your AI partner not do a THING to help you out in battle?
All he does is follow me around doing absolutely nothing combat-wise, just like the first lego star wars.
WTF?!

stop picking c-3p0 as your partner.
15185  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: What are some good open-world RPG games? on: September 13, 2006, 03:18:58 PM
 saywhat you. haven't. heard. of. Oblivion?  eek
Play it. headbang3
15186  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: "You have already made a post." on: September 13, 2006, 03:16:11 PM
I never get this. not once.
15187  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Skin Forum? on: September 13, 2006, 03:11:05 PM

Quote from: warning on September 12, 2006, 03:41:50 AM

I'll repost my response from the moderator's forum (which you guys can't see cuz you ain't cool like me  HAH!):

The current system leads to a couple of problems for me:

1) It's hard to moderate based on the CoC. [...]
2) I can't moderate it (or even look at it) at work and usually not at home either [...]
3) It kinda creates a locker room mentality [...]

Moving it to its own section as a kind of "free for all" zone is appealing to me.

I think you should re-read Warning's post; you got it exactly backwards in your summary.

oh, and hehe. You said CoC. heh.
15188  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: Capcom decides they don't like SDTVs [Response from Capcom] on: September 13, 2006, 03:00:30 PM

Quote from: ATB on September 13, 2006, 02:51:05 PM

Dude! The 360 has killed all previous generations of games and hardware! It only makes sense that it has now killed all previous generations of television sets.!  J. Allard you magnifient bastard!  ninja

 stirthepot, whydon'tcha?
15189  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] Sony's Online Plan... Revealed! on: September 13, 2006, 02:55:40 PM

Quote from: Kevin Grey on September 13, 2006, 02:18:56 PM

Quote from: Jancelot on September 13, 2006, 02:16:35 PM

MS had a good amount of time to iron out the foundation for Live with the original X-Box before launching the 360's version. 

Plus, Live didn't ship until a year after Xbox had been on the market.  Still, I'm not sure that Sony can really afford that kind of delay in implementing their network. 

Live on Xbox1 wasn't integrated right from the get-go, which is why the 360 service stands head-and-shoulders above it. If Sony is building this peacemeal or planning addons later, they may find that their limitation is due to what they shipped out the door on day 1.
15190  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: [PS3] Sony's Online Plan... Revealed! on: September 13, 2006, 02:53:25 PM

Quote from: Arkon on September 12, 2006, 07:21:18 PM

Quote from: metallicorphan on September 12, 2006, 07:12:20 PM

i downloaded xfire once for COD ,and all i got were bugs crybaby

Agreed, I used xfire for about a week and had nothing but problems with it.  Not that that is an indication of what the PS3 implementation will be like, but then who knows.  Until the system actually comes out and has a few million people online at a time for us to really see the abilities it is too soon to pass judgement.  That said, I don't have very high hopes for it.

a few million? you mean only 500k. Tongue
15191  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Rocket to the Sun - These Actors Need to go on: September 13, 2006, 02:18:42 PM
Robin Williams has earned his way off this flight.

RV (2006) .... Bob Munro
Robots (2005) (voice) .... Fender
One Hour Photo (2002) .... Sy Parrish
What Dreams May Come (1998) .... Chris Nielsen
Good Will Hunting (1997) .... Sean Maguire
The Birdcage (1996) .... Armand Goldman
Jumanji (1995) .... Alan Parrish
Aladdin (1992) (voice) .... Genie
FernGully: The Last Rainforest (1992) (voice) .... Batty Koda
Hook (1991) .... Peter Banning
The Fisher King (1991) .... Parry
Cadillac Man (1990) .... Joey O'Brien
Dead Poets Society (1989) .... John Keating
The Adventures of Baron Munchausen (1988) (as Ray D. Tutto) .... King of the Moon
Good Morning, Vietnam (1987) .... A1C Adrian Cronauer
The Survivors (1983) .... Donald Quinelle

I was surprised that RV was actually a GOOD movie. Not GREAT, but entertaining none-the-less.

Tim Robbins ain't on that flight either.

Julia Roberts is a borderline candidate, as is Michelle Pfeiffer. Jack Black might be on the list too, weren't it for High Fidelity.
15192  Non-Gaming / Trading Forum / Re: For Sale: iPod Nano 1GB Black, with box, headphones, manual, and all cables on: September 13, 2006, 01:58:09 PM
rescinded; friend of mine *was* looking for one but backed out. frown sorry bud.
15193  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: New 9/11 Footage on: September 13, 2006, 01:55:33 PM
I have it saved if Mister Knightshade wanted to host it.
15194  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: What's a fair price to offer my friend for this iPod? on: September 13, 2006, 01:24:26 PM

Quote from: Darkstar One on September 13, 2006, 12:51:54 PM

Ok--my friend's asking for $220.  It's decision time.

Do I grab his, or do I spend the $380 (with tax) and grab one of the new 80GB models?

Do it.  thumbsup
15195  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: New 9/11 Footage on: September 13, 2006, 01:23:21 PM
Odd places where it cuts out... it's like they've edited some of the milestone events out.
15196  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: Book recommendations? on: September 13, 2006, 12:49:20 PM
I'd recommend The Necroscope.
15197  Non-Gaming / Forum and Site Feedback / Re: Skin Forum? on: September 13, 2006, 12:02:31 PM
 eek We have SKIN threads???   drool WHERE?!!

As I understand it, video games promote violence. Skin threads promote degredation of the human soul (or so says puritan ideals).

Welcome to Sin City folks! Step right up!!
15198  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The 360 Killed the previous Generation on: September 13, 2006, 11:07:34 AM

Quote from: ATB on September 13, 2006, 10:46:02 AM

Your last sentence is the one I'll focus on.  Purge makes many good points, obviously, and mentions multi-platform games as well to good effect.  However-
It seems that we're missing a key factor here: does the 360 prevent you from wanting to play great games on different systems?
[...]
Why are so many people chomping at the bit to get the virtual arcade on the Wii if previous gens are no longer playable?  Are any of you 360 owners even interested in the Wii? It's not exactly 'next gen' on the graphics front.

What about other classic games? There are no game points in those! You mean to tell me you'll never go back to play any of the Zeldas, Marios, Fallouts, Jagged Alliances, Warcrafts, Starcrafts, Mike Tyson Punchouts, Kid Icaruses, etc because of the 360? 

So the 360 has basically shut the door on every game ever made prior to the 360s release?  I find that claim very hard to believe.


You are right. There is nothing on the 360 that makes me NOT want to play older games. But I have played those games, and generally once you've played them, you'll reminisce, you'll miss em, but you don't power them up over the new game you just bought. You ARE in the honeymoon stage if you have a backlog of AAA titles that have been out for years... you haven't moved passed them yet, and to you they are still NEW. To others who have played them, they have reaped the benefit of their collective gaming experience.

When "new" PS2 games come out, they are being compared to the new technology, and it's a yardstick that they fall short of. Like I said with multiplatform, they are going to be 360 games (or PS3 games whenever that comes out). A or B titles on PS2 are going to (IMHO) fall to the wayside for a lot of 360/ps2 owners for the A and B titles on the 360. The PS2 AAA titles will still be budgeted in though; that is completely normal.

Wii is new, just as the 360 is. Wii are curious as to gameplay. I couldn't give a rats-ass about legacy gaming; I want to see what wii can do with the wiimote.

As it stands, I don't go out and get that many older games. It doesn't shut the door; it just shows how closed it already is.
15199  Non-Gaming / Off-Topic / Re: What's a fair price to offer my friend for this iPod? on: September 12, 2006, 07:39:26 PM
I'd take it for 250; depending on how good the friend is.

Personally, I'd check out www.ebay.com first and do some searching on completed sales of that model including shipping.
15200  Gaming / Console / PC Gaming / Re: The 360 Killed the previous Generation on: September 12, 2006, 03:10:54 PM

Quote from: ATB on September 12, 2006, 01:02:12 PM

Quote from: Purge on September 12, 2006, 02:51:44 AM

saywhat 1st gen Ps2 games were not even CLOSE to the quality that the 360 games are.
Irrelevant.  The point of the thread is that the PS2 Generation is 'dead' because of the shiny new graphics charged 360.  I countered saying that the releases for the PS2 in the next six months are at least is strong if not stronger than that of the 360. 

I disagree with the "irrelevant" comment; perhaps I didn't illustrate as clearly as I needed to. PS2 games have had 4+ years in development on "familiar" equipment. All the games coming out on the 360 are still "rookie" status. They may not have the polish that the PS2 games have, but they are also accountable to stand 'head-and-shoulders above'. Games for 360 aren't just "games" and compared as such; they are held against the 'next gen' expectation that each of us carries. As it stands, the PS2 with it's market share isn't going anywhere with the gamer that has the ps2 and no 360. For you to really be in this discussion, you would need an older console and the 360 to truly 'get' what the thread is speaking to. (that's not to say that you don't, but the majority of PS2 owners do NOT fall into this category).

As to the releases on the PS2, there is no question that they NEED to be as strong as the 360. There IS no PS3 for most gamers this year. With the context of this thread in mind, does this have the 360/ps2/xbox1/gc users chomping at the bit more for the next legacy console game, or the next blockbuster 360 game? That, my friend, is an apples-to-apples comparison. As one of those people, I'm pretty stoked for the next 360 release. Hell, I don't even look at xbox1 games anymore, even IF they were on the BC list. They'd have to be outstanding games to "step back in time".

Quote from: ATB on September 12, 2006, 01:02:12 PM

Quote from: Purge on September 12, 2006, 02:51:44 AM

The cross-platform games delivered to the PS2 are generally cut down. For instance, some of the Tom Clancy titles (R6 IIRC) couldn't have working doors with the size of it.
Again, irrelevent. Sure the technical capability of the PS2 and even the XBOX is well behind the 360, but I see lots of classic cars still on the road and they're no less marvelous because of the technology incorporated into modern ones.  And they're not 'OMG DEAD. KILLT!' 
Here's the relevance: with users who have both systems and are standing in EB Games looking at multi-platform releases, where do their gaming dollars go? Most, if not all pf the sports games being released multiplatform right now. You tell me how that ISN'T relevant. Custom soundtracks, online ranking, matchmaking and the fluidity of the Live integration blows away the older systems. THEN theres the Dolby Digital and the graphics. There is no percieved loss-of-depth to games developed for 360 over the ps2, xbox, gc releases. If there was, those games would get panned by the 360 users unless it was a must-have title (MGS2 for Xbox1 springs to mind with inexplicable slowdowns during rain scenes).

Quote from: ATB on September 12, 2006, 01:02:12 PM

Quote from: Purge on September 12, 2006, 02:51:44 AM

So in terms of quality, the PS2 is lagging behind the xbox1, which is behind the 360.
Quality of processor? Quality of workmanship? Quality of Games? No, just technologically.  I've not read nor heard about any game on the 360 comparing to any of the blockbuster classics on the PS2.  Not even a whisper. Sure 360 is in it's first year so there's no chance of that happening though progress will hopefully be made with some of the larger releases due within the next six months.  This fact should also preclude hyperbolic statements like the previous gen being dead from being made also.
Oblivion. Right there is an AAA title that blows away any western RPG on the PS2. Can you name another? The 360 hasn't been out for a year. What exclusive PS2 FPS touches GRAW or even Perfect Dark Zero (which is a flawed game, make no mistake) SOCOM/2? Please.

DOA4 is just as good as any PS2 fighting game. People have their favorites, and maybe you're a Soul Caliber fan or a Tekken fan (I don't like any of them) but that doesn't take away from the quality of the game itself. Just because there have been B titles released for the 360 doesn't mean they all are. Hell, if you were to look at the volume of games on the PS2 and were to average them all out (or even take the MEAN value to scoring) you'd find the games overall are likely no better or worse.

I recognize that due to the volume of games on the PS2 that there are unique games that can't be found anywhere else. Ico, God of War, Shadow of the Colossus, Kingdom Hearts, etc. That is to their benefit. Also, the "classics" you mention may fall into genres which have traditionally not been strong on the MS platforms. Think of this comment not just in a PS2 sense, but also to GC and Xbox1. Those genres (JRPGs, platformers and japanese quirk games, for the most part) and the lack of their prominence in the 360 portfolio are consistant with the prev. gen.

WARNING: the next comment rests on two IF statements... please bear with me. If those games were NOT Sony exclusives and made it onto the xbox1, and if the BC list included them for the 360, would you play them on the PS2? The point of this question is to bring to light the fact that you don't CARE about the hardware, just the titles. The exclusive titles are what you want, and most of them aren't even SONY titles. They're 3rd party who have signed on exclusively with Sony due to kickbacks, development costs or brand/national loyalty. The IF's are likely to happen in this next generation rather than the last. I don't expect a pancake flipping here, but a gradual adoption as Japanese developers want more foreign dollars, and publishers wanting to take advantage of larger target audiences (look at GTA4 as an example).

Quote from: ATB on September 12, 2006, 01:02:12 PM

Quote from: Purge on September 12, 2006, 02:51:44 AM

There is a fluidity in the 360 implementation. The Live integration, achievement points and the marketplace all have wormed their way into the hearts of gamers. Having demos available for free (silver requires no cost) means that ANY 360 owner can reap the benefits of online gameplay.

And that's fine.  I definitely applaud MS' implementation of the online features for the 360. No doubt it's brilliant (with some flaws to still be worked out). However, there are still far more SP gamers than MP gamers (and don't ask me for a source cause I don't have one- I think it's indisputable though).  I would bet this is even true of those with a 360. 

As to the SP vs. MP question, most achievements are based on SP games. I'd state that I play 85% SP gaming. There is less than 50% of the MS footprint that is "online". I think the Silver/Gold adoption rate (that being how many owners have either or) is in the 40-45% range. I don't recall where I saw that; it may have been Major Nelson's site. I think the 360 and its online capabilities naturally draw the broadband users more as it lets them truly use their internet connection.

The comment made in this thread is from one 360 owner who has stated that his PS2 is going unplayed due to the 360. I agree with that statement; I haven't played many xbox1 games since the 360 (including Halo/2, crimson skies, phantom dust, strangers wrath etc...). I sold my GC (kept the games so I can play them on a Wii eventually). It's not because I advocate visuals above all (although I do enjoy the graffix, make no mistake), but the immersion factor is unmistakably there. Not just for me, but for my friends too. I can tell you this with certainty; every night I see at least 12 of them online at any given time. smile
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